Mark Price & Brad Daugherty: The Great Cavs Tandem before LeBron and Kyrie | Disregarded Duos by FPP
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- The Cleveland Cavaliers began their NBA existence in 1970 and employed some early greats such as an aging Nate Thurmond, Austin Carr and World B. Free. Unfortunately their biggest claim to fame in the beginning was the guy running the team, Ted Stepien, whose love for trading away first round picks inspired the creation of the “Stepien Rule”. But in 1986, the Cavs had a dream draft and acquired swingman Ron Harper, point guard Mark Price and Center Brad Daugherty, with the latter of the two becoming franchise legends and forming a great inside - outside and transition tandem. The Cavs started slow, but with the acquisition of all star Larry Nance and development of guys like Craig Ehlo and John “Hot Rod” Williams, they became one of the premier team’s in the NBA’s Eastern Conference. In 8 years, Price and Daugherty helped lead the Cavs to 6 playoff appearances and a conference final in 1992, while being selected to 4 and 5 all star games respectively.
It seemed that they had plateau’d as no matter how hard they tried they always found themselves losing to Jordan and the Bulls in the playoffs, but then you also wonder how good they could have been if Price and Daugherty wouldn’t have missed major time in back to back seasons and Daugherty wouldn’t ultimately have had to retire from a chronic back injury in his prime at just 28 years old. This team as a whole is one of the forgotten teams in NBA history as they never had a true superstar, but did have 3 all stars in the same year on two separate occasions. Price’s 3 point shooting accuracy and volume, which would see him win two straight three point shootouts in the mid 90s, was so ahead of his time to the point that you could compare his shooting game to Steph Curry, and this was the perfect complement to Daugherty’s phenomenal inside post game and touch around the basket.
Recency bias has everyone remembering LeBron James and Kyrie Irving as the only great Cavs duo, but as many know before LeBron and Kyrie; there was Price and Daugherty…
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the Harper for Ferry trade was a bad deal made om part because they felt Harper was hanging with a bad crowd. Also the KJ for Nance trade was a rare deal that worked out great for both teams
Yup facts
Thanks for that explanation. I was only 14 back then but I never understood why The Cavs gave up Harper back then.
Thanks for that explanation because that trade sent them back years. I am a Chicago fan and I am not sure if the Bulls win all those titles with that team intact and healthy. Ron Harper was a beast and they had other weapons. SF maybe was their greatest weakness.
@@michaeltukes6757Mark Price had one leg, Larry Nance was turning 92yrs old, and Bad back Daugherty was only good for a few plays…. They wouldve never beat the bulls
This 90’s team was so balanced and promising! Imagine having Larry Nance, Hot Rod Williams, Brad Daugherty, Mark Price, Craig Ehlo, and Ron Harper all on the same team! Gritty, smart, full of talent, and clutch shooting when needed. Just sad that that MJ and the Bulls were in the same conference. Otherwise, Cleveland would definitely have multiple championships. Magic Johnson once called these Cavs the team of the 90’s.
NONE OF THEM IS HOF OR SUPERSTAR. JORDAN PLAYED VS WEAK CAVS THATS NOT CHAMPION. WHERE IS RINGS VS BIRD ?
@@PIP...33 I get that, but I think that the Cavs were a more balanced, all-around better team than Michael Jordan’s 80’s Bulls. He did have Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant, but they were young and not playing to their full potential. Besides that he had good role players in Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, e.t.c. , but the Cavs had a Hall of Fame coach in Lenny Wilkens, a good veteran scorer in Larry Nance, a good role player in Craig Ehlo, a young and capable duo in Brad Daugherty and Mark Price (during the 80’s, both averaged close to 20 points a game and for their careers, were selected to the all-star team a combined 9 times), and great defensive presences in Hot Rod Williams and Ron Harper. Michael Jordan was truly the determining factor for the Bulls to win that series, and he was the reason that the Bulls always beat the Cavs, but without him, Bulls don’t even make it to the playoffs, and if he missed that finals shot in Game 5, Cavs could go on to beat the Pistons and win the Championship. With a team as great defensively as the Cavs were, and the fact that they would have had to attack multiple guys that were threats, instead of one big threat in Michael Jordan, I give the Cavs a good chance.
@@PIP...33art of that is because their stars couldn't stay healthy. Daugherty retired after 8 seasons. Price had a ton of injuries. He wasn't on the cavs at the time, it was only a month after he was traded to the Clippers that Harper tore his ACL. Why are you writing in all caps?
@@PIP...33derrrrrrrrr. That's you fuck face
Mark Price was my dude back in the day! Extremely underrated.
NO HE IS NOT. DUDE CANT JUMP REBOUND PLAY DEFENSE HE CAN ONLY SHOOT.
@@PIP...33 Mark Price was a top 10 PoInt Guard during this era..He revolutionized splitting defence Shooting matters in every Era.. That's literally the most important aspect of basketball 🏀
@@PIP...33
This is why media is racist against White players, they always get labeled "unathletic" no matter what. When the reality is that Mark Price was the fastest NBA player for a time in the late 80s before his leg injury.
And Larry Bird was just as fast as any other man his size in the 80s, especially with the ball in his hands
Huh, before the knee injury, he had great bounce off the floor. His athleticism allowed him to split double teams and break the other team's D down. "Can't play defense"? He had OVER 900 steals in his career! His assists are on every highlight video of him. Him getting out on the break was terrifying for the other team. Listen to Isaiah Thomas talk about him. Saying he could only shoot is an uninformed absurd evaluation of Mark Price!@@PIP...33
Mark price was one of the best 3 point shooters of his era
ALSO HE CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE.
Price was absolutely fearless, a complete rat in the best of ways. Him and Stockton were of similar stock - stocky short dudes, with a very infected chip on their shoulder, incredibly strong for their size and extremely talented. A joy to watch.
I always thought Daugherty's game is the precursor to Tim Duncan and I always say Price was like a pre cursor to Curry (pull up three off the dribble). Not the same level but there are some similarities between all of them.
Mark Price is so underated
For people that who were wondering Brad Daugherty's game was similar to Tim Duncan
He looks more like him
Hey I enjoy this channel. You should do a feature on Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Big Z was very under rated.
This is a real basketball channel. Strictly unbaised analysis.
The Cavs drafted Price, KJ, and Brandon...that team knew how to draft pg's
LEBRON WAS PG FIRST YEARS , IRVING TOO
Keep the content coming man, there's massive growth for this channel coming right around the corner
Coming from a Pistons fan, The Cavs used to really make me nervous & deep down, I thought The Pistons were going to lose to them back in 89. I never understood why they gave up Ron Harper for the rights to Danny Ferry. That killed them.
Ferry was younger and Harper was always injured
@@bennisford1712 really??? I don't remember him being injured with The Cavs
@@terrancewoods3463 Ron had a bad knee
@@bennisford1712 I just learned something new. I was an early teen back then. I just knew that squad was loaded
@@terrancewoods3463 yup yup... they were loaded... just think 🤔 history might be different if he guarded MJ on that last shot in 89. He begged his coach and he said no Ehlo🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
This channel single handedly has the absolute best basketball content! And it's not really even close!
As a Suns fan I loved Larry Nance but you have to give up something to get something. The Suns also got Cleveland's 14th pick in that trade which they used on Dan Majerle so it was one of those trades that worked out for both sides.
A deadly pick in roll duo with Mark and Brad on the Cleveland Cavs. Very Underrated.
Bro i love your channel you give flowers to some of the best players of a forgotten era because people think MJ was just beating bums
Love these videos. So much talent that gets forgotten and good to shine light on the player(s) in these videos.
Other magnificent duo Dat get lost in thought cuz they played in da Michael Jordan Era.
a bit of an error, the cavs fell to the 3rd seed in 89 and faced the 6th seeded bulls instead.
I'm so glad for this video. I'm from Cleveland and mark price was my favorite player. I even pattern my whole game after his.
Great duo and a great channel 😊
Honestly, both of these dudes deserve their own videos, tho I am happy you are covering price
Great Video bro....
Subbed. You deserve it. Keep up the good content and doing your thing, I look forward to your vids.
.... just gonna say this. your the best. thank you.
Thank you
The Cavs really messed up trading Harper
As a longtime Cavs fan, Brad Daugherty is my all-time favorite Cavaliers (Kevin Johnson technically would be but spent most of his career on the Suns.)
I always feel like the Ron Harper trade and the rise of Jordan prevented the Cavs from becoming the team of the 90s. Those Cavs team are underrated and were a great team that unfortunately dealt with the wrath of Jordan and the Bulls.
Fire SHOULD DO MOOKIE BLAYLOCK
Mark Price in NBA Live was a great to shoot 3s with.
That Cavs team had some ballers on the squad
Great video. Thanks. I will take issue with your statement that Mark Price recovered "fully" after his knee injury. I think he only came back to about 70%. That bounce off the floor, and changing directions on a dime were never again as dynamic. He couldn't split the double teams as easily anymore. Now, he was still very effective after the injury but more dependent upon his guile than athleticism. I think, without the injury, he's in the Hall of Fame.
Underrated duo
Latrell Sprewell and Andrew Toney vids next
That early90s Cavs was amazing, east was strong that time bulls knicks
Do Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning the first Heat power duo!
What about Scott Skiles or nick Anderson
Mark Price is one of three guys in the 90% plus free throw percentage for his career. Steph Curry is #1 followed by Steve Nash and then Price.
Mark price was like a mix between John Stockton and Steve Nash, and Daugherty was like Tim Duncan with a bit more flair. Those late 80's-early 90's Cleveland teams were literally a young prime MJ away from possibly getting to a finals. Trading Harper was one of the worst trades maybe in NBA history and even tho they got to the ECF in 92, they were never as good without young Harper who could legit compete against MJ on both ends of the court.
3:12, correction, Len Bias was the 1985 ACC player of the year.
Can you do Mookie Blaylock
So Glad that Trio made an ECF
It’s fitting Vs Jordan whom just
did what He did
& had always done,
which We got to see since a Freshman in College 🐐
Yea those late 80s Cavs team were good
Yes let us not forget Ehlo…!!!
WILT CHAMBERLAIN FACED 9 HALL OF FAMERS. WHOS EHLO ??
@@PIP...33Expire
To this day I refuse to acknowledge any person as “GOAT” unless they’re name is Mark Price
Price walked so curry could sprint at light speed
I wonder what would have happened if they had kept Kevin Johnson and allowed him to become the really good point guard that he became. Still that was a nice tour you had to get past some very tough teams including the perennial Eastern conference champs in Boston. That's the Bad boys Detroit team along with a really good 76ers squad and of course the Chicago bulls. Cleavon was always the odd team out.
That Cavs team was loaded. Too bad they ran into MJ, and Daughtety had such a short career
LOADED WITH SOLID PLAYERS . TONKI KUKOC IS BETTER THAN ALL CAVS PLAYERS AND HE IS 6TH BULLS MAN
@@PIP...33pass away
These two would've definitely been the best duo in Cavs history if it wasnt for Lebron and Kyrie.
Hell ya go cavs
Mark Price.
Easily consistently in my top 3 favorite non-Knicks (actually, easily a bigger fan of this guy than about half of the players on my Knicks on my 36 years watching them/NBA lmao
--- VASTLY underrated player, even in his era. Look up one of those "former NBA players talk about Price & his shot" videos or like, "mark Price as told by his peers" or some shit.... that's always, for ME at least, the best way to either learn more about one of ur favs of ur fav team, or about someone's game you don't know all that much about....
I'd bet my lucky 4th teste that he'd be KILLING IT in today's NBA. He played more or less like that back then, imagine this dude was just entering college now, having grown up in the "3 pt revolution????" He ne a 60/50/90 guy lol...
Fun fact (and when I say FUN I mean painful, doubly for me as such a big fan of his AND as a long time Knicks fan)--- in just about any and every simulation I do (NBA2K, Strat, that "what if" website, forget the name, and shit even AI now), the Knicks beat the Rockets in 1994, if they come thru on the heavy rumors of the time, that we were trying to acquire Mark Price as our PG, but wound up with Derek Harper--- still a very good player and one of my fav Knicks.... but Price would've been arguably the most explosive, exciting Knick since Bernard King, and joining up with Prime Ewing, The Towers of Death, Mase & Oakley, AND being a professional PG that could not only reel in Starks but match and BETTER him, 3pt shot for 3pt shot???
All while playing pesky D, and having Ewing to bail out everyone or play the in & out game with???
Even if 94 finals went 7 vs Houston, Price's ability ALONE puts out that 3-17 or whatever the F it was from Starks, more or less costing us the game.... not only would he have looked AWAY from that chucker, leave HIS SHOT open from 3 a dozen times like Starks?? He's dropping 18 to the dome without any other scoring
GodDAMN I wanted Price that year ... id run to the front door and grab the NY DAILY NEWS off my stoop and instantly flip to the back sports page to see if I woke up to the dream 😅😅
The Cavs were a good late 80's to mid 90's team but just like Milwaukee and Atlanta, teams like those could never get past Philly, Boston, and Chicago during that era no matter how hard they tried. I think the Cavs should have had a backcourt of Kevin Johnson and Ron Harper and traded Mark Price to Phoenix instead IMO. Now imagine that backcourt playing the Bulls. Or better yet, not make the trade with the Suns. Now imagine that squad against the Bulls with speed, quickness, and physicality to compete. But to be honest no one was beating the Bulls anyways and Price was probably a better floor general. I just remember Kevin Johnson single-handedly torching my Lakers in the 1990 WCSF playing for the Suns which nobody ever talks about.
the 76 and 92 cavs reached the conference finals and i'm NOT certain why but they lost in the 93 semi finals with them still having their head coach be lenny wilkens and then missed the playoff in 97 and lost in round 1 in 94 95 96 and 98 going 2-12 including a 106-83 loss to the knicks led by patrick ewing in game 1 of 96 and a 106-77 game 1 loss in 98 to the pacers led by star reggie miller and please tell me who you all feel has a more elite history between the bulls and bucks and please tell me who you all feel was more legendary between michael jordan and a guy i still LOVE named kareem abdul-jabbar
I have always wondered how this cavs team would have fared against the Bad boys had they beat the bulls. I may be mistaken but didn't they do well against the Pistons in the regular season? I know the postseason is a different animal and my gut says the Pistons still win in the end but the Cavs were fairly balanced. As a team they were actually better than the bulls. MJ was just on a mission to win that year.
The suns and the cavs of this period were my 2 favourite teams back then
If Dougherty was "that guy", they could've gotten past mj at least once
Disregarded Duo : Chauncey “Big Shot” Billups & Rip Hamilton 🔥2000s
I guess Cleveland loses out on the best draft ever by a technicality. Officially they didn't draft Mark Price but instead traded for him on draft day. If you could say that you drafted Brad Daugherty and Mark Price along with Ron Harper in one draft then I think that may be the best draft ever. They could still say that they had the best draft day ever I'm sure I'm forgetting about somebody who may have done better. Oklahoma City definitely gets the best three drafts in a row award with Kevin Durant followed by Russell Westbrook and then James harden. That's three years in a row that are pretty hard to top. No championship came to either Cleveland or OKC from either of those incredible drafting moments.😊
This duo played absolutely 0 defense
If they would had Paul Pierce at SF imagine how far they would’ve gotten.
Facts bro would never been a Jordan era
Maybe. But Pierce didn't come into the league til end of the 90s. After this team was broken up or retired.
Some teams or players just have your number sadly this Cavs was just built for the Bulls to defeat Jordan feasted on their backcourt and the Bulls team d shut their best players down everytime they faced
Eric Murdock N Lee Mayberry
With Todd Day
Bruh I never want to remember those memories we took Day over our hometown kid Sprewell then took Mayberry over Sprewell I'm glad Herb Kohl is gone that man didn't have a clue what basketball was he ran Milwaukee into the ground
Trading Ron Harper was all bad
But… Harper did get some injuries in LA . So….
But Still …
Trading Kevin Johnson …. Eww Wee
But it actually made sense with that team , being they had Mark Price and getting a good PF with bounce in Larry Nance worked out well for both sides
KJ was Dope though
You should do K J next
That Man is definitely underrated
Especially after the ish He’s done post NBA
No Bueno
But PH in PHX Eww Wee
KJ was Nasty as That Dunk on Pat
Made an NBA Finals trip with Chuck & Majerle
To lose to 🐐
You should do KJ next
and Dan Majerle after that
Dan Majerle could ball
Shoot that Tre and way more athletic than he appeared
Supposed to say
But PG* in PHX…. Eww Wee
Legendary Status
Not like they were unheard-of… they just never won anything so
"too slow..." wtf?
Price and Dougherty would be more like Nash and Amare.
AMARE IS 1 OF GOAT PF AND NASH 2X MVP. PRICE NOWHERE NEAR NASH.
@@PIP...33 clearly you never saw Price play then. Also, as much as I loved watching the Nash-Suns, Amare is nowhere near the top "PF Goats".
@@RetroKidThat's not a bad assessment. I think Dougherty though was a much more complete player than Amare. Nash is a little bit better of a passer than Price ( though he was no slouch), but both were elite shooters and fun to watch navigate around everybody.
@@rashb3994 when I watched Nash play, I was immediately reminded of Price coming off a pick for a long jumper. He was really good, and while Nash is Def a way better passer, Price was on his level as a shooter.
@@PIP...33Take thy life with your own hands
This Cavs team with Price Daugherty Nance was good enough 2 make the NBA FINALS but unfortunately ran into a brick wall with MJ & the BULLS
Bruh no they wasn't Chicago wasn't the only team that whip them
@@theetruth8626 I'm talking about playoff wise. They had pretty much everybody
@@alfonsogreen2722 that what I'm talking about they lost to Philly and Detroit also in the playoffs
@@theetruth8626 that was b4 the bulls
@@alfonsogreen2722 that Cleveland team got assembled in the 87 season that wasn't before the Bulls Chicago beat them in 89 that team disassemble the 94 -95 season
Is it weird that MJ took over
Once the pistons got old
Larry was back injured after this time as well the end right
And Magic stopped playing in 91 bcuz of aids
Came back for 92 then done
When did MJ start winning 🤔 😳
VS SOME GUY NAMED EHLO AND DWARF MUGSY BOGUES 5'2
Y’all hating on Jordan cause nobody in the 90s was fw him or the Bulls😂 keep crying over some shit 25+years ago
@@AwfulLotOfSmoke BIRD 6-0 !! VS REAL TEAM MJ NEVER WIN. ALSO U STILL DIDNT SHOW ME 1 HOF SUPERSTAR IN CAVS IT MEANS 90'SCOMPETITION WAS WEAK NOT THAT JORDAN WIN AS AN UNDERDOG
Bruh Jordan took over after the league got watered down by the 4 expansion teams Miami Orlando Charlotte and Minnesota
@@theetruth8626 VANCOUVER TORONTO MIAMI ORLANDO JUST MAKE NBA MORE WEAK CAUSING TANKING EVEN MORE. MOST NOTABLE BULLS 72 WIN 60% OF LEAGUE TANKED TO GET BEST PLAYER IN USA HISTORY ALLEN IVERSON AND BEST NBA DRAFT CLASS 96/97
They werent that good
Go back to school 🏫 John Pablo and stay off the percs
@@deebrown4744 when are you going to come out the closet ??
Calm down junior