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Must Watch record cleaning, Definitive information required to make intelligent decisions.
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2023
- Must Watch record cleaning, the definitive solution, information you need, to make a informed decision, on how You, want to clean YOUR records.
Carbon fiber brush? Spin clean? vacuum? ultrasonic? surfactants? Rinsing? what should I do?
Loved every minute of this Ron! Many thanks for sharing your knowledge with us! I find it all fascinating and you explain everything so well! Peace and love brother! :)
Thanks my friend for your most encouraging comments. Glad you could get some information from the video. Happy record cleaning 😊
@@RocknRonni💗Thank you so much for that Ron! Very kind of you brother! I Hope you are having a great weekend! 💗☮️📀
Enjoyed learning about the vinyl making process.
Thanks for watching so glad you enjoyed learning about the process.
as I do myself,the More information we have about the product the better decisions we can make. Thank you so much for commentary and a liking the video ❤️
Must watch huh? I've seen so many record cleaning videos and methods it makes my head spin Ron. The whackiest was the wood glue method. LOL ... I use a spin clean and a final rinse of distilled water in a spray bottle to wash away the cleaning fluid. All detergents leave a film on whatever the detergent is cleaning including records and that's why I use a final spray to wash that film off the record. That's good enough for my ancient ears... By the way the best cloth for drying a record is soft cotton or muslin I found. The cotton and muslin actually picks up dirt that doesn't get picked up by other materials. Owning a window cleaning business taught me all I wanted to know about cleaning dirt. Vacuuming off the liquid would be better no doubt but the expense isn't justified by my bank account. That brush tip of dragging it to the outside of the record reminded me of a time 10 years ago when a VC dude complained that when he used the brush and lifted it off the record their was a pile of dust still on the record. I had to tell him to drag the dust off to the side of the record to get rid of it like you said... LOL
Sounds like you have a good cleaning process Bobby congratulations. most folks don't have any idea. Thanks so much for watching and leaving some great commentary most appreciated.
Hey, a fellow window cleaner! 👍
@@latheofheaven My Pop owned the business before he died and my brother and I took it over. Pop used to take me out of school to help him often. Yeah I been pushing dirt around for a very long long time. LOL
@@BobbyGass5 Ah, I feel you Brother... My Dad started primarily window cleaning about 1965. In 1977 we became partners, again primarily residential and some business (small buildings) and some carpet cleaning and janitorial. Eventually as I took over the main business in around 1985 I just concentrated on residential window cleaning.
My Dad worked with me until he was 88! He was still in great shape, but he felt self-conscious and said, 'What are these people going to think you bringing along this old man?' So, he stopped then. I've been doing it for over 45 years and I still enjoy it and *THANKFULLY* can still do it! (uh, that would be the window cleaning, that is... 😁)
@@latheofheaven Where a bout's on the planet are you located? Up here in Toronto we have Winters and working in the cold with wet hands and the water freezing on the windows is a real pain in the ass. Some days even straight alcohol would turn to slush on the windows it was so cold. LOL
Manythnx for the information Ron🤘
You're welcome Dave
If you say the plasticiser go to the surface of the record.
So in practice we don't have a ideal filling of the grove.
So when we separation of the LP and stampers (metal parts).
It is plastarise on the stampers and on the LP as you say.
We all know that liquid is uncomprehensive so we have a film of this plasticizer between the stamper and the LP.
That film of plasticizer is what goes into the finest parts of the grove so that information is lost forever when plasticizer is not a solid and we according to the video do anything to remove the plasticizer.
An note is that this plasticizer is what others call "release agent".
Better production methods of LPs is on its way.
Injection molding is the future and they use much more heat and the material is more applicable and we are at 300°c.
PROBABLY no use of the plasticizers..
Yeah you make some valid points. Something that is obvious but I just hadn't thought about The way you have.
injection molding I remember watching a CZcams video where they were talking about that, seems very intriguing. Thanks so much for your informative commentary thought-provoking thanks so much.
Thanks Ron for your advise! I appreciate it!
You're welcome Mr Drew I think we have enough information now so most folks can make informed decision as to the way they want to clean their records. this information applies to everyone I believe. Thanks so much for your commentary and encouraging words. 🔥
And the beat goes on. Good info.
Thanks Richard I think now with the information we currently have, folks can make an informed decision to suit their style of record cleaning. As always appreciate your commentary my friend. 🔥
Another great one Ron. Thanks for the detailed information!
Thank you very much for the most encouraging words. So glad you enjoyed the video. 👍
Hello Ron, great video as per usual. All your points are absolutely correct as is Steve Evans of PVF. As for ultrasonic cleaning, 120 or 132khz are the best frequencies. The Degritter is 120khz, Kirmuss uses 35khz, Humminguru/KLaudio/Audio Desk and nearly all of the DIY tub units use 40khz. The reason most units use 35/40khz frequencies is because the 35/40khz transducers are cheaper to make and much more common than any other frequency transducer. Its a matter of cost. Tergikleen is brilliant but must be rinsed off. Rinsing and vacuuming is essential no matter what cleaning agent that you use. Enjoy the music.
Thanks for all the great info my friend and you're absolutely correct.
@@RocknRonni yw
U Da Man Ronnie! 👍 Yep, you gotta rinse. Remember you HAVE to use at LEAST distilled water to rinse! If I have to use my DIY vacuum/rinse RCM after ultrasonically cleaning it due to it needing a bit more loving care, after using a strong surfactant/cleaner, I actually use Laboratory Regrade Purified Water #2 to rinse on the final vacuum. It my 4 part video series, I also show my DIY vacuum/rinse RCM and the solutions that I use to clean and rinse.
In Part 1 of my video series of how to make your own DIY ultrasonic RCM, I link to the fellow who wrote an exhaustive paper on 'The Aqueous Cleaning of Vinyl Records', a huge, 100 page or so discussion of EVERYTHING having to do with record cleaning. You should check it out 😊 Parts 2 - 4 show the distilled rinse tank that I use after the ultrasonic cleaning, and the 2 part filtration system I use to filter the solution to go back into the tank.
BTW, I absolutely *LOVE* the Re-Stoned! Just now grabbing all their stuff in FLAC 😊
You really are a serious record cleaning guru.
The ReStoned fantastic but
Records are in short supply though.
@@RocknRonni Heh... well, I think you gave a very good and helpful overview of what is important in record cleaning. If people follow your suggestions here they will be in good shape!
And yeah, the one record of the Re-Stoned that I looked at started at $50. I think in their case I will just go with the Lossless FLAC albums for now 😊
Before the Hummingguru was around I found a FURUTECH - DeStat III Static Charge Remover on sale and bought it and a record doctor. The Furutech works great for static. Quite a bit better than a carbon fiber brush but it’s not cheap even on sale. I’d like to eventually add a Hummingguru to my process.
Interesting video, Ron. Personally, I only use a damp cloth and a record brush to clean my records. I know people use different combinations of chemicals; to me, this makes no sense. Those chemicals will eventually eat away at the vinyl. ut that's just me. To each his own. But I genuinely enjoy the knowledge you bring to the topic. Thank you.
This was the point of the video so people could have all the information they require to make an informed decision and what's makes the most sense for them when cleaning their records.
Thank you very much for your commentary and encouraging words.
Well, there certainly are a LOT of choices with record cleaning, and I do not mean to diss yours... But, as to your comment about 'Those chemicals will eventually eat away the vinyl' is sadly a commonly mistaken view. The reason being is that 1) the recommended solutions are generally by and large already vetted as safe. And 2) and this is what people forget and it is so simple... *YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO DO THIS ONCE TO ANY GIVEN RECORD!* And, I guess 3) No matter how strong or aggressive the cleaning solution, as long as you are sure to *RINSE IT OFF PROPERLY WITH DISTILLED WATER* , then nothing remains on the vinyl to 'eat it away' 😊
Great video I enjoyed watching your video I have record cleaners also I have 2 spin clean washers, vinyl styl washer, record doctor VI record vacuum, digital ultrasonic cleaner for cleaning records and humminguru ultrasonic record cleaner to rinse and dry my records and what I use for cleaning are tergikleen, kodak photo flo, groovewasher g-sonic ultrasonic record wash concentrate and the groovinator and they all do a great job cleaning my records but I do like the ultrasonic cleaners better its look easier then doing spin clean and record doctor and less work.
Well you sure do have a a lot of record cleaning gear wow.
I just got some new speakers so My wife's not going be real happy if I'm buying a new ultrasonic real soon.so this is where I'm at. thanks so much for your commentary much appreciated. Glad to hear the ultrasonic is working good for you.
Hey Ron,
Another great vid and I’ve watched it twice along with your other Tergikleen-related vids👍 I’ve watched a few other vids for Spin Clean and Ultrasonic with sound sample comparisons. I just ordered my 2nd Spin Clean system yesterday via Amazon Prime Day for around $59. I also ordered a bottle of Tergikleen. I have a record vacuum system from KAB that hooks up to a household vacuum cleaner. Over the past 4-5 years I have cleaned all of my LPs at least twice with a Spin Clean and/or a record vacuum system. I have noticed the stylus getting clogged with debris on a number of LPs.
Questions:
1. Do you add about 15 drops of Tergikleen to a gallon bottle of distilled water and the pour the solution into the Spin Clean OR do you mix a smaller quantity that matches the volume of the Spin Clean?
2. Approximately how many LPs do you wash & rinse before replacing the water in your Spin Cleans?
Yes I add 15 drops to a gallon of distilled water and I usually wash 10 records and then I change the rinsing fluid and the cleaning fluid Thanks so much for watching You're going to be amazed how much better your records are going to sound with Tergikleen
@@RocknRonni - thanks for the detailed steps Ron. Most appreciated👍👍
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I discovered in early 2012 (or 13) what seemed like a super dried Wax inside of the grooves of the mainly 1949 to 1956 records that I was applying water to because the vinyl looked dried out. Very gray with some brown spots on a few records, The Decca release 33 1/3 "The Red Mill" and "Up in Central Park" (selections from both Bway musicals) I think recorded and released in '49 w/ Wilber Evans (a favorite) had the brown spots. After maybe 2-3 weeks of applying water I got mad at how they sounded and used some real elbow grease rubbing the wet vinyl with a paper towel, AND a whole bunch of goo started coming up and onto the towel. Records from maybe the late '50s to early '60s seem like they have a wax plastic combination then it was just plastic after middle '60s (I think). I've had records "gush goo" (or plastic) for weeks and weeks. The record has to be ripe I think, I just use tap water. I've cleaned several records at least 50 times and gotten at least fair to good amounts of goo and what seems like dirt but I think is actually little bits of plastic from the record (for one - Wishbone Ashes Live Dates, another favorite. RECORDS CAN BREAK, don't be too harsh on the records. I've broken several records and the number of times they have to be worked on (there may be a better method) keeps on stressing the vinyl to some degree. I've had several outside edge of the label breaks (where the vinyl steps-down in thickness) and 2 spindle hole breaks (John Mayall's "Back to the Roots) maybe half an inch towards the outside.
I only watch CZcams on my TV but I saw your video and just had to comment. I don't know many people but I have been telling all of my friends and relatives about this but none of them have been interested in vinyl records at all.
Yeah I know what you mean we're a very small group of people that actually care about cleaning records in the first place.
I think you might find tergikleen to work wonders to remove that goose substance you're talking of, but it must be rinsed off afterwards. If you don't do vacuuming once it is thoroughly rinsed you can hand dry the records that would be fine. ❤️
I collect a lot of very cheap, dirty thrift store records, $1 - $2 and they have decades of residue from skin oils of people handling them, cigarette smoke, grime, dust, dirt, whatever. I've gotten amazing results using Make-up Removing Cleansing Towelettes, removes long-lasting make-up including water-proof mascara, dermatologist approved, ophthalmologically tested, alcohol and oil free. The formula is designed to completely clean make-up gunk in microscopic skin pores without leaving any residue of its own (if you rinse with water after using). I use the towelette, mist with distilled water, carefully wipe dry with a microfiber cloth and then vacuum any lint with a Meco Mini vacuum cleaner. I realize Ron and others caution that this method can destroy your records, but I have had nothing but amazing results. I only use this on very cheap, very dirty records that need industrial strength cleaning before tracking a needle on them. Why do I collect cheap records nobody wants for investment purposes? Because I find the music charmingly nostalgic and love bringing it back to life. But I never buy scratched records. Dirt and residue I can remove, but I will not buy a scratched record, so it has to be scratchless and warpless to start with.
Hi Ron, John in NJ here. I have enjoyed your videos for years! Many thanks. I have a question and a comment. I have used Steve's cleaning service, and he does a great job. I'm looking for a way to do something adequate at home (I know I won't get to the same level of results as Steve, but if I can get close that works for me for most records). Did I understand this correctly-- If I use a 40 kHz ultrasonic with TergiKleen will that allow the cavitation bubbles to get into the grooves? Or, do I need 120 kHz to get into the grooves? Second thing is, I was also reluctant to try out VMP for the same reason you state (I don't know a lot of the music they sell). But I have tried it, and I find that lots of the records I do enjoy. It forces me to try music outside of what I know really well, and I am enjoying discovering some new stuff for the first time in decades. I think perhaps folks our age unplugged from current music 30 or more years ago, and I'm finding that I missed some treasures. Stream a few songs from their records of the month, you might find some you like as well.
Hey John glad to hear from you my friend.
Steve uses 120 khz in his cleaning process, I would Guess with TERGIKLEEN and he uses 240 for his rinsing process with ultrasonics.
After this he probably does a good vacuum to dry. And for the deep cleaning he does a soak 24 hours with detergent then a rinse, than a vacuum before he starts his ultrasonic cleaning. I don't know the type of equipment you have but with the basic stuff I have.
I cannot believe the results I'm getting. As stated in the video you have to break the film TERGIKLEEN can break the film. Also I said in the video if you have a 40 khz ultrasonic you can clean with TERGIKLEEN to break the film and then do a rinse and then dry and I would prefer a vacuum dry. I think the only machine available is the Degritter that uses a 120 kHz very expensive for me.
I was thinking of getting a subscription to vinyl me please when I learn how good those records can Sound. You can pick some free records when you join their subscription plan. I basically listen to all the records they had on their list to pick from and I really didn't find any I liked. I don't even know how that's possible but that was my experience.
there's been a lot of those folks making their top 10 favorite records list. I don't know if I found one record yet that I want to purchase because of all the videos I watched. all the different records I've learned about. Except maybe this one but it's hard to find. The Comsat Angels, waiting for a miracle.
I was just wondering if you had tried using TERGIKLEEN in you're cleaning process yet? as I stated in my previous video it's a game changer.
I have not used TERGIKLEEN yet, but I think that I will after your post. I have used a variety of machines from spin clean up to audio desk, and most recently the Kirmuss ultrasonic machine, and as I said I have used Steve's cleaning service, as well as The "In" Groove cleaning service. (they use KLAUDIO machines) Steve's results are excellent as are The "In" Groove's. My results at home are not as good! I find I can get the best results the the Kirmuss system, but it is very labor intensive, takes too much of my time and his surfactant is very pricey. I'll try it and let you know how it works. My plan is to use the Kirmuss to clean with TERGIKLEEN followed by a spray rinse w/ distilled water, then another rinse or two in spin cleans and finally I have a Vinyl Vac here someplace that I will use after the rinse. I have a good feeling about this, hope it works as well as it does for you. @@RocknRonni
@@johna6043 My cousin also has a Kirmuss he just got some TERGIKLEEN I think he's going to use his spin clean to apply the TERGIKLEEN and the kirmiss to rinse and then his VPI for the vacuum. Whichever way you choose I think it probably yields the same result. But I currently don't have an ultrasonic so I can't experiment personally with that device. Basically its wax on, wax off lol ❤️
Do you put any surfacant in the spin clean rinse water or will that leave a film
The rinse is only for distilled water. I tried using the spin clean and not rinsing and wiping with a towel and I could hear the surfactant on the record it was noisy. Any soap surfactants of any kind must be thoroughly rinsed in only distilled water and then vacuumed after if that is possible. I think once you know the problems that exist you can come up with a plan that works for you.
Hey Ron!! Great video but can you tell us who Steve is??
As stated in the video Steve Evans owns and operates perfect vinyl forever a record cleaning service. This guy's the guru when it comes to cleaning records.
he has experimented using many different variables when cleaning records. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for liking the video much appreciated 👍
@@RocknRonni I have Nooooo idea how I missed that as you clearly stated that. Sorry about that Ron!!
Hope all is well on your end.
Hey bro these videos are jam-packed with information our brains are only human they only can put up with so much. 😊 But seriously yeah there's a lot of information in here it's easy to miss stuff always a pleasure to answer questions. Again so happy that you liked the video my friend ❤️
@@RocknRonni Thanks for understanding but I feel pretty silly as well.
One thing I wanted to get your opinion on. I bought a Vervo Ultrasonic Cleaner....roughly $270 Canadian dollars. I sooo appreciate your comment about rinsing. This 40khz vs 120khz?? I'm not so sure and I wish someone would do an actual experiment on it.
So my plan is....I actually bought this ultrasonic cleaner 4 months ago and have yet to open it up...LOL
But what I plan to do is, give 2-4 records a normal bath with Spin Clean soap, 70% isopropyl alcohol, Kodak Photo-Flo (as the surfactant) and distilled water.
Once that cycle is done cleaning I am going to empty the tank and refill it with just distilled water for the rinse.
I was thinking about getting another Vervo as they are cheap or a Squeaky Clean manual with a Home Depot Wet/Dry vac but if I can save myself $250 ...for now...I will.
But I think I am going to try this method first and after the rinse with just distilled water...let it air dry and wipe off with a microfibre cloth.
Funny you mentioned that anti static brush. I just bought one from Vinyl Sound, a pro shop here in Toronto plus a stylus brush. I read from Michael from PoetryonPlastic channel that the best way to clean your stylus is get a small stylus brush and just dip it in distilled water.
Those two things should be here by Tuesday...plus a new belt for my Thorens.....way too much to upkeep this stuff...as you well know...LOL
I also LOVE your taste in music...I am 56 and really appreciate your reviews. I do many on FB pages if you wish to check out. I feel we have the same tastes.
We may not agree on certain pressings but our passions are the same.
I also LOVE your Audiophile T-shirt and I need one of those...LOL
Although I am not sure if a true Audiophile would consider my system an audiophile system...but I do. It works for me in my apartment and my keyboard setup.
The struggle to get the best sound....a never ending task.
All the best my friend.
Stay true
Cheers from Hamilton, Ontario
Darrin
Lol, isn't that the reason why "they" say not to use Isopropyl alcohol........ because it takes of the plasticizer
Please!!! Not another record cleaning video!!!!!!! The subject has been beaten to death!!!
Hello did you watch the video cuz this has got some new information in it did you not see the title the definitive record cleaning video. The last one you will ever need to watch. So the next time you see a video you can say not another stinking record cleaning video oh my goodness. Appreciate the commentary my friend have a good one. PS did you watch the video cuz I got a feeling if you did you wouldn't be saying that. ❤️
120 kHz ? are you sure ?
Not sure what you're referring to but obviously not 120,000 Hertz lol Thanks for watching
@@RocknRonni i meant the ultrasound has 120'000 Hz ?
is it safe ?
if not 120K then how much ?
@@VinylPro I'm sorry I'm not using an ultrasonic and I'm not very familiar with the frequencies if it's made for cleaning records it should be okay
@@RocknRonni nevermind:
just was curios... NEED TO TRY BY MYSELF....
Thanks Ron beaudry now let remove all that cosmik debris🌌🪐😇❤️
What kind of a guru are you anyway a record guru.
Y'all want some more well here's some more record cleaning videos Love the Frank Zappa references. ❤️
@@RocknRonni to atempt a serious reply -of what kind of guru -I’m in nursing home hospital bed been so 25years fron 35 year ago stroke then embolism in nursing home that took left arm &left leg ability - whole here I took nearly25years of instruction under jehovas witnesses but before this I wasn’t novice always assisted pastors in local Adventist snd Baptist churches Since after high school age so I cannot longer claim no guru no method no teacher I’m limited ability j w teacher and continuing daily studying along with the million hord from ibiza to the Norfolk broad rule Britannia is out of my bounds ……my mother ,dog & clown s , clinical study shown people with brain injury like mine are often left with shall we say off sence of humor 🤔😵💫