I’d immediately flock to this if they ever decided to adapt this plot into an alternate universe comic series. I don’t usually enjoy people attempting to make Star Trek dark, but the protagonists reflecting post-conflict ideals by pure human curiosity in a world that’s moved passed it is something inspiring. They clearly placed a lot of thought into this.
I'm afraid if it were to be made today they would want to simplify it, and get rid of what would make this a very unique series. Of course I would love to see this come to life, but maybe a comic book series would be better for this kind of high concept scifi. The further away from the studios the better.
It's interesting that the warp disaster idea (for a different reason) was revisited in Discovery when they went to "the future" and the Federation has been reduced in stature.
I think they got the idea from this pitch (but they did it far more stupidly) and also from the Star Trek: Federation pitch which was to be set in the year 3000.
Eh, the galaxy is still modern enough that wouldnt make as much sense, something from the first cardasdian border conflict era or maybe an excelcior would make more sense.
Yeah we can talk about how Discovery basically recycled this idea of a Federation being a shell of its former self because warp travel became near impossible. But we also have an alien crew member that is in a robotic suit named Zero. We see this in Star Trek Prodigy. William Preston looks like concept art for what would become Shax from Lower Decks.
Yeah it's pretty clear the core premise of this show (Federation in the future unable to use warp travel, isolated, mystery over who caused it) was reused for Star Trek Discovery Season 3.
This looks so good. I love how it seems to fit into the structure of episodic, but with longer plot and character arcs, that we see from BNW and Orville.
Yes I think that Star Trek final frontier would have worked. In fact some of it’s ideas did show up in Star Trek discovery such as the federation becoming isolationist. But final frontier came up with even more ideas than that and these would have been interesting to see.
Wow. What an awful missed opportunity. Would love to see this in any form. I also feel like with some changes it could be made consistent with Discovery. In fact, there does seem to be some similarities. I wonder if the writers of Discovery borrowed some ideas from Final Frontier.
I remember hearing about this at the time. Sadly it was only one of several Star Trek projects that were being batted around back then. Ultimately however it was the then higher ups in CBS that weren't interested in carrying on the legacy. While there was some confusion with the rights it was more a case of whoever wanted the rights could have them. To CBS in the early 2000's Star Trek was done. It was an expensive program that was not pulling in the viewers anymore. Cheeper and more popular reality shows were more viable, easier to throw together on a shoestring and didn't require writers. There was also the outdated perspective that Sci-Fi was for kids and stoned Teenagers. All this put together lead the executives (who openly didn't understand Science fiction in the first place) to seeing it as a financial black hole. I feel that was a real shame, Final Frontier had some real potential and as you pointed out took a necessary step forward while current Trek is obsessed with looking to it's past. The really interesting thing you missed was how Final Frontier actually echoed Roddenberry's ideas. He was on record as saying for every two steps forward in society we then take one step back. This is a perspective that was very popular at the time, looking at the rise and fall of great civilisations and empires. A society rises to its epoch before it then collapses, only for a new society to rise from the rubble and move forward. Developing further than it's predecessor. With this in mind the Federation was/is destined to fall eventually. Leading to a Galactic Dark Age before the next great alliance comes. Roddenberry went as far as to spec this idea out in a series outline that eventually became "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda"
I don't know why, buy just never clicked with Andromeda. I found series. Earth Final Conflict for more interesting, as Roddenberry's wife co-produced and starred in that series.
@@paulhunter6742 Andromeda was heavily influenced by Asimov’s Foundation work… sadly behind the scenes it became a power struggle between Robert Hewlett Wolfe who adapted Roddenberry’s original notes and Kevin Sorbro, who effectively wanted Hercules in Space. Sorbro won
What i love about Star Trek is how rich the lore is. The possibilities are endless. They could make so many different animated series and movies exploring different stories and backgrounds, that would be complicated doing in live-action.
I was trepidatious about the idea of the federation sinking so low, but I'm on board now that I understand their reasoning (or, would have been on board at the time I guess). I do wish new shows would push further into the future instead of just dabbling in the past or slowly continuing on from TNG.
I would've really liked this. A 2D, traditional animation series made for an adult audience that can also be enjoyed by the younger crowd, showing the galaxy and the Federation in a bad place that's trying to get better. Why can't we have this?
I liked every iteration of the hammerhead design and don't think any of them are ugly. I would really have liked to see this become another Trek series. The characters seem well thought out, the animation of the early 2000's, like Samurai Jack and Avatar the Last Airbender was beautiful and the premise seems like a good idea. Much better than an angsty teenager destroying every working starship!
Would be nice if over the course of the show the ship gets minor refits were it gains more parts inspired by previous hero ships. Say a Galaxy inspired saucer, Sovereign hull material and Nacelles inspired by Ambassador class.
I really like this idea. I'd love it more if it was a pre-planned multi-movie series. I love aliens that can't possibly be a human in a costume. The four armed alien looked awesome! Love the idea that the federation has completely fallen apart and the by the end of the multi-movies saga is them restoring the federation back to it's "garden of eden" state but now stronger and wiser.
I forgot all about this series. I downloaded a lot of these concept pics (which I still have) when they released them. This looked epic. Instead, we have whatever is passing for Star Trek since 2008. Thanks for the making the video,
That means “the burn” ( Discovery series) and “ the Omega attacks ” were elements of an multiverse based anomaly effect, because in both cases ( ironically) all warp travel was disabled and some ships destroyed in that event , hmm I wonder how strange it is that two different Dimensions lost all their Warp travel capabilities in these Star Trek scenarios?!? I wonder indeed?!?!?
This show looks cool, and even with the new canon future of startrek i think you could make it work. If you slot this in near the begining of ‘the Burn’ then not only do you get the wartime distopian era, but you also get the timejump needed and a lot of wiggle room!
I would love to see a CGI Clone Wars style animated Star Trek show. You could do more seasons of TNG, Enterprise and explore other ships/crews and because of the CGI more non-humanoid alien species.
I was thinking the same thing, only about ST: PICARD! It very much feels like the xenophobic Federation of Admiral "STFU!" Clancy. In fact, Amn Magnuson would be a perfect fit as a recurring antagonist on that show. I suppose we should count ourselves as lucky, given what a hash Hack Fraud Alex Kurtzman would have made of this premise.
@@drdarkeny I didn't think Clancy was Xenophobic? She was just done with Picard. Outside the whole synth situation she acted like you'd expect any other admiral to act as far as I remember.
I'm about two/thirds through this presentation and have learned already about elements Final Frontier ended up contributing to Prodigy, Discovery, and probably Picard as well. I'd have loved to watch it. 🖖
I would have loved too watch this, then buy it on dvd. I would have bought the comic series if would have happened instead. It’s sad that we have been thus far denied this series in any form. Hopefully one day we can. 🤞🏼🖖🏼🙏🏼
It's interesting if they recognized the saucer design as "friendly". Probably one of the reasons it's so beloved. Don't see the hammerhead as an improvement.
isn't that the point? the hammerhead is supposed to make it more of an aggressive warship instead of an exploration vessel, more in line with something like star destroyers from star wars than the usual curved shapes.
I can see as either a refit or an adhoc upgrade the Enterprise salvages a Galaxy class saucer and deflector array and gains a more old-school TNG styling as a result. maybe even with the rechristening gains the NCC registry and an official letter designation.
Yes I think that Star Trek final frontier would have worked In fact some of its ideas have shown up in Star Trek discovery such as the federation becoming isolationist, But final frontier came up with even more ideas than that and I think that these would have been interesting to see.
Holy... How I have never heard of this?! It is *remarkably* similar to the Trek idea kicking around in my head the past few years. Mine takes place a couple centuries later, but it otherwise fits *very* comfortably within this concept. Dang...
Really cool concept. I actually followed news of this show back in the day. Although the designs are remarkable mid-2000s-anime-Clone and I probably wouldn’t have liked the visual discontinuity back then, I actually enjoy them now. There are actually lots of abandoned Star Trek projects that have some cool ideas. Like Rick Berman‘s Star Trek XI Movie which would have focused on The romulan war and followed Tiberius Chase, an ancestor of Jim Kirk.
Final Frontier would have been a great show. Wonderful story idea's and a very cool animation look. The dark, bleak feel of that 26th century would have been a good fit in today's 2020's TV. I absolutely do think it would work at this time and would even go so far as saying it would make a fantastic live action show. A lot more fun than some of the Star Trek we've been getting in recent years and several magnitudes better than the JJ Abrams version of Trek. As albizu75 correctly stated a few posts down, what an awful missed opportunity. As animation or live action someone please make this show!
This is news to me, and I think I would have enjoyed this show. The fact that I had never heard of it before, being a major fan for all of my over 40 year life, is rather a surprise. A nice one, though. Nice work!
I was down with this series from the jump. This was the most I had heard about plot concepts though. Thanks for sharing. But with the decent reception to Lower Decks this probably cannot be resurrected. Here's hoping this can somehow see the light of day in some form of media or another hopefully with the original creative team in place.
It kind of was made. Much like how trek history has gone in the past they clearly reused concepts of this in other series. Namely S03 and S04 of STD and S01 of Prodigy. An issue I have with the concept is that the name enterprise had fallen out of importance. Sorry but >200 years would not possibly diminish the importance of a ship that had been the federation flag ship multiple times and been central to saving the federation repeatedly. History will never forget the name Enterprise. Now I could see the concept of a version of Enterprise being worn down and kept in service due to the failing state of the federation. That would be an interesting take. I also like the shift to the hammerhead archetype. There is only so much you can do with the formula of Saucer+Secondary Hull + Nacelles. So the shapes would eventually need to evolve.
It sounds like an interesting concept. The short, Clone Wars style episodes, seems like the weak point to me. What I do see in it are a lot of ideas which are now being explored in Star Trek Discovery, a future, much reduced Federation that has abandoned exploration and become insular in a universe where warp drive is quite limited? That's season 3 of Discovery.
@@Zeithri I'm certainly not defending Discovery. This animated project looks like it had a lot more promise. I don't hate Discovery, but it definitely has a lot of problems. I think each season has gotten progressively better, the first being almost irredeemable.
They've got some solid ideas here I would have liked to see more of this. The disruption of warp travel and collapse of the federation sounds familiar to what discovery would do years later. Look at the federation in Picard 1-3. People say how Star Trek needs to restart the cycle but on the other hand even in the original series and the next generation the federation is just blind optimism and hope. The problem is it can't realistically exist... There's no such thing as a perfect society.
For a series of action-oriented shorts, a darker Star Trek is a must. Any good story needs some form of conflict, and while it not need be grim-dark conflict, even with full hour episodes, it's tough to get a more cerebral optimistic exploration of the human condition type of conflict done well. It sounds like it wasn't that the team behind Final Frontier wanted to do grim-dark Star Trek, but that they wanted to do Star Trek and that within the time and budget constraints they expected to be under, it would need to be grimmer than Star Trek usually had been.
I'm not really a Trekkie, but I'd watch the hell out of that. I liked TOS, and about 2/3 of Enterprise, but never really cared for TNG, Voyager, or DS9, and I pretty much despise Discovery (watched up till they jumped to the future before giving up completely). I think the Orville did a better job of capturing the old Trek feels than Discovery did, ffs. But this? I'd watch the hell out of it!
Final Frontier sounds like it would have been a fine addition to the Star Trek canon. Hell, its backstory and present story sound like they could have been really good live action series but an animated one would have been very very cool too. Sounds way better than Lower Decks or Prodigy anyway
This sounds awesome, and they pried parts of this out like a vulture in order to satisfy the guts of Discovery. I'D RATHER HAVE HAD THIS SHOW! Gonna have to dwell into researching this that's for sure... Great video!
I hope someone cut those guys a check: a federation that turned it's back on it's roots, and core members gone, and warp drive is a thing of the past? Sounds like Discovery's 32nd century. Mr Zero seems to have inspired Zero on Prodigy. I would have loved this show, but then I tend to love just about anything Trek, even the stuff that isn't the best (looking at you, 2nd season Picard.)
Now... I LOVE the art work for this lost series! Wow! it looks incredible! I really have a hard time with "Lower Decks"; can't stand the animation and the caffeinated chipmunk delivery of the dialog.
Omega would have made so much more sense with that similar Discovery season. And also it would be good to indeed move ahead instead of regurgitating picard and spock and pike and the rest.
Whether you agree or not, star trek uses elements of unused ideas. Discovery.... This project. Even similarities between DS9 and B5 which was as JMS tells a rejected star trek project. I always thought Alexander chase could had been an ancestor of Tiberius Chase from the unused Star Trek the Beginning film which was being developed around this time
Sounds like kurtsman trek only slightly better. Love the animation style it reminds me of the dcs animated style. How did the federation get warp drive back then? Pity thus never got made it sounds more interesting then kurzman crap.
The concept of a failed federation was done in the tv show Andromeda Ascendent. It’s obvious that bits and pieces of this survived and made it to Star Trek Discovery. The shame is that the ideas were better fleshed out in the failed animated series. What is painfully obvious is that CBS rather than try to build fresh simply gave an un tested creative team a failed project ant told then to use this as the foundation for the new series.
Hmm interesting concept and it's obvious that some of the plot details were recycled in later shows. I love the idea of aliens taking refuge on a derelict galaxy class ship.
I'm a little disappointed that the protocol officer was evidently a one-shot. I think having a 'political officer' on board like the Soviets used to have to keep everyone in line would be very interesting.
I remember this pitch decades ago. It never would have been greenlit from the planning stages. It was too much like Star Wars. Ironically, parts of it would be coincidentally used in Star Trek Discovery season 3 (but decades later). After the fan submissions contest of 1993-1999, they did not accept any pitches from fans, and have not since. Parts of this pitch appeared also on TrekWeb of which I was on said website. I was not involved in these stories though. Although Gene Roddenberry's original mandate was 'your crew cannot have conflict' and 'the conflict comes from where they visit, such as an alien planet, but the Federation has evolved beyond conflict' is a little hippy, but some of this made sense at the time, in the 60s and through the first 5 years of TNG. Gene did not care for the premise of DS9 before his death. He didn't even like the early print of The Undiscovered Country. He passed before it came to theaters. I was in the writing contest. It was a great learning experience, even after rejection letters, but encouraged me to keep writing science fiction as I had a command of the characters. Did a Deep Space Nine and a Voyager spec script. I did not have a Mary Sue in my stories. That they liked. Make your story about the characters, not about the insert yourself character. The story premise here did later become a web comic. It might still be online somewhere. Cheers.
It reminds me of Andromeda, only where Andromeda sucked, this sounds like it wouldn't have sucked. I wonder if the current setting of Discovery might have borrowed some of its future-federation setup might have come from this.
The concept sound interesting but with it being 150 years after Voyager and the huge tonel shift (lost the ability to warp and the ships were to defend borders than to seek new life) would of wreck future shows that want to be set in the far future after Picard. Granted had this show been made, it could of been written off as an alternative universe should show set in the far future had a more peaceful setting to FF!
As an original concept this might have been really good and they should really consider taking the idea in that direction. This feels nothing like Star Trek (if not outright anti-Trek) and I would have hated it trying to be Star Trek, but as an original property this totally could have worked.
More like 1.5 seasons. Taken as a whole, it feels more like one season... and D.C. Fontana made it clear that it covers the fourth year of the 5yr mission.
This certainly worked a whole lot better than discovery storyline on how warp drive was incapable Not that it wasn't interesting this just felt much better even if there is an alien that could absorb war power and destroy it I think this story could still be used be it 150 years from now or the 23rd to 25th century
King Kong, which was made famous as a 1930’s film, is the story of a white, very white...extremely white and Aryan the way Ann Coulter wishes she was Aryan...woman who some how ends up on a tropical, very tropical, WILD and untamed island populated by…NATIVES! Yep, natives who become entranced with this Aryan representation of civilized female beauty even though they have never set eyes on a white woman. Depending on the version, they either have always worshiped white women or simply begin to worship them once they set eyes on the blond bombshell that plops down on their island.
Visually awesome, great storylines and characters. However, I'm more on the Star Trek is for exploring team. We get wars (even in the previous and current ST series) in so many shows. Let's seek out strange new worlds, etc, etc. The galaxy is massive. Making everything about neighboring alien wars is boring and lacks the Star Trek spirit imo. Still sounds fun though.
I’d immediately flock to this if they ever decided to adapt this plot into an alternate universe comic series. I don’t usually enjoy people attempting to make Star Trek dark, but the protagonists reflecting post-conflict ideals by pure human curiosity in a world that’s moved passed it is something inspiring. They clearly placed a lot of thought into this.
Q snaps their fingers. Multiverse! 🤣
I'm afraid if it were to be made today they would want to simplify it, and get rid of what would make this a very unique series. Of course I would love to see this come to life, but maybe a comic book series would be better for this kind of high concept scifi. The further away from the studios the better.
It's interesting that the warp disaster idea (for a different reason) was revisited in Discovery when they went to "the future" and the Federation has been reduced in stature.
I think they got the idea from this pitch (but they did it far more stupidly) and also from the Star Trek: Federation pitch which was to be set in the year 3000.
I'd watch that. I'd absolutely love to see an old, busted up derelict Galaxy class used similarly in a current or future show!
Eh, the galaxy is still modern enough that wouldnt make as much sense, something from the first cardasdian border conflict era or maybe an excelcior would make more sense.
Galaxy class the B52 of Starfleet.
@@danielboatright8887 yeah but the Venture was lost so it's a nice callback.
Yeah we can talk about how Discovery basically recycled this idea of a Federation being a shell of its former self because warp travel became near impossible. But we also have an alien crew member that is in a robotic suit named Zero. We see this in Star Trek Prodigy. William Preston looks like concept art for what would become Shax from Lower Decks.
and how about the sentient species bred as food for another species? Thats the Kelpiens / Ba'Ul right there
Omega destroying subspace would have worked better than the stupid "burn"
@@michaelpickard8779 the burn rules
@@michaelpickard8779 while it was -fine- I am also really curious why they didn't go that route
well the Robosuit alien in Prodigy is a Medusan. that has not been seen since TOS.
Interesting, I see bits and pieces of this were worked into several future Star Trek serieses. Would be fun if this was resurrected with some tweaks.
Maybe as it's own events. I would love the ships as what if ones in STO.
prodigy a bit, fucking disco too.
Yeah it's pretty clear the core premise of this show (Federation in the future unable to use warp travel, isolated, mystery over who caused it) was reused for Star Trek Discovery Season 3.
Serieses? Is that actually one of our wordses?
@@kenlieck7756 Yesses
It would be fun for STO to bring this back as an alternate timeline events to play in.
This looks so good. I love how it seems to fit into the structure of episodic, but with longer plot and character arcs, that we see from BNW and Orville.
Yes I think that Star Trek final frontier would have worked. In fact some of it’s ideas did show up in Star Trek discovery such as the federation becoming isolationist. But final frontier came up with even more ideas than that and these would have been interesting to see.
Wow. What an awful missed opportunity. Would love to see this in any form. I also feel like with some changes it could be made consistent with Discovery. In fact, there does seem to be some similarities. I wonder if the writers of Discovery borrowed some ideas from Final Frontier.
Better yet, decanonize Discovery and replace it with this.
They had to have take the core ideas to use for Discovery. It’s just to close in story.
I remember hearing about this at the time. Sadly it was only one of several Star Trek projects that were being batted around back then. Ultimately however it was the then higher ups in CBS that weren't interested in carrying on the legacy. While there was some confusion with the rights it was more a case of whoever wanted the rights could have them.
To CBS in the early 2000's Star Trek was done. It was an expensive program that was not pulling in the viewers anymore. Cheeper and more popular reality shows were more viable, easier to throw together on a shoestring and didn't require writers. There was also the outdated perspective that Sci-Fi was for kids and stoned Teenagers. All this put together lead the executives (who openly didn't understand Science fiction in the first place) to seeing it as a financial black hole.
I feel that was a real shame, Final Frontier had some real potential and as you pointed out took a necessary step forward while current Trek is obsessed with looking to it's past.
The really interesting thing you missed was how Final Frontier actually echoed Roddenberry's ideas. He was on record as saying for every two steps forward in society we then take one step back. This is a perspective that was very popular at the time, looking at the rise and fall of great civilisations and empires. A society rises to its epoch before it then collapses, only for a new society to rise from the rubble and move forward. Developing further than it's predecessor. With this in mind the Federation was/is destined to fall eventually. Leading to a Galactic Dark Age before the next great alliance comes.
Roddenberry went as far as to spec this idea out in a series outline that eventually became "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda"
I don't know why, buy just never clicked with Andromeda. I found series. Earth Final Conflict for more interesting, as Roddenberry's wife co-produced and starred in that series.
@@paulhunter6742 Andromeda was heavily influenced by Asimov’s Foundation work… sadly behind the scenes it became a power struggle between Robert Hewlett Wolfe who adapted Roddenberry’s original notes and Kevin Sorbro, who effectively wanted Hercules in Space.
Sorbro won
What i love about Star Trek is how rich the lore is. The possibilities are endless. They could make so many different animated series and movies exploring different stories and backgrounds, that would be complicated doing in live-action.
I was trepidatious about the idea of the federation sinking so low, but I'm on board now that I understand their reasoning (or, would have been on board at the time I guess).
I do wish new shows would push further into the future instead of just dabbling in the past or slowly continuing on from TNG.
I would've really liked this. A 2D, traditional animation series made for an adult audience that can also be enjoyed by the younger crowd, showing the galaxy and the Federation in a bad place that's trying to get better.
Why can't we have this?
Discovery season 3.
Because of Family Guy
@@SuperDeadparrotyeah but that's less Star Trek and more Andromeda.
I liked every iteration of the hammerhead design and don't think any of them are ugly. I would really have liked to see this become another Trek series. The characters seem well thought out, the animation of the early 2000's, like Samurai Jack and Avatar the Last Airbender was beautiful and the premise seems like a good idea. Much better than an angsty teenager destroying every working starship!
Would be nice if over the course of the show the ship gets minor refits were it gains more parts inspired by previous hero ships. Say a Galaxy inspired saucer, Sovereign hull material and Nacelles inspired by Ambassador class.
Really fascinated by how this story was picked up by Discovery rather than being forgotten. Very cool way for it to live on
I really like this idea. I'd love it more if it was a pre-planned multi-movie series. I love aliens that can't possibly be a human in a costume. The four armed alien looked awesome! Love the idea that the federation has completely fallen apart and the by the end of the multi-movies saga is them restoring the federation back to it's "garden of eden" state but now stronger and wiser.
I forgot all about this series. I downloaded a lot of these concept pics (which I still have) when they released them. This looked epic. Instead, we have whatever is passing for Star Trek since 2008. Thanks for the making the video,
That means “the burn” ( Discovery series) and “ the Omega attacks ” were elements of an multiverse based anomaly effect, because in both cases ( ironically) all warp travel was disabled and some ships destroyed in that event , hmm I wonder how strange it is that two different Dimensions lost all their Warp travel capabilities in these Star Trek scenarios?!? I wonder indeed?!?!?
And then these great ideas found themselves into Discovery’s 32nd century!
This show looks cool, and even with the new canon future of startrek i think you could make it work. If you slot this in near the begining of ‘the Burn’ then not only do you get the wartime distopian era, but you also get the timejump needed and a lot of wiggle room!
It seems like many of these ideas made it into the third season of Discovery.
I would love to see a CGI Clone Wars style animated Star Trek show. You could do more seasons of TNG, Enterprise and explore other ships/crews and because of the CGI more non-humanoid alien species.
BIG agree
Sounds like it would have had fewer anachronistic problems than Discovery while exploring similar ideas.
I was thinking the same thing, only about ST: PICARD! It very much feels like the xenophobic Federation of Admiral "STFU!" Clancy. In fact, Amn Magnuson would be a perfect fit as a recurring antagonist on that show.
I suppose we should count ourselves as lucky, given what a hash Hack Fraud Alex Kurtzman would have made of this premise.
@@drdarkeny I didn't think Clancy was Xenophobic? She was just done with Picard. Outside the whole synth situation she acted like you'd expect any other admiral to act as far as I remember.
>insert stock I don’t like current Star Trek remark
@@fgdj2000 I never said I didn’t like modern Trek.
@@fgdj2000 :
::insert stock "NEW STAR TRACK RULEZ & ALEX KURTZMAN'S A GEENYUS!" remark right afterward::
Two can play that game, fanboi.
I'm about two/thirds through this presentation and have learned already about elements Final Frontier ended up contributing to Prodigy, Discovery, and probably Picard as well. I'd have loved to watch it. 🖖
And the fact that the newest enterprise is a patrol ship turned explorer.
I would have loved too watch this, then buy it on dvd. I would have bought the comic series if would have happened instead. It’s sad that we have been thus far denied this series in any form. Hopefully one day we can. 🤞🏼🖖🏼🙏🏼
It's interesting if they recognized the saucer design as "friendly". Probably one of the reasons it's so beloved. Don't see the hammerhead as an improvement.
isn't that the point? the hammerhead is supposed to make it more of an aggressive warship instead of an exploration vessel, more in line with something like star destroyers from star wars than the usual curved shapes.
I can see as either a refit or an adhoc upgrade the Enterprise salvages a Galaxy class saucer and deflector array and gains a more old-school TNG styling as a result. maybe even with the rechristening gains the NCC registry and an official letter designation.
Yes I think that Star Trek final frontier would have worked In fact some of its ideas have shown up in Star Trek discovery such as the federation becoming isolationist, But final frontier came up with even more ideas than that and I think that these would have been interesting to see.
Love the style and the uniformes !!!!
Holy... How I have never heard of this?! It is *remarkably* similar to the Trek idea kicking around in my head the past few years. Mine takes place a couple centuries later, but it otherwise fits *very* comfortably within this concept. Dang...
Really cool concept. I actually followed news of this show back in the day. Although the designs are remarkable mid-2000s-anime-Clone and I probably wouldn’t have liked the visual discontinuity back then, I actually enjoy them now. There are actually lots of abandoned Star Trek projects that have some cool ideas. Like Rick Berman‘s Star Trek XI Movie which would have focused on The romulan war and followed Tiberius Chase, an ancestor of Jim Kirk.
Final Frontier would have been a great show. Wonderful story idea's and a very cool animation look.
The dark, bleak feel of that 26th century would have been a good fit in today's 2020's TV. I absolutely do think it would work at this time and would even go so far as saying it would make a fantastic live action show. A lot more fun than some of the Star Trek we've been getting in recent years and several magnitudes better than the JJ Abrams version of Trek.
As albizu75 correctly stated a few posts down, what an awful missed opportunity. As animation or live action someone please make this show!
This is news to me, and I think I would have enjoyed this show. The fact that I had never heard of it before, being a major fan for all of my over 40 year life, is rather a surprise. A nice one, though. Nice work!
This should come to tv
Ah, to have gotten this! I daresay the art style here beats Lower Decks by a long shot.
Sounds like a better version of Discovery
I was down with this series from the jump. This was the most I had heard about plot concepts though. Thanks for sharing. But with the decent reception to Lower Decks this probably cannot be resurrected. Here's hoping this can somehow see the light of day in some form of media or another hopefully with the original creative team in place.
Pretty awesome idea a lot better than anything currently being made!
It kind of was made. Much like how trek history has gone in the past they clearly reused concepts of this in other series. Namely S03 and S04 of STD and S01 of Prodigy.
An issue I have with the concept is that the name enterprise had fallen out of importance. Sorry but >200 years would not possibly diminish the importance of a ship that had been the federation flag ship multiple times and been central to saving the federation repeatedly. History will never forget the name Enterprise.
Now I could see the concept of a version of Enterprise being worn down and kept in service due to the failing state of the federation. That would be an interesting take. I also like the shift to the hammerhead archetype. There is only so much you can do with the formula of Saucer+Secondary Hull + Nacelles. So the shapes would eventually need to evolve.
It sounds like an interesting concept. The short, Clone Wars style episodes, seems like the weak point to me. What I do see in it are a lot of ideas which are now being explored in Star Trek Discovery, a future, much reduced Federation that has abandoned exploration and become insular in a universe where warp drive is quite limited? That's season 3 of Discovery.
While S3 was better, seeing this and stuff about Andromeda... Discovery finds new ways to piss me off.
@@Zeithri I'm certainly not defending Discovery. This animated project looks like it had a lot more promise. I don't hate Discovery, but it definitely has a lot of problems. I think each season has gotten progressively better, the first being almost irredeemable.
I'd like to think this would still work, although with the Discovery crew now firmly in the 32nd century, things would have to be realigned.
We needed this
Fascinating. 🖖
Just from pics I see a late night adult swim aeonflux type vibes
Great video, thanks 🙏🏻
This sounds perfect for a comic series.
They've got some solid ideas here I would have liked to see more of this. The disruption of warp travel and collapse of the federation sounds familiar to what discovery would do years later. Look at the federation in Picard 1-3. People say how Star Trek needs to restart the cycle but on the other hand even in the original series and the next generation the federation is just blind optimism and hope. The problem is it can't realistically exist... There's no such thing as a perfect society.
For a series of action-oriented shorts, a darker Star Trek is a must. Any good story needs some form of conflict, and while it not need be grim-dark conflict, even with full hour episodes, it's tough to get a more cerebral optimistic exploration of the human condition type of conflict done well. It sounds like it wasn't that the team behind Final Frontier wanted to do grim-dark Star Trek, but that they wanted to do Star Trek and that within the time and budget constraints they expected to be under, it would need to be grimmer than Star Trek usually had been.
What if it was an audio drama podcast? It could be used for Short Treks.
Is it me, or Star Trek Beyond seems to have been... let's say inspired by the second Final Frontier story?
This one really needs to be make it so. Looks pretty current event realistic to me.
This sounds awesome I'd watch the hell out of this
I am glad someone dug this up.
the drawings are great x
The mother holding her baby above her head as she is being sucked into 2-D space just to give it few extra seconds of life...
Sounds like some of the plot elements for this was adapted for Discovery and Picard.
Sadly a common practice
I'm not really a Trekkie, but I'd watch the hell out of that. I liked TOS, and about 2/3 of Enterprise, but never really cared for TNG, Voyager, or DS9, and I pretty much despise Discovery (watched up till they jumped to the future before giving up completely). I think the Orville did a better job of capturing the old Trek feels than Discovery did, ffs.
But this? I'd watch the hell out of it!
This version is so different it reminds me more of the Terran Empire kind of paranoia.
Final Frontier sounds like it would have been a fine addition to the Star Trek canon. Hell, its backstory and present story sound like they could have been really good live action series but an animated one would have been very very cool too. Sounds way better than Lower Decks or Prodigy anyway
I would have been more interested in watching this than anything else that has come along since DS9.
Can see many elements of this spread across all the new shows. This would have done it better.
This sounds awesome, and they pried parts of this out like a vulture in order to satisfy the guts of Discovery.
I'D RATHER HAVE HAD THIS SHOW!
Gonna have to dwell into researching this that's for sure...
Great video!
There's been a lot of information about the failed live action sequel to the original Trek, but nobody mentions this animated show.
I hope someone cut those guys a check: a federation that turned it's back on it's roots, and core members gone, and warp drive is a thing of the past? Sounds like Discovery's 32nd century. Mr Zero seems to have inspired Zero on Prodigy.
I would have loved this show, but then I tend to love just about anything Trek, even the stuff that isn't the best (looking at you, 2nd season Picard.)
Now... I LOVE the art work for this lost series! Wow! it looks incredible!
I really have a hard time with "Lower Decks"; can't stand the animation and the caffeinated chipmunk delivery of the dialog.
Omega would have made so much more sense with that similar Discovery season. And also it would be good to indeed move ahead instead of regurgitating picard and spock and pike and the rest.
Whether you agree or not, star trek uses elements of unused ideas. Discovery.... This project. Even similarities between DS9 and B5 which was as JMS tells a rejected star trek project. I always thought Alexander chase could had been an ancestor of Tiberius Chase from the unused Star Trek the Beginning film which was being developed around this time
The "Dragonflies" remind me very much of Babylon 5's Starfuries.
Would've rather had this than the Abrams movie reboots.
Shame it never materialized... I would've liked to have seen it.
I remember those designs
Sounds like kurtsman trek only slightly better. Love the animation style it reminds me of the dcs animated style. How did the federation get warp drive back then? Pity thus never got made it sounds more interesting then kurzman crap.
The concept of a failed federation was done in the tv show Andromeda Ascendent. It’s obvious that bits and pieces of this survived and made it to Star Trek Discovery. The shame is that the ideas were better fleshed out in the failed animated series. What is painfully obvious is that CBS rather than try to build fresh simply gave an un tested creative team a failed project ant told then to use this as the foundation for the new series.
Hmm interesting concept and it's obvious that some of the plot details were recycled in later shows. I love the idea of aliens taking refuge on a derelict galaxy class ship.
Sounds.............fascinating.
Making tue ENTERPRISE just another ship. Fan's would NOT agree to that.
I'm a little disappointed that the protocol officer was evidently a one-shot. I think having a 'political officer' on board like the Soviets used to have to keep everyone in line would be very interesting.
They should have reused these uniforms for LD
It was a surreal vision.
I remember this pitch decades ago. It never would have been greenlit from the planning stages. It was too much like Star Wars. Ironically, parts of it would be coincidentally used in Star Trek Discovery season 3 (but decades later). After the fan submissions contest of 1993-1999, they did not accept any pitches from fans, and have not since. Parts of this pitch appeared also on TrekWeb of which I was on said website. I was not involved in these stories though.
Although Gene Roddenberry's original mandate was 'your crew cannot have conflict' and 'the conflict comes from where they visit, such as an alien planet, but the Federation has evolved beyond conflict' is a little hippy, but some of this made sense at the time, in the 60s and through the first 5 years of TNG. Gene did not care for the premise of DS9 before his death. He didn't even like the early print of The Undiscovered Country. He passed before it came to theaters.
I was in the writing contest. It was a great learning experience, even after rejection letters, but encouraged me to keep writing science fiction as I had a command of the characters. Did a Deep Space Nine and a Voyager spec script. I did not have a Mary Sue in my stories. That they liked. Make your story about the characters, not about the insert yourself character.
The story premise here did later become a web comic. It might still be online somewhere. Cheers.
It reminds me of Andromeda, only where Andromeda sucked, this sounds like it wouldn't have sucked. I wonder if the current setting of Discovery might have borrowed some of its future-federation setup might have come from this.
The concept sound interesting but with it being 150 years after Voyager and the huge tonel shift (lost the ability to warp and the ships were to defend borders than to seek new life) would of wreck future shows that want to be set in the far future after Picard. Granted had this show been made, it could of been written off as an alternative universe should show set in the far future had a more peaceful setting to FF!
As an original concept this might have been really good and they should really consider taking the idea in that direction. This feels nothing like Star Trek (if not outright anti-Trek) and I would have hated it trying to be Star Trek, but as an original property this totally could have worked.
I feel like discovery season 3/4 took more then a few ideas from this
I really would have liked that series !!
I must say, the scripts were far better than anything CBS has been putting out with STD and Picard by light years!
Are you forgetting the 2 seasons of Star Trek the Animated Series?
More like 1.5 seasons.
Taken as a whole, it feels more like one season... and D.C. Fontana made it clear that it covers the fourth year of the 5yr mission.
I love the star trek final frontier
Looks way more interesting than anything Kurtzman and friends have shat out in the last few years.
There are aspects of this series that have snuck in via Discovery S3.
This certainly worked a whole lot better than discovery storyline on how warp drive was incapable Not that it wasn't interesting this just felt much better even if there is an alien that could absorb war power and destroy it
I think this story could still be used be it 150 years from now or the 23rd to 25th century
This would have been right at home on mid 2000s cartoon network (or would it be nick since its owned by paramount?)
I hope they do think about picking it up again ...
Sounds very cool - I would have watched it!
for me i like the design of the hammer ship ,something diferente and futuristic into the futuristic universe of star trek xd
get the ball rolling as a parallel series or alternate future.
King Kong, which was made famous as a 1930’s film, is the story of a white, very white...extremely white and Aryan the way Ann Coulter wishes she was Aryan...woman who some how ends up on a tropical, very tropical, WILD and untamed island populated by…NATIVES! Yep, natives who become entranced with this Aryan representation of civilized female beauty even though they have never set eyes on a white woman. Depending on the version, they either have always worshiped white women or simply begin to worship them once they set eyes on the blond bombshell that plops down on their island.
Visually awesome, great storylines and characters. However, I'm more on the Star Trek is for exploring team. We get wars (even in the previous and current ST series) in so many shows. Let's seek out strange new worlds, etc, etc. The galaxy is massive. Making everything about neighboring alien wars is boring and lacks the Star Trek spirit imo. Still sounds fun though.
it would have been ok.. But I think they used bits of it for Season 3 Discovery.
"Moving forward" isn't what they did with Discovery until fans complained.
it was made though. as Discovery season 3.