Why GM Is Getting Into Electric Boats
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2022
- Everything is going electric, including boats. General Motors recently invested $150 million in one start-up, Pure Watercraft, to build an electric pontoon boat. And several others are working to bring their own battery-powered offerings to market. Could boating be the next industry to go electric after cars?
Introduction: 2:00
Chapter 1, Electrifying boats: 2:10
Chapter 2, Electric boat start-ups: 4:10
Chapter 3, Demand and bigger vessels: 9:00
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I have a zero-emission watercraft. It's called a canoe.
me too, its called staying away from water because mother nature is mad at us
Isnt it funny how we are reverting back to the energy sources of the middle ages? Windmills, hydro and paddle power?
@@Xcerptshow Ironic, but a wise strategy.
i have one of those too, but trust me I personally am by no means zero emissions 💨💨💨
@@CarlittosWay Yeah, breathing is dangerous to the planet.
Great idea. I love sailing because of the quiet and lack of gas smell, but sailing is very restrictive. An electric boat would be great. Add solar and it'd be even better: you could maybe someday "sail" around the world without an actual sail. I've been impressed by GM's forward-thinking electric strategy.
Look at silent yachts you can aready
solar yachts are a thing. Turanor sailed the world years ago
I have an inboard electric motor in my 30 ft sailboat (Thunderstruck 10k). Great for getting in and out of marina. No smell and minimal maintenance.
Solar boats have been a "thing" now for over 30 years, and the majority of that time was using traditional lead-acid batteries. Alas, most people are more impatient than that.
@@ghostldr How do you like the Thunderstruck 10k motor? What kind of displacement does your boat have? I've been eyeing two 12k motor kits from them for my power yacht. Thinking of ditching gas.
I have an 22ft ex sailboat hull with two trolling motors, it charges itself every 2 days with a solar panel. Love the fact that it just works and is ready to go every time I want to go out.. No gas/oil maintance, no winter storage concerns. I wish someone could make a 2 kW motor, esc and battery controller for 1000usd. High end solutions like this is already developed to death.
Im thinking about doing this to my boat but also thinking it would be cool to do a diy conversion on an old broken down car and have it charge just enough to run to town.
i got a wooden barrel and a paddle thats all i need
Why not make a video on it? :)
I think it should be more about retrofitting older boats. The boating industry is much different than the car industry. People will be more likely to change the engine on a boat versus buying a new boat.
It will be. Custom crate motors will absolutely be a market.
@feeshyfeeshy buddy, idk what ur fishing on but anything for offshore fishing is gunna be a boat from the 250k range, while a pair of Suzuki 350s are like 65k total. Every capt ik would rather repower then get a new boat
It's not that easy to retrofit battery technology to a boat. Boats are rated at a given displacement meaning that they can only carry so much weight without sinking. Batteries add significant weight to a boat which severely limits the ability to add enough batteries to give you a significant range. That weight also tends to cut down the speed and as the late racer Sterling Moss once said, to add speed, just add lightness to a car. A third problem is that the batteries take up large amounts of space and boats are designed with a premium on the limited space available. Fourth, adding the batteries not only affects the overall weight of the boat, the weight must be distributed appropriately to match the original distribution or the boat won't ride well or handle the same.
Then you have the convenience factor. Gas powered boats fuel up in maybe five minutes. Electric batteries take quote a bit longer than that to charge up, generally from 2 hours upward to get a reasonable charge. For a recreational vehicle, losing 2 hours or more out of your day every time your charge is drained is just a wee bit inconvenient.
@@jamesdaniel1376 these problems will or have been solved
@@miketyson1717 That is a matter of faith. Reality is that they may or may not be solved. An inconvenient truth is that they have not currently been solved, thus the problems remain for the time being.
How about you come back and we can have an adult conversation if and when they solve the problems, not based on your wishful thinking.
I like this segment of CNBC. It tells a great story and advertising the companies behind it at the same time.
Just be careful that the actual facts are not distorted. As with the sales pitch in this video where lots of "facts" are incorrect.
@@grantadamson3478 👍👍👍👍👍
Nothing wrong with companies paying for the production of 'certain' news to promote their products... ... ... ... ... ...
@@j.thomas7128 So facts don't matter?
@@grantadamson3478 sarcasm is lost on you
Something like a big pontoon boat could have a solar powered roof that would provide shade/rain protection and add power back into the battery. Seems like a win win.
Check out Silent Yachts, they already are building solar catamarans utilizing this setup.
Would love that idea if solar panels can achieve the needed efficiency. We are not there yet. The amount of panels you would need to match the energy production with use would make that one ugly looking boat. Like the catamaran mentioned below.
@@nautidad well boats spend a lot of time sitting so could reasonably charge batteries during the week to party on the weekends
@@smarkwick7814 But to get some proper milage on the ocean you would need massive batteries. It is just not feasable at the moment.
@@Youbetternowatchthis Most boaters don’t go miles off shore. Electric boats fit better for lakes and near-shore boaters. But, solar canopies could enable off shore slow cruising. 8 340w panels could produce 2.7kw. That’s plenty to cruise a 30 foot cabin cruiser indefinitely at 5-10 knots. And, it would have plenty of power for short runs, like clearing an inlet.
I don't believe the switch to outboards was prompted by emissions control. Instead, it was based on maintenance and replaceability, pulling an inboard is extremely tough and most of the time requires damaging the cap of the boat to get it in and out. Outboard motors aren't an issue, just hook up a hoist, undo 4 - 8 bolts and pull.
Power to weight ratios come to mind
That guy sounded ridiculous, I’ve always owned outboards, inboards are incredibly hard to work on. What a jack ass on this video
Boats are excellent candidates for Vehicle to Grid (V2G) charging.. Sitting at a dock all day, it can charge during peak energy generation times, then pumping it back to the grid in the evening.
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@EB Indy Which is a better option
a. Having solar farms shut down/curtail during the day due to voltage rise because supply outstrips demand
b. Boats that are sitting at a dock doing nothing, soak up that excess energy and then pump it back into the grid, making money from the wholesale electricity price differential?
@@g00rb4u yeah but then you use up the batteries cycles up then your replacing batteries who pays that cost the batteries most likely have 1500 2500 cycles till it starts degradation
@EB Indy you didn't answer my question.
the grid pays. Here in AU, I pay wholesale electricity prices. During the day, the price goes as low as 5c/kWh then goes up at dinner time to anywhere as high as 60c. There are more extreme price fluctuations such as negative pricing (paid to consume power) and >$1 during supply shortages.
So let's say you control your boat via an app. For the most part, you set it to not charge >80% (for the health of the batteries). Each day it sits and charges when prices are 35c. Even a humble 5kwh a day of exchange, that's $1.25/day or $450/year
As a millenial, I can't even buy an electric car because I have nowhere to charge it. Can't afford a house, so I have to burn fossil fuels.
you will be burning fossil fuels for the rest of your life.
Try living in a civilized country, then you can charge it everywhere.
Dude there’s literally chargers for cars in every country in the developed world. Wtf are you talking about.
Love the synthwave soundtrack on this piece.
A few weeks ago I went on a fjord boat trip in Norway. The boat was a huge brand new all-electric boat. It was an amazing experience! Beautiful scenery but the boat was so smooth and quiet. It made it far more enjoyable to quietly glide in the water without needing wind or sails. Can't for this to become more commonplace.
Thats a great use of the intense Lithium investment, as opposed to people owning a private electric boat when they probably drive a petrol SUV!
Fjord, what is that... the Norwegian brand of "Ford"... ha ha... 😂
@@frankmontesonti5969 Clearly you don't know what a fjord is.
Seriously, you don’t get the joke?
Because they are late for the cars.
You stole my post.
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Elon started all this, without a doubt. If not, it would still be way behind in investors and brains.
You briefly showed a diesel smoke plume from a dragon boat in a Thai floating market. We've been there and it was not something I wanted to repeat. Electric boats would be much better! I do have problem with the concept of a 'sealed' anything. Mechanics will tell you that a sealed transmission for a 'lifetime' in a car usually means a reduced 'lifetime' for the car.
Yes Thats Also the Future , No Right too Repair your own Goods , he said Just Ring up and a van will come service it for you , Witch Esentually means you Don't own it your just leasing it off A huge Corperation GM
You will own nothing but you will be happy LOL
buy it now throw it away when you're done. that's where we're headed. fixing things has become more expensive than just buying new ones. and i'm not just talking about electronics.
@@briansmythe3219 Then you should rush out and buy a dictionary while can still get one then...
I can see weight being a problem for some applications with a electric boat motor but seems pretty cool especially if they incorporate some solar panels to help recharge
There are quite a few electric narrowboats on the canals in the UK. Mothership even makes a solar powered electric narrowboat. Catalina 30' sailboats can be had with electric motors.
If you live on a lake, an electric boat means no more hauling jerry cans down your lawn. And, unlike cars with range anxiety and every day use, boats often get used for similar time durations. So for instance, your friends show up, "lets go for a boat ride," you go out on the lake for an hour, then you come back. Its not like it needs to charge fast so you can get right back out there. (That might be true for like a ski boat, but generally, it seems like the perfect use case.) Also, since boats often have to be winterized and that's when they sit and start having issues, an electric boat will likely be considerably more reliable over the years.
Pretty sure the younger generation isn't buying boats because we know it's famously a terrible financial decision... not that we only want electric things...
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The younger generation, who famously only make great financial decisions.
@@coltonk7222 Considering all the things working against them, they are doing great. They also are grounded. I think they have a lot of potential. They see right through dysfunction and outright stupidity. I fully support them. Gen X. Work hard. Work smart. Fight fair. Be humble. Be grateful. Recognize our obligations for the gifts we have been given. Be kind. Be wise.
It is allso a matter of opportunity. If you live in a waterfron property and have accses to a boat slip. A boat becomes more alot more appealing
@@coltonk7222 Old people seem to have a near-monopoly on reverse mortgages, buying junk on the shopping channel, and email scams...
Oh, and timeshares.
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I’ve been wondering when we’d see this. A pontoon that San cruise straight up for 3-4 hours would do nicely for most family lake play days.
My current boat has a Merc 5.7 , which is basically a Chevy 350. Even when I’m out on the lake with friends all day long I barely go over one hour of actual cruising , and our lake is 22,500 acres. I’d be down for giving an electric pontoon boat a try. Just gotta get the cost down first.
There is a company called Torqeedo that you didn't mention, but they are producing electric boat engines since 2005. and today they are the market leader in Europe.
More money to be made?
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Great coverage. I’m on year 14 with an electric inboard on my 27’ sailboat. I wouldn’t have it any other way!
Tell us more. That sounds like an excellent combo system.
5:39 simply amazing how it cuts through the glass like that
There are a lot of companies working with solar / electric and also diesel /electric hybrids. At the high-end there is a cool company called Silent Yachts.
An electric pontoon seems like the perfect application for the current state of things if you’re in the market for the high end $50,000 - $60,000 boat.
If you’re not looking to spend that much, you can have a lot of fun on a very basic pontoon boat with just an electric trolling motor and 30ish HP gasoline outboard.
There are so many niches in the world of notating that electrics will fit right in.
Same. Just order the 100k pontoon and tell them to take the 45k motor off and put the 6k 30hp motor on lol
Most of those niches occur naturally inside the heads of LIE-berals - it does not seem to hurt them but it does limit their thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have to do is take my canoe out onto any Ontario lake in the early morning and watch the fishermen ripping along at HIGH SPEEDS using their gas motors until they reach some fishing hole and then they use their electric motors to sneak up on the fish!!!!!!!!!!
WHY does a fisherman need a boat that can travel at 60mph??? Are they afraid all the fish will escape?????????????
LIE-berals ENJOY harassing ICE car owners but they are CURIOUSLY SILENT about the amount of fossil fuel consumed in a summer by boaters - but then so many cottage owners are civil servants that LIE-berals refuse to bite the hand that feed them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And for those fishermen who want to troll deep waters for extended periods - THEIR CHOICE IS ALWAYS A SMALL GAS MOTOR - roughly 5 horsepower - which will be used INSTEAD of the 200 horsepower behemoth till the fishing is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in related news - LIE-berals EXPOSE THEIR HYPOCRISY YET AGAIN by whining about "subsidies" given to fossil fuel industry - and yet LIE-berals HAVE NO PROBLEM OFFERING ALL MANNER OF AID TO AIRLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!
The LIE-beral hypocrite view of fossil fuel is regulated according to whether or not LIE-berals USE the fuel for a specific purpose!!!!!!!!!!
This is why LIE-berals disdain US for using fossil fuel to heat our homes and to travel to work - yet LIE-berals see NOTHING WRONG with THEIR USE OF FOSSIL FUEL FOR THE SAME PURPOSES!!!!!!!!!
Maybe GM will have better luck with electric boats.
@@shepherdsknoll HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I WOULD NOT COUNT ON GM STOCK GOING UP THANKS TO ELECTRIC TOY BOAT SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boats are a LUXURY ITEM in a world were most people are worried about paying for food and rent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By comparison a LOT MORE PEOPLE NEED A CAR to get to work than there are people who need a boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If GM cannot make a profit in the MUCH LARGER CAR INDUSTRY - then their chances of making a profit in the much SMALLER boat biz look DISMAL indeed!!!!!!!!!!
@@shepherdsknoll I doubt it.
The best technology for recreational boats is wind power imo.
Absolutely. Electric comes from some where ?????? And it is not free. ????? Going up all the time ???????
Imagine if wind power boats become more popular & mainstream before electrical cars see widespread adoption
boats powered by wind is a job though..full time job. most ppl just wanna be on the lake or ocean and chill
@@davidgribble263 yeah wind, solar, geothermal, nuclear, lots of cheep harvestable energy
Aiayyy sailor!
I remember when Boeing tried to get into off-road vehicles with the Phantom Badger, after when they unrecoverably screwed-up the V-22. Didn’t work.
Interesting that your shot of a congested waterway is from the backwaters of the Chao Phraya river in Bangkok, Thailand which has already started to implement electric powered transport vessels, whereas, Sydney, a much more “Developed” city, hasn’t announced any plans to do the same.
Large marine vessels will use liquid hydrogen. So will smaller vessels that need long range. Batteries may be good enough for poking around on small lakes. This will work well with GM's HydroTec Fuel Cell products.
Many things are becoming electric now, and it begs the question: what about what these batteries might produce when they can't be used anymore? Is there something that can be reused? Honest question here.
Large batteries (EV's, boats etc) after 2nd life in stationary storage will get recycled as the battery materials are valuable. There are already companies gearing up for this (Redwood Materials for example). These batteries are not the same as phone or other small disposable batteries that are not worth recycling even though they could be.
90% of the material in these kinds of batteries are recyclable. I think this channel did an episode on battery recycling.
All batteries are recyable, and when using the hydrometallurgical process more than 90% of the elements can be recovered for reuse in new batteries. Large batteries such as EVs, grid storage etc will have a high recycling rate, but small electronics such as power tools, phones, toys is another story since the average person is absolutely horrible at recycling even if they have curbside pickup.
Li-Cycle (LICY) currently is North Americas largest lithium battery recycler and should be very big in the future so buy your stock now while it's cheap. ♻️💵♻️🤑♻️✌️
@@brucec954 what??? Small batteries not worth recycling. That's a complete lie.
@@andyjohnson3790 Just saying that most consumers don't bother
Wait wait, correction for 3:00.
They said that the coolant system is sealed and never needs topping off...
That means there is no way to maintain your coolant system. It's build to be disposable. Use it until it breaks, buy new.
Every system when it gets old, needs fresh coolant or it corrodes.
Let's replace all those small engines with electric systems. Marvelous useful tech and collaboration. One minute into the video, we see a small canal of what could be tourists in a SE Asian nation while the narrator states that "Boats and the engines they use can be big polluters." We know this. We are with you. We want to overcome reliance on the traditional gas-powered boat. Many small boat owners and operators, as depicted in that scene at 1:04, cannot afford a $50,000, $100,000 or $300,000+ boat. As much of the video extolls the virtue of reducing pollution and making more peaceful waterways, we can best do that by replacing all those small gas-powered, stern-drive engines with electric systems. And to do that, we need small affordable electric systems below the $10,000 or $5,000 mark.
I'd love to see an electric bass boat but I think that is a long way off. The weight of the battery or batteries necessary to supply 75hp or more would make the boat too heavy. Not to mention the possibility of running out od charge could be dangerous in a boat. You can always bring jerry cans with gas as an emergency fuel supply. In an electric boat you would be hooped.
Actually, you can bring extra battery packs in the purewatercraft outboards
Boat CEO : "boats for connecting with nature and connecting with friends"
Me earning min wage: I agree.
LOL, "density is up 7%, cost is down 7% a year", the last part he didn't mention is that their goal is to see density 500% than today and cost is down 90% than today. Which will take 100 years with current trend.
Honest question, once I trailer the boat to the lake, how do I charge the boat?
It's really a pleasure to listen to people who know their stuff like the gm lady.. Most companies would charge someone's of the marketing div to do those interviews
She's a PR script reader. I think it's even in her job title.
Love it!
Please bring down the prices.
Why is CNBC making these long advertisements?
I just got done building a solar electric pontoon. It's a lot slower than that, but it works for me.
Big problem with those type of systems is the weight and purchase cost... Just bought a 5.5m boat with a 115hp engine for 35k. the electric engine and battery alone for that kind of horsepower would set me back 100k. the battery would then be so heavy, it would exceed the maximum load on the boat. Also, range would be decreased by as much as 70 %...
Planes and Fast boats are unfortunately better off with traditional engines until we can find a good solution to replace the heavy batteries
BINGO ! This whole EV thing is such evil left wing totalitarianism......... The projection is supposedly "clean". But it is NOT! And dear god, the cost..... Not just purchase price but operational cost. It's one big leftist LIE.
All start ups technologies cost more when first starting out. Even the Prius was expensive when it first came out over 20 years ago and now it costs the same as other cars but just gets almost double the MPGs.
That's just with current battery technology which mainly relies on lithium cobalt. There are plenty of other battery solutions being made that are much lighter and theoretically have higher energy density. Not to mention for LARGE vessels the future is going to be hydrogen or biofuel. Beoing and Airbus are already working on developing hydrogen powered planes and biofuel powered planes. Then if we ever get fusion energy down and can some how turn in into a compact form then that would power cargo ships.
I have seen an eliminator with huge motor, like on drag cars, I actually rode in it. I will never ever take a ride like that again! Very scary
SHHHH logic ruins the lefty narrative, they like em smooth-brained.
Im really surprised we haven't seen hybrid container ships. Using a battery to help even out engird consumption, and using more efficient ways to generate the power on board rather than just running a humungous engine all the time..
Most if not all container ships are "hybrid" like this. The engine is only a generator to run the rotor. Their engines are upto 50 percent compared to a measly 25-35 percent of the most efficient industry leading car engines. They run at 100 rpm instead of the 1000s of rpm of smaller engines. They already do that.
It seems to me that large container ships and cruise ships would be ripe for disruption with small modular nuclear reactors. I think the roadblocks to this happening are more political than technological, but considering the cost of petroleum and how much petroleum a cruise ship uses, I would think a nuclear powered cruise ship could operate a lot cheaper.
You've probably never been on a large ship and are grasping with your feelings. With a container ship, everything is about every square inch. You cannot put large batteries on a ship and expect to turn a profit. On a small barge or a smaller container ship going a short distance? Sure. But why would you encourage dangerous lithium to be on a ship when water and lithium do not mix?
Ummm...container ships dont even burn the low sulfur fuel(they carry like 3 different types of fuel) when in open sea to save money. Do you think they are going to mix in electric on a mass scale?
They will test stuff(I think there is a prototype one built with special cylindrical wind mills on it), but until battery energy density raises significantly(no time soon) it is just a fantasy.
Batteries don't need to be much bigger than a fuel tank the problem with cars is that they weigh the same when they're empty.
POV you sink and all the sudden all the fish start floating up 😂😂
Who Framed Roger Rabbit was quietly about how GM dismantled electric trams/streetcars and forced their replacement with gas powered transit. The irony is clearly lost on them, I'm assuming.
So cool! I'm thinking about getting their bolt!
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Maybe after the recalls end you should.
With these prices of these boats. The only motornoating I am going to be doing is my wife's water bags.
And when your boat runs out of "green energy" you can sit and wallow on the water on a hot day, "wishing" you had some "real fuel" to get you back to dock. Maybe I will throw you a water if you're thirsty, but otherwise sorry, you signed up for it, you will have to live with it. Towing companies are going to LOVE you.
How many "extra" gallons of gas do you carry now? This argument is stupid, and was also spouted when the horse was replaced by ICE.
@@dankarau2307 it was not replaced with ice. It was hemp oil in the United States. But more $$ to be made with ice. And they wanted no competition. Plus got it outlawed.
Kind of ironic to see GM cooperate with electric boat companies after the "killed" the electric car back in the 1990s ;-)
It will work for some applications but it will be many years before they are able to meet the demands of a recreational boater. When your at the lake house for the weekend and you have to tell the kids that they are done tubing for the day because the boat has to charge....I don't think so.
It’s very cool to see GM stepping up to be helpful (obviously in hopes of gain) but could you imagine how much easier Tesla could’ve got going with that kind of attentiveness
The globalists don't like Tesla right now.
Kind of like way back when....the original Tesla wasn't liked by globalists back then either.
Tesla mega packs? Expanding into semis? Are you living under a rock lol
GM will screw it up just like they did with the new Blazer they can barely sell. No one wanted an AWD wagon they wanted a big V8 powered huge tired off-roader like they used to make., To prove the point, The Grand Wagoneer outsold the Escalade, the Bronco outsold the Blazer and almost tied with Jeep. People don't want this stuff, we want big V8s and a giant straw drilled into America, Let's go Brandon.
GM will screw it up like they did with the Volt electric car decades ago. They didn’t just drop the ball-they colluded with big oil to bury the electric car they developed back then.
Perfect - Now all you need is a good battery.
In the northern US, lakes freeze in the winter. How about a swappable battery pack module with snowmobiles or ATVs to get some year-round use and not lose life on the shelf?
another idea would be an electric boat with hydrofoils for the summer, that can be replaced with skis and tracks for the winter
Younger generation isn't buying boat BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD HOMES TO BEGIN WITH.
They could if they'd work but they're to good for work.
@@bvrsqzr3569 pfff, being hired by your dad doesn't count.
We can have a boat and motor home lol🥲
@@BeastOrGod kek I bought 2 brand new boats last year . And a brand new truck this year. Yall just lazy why do foreigners coming into the US be so successful when making a company ?
@@AmazonWebService98 um... because they use good grammar?
Nice video.
Seems good for people who have a ton of money but my HOA doesn't allow me to keep my boat at my house so I have to keep it stored somewhere. There are almost no places that have electricity where it's stored and on the water storage is extremely expensive. I guess I'll have to wait until so many people have electric boats instead of gas that the storage places basically have to come with electricity.
Great looking boats!
More on the way, I’m sure!
Keep your smiles on!
Truly the future.
ICE powered boats consume less than 1 % of the gasoline used in the US. They are not the environment disaster that many of these commentators allude to. If they knew their facts, they would be commenting about the disastrous mining operations needed to produce these low energy lithium batteries, which are also very difficult to recycle.
I think the main selling point isn't CO2 emissions, but things like noise, smell, and local pollution.
Ok tree hugger. The vast majority of the arguments for electrification of boats mentioned in this video have to do with operation of the boats and simply how much better they are compared to an ICE. No loud engine noise, no smell, no exhaust, instant torque, less maintenance, less moving parts, cheaper fuel, cheaper operating costs, and more fish around marinas because there is no gasoline contamination is why more and more companies are starting to electrify boats. It's mostly economics and physics, not trying to be a tree hugger like you.
@@ElectricGlider2016 Hey Snark. When you advocate for an electric powered boat, you are the disillusioned tree hugger. The only thing they are good for is crossing a farm pond or a narrow river; no long distance boating. The batteries will never have the energy storage of a gallon of gasoline. There are no real economic benefits to them. And the enviro damage they create thru mining operations is a disaster in the making. Its apparent you have not considered looking at photos of the slush ponds caused by lithium mining in Chile and elsewhere. As long as they are not in your back yard you think everything is great.
@@tigerseye73 you are obviously not experienced at this are you. You are the only one trying to bring in the "environment" aspect into this, not me or even this video. I acknowledge the mining "disaster" of lithium and I agree with you on that if you care about that so much..... But I don't care. You are the only one caring about it. Hence why you are the lame tree hugger.
I and the people in this video prefer electrification not because of some lame tree hugger agenda by some libtard, but simply because an electric motor is vastly superior to a gas engine for all the reason I already listed and is wildly known. And all of that does satisfy regular recreational boating which is the vast majority of regular people who own boats in the first place. Not going to try to explain how economics of eelctric is much better if you don't understand the basics of how gas is far more expensive than electricity especially right now since you're an amateur at this.
I'll simply say get off your tree hugger soap box and listen to people who actually know what they are talking about when it comes to actually engineering and economics.
You think you get range anxiety in a car. Try on the ocean! Coast guard is going to get sick of towing electric boats.
Now the boat with the BMWi3 battery is the boat everyone on a kayak or canoe wants to see as they're relaxing on the water or just fishing
Now that he mentioned it, I just realized the reason I don't like going on boats was the noise. I cannot wait for the day I hop into an electric boat.
wow bro, life is rough for you
They've made these really cool ones for 100's of years called, Sail Boats. Super quit 😉
The new out boards are less noisy and more reliable yes those old gas guzzling outboards are a damn nuisance. They even spill gas every where .
Two of my favorite things, high voltage electricity and water.
its not like boats aren't already full of electronics
Why does this stupid argument always come up with EVs from people with zero clue? It's just like how everyone whined about electric cars and "exploding batteries" except you know, they don't. Electric equipment and water is no problem at all, ask your local heavy diver about welding underwater.
Ev and this create solutions to no problem but challenge us to find solutions for batteries
Invest into SEATOW!! Boats are the worst thing people can buy and this will surely increase costs bigtime.. Electronics and salt don't mix
Trolling for trout would become a pleasant experience.
i think ill stick with my gas powered phone i don't trust electric phones
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good!
@@cyberoptic5757 it’s sarcasm by the way
How did this report miss Silent Yachts? They're already selling full sized, solar powered, modern looking Yachts! How cool is that?
Because it was paid for by gm
@@lesstevens2370 Ah good point. Didn't think about that.
It takes the attention away from GM EV car sales.
It takes the attention away from GM EV car sales.
Silent yachts have generator backups, they are all well over $1mill price, and there is no mass market product, or massive investment by a public company.
I agree, silent yachts are a cool product, but not an important CNBC story.
Besides, all the tesla trolls come out to spread lies every time GM is mentioned!
Can't get cars right, but now let's get into boats. Begging to go bankrupt
Boat that goes out of the water is amazing. Also much better for lake / river banks and fauna because of less wave erosion.
the prices on these products are nuts 16-25k for a 50hp outboard motor lol $300,000 for a boat with 4 hours of cruise time at 40mph.
1. I don’t want a pontoon boat.
2. I own a 21 ft bow rider (stern drive). I paid $23,000 for a 10 year old boat that only had 250 hours on the boat. I have zero interest in spending $300K on a boat. That would be financially irresponsible.
3. I want a boat that can handily pull a water skier or wake boarder or inner tube. Maybe an electric boat can do this job well. I don’t know. But I didn’t hear them talk about that. Boats are for recreation, not just sitting on them and doing nothing. If they didn’t specifically talk about the recreational use of boats (water skiing and wakeboarding) that means that they DON’T have a good answer for this. If they did have a good answer then that would have been a major part of the story.
4. When you have a family, you have multiple groups that will use the boat in any given day. A family of four means two kids use the boat with their friends individually from their siblings. Then mom and dad want to use it. Buy the time mom and dad get to it, there is no charge left in the batteries and it will take hours to recharge. No thank you. I am not interested in that. With gasoline, we pull up to the fuel dock and fill it up in 5 minutes.
5. I mentioned above that I paid $23,000 for a very good used boat. I did also pay $750 to fix a couple of things. If I were to buy a used 10 year old electric boat, that would mean that the batteries would need to be replaced costing a ton of money (thousands of dollars I am sure-probably more than $23K). Again, it is too expensive.
6. When you replace the batteries or dump the boat because it is at the end of its life, there is now the horrible environmental impact of getting rid of the batteries, probably at another high cost to the owner. No thank you. Not a responsible way to spend my money.
7. The media talks a mean story about electrifying. Well, the infrastructure in the USA is not set up for this. And the first thing the government will say is, “hey boaters, we can’t make enough electricity to power America so all boaters are not allowed to charge your boat this month. That is unacceptable. But hey, if AOC wants to charge her boat when others are not allowed to, that will be OK. She is a hypocrite.
Again, this story didn’t talk about all these issues I bring up. That’s because they only want to bring out the sunny side of this story. They NEVER EVER talk about the bad part of electrifying.
Preach on my brother.... Everybody's got a one track mind about going electric but they never think about the cons of doing so we don't have the infrastructure they haven't brought the price down on EVS now you want me to spend 300K on a damn boat hell I can't even swim LOL.... I'm still waiting on the price of EVS to go down in the range to go up... I think it's nothing more than a money grab so opportunity to charge more than you would necessarily charge for the same products simply because they're electric...
Your use case is not a good electric candidate (big, go fast, use rarely). I want small, light, go anywhere, go far, so solar electric is a great development.
BTW -batteries are the expensive part, but they can be used to power your home when not powering the boat.
@@skyak4493 "I want small, light, go anywhere, go far" the application has existed for centuries... it's called a paddle...
Imagine the irony when we have electric oil tankers lol
that x shore boat looks really cool
I am fascinated with the idea of electric boats. What I am not fascinated with is anything that has to do with GM.
Smart move GM, if the boat engulfed in flames, water is readily available to put out the fire.
gonna be a lot of boats with people attempting to paddle back to shore with what ever they can cobble together if they did not bring oars with them. better start putting sails and learning how to use them on such boats and have some large oar systems stored under the deck that can be set up if there is no wind and the electric system fails as they often do.
What happens if a battery leaks from a sunken boat and can’t be recovered for long period of time
What impact will it have on wildlife
A lot less then the gas and oil that leaks everyday with gas powered ones
GM makes horrendous electric vehicles
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That's why they're making electric boat 😂😂😂😂
Yes I know boat are classified as vehicles I'm not stupid.
You could say the same thing about Tesla generation 1 of theirs... first generation is always give and take, but then the cons are worked out and the price is lowered in gen two.
The,Bolt is one of the most efficient evs produced today!
Gotta start somewhere. They will get better over time
We use electric fishing boats all the time at Livermore Lake. It's all that's available for renting.
it suits that purpose perfectly. being silent and stealthy
It's called an electric trolling moror and it has been around forever. use 2 and you move pretty good and you can get them at walmart.
how do did you miss the silent yacht
I think we need to do so much more to improve the environment. However, I think we need to be honest in looking at the entire Carbon footprint. e.g. stating these are zero emissions water craft is misleading, in that electricity, batteries, transmission lines, manufacturing, etc... leave a carbon footprint .
lol there is and never will be such a thing as free energy unless some miraculous pipe dream like fusion becomes a reality, but we will all be dead most likely by then
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A huge carbon footprint.
@martin barlow and that is all that matters. All those poor minority people living around the coal power plant don't matter.
Why don't you worry about them? Almost sounds like you are a elitist and a racist person.
@martin barlow have you ever seen what mining does to the watershed around it?
nevermind the fact that electric is about $0.35 per Kw/H at the dock, normally 3x normal rate
Ok why do all electric vehicles have to look futeristic like just make it look normal
General Dynamics has had an Electric Boat division in Groton, CT for MANY YEARS...
Can I buy a mini-nuke to power the electric motor in my 20' boat?
I would love to buy one of these instead of a gas one
Why do you want a coal powered boat? That is at least a hundred year old technology. Gas is so much cleaner.
Only GM would bet millions on boats just before a recession.
I see another government bailout coming.
Recessions do not last forever!
@@gmv0553 not when there's always a government bailout.
@@tira2145 they are the bank!
Brilliant!! Giant batteries in the water lol. We’ll see how this does. It will be awhile before the cost is fair.
1:46 nothing says "nature" like being surrounded by people... i wonder how an electric boat is inspected/treated for ANS? as a former boat inspector, the only way to properly disinfect a boat was to use 140F water... and would the boat be considered inboard or outboard? because the procedures are different. moreover water and batteries is generally a bad idea... what happens when an electric boat sinks?
another question. how much does a new battery cost?
replaces up to a 40-50 hp gas outboard motor?? that's very small. bass boats often have 200 hp motors...
also, why is his electric pontoon boat listing so badly?
Their claim of no maintenance is wrong. Every battery has a shelf life and battery replacements are in the thousands of dollars. Not to mention we are under a world wide shortage of aluminum and other strip mined materials which is leading to a battery shortage on top of the chip shortage we are already facing. Huge no to these boats
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Tesla has vehicles on the road with over 400K miles with zero need to replace batteries. No ICE vehicles can reach 400K miles without a major (costly) rebuild or two. New battery technology can achieve 1M miles.
Yeah pollution is an issue, but that's like one of the last reasons you should go electric. 90% of a combustion engines power is lost in a boat. Maintenance is expensive and tedious, engines are expensive and loud, require lots of oil and parts. Diesel on water is expensive AF, and these engines use a lot for short distances. Combustion engines can't get any more cheaper.
The list can go on, solar sail or tiles can charge batteries, you can save a fortune going electric.
The only issue is weight and drag, when electric boats will be mainstream, most probably light aviation will be the next big thing to go electric.
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There are other issues like power output vs ICE engines and things like that. Range. Batteries being submerged in water if a boat sinks, or batteries exploding from erosion or being damaged. Its not quite that simple
the only flaw in that logic is i can spend alot of money on gas (like a lifetime worth) for the price of a new ev boat. so theres no money saved going electric. your not far off the efficiency numbers for an engine but do you know the efficiency of turning coal to heat, to produce steam, to turn a generator, then power thru a power line, thru transformers and into your boat charger? because lets remember your little solar panel on the dock will take a month to charge your huge ev batteries. your gonna have to use grid power for that. so you have just transfered pollution not eliminated it. as far as costs, im a marine mechanic, i fix boats for a living. parts are pertty cheap and easy to find. fuel is everywhere. how bout the ev? where you gonna find parts for that? dont recall seeing any on water charging stations either (somthing about water and hydro dont seem to mix). that said im all for ev boats. i think the little dingys that putt around the marina could be ev. or short distance ferries ect. but the ev thing just isnt there yet for "everything" to be electric. otherwise it would have already been done. gas and diesel arent going anywhere anytime soon
"you can save a fortune going electric" ...by spending TWO fortunes and then having a worthless vehicle in ten year when the battery needs to be replaced...
@@mmm-mmm Hei, in 10 years batteries will be much more affordable. Look at how the price went down in the last 10 years.
As a point of reference, check out people putting new, better, bigger, cheaper than OEM batteries in Nissan Leafs.
In 10 years we will be experts at sourcing materials, building batteries and recycling them. It's all good.
I'm assuming just like electric cars, they have horrible range and the cost of purchase+ownership is unaffordance for most people.
"400 watts about 4 old light bulbs" - buddy needs to learn how to math because those bulbs were about 40 watts and 4 times 40 is 160 NOT 400 LOL
lol... how "old" do you think he was talking? you can still buy 400-W bulbs. i think he was trying to be metaphorical. but it doesn't really work when your example can mean anything!!!
Electric vehicles have “zero TAILPIPE emissions” but system level emissions is waaay higher than gasoline.
"system level emissions is waaay higher than gasoline"
No they aren't. They never where, but for some reason this ten thousand time debunked nonsense just keep being regurgitated by EV-hating ignoramuses.
@@seybertooth9282
It’s probably because the EPA says so to push Made in China LED lightbulbs. “Every 25W saved by an American household saves the emissions of 800,000 cars.” EVs are 600,000 to 1,000,000 Watt appliances.
If everyone bought just one EV, that’s the equivalent of adding 20 billion gasoline cars emissions, just to account for America which is 4% of the population.
OH NO. Not another GM partnership with a start up! :D (I suspect this one might actually be real)
GM partners with yet another start up; What could possibly go wrong?
Lithium recycling batteries will be huge
You’ll have to pry my dead cold fingers of my GM powered 502 cubic inch fossil fueled powered boat before I go electric lol
I've had boats for over 50 years. Salt water and electricity does not mix well. Salt water is a great conductor of electricity. What could possibly go wrong? Zap! I'll take my Yamaha 200 two stroke all day. It's on a Grady White boat. It holds 90 gallons of gas and has a range of about 200 miles. I don't want an electric boat that can only last 4 hours. When I got out, it could be for days.
Gasoline boats are a great hobby! You are always working on them!
How does the electricity you recharge your battery with get generated? lol. Its not zero impact, and wind/solar will never be efficient enough to replace old school fuels. It kind of reminds me of a pipe dream honestly.
Only way to convince people is when it all fails with NO fuel backups and lots of people die.. These people are so dumb they put all their eggs in one basket
Inefficient how? Sure the utilization of photos to make electricity is not efficient when you look at what it could be doing but stepping back and looking at the entire process they make far more electricity in their life time than it takes to produce the panels themselves. Unlike gas which is gone when you use it.
Plus nuclear fusion is the future source of power, the ultimate energy generation.
The problem with electric boats is range. Unless you have a robust onboard charging system electrics are very range limited, this is somewhat OK in a car ... not so much for a boat. These particular motors are far less powerful then comparable gas or diesel ... ~24MPH, and if you cruise anywhere near that top end the battery drains FAST. Add any electrical/electronic systems (stereo, radar, chartplotter, lights, etc.) and that is a further drain on the battery. This tech isn't nearly mature yet but it is worthwhile as long as you understand the trade-offs.
Would really like to see what could be done with a hydrogen fuel cell.
yean, the electric trolling motor on my brother's boat goes fast. also, what is the "out of juice plan"? you can get fuel from another boat in an emergency, but juice?
Nothing like enjoying the v8 sound on a boat going full throttle.