Never heard the ORG, but I’ve owned a few Pallas pressings. I was unimpressed by the Pallas. I ended up with a mint EU OG (Sonopress Germany) and that’s just an absolutely unreal pressing. If you want your OG back, find a Sonopress. Thanks for the review.
Hey Ron. The 3rd seller at $120 is NTX Vinyl (North Texas Vinyl) run by G.I. Sanders who has a reputable 3 locations in the DFW (Dallas Fort Worth, TX) area and sells via his website also, plus Discogs and WhatNot. Totally credible business and solid ratings and delivery. I did a 2-part interview with him in the early days of my channel. Thanks for the video and stay well :)
I have ORG pressings of Nevermind, In Utero, and Unplugged. They all sound so good I never felt the need to upgrade. Sometimes you just that sense when you first play a record and how it makes you feel. Your comparison confirms that. Thank for the video.
Full history: ORG originally produced this record and plated it at RTI in California in 2009. In 2010, ORG had Pallas doing the pressings 2013, ORG lost the license to this album and so Universal started cutting their copies using the same stampers and factory (Pallas) as the ORG pressing was. Except instead of “ORG-032,” being engraved in the deadwax, it shows as “XXX XXX.” Sometime in 2020, the plates were probably too worn down and was recut. I assume the plate was worn down because the deadwax inscriptions are basically unseeable on some of the pressings made by pallas. You can tell which one is which by reading the deadwax. The original 2013-2020 Pallas pressing has both the “XXX XXX” stamp as well as the RTI stamp {“18200.1(3)”}. Don’t let the Bernie Grundman signature deceive you, because he cut both the ORG and the 2020 Universal recut. Also, the 2013 ORG cut still has a grooved maroon label. The 2020 recut’s label is more gray and is not grooved.
I have the Pallas pressing and it sounds good but not surprised the ORG is the way to go. Too bad it is so expensive. In 1991 cd's were all the rage and viny was not as hot. Now records made from that time from major acts are highly sought after. Anyone have a time machine? lol
Excellent information. Thank you Ron. I have gotten much great advice on your channel over the years. I decided to pick that record up because I’ve been seeking out a copy and this sounds like a great one. I’ll see if I can post a rip on my channel.
you're spoiling us Ron with a quick follow up video after the last magnum opus. Enjoyable as always with the usual essential information. Good to see the camera angle re-aligned.
Yeah very sorry about that last video I was about 3/4 of the way through it when my wife walked in and wouldn't stop talking so I figured well I'll make another video and then I got done with that after an hour and 10 minutes and the camera was a little high and I said Man I've been putting this off for a week already I got to put put it on CZcams now or it's not going to get done sorry about that
Love the video , this what happens when a lot more people buy vinyl , quality goes out the window , it becomes more about the cash not how good it sounds . Chad is the best in business .
Yeah I've been preaching that very thing for years once the big record companies got back into making records they start making digital junk not like the stuff that classic records and rhino records and quality records was making before that time
There are at least 2 different pressings with the Pallas sticker, I have 2 different ones, one has the exact same matrix as the ORG down to the XXX our ORG Matrix code in the deadwax
Yeah I didn't do a lot of research on it but I thought something must be up because a lot of people talk about how great the record sounds and the one I have it doesn't sound bad of course but it's not close to the original ORG I was so surprised I'll have to check my numbers thanks bro
You're welcome Darren most of the time I try to include a little bit of information about records in my videos if you go back through the catalog of my older videos it's very informative
Ron nice breakdown of Nirvana Nevermind I thought the pressings would sound exact due to the father plates damn now I have to seek out that ORG I do have a Yellow ORG In Utero that one sounds outstanding Ron . Love your information Ron thanks and also discog is definitely a learning experience too take care. Lovellandrew
It's also about the vinyl used, the Marvin Gaye GZ press was not engineered as per the RTI press hence the huge sound quality issue. The chemical used in the electro plating is critical, cheaper means larger crystals and may mean poorer sound. So 8/10
Well, I like Pallas quite a lot and will buy their records if they pressed something I want. As for this title, I have it, I just don't know who pressed it 😅 Guess it's time to dig it out. Just looked...mine is Pallas.
Yeah I too like records that are pressed in Pallas I have some really good ones. But I do think overall RTI and QRP and do a better job. Like the Frank Zappa stuff they sound really good but I think they could have been better if they were made in the USA at RTI thank you very much for your comments much appreciated my friend
Hi Ron! I have that Nirvana record like you bought for your son and mine sounds terrific. They must have used that stamper to death. Lol. The more recent reissues just aren't as good unfortunately. I always enjoy a new video from you. Take care.
When I buy records on Discogs I always ask the seller to send me detailed photos of the vinyl and sleeve. It not like having it In your hands but it help ✌️🙏
A couple decades ago I sold my mfsl version thinking if replaced it with the simply vinyl version as it was only $30. I guess I shouldn't have waited two decades. Any recommendations for a quality inexpensive version.
HI Ron, Yes Sir! You are right about the comparison between the two (ORG & Pallas). I have both plus the 1991 OG. The ORG is better than the Pallas press, and I have an early 2013 Pallas press. I just did the comparison today. The 1991 1st pressing is the ultimate killer, but if on a budget get the ORG.
FUN VIDEO. 98% Yellow, Vinyl unofficial pressing on Discogs and the internet states that the sound is not to be sniffed at ! Popular Record ..and to find an Original !!
this 2009 ORG pressing had an even earlier pallas pressing in 2010. have you heard that one? i hear it's almost as good as the original. (in utero had two similar pressings.) i assume this is the much more recent 2017 pallas. (there's also one from 2013.) gawd this hobby is nuts
Yes it's a later issue from Pallas and at this point from what I understand now the plates are getting mostly wore out. The earlier pressings sound great.
@@ibnkhaldoun4319 I think they would be very good but not as good RTI has an excellent plating process and they do fantastic job of pressing records. The same plates were used for the record but the facility makes a difference and the ORG were from the first stampers. But the folks who got the early pallas pressing said they were very good and for the price Great value.
Yeah I couldn't believe how much they're going for now I didn't get nearly that much but it was like 10 years ago and records were a lot cheaper and made a lot better back in those days a lot easier to find nice AAA records but it did have great sound on it I do remember that OG did sound great but I would imagine the Bernie grunman remaster and then pressed and plaited at RTI it's got to be better than the OG but that OG was good thanks so much my friend for leaving a great comment much appreciated
Geez I really like that chair your sitting on. Comfy too I'll bet. It reminds me of my Grandma's house down in Nova Scotia in the 50s. VCLT that to me will ya Ronny. LOL
Wow, awesome video Bro! Great discussion of Discogs and of the plating. I know you have mentioned this before, but even though I've been collecting vinyl for over 40 years, I never realized that the plating could make so much difference. I'm glad that you have explained how important that is. BTW, I have an OG of Nevermind too, along with a whole bunch of records I happened to buy at that same time. I remember walking into a used record store here along the coast north of San Diego, and yeah it was about 1991 or so, and I heard this album playing and I was 'WOW! what the hell *IS* that?!!' So, I went to the counter and they were playing The Screaming Trees: Uncle Anesthesia (Still one of *THE* most creative album covers of all time!) I had never ever heard anything like it before and I immediately bought it. I looked it up once many years ago and it was worth like $190 or something silly. It's funny, as I'm going through my records now and slowly adding all my albums to my Discogs collection, I'll come across some innocuous album, like the other day I came across Boston IV. Probably a lousy album, but when I looked it up there was only one for sale for about $300! That is so amazing when that happens, not to mention what that OG of Nevermind is worth now 😊 but, I'm not planning on selling it. BTW, the entire time during your video, my eye kept shifting over to that lovely Hendrix box that I am waiting for. I just couldn't help it, my eyes just kept going over to it 😁 Mine should be here tomorrow; I sure *HOPE* it is the same QRP pressing!
@@RocknRonni Thank you kindly sir! I just received it today, it sure looks beautiful 😊 Yep, it's definitely the same pressing pressed (and yes *PLATED!* 😁) at QRP! I very much look forward to listening to it in the next day or two. Not a bad price brand new considering many places including Acoustic Sounds are selling it shipped for about $170 or so. Just when I thought I'd bought all the Hendrix that I ever would, here comes Ron Beaudry with his video! 😳
Never heard the ORG, but I’ve owned a few Pallas pressings. I was unimpressed by the Pallas. I ended up with a mint EU OG (Sonopress Germany) and that’s just an absolutely unreal pressing. If you want your OG back, find a Sonopress. Thanks for the review.
Hey Ron. The 3rd seller at $120 is NTX Vinyl (North Texas Vinyl) run by G.I. Sanders who has a reputable 3 locations in the DFW (Dallas Fort Worth, TX) area and sells via his website also, plus Discogs and WhatNot. Totally credible business and solid ratings and delivery. I did a 2-part interview with him in the early days of my channel. Thanks for the video and stay well :)
Hey bro thanks for the great info and the wonderful comment Glad you enjoyed the video
I have ORG pressings of Nevermind, In Utero, and Unplugged. They all sound so good I never felt the need to upgrade. Sometimes you just that sense when you first play a record and how it makes you feel. Your comparison confirms that. Thank for the video.
Full history:
ORG originally produced this record and plated it at RTI in California in 2009.
In 2010, ORG had Pallas doing the pressings
2013, ORG lost the license to this album and so Universal started cutting their copies using the same stampers and factory (Pallas) as the ORG pressing was. Except instead of “ORG-032,” being engraved in the deadwax, it shows as “XXX XXX.”
Sometime in 2020, the plates were probably too worn down and was recut. I assume the plate was worn down because the deadwax inscriptions are basically unseeable on some of the pressings made by pallas.
You can tell which one is which by reading the deadwax. The original 2013-2020 Pallas pressing has both the “XXX XXX” stamp as well as the RTI stamp {“18200.1(3)”}. Don’t let the Bernie Grundman signature deceive you, because he cut both the ORG and the 2020 Universal recut. Also, the 2013 ORG cut still has a grooved maroon label. The 2020 recut’s label is more gray and is not grooved.
I have the Pallas pressing and it sounds good but not surprised the ORG is the way to go. Too bad it is so expensive. In 1991 cd's were all the rage and viny was not as hot. Now records made from that time from major acts are highly sought after. Anyone have a time machine? lol
Excellent information. Thank you Ron. I have gotten much great advice on your channel over the years. I decided to pick that record up because I’ve been seeking out a copy and this sounds like a great one. I’ll see if I can post a rip on my channel.
Thanks my friend so much for your wonderful comment very much appreciated
I just subscribe to your channel 😎 bro
Great video Rockin' Ronnie!
you're spoiling us Ron with a quick follow up video after the last magnum opus. Enjoyable as always with the usual essential information. Good to see the camera angle re-aligned.
Yeah very sorry about that last video I was about 3/4 of the way through it when my wife walked in and wouldn't stop talking so I figured well I'll make another video and then I got done with that after an hour and 10 minutes and the camera was a little high and I said Man I've been putting this off for a week already I got to put put it on CZcams now or it's not going to get done sorry about that
great as always 🙂
Hey my friend glad to see you checking in I hope everything's going your way bro 😎
Fantastic explanation,it sort of confirms why some of these classic OGs sound so much better than anything else
Ron .. enjoyed the video. Great information. Buying records sometimes, “you pays your money you takes your chance”. Well done.
Well said! My friend thanks so much for leaving a great comment
Love the video , this what happens when a lot more people buy vinyl , quality goes out the window , it becomes more about the cash not how good it sounds . Chad is the best in business .
Yeah I've been preaching that very thing for years once the big record companies got back into making records they start making digital junk not like the stuff that classic records and rhino records and quality records was making before that time
There are at least 2 different pressings with the Pallas sticker, I have 2 different ones, one has the exact same matrix as the ORG down to the XXX our ORG Matrix code in the deadwax
Yeah I didn't do a lot of research on it but I thought something must be up because a lot of people talk about how great the record sounds and the one I have it doesn't sound bad of course but it's not close to the original ORG I was so surprised I'll have to check my numbers thanks bro
Does the Pallas pressing with the same matrix as the ORG sound noticeably better than the other Pallas sticker one you have?
Thanks Ron for the explanation, Father, Mother etc very informative
You're welcome Darren most of the time I try to include a little bit of information about records in my videos if you go back through the catalog of my older videos it's very informative
Ron nice breakdown of Nirvana Nevermind I thought the pressings would sound exact due to the father plates damn now I have to seek out that ORG I do have a Yellow ORG In Utero that one sounds outstanding Ron . Love your information Ron thanks and also discog is definitely a learning experience too take care. Lovellandrew
Ron! Miss your videos very much and hope you're doing good man. If theres ever anything i can do you just let me know buddy and im on it👍✌️
On ya Ron
It's also about the vinyl used, the Marvin Gaye GZ press was not engineered as per the RTI press hence the huge sound quality issue. The chemical used in the electro plating is critical, cheaper means larger crystals and may mean poorer sound. So 8/10
Well, I like Pallas quite a lot and will buy their records if they pressed something I want.
As for this title, I have it, I just don't know who pressed it 😅
Guess it's time to dig it out.
Just looked...mine is Pallas.
Yeah I too like records that are pressed in Pallas I have some really good ones. But I do think overall RTI and QRP and do a better job. Like the Frank Zappa stuff they sound really good but I think they could have been better if they were made in the USA at RTI thank you very much for your comments much appreciated my friend
Hi Ron! I have that Nirvana record like you bought for your son and mine sounds terrific. They must have used that stamper to death. Lol. The more recent reissues just aren't as good unfortunately. I always enjoy a new video from you. Take care.
Thanks my friend I always appreciate your input and comments and Best of luck with mofi congratulations 😎👍🔥
When I buy records on Discogs I always ask the seller to send me detailed photos of the vinyl and sleeve. It not like having it In your hands but it help ✌️🙏
Yes I agree I always want to see photos of the exact product I'm buying not some factory photo
A couple decades ago I sold my mfsl version thinking if replaced it with the simply vinyl version as it was only $30. I guess I shouldn't have waited two decades. Any recommendations for a quality inexpensive version.
HI Ron, Yes Sir! You are right about the comparison between the two (ORG & Pallas). I have both plus the 1991 OG. The ORG is better than the Pallas press, and I have an early 2013 Pallas press. I just did the comparison today. The 1991 1st pressing is the ultimate killer, but if on a budget get the ORG.
What year is the ORG pressing?
@@biga8230 2009 with the original ORG music label on back cover.
@jammko1970 thank you, what would be the difference between those two? I see a couple on ebay I may buy....
@@biga8230 On the back cover the ORG label has the arrows.
@@Jamko1970 is the 2013 pallas Germany any good? Silver sticker on front of jacket....
FUN VIDEO. 98% Yellow, Vinyl unofficial pressing on Discogs and the internet states that the sound is not to be sniffed at ! Popular Record ..and to find an Original !!
this 2009 ORG pressing had an even earlier pallas pressing in 2010. have you heard that one? i hear it's almost as good as the original. (in utero had two similar pressings.)
i assume this is the much more recent 2017 pallas. (there's also one from 2013.)
gawd this hobby is nuts
Yes it's a later issue from Pallas and at this point from what I understand now the plates are getting mostly wore out.
The earlier pressings sound great.
are the earliest pallas pressings of this as good as the RTI?
@@ibnkhaldoun4319 I think they would be very good but not as good RTI has an excellent plating process and they do fantastic job of pressing records.
The same plates were used for the record but the facility makes a difference and the ORG were from the first stampers. But the folks who got the early pallas pressing said they were very good and for the price Great value.
do you think there's much of difference between the RTI colored vinyl & black? stupid question but i've always assumed black vinyl is better
1991 US OG on my Discogs runs a median of $1000 CAD, High is $2700 CAD ...crazy
Yeah I couldn't believe how much they're going for now I didn't get nearly that much but it was like 10 years ago and records were a lot cheaper and made a lot better back in those days a lot easier to find nice AAA records but it did have great sound on it I do remember that OG did sound great but I would imagine the Bernie grunman remaster and then pressed and plaited at RTI it's got to be better than the OG but that OG was good thanks so much my friend for leaving a great comment much appreciated
@@RocknRonni Great video man
get a european OG. those are far more reasonable
@@ibnkhaldoun4319 I own the '91 OG
Geez I really like that chair your sitting on. Comfy too I'll bet. It reminds me of my Grandma's house down in Nova Scotia in the 50s. VCLT that to me will ya Ronny. LOL
Hey Bobby thanks for checking in my friend I sure hope them fish start biting soon. we need to get them old people out of the house 😂
@@RocknRonni LOL... I with you there Ronnie.
Wow, awesome video Bro! Great discussion of Discogs and of the plating. I know you have mentioned this before, but even though I've been collecting vinyl for over 40 years, I never realized that the plating could make so much difference. I'm glad that you have explained how important that is.
BTW, I have an OG of Nevermind too, along with a whole bunch of records I happened to buy at that same time. I remember walking into a used record store here along the coast north of San Diego, and yeah it was about 1991 or so, and I heard this album playing and I was 'WOW! what the hell *IS* that?!!' So, I went to the counter and they were playing The Screaming Trees: Uncle Anesthesia (Still one of *THE* most creative album covers of all time!) I had never ever heard anything like it before and I immediately bought it. I looked it up once many years ago and it was worth like $190 or something silly. It's funny, as I'm going through my records now and slowly adding all my albums to my Discogs collection, I'll come across some innocuous album, like the other day I came across Boston IV. Probably a lousy album, but when I looked it up there was only one for sale for about $300! That is so amazing when that happens, not to mention what that OG of Nevermind is worth now 😊 but, I'm not planning on selling it.
BTW, the entire time during your video, my eye kept shifting over to that lovely Hendrix box that I am waiting for. I just couldn't help it, my eyes just kept going over to it 😁 Mine should be here tomorrow; I sure *HOPE* it is the same QRP pressing!
Be sure to let me know what you think of the box I'm interested to know your opinion my friend
@@RocknRonni Thank you kindly sir! I just received it today, it sure looks beautiful 😊 Yep, it's definitely the same pressing pressed (and yes *PLATED!* 😁) at QRP! I very much look forward to listening to it in the next day or two. Not a bad price brand new considering many places including Acoustic Sounds are selling it shipped for about $170 or so.
Just when I thought I'd bought all the Hendrix that I ever would, here comes Ron Beaudry with his video! 😳
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