Mary Bell: The 11-Year-Old Serial Killer
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"She was a very clumsy child, always falling down the stairs" - Yeah I knew immediately that those so-called accidents were just abuse.
I fell down the stairs about 50 times as a child
@@scenesbybri354 I'm so sorry for you. I hope you have found a safe and love-filled life now. We are all worth being loved.
@@lenasamzelius5530 what you on about? I was just a fucking dumb kid
@@scenesbybri354 Lena was saying that you where abused as a child.
@@badgerattoadhall I know, and I clearly wasn’t 😂
"If my kid becomes a serial killer that would be a bummer" is IMHO the understatement of the century.
I was thinking the very same thing XDD
*kind of* a bummer even, not completely a bummer 😂
I think if my kid became a serial killer I'd take my own kid out.
Don't abuse or neglect your kid and they won't be a serial killer. Don't leave them in a situation where they are being mercilessly bullied and humiliated in school and they won't be a mass murderer.
Facts
Teaching your kids "stranger danger" isn't enough as crimes involving children are usually carried out by friends of the family, relatives and neighbors.
That's because this stuff happens all for a reason. Society fails these people, not one catalyzed. As a society we need to be better and kinder so people get some sort of of positive influence and development.
Violent crime is normally committed by people you know, not by strangers and that goes for all ages.
Those crimes are perpetrated largely by close relations specifically because the 'stranger danger' concept, and ideas like it, have made children less likely to be involved in crimes by outsiders.
@@koolaidblack7697 since stranger danger became a thing the number of child abductions and other related crimes have increased. If it was as you say then the numbers should have decreased.
@@jasonoverman9679 That's not a reasonable conclusion at all. The stranger danger thing could easily have reduced the amount of abductions while other unrelated factors increased them gravely, resulting in a general increase.
I didn't know that open casket funerals were not the norm in the UK. I thought the request by Bell to see the body was reasonable and I was baffled by the response of the mother, so the followup by Simon was enlightening.
Same!
Open caskets are often offered. It's left to the family to decide. Even then it's usually family and close friends that go.
I've lost both my parents. I wasn't there for my dad passing, but got to say goodbye at the hospital. But I was there for my mum. And believe me it's not easy to get over, seeing a lifeless body. That's probably why it isn't as common now.
It may just be my age or modern sensibilities, but if a child came alone I wouldn't let them see the deceased. I may not of acted like the mother, but would of definitely called a parent.
When my grandparents died they were put in their homes while in the coffin for one night, the coffin was open for a while but they placed a strange kind of Hanker chief over their faces while the coffin was open, we were allowed to take the hanker chief off if we wanted to see their faces but we were strongly advised against it
@@Thorstendeal my grandmother passed last year and I was a Pallbearer for her with my cousins... well the thing is I was told she was cremated so I didn't prepared myself mentally to see her body and as we were driving 9 hours down I get told by dad "oh yea sorry I forgot before but 'mom' wasn't cremated and it's open casket." So I had a day to do my phyc check and I don't remember most of the funeral and everything is blurry besides me breaking the first time to full on tears are flowing down grave side to an aunt(?!) helping snap me out of it by guiding my fist couple steps and mentioning all the good family style food waiting inside. I personally HATE open casket because I don't want to see them one last time, that only leaves a corpse as your last memory.. but I suppose it was better than being in the room when Mom flat lined.......
Holy FUCK did it hurt to type all that out, still hurts and I almost stopped and deleted it all, but for the sake of my mind and "Therapeutic Bullshit Reasons" it is getting posted whether I want the to or not.
@@DANTE83100 for me the big difference is do I personally know them and have a relationship? I have been to many open casket funerals only a couple have broke me.
I was adopted at 12, but I spent my early years in a situation remarkably similar to Mary Bell's story--and the people who adopted me weren't much better (zealous religious cult-y people), and I feel reasonably certain that, without some of the school teachers who treated me kindly/encouraged my interests/told me I had 'worth,' I could've very easily turned out to be something like Mary Bell.
When you see a child who looks 'unkempt' or who behaves erratically or who 'claims crazy things', rather than teasing/making fun and persecuting the child for dressing differently or acting goofy, ask questions and be a positive force in their lives.
I def feel like a handful of my school teachers are the reason I ended up being okay.
Wow.
Glad you had positive influences somewhere, sad you needed to find them outside your family.
@@chesh1rek1tten It's weird how we really DON'T recognise what we're experiencing 'as' we experience it, but just a couple of junior-high and high-school teachers really were the ones to let me know that there was another interpretation to things (my family are members of a religious cult--which of course in hindsight I recognise as problematic, but I definitely didn't then). Talking 'reason' to these children can help them make sense of what surrounds them, and just give them something to 'hold on to' until they become adults and can explain for themselves and have someone take them 'seriously' because they're not a child.
In hindsight, those teachers weren't particularly insightful--they just paid attention to reality, that the rest of us were wiping away with platitudes.
It took me a long time, but I adjusted to these expectations and explanations.
Talking about it is unbelievably important!
Amen Sister!
Thank you for sharing with us. I'm so sorry that your families weren't up to the task of being proper parents, and so relieved that you had some great teachers looking out for you. We need to be better to kids.
I was born into a combination of your two situations, but I didn't have teachers or friends. I used books to get out and I would be dead by choice if it wasn't for my overwhelming need to keep my younger siblings safe. Then around 7th grade when other people started experimenting with other ways of "coping" in any kind of chemical way to make the world disappear, I found a book on Einstein's relativity. It was the same as doing drugs for me. It was my escape to a different world that regular books just couldn't do anymore. High school I tutored and took advanced classes until I was tutoring 60 people so my mind could never focus on what I was going through. Getting out didn't go well for me either, but for the last 3 years or so I've been ok. Covid has been the safest for me, weirdly. I hope when you got out you found someplace safe and good people. And I hope you have found some kind of peace. I'm still looking, PTSD is a bitch. So if you are still there, I get it. But I was way worse before. You'll make it. Keep your head up
Honestly, the most upsetting part about this was that Mary Bell's mother didn't seem to face any consequences? Mary Bell would have been in like 5th grade, but her mother was an adult and it was her horrific abuses that made this happen.
Couldn’t agree more and the tabloids buying stories off the mum while sentencing Mary to a life of harassment is just as sickening
It was virtually unheard of for parents to be charged with child abuse in those days, it wasn't really until the 80s that it become the norm that parents weren't allowed to beat their children and that children were believed rather than punished if they reported sexual abuse.
Why should she? Mary is a killer. Using abuse as an excuse for what she did is fucked up. There are a lot of kids who were abused far worse than she was and they don't become violent criminals let alone serial killers. Mary is the only one to blame for her actions.
@@roseedge5626 Child abusers should go to jail no matter how sane the kid ends up being, what the fuck are you talking about?
@@roseedge5626 someone else having it worse doesn't negate that the mother was a terrible person who should have also paid for her crimes. You know, the abusing your child crimes that broke the child's brain badly enough that she thought murder was a great thing to do to get attention.
Simon has never heard of keep away. I'm beginning to suspect he was never a child. He probably just flared into existence in front of a video camera one dark and rainy night.
It has different names in different places.
I'm somewhat surprised that he's unfamiliar with that specific name but...
In any case, my wife grew up playing "monkey in the middle" and complains that she was always the "monkey in the middle"
@@d_jedi1 Monkey in the middle is more of a game and keep away is kind of mean. Like when a bully grabs someone's hat and tosses it to other people until they have to be beaten without mercy. That's what I thought anyway.
@@mma1st105 nope, it's exactly the same thing.
It's all "keep away" just parading under different names.
I have confirmed this with my wife and all of her siblings and cousins.
Or Simon was the bully… nah
Brit here...i grew up calling it piggy in the middle 😆 lol
Simon: I know you shouldn’t blame the parents.
Me as a psychologist: Well……
In her case I agree, that her mother and the others who abused Mary were to blame. But I’ve seen cases where there were people who weren’t abused by parents but chose to kill people. So I think it depends on the case. But that’s just my perspective. I’m not a psychologist, Myself.
My step sister was Denise Naslund and I was 11 years old when she was murdered by Ted Bundy.
I remember when I went back to school that one of the kids in my classroom would kill mice and hamsters and hang them under my desk.
This happened like 3 times and the teacher of our class room was completely disinterested in the killing and staging of these animals.
It freaked me out and I got pulled from the class and moved to another class and the kids in school made fun of me.
Needless to say this still affects me today. The 70's was a weird time
Bullshit
That's horrible kids can be cruel I'm sorry you had to go through that
That's awful. I'm so sorry for you, your sister, and your parents. The teachers should have taken steps, because that's thoughtless but next-level cruelty.
Thats truly horrific im sorry that happened to you, my daughters friends mother was also the auntie of the last 16 year old victim of the moors murderers who was killed in their house with an axe in front of another 17 year old boy, he was so terrified by witnessing this he called the police and they were caught with the body upstairs in the house
Very weird. I hope you're okay these days and have been able to kick that kid in his most treasured anatomy parts (The teacher, too)
If you haven't, buy some rusty scissors, track him down, and castrate him...Oh, okay maybe buy a gag too!
On a more respectful note...
I'm very sorry for your loss. It must multiply existentially because of the publicity. Every anniversary date that crops up, every murder of any girl of a similar age, must renew your pain.
I hope n pray Denise's death has become a bittersweet memory for you and that you're not being twisted up by reminders.
Internet hugs n love from Down Under xo.
I was a kid in the 60s, and let me tell you, my mother definitely carved the idea of stranger danger into her children’s delicate psyches. She was a child of the 30s, and the Lindburgh baby kidnapping had made such a huge impact on her that she was convinced anyone could be whisked away and murdered at any time without constant vigilance.
I was a kids in the 60s in the Bay Area, during the zodiac killer rampage, the Berkeley rapist and the kidnapping of Patty Hearst. My mom was unbelievably paranoid, the way she acted when the doorbell rang, you'd think she was wanted by the police, she'd just panic! Worse, at my dad's bank, a colleague of his wife and children were kidnapped and held for ransom, which the bank paid...for months afterward, my sister and I were under secret surveillance by some agents to see if someone would come after us. I knew I was being followed to school, etc., but my parents never told me what was going on. It made me seriously untrusting...
Child of 60s we knew the rules and stranger danger. Difference is we as kids were expected to follow safe practices and care for each other outside. Parents did their thing. As a cute Lil blonde kid in elementary school I had a 20min walk alone to school. Many times men alone in cars pulled over offering a ride. Many hot days it was tempting...but i followed the rules. Never even told my parents when it happened.
@@joywebster2678
Strange, weird men were an unfortunate fact of life for everyone then, we were taught the same, follow the rules, only take a ride from a good neighbor or relative. I don't think anything has ever changed in a few hundred years, there are scary people and nice people, and instead of sanitizing everything, I think kids were trained early on to recognize danger. Of course, there were terrible things that happened, but they seem to happen today too, in spite of all the helicopter parenting, I don't know...
So true, you have to watch your kids like a hawk!
@@christineparis5607 "...instead of sanitizing everything, I think kids were trained early on to recognize danger."
Agreed. I grew up in the 60's. We ran around in groups until the streetlights came on & we had to go home. We knew to stay far away from anyone strange, especially adults we didn't know. But it was easy to spot strangers because everyone in the neighborhood knew everyone.
All the moms were stay-at-home moms & they all knew each other, all the kids knew each other, all the moms knew all the kids, etc.
We used to go from house to house to see whose mom was making the best dinner, then we'd all pile into that house to eat. (those poor moms lol)
I think it's harder these days because neighborhoods are huge, and no one knows their neighbors anymore.
I also think that society is scarier now, because so many people are now taught & encouraged to "if it feels good do it". Evil is encouraged. The lines are getting more blurred all the time. I feel sorry for kids these days.
Keep-Away: When a kid takes something that belongs to you against your will and tosses it back and forth to other kids instead of returning it, in an attempt to force you to chase it. Sometimes you don't get it back. As far as I can tell, the object of the game is to make you cry.
There is however a cheat code to win at this game. Works about 95% of the time if you do it right. Simply kick the current holder of your objects in the crotch, and this generally defeats the boss which instantly drops loot. You may end up having to fight the lackeys, but more often than not they decide it isn't worth the risk and bugger off.
@@Bancheis XD XD XD I had no idea video games were so applicable to everyday life! I should have spent more time in arcades playing Ninja Turtles and less time playing pinball.
@@Bancheis Yep. Pick one and beat the hell out of that one. That brings the game to its rapid conclusion.
I've heard it called "Monkey in the Middle" and "Keep-Away" growing up in the US in the early 2000s, normally it's done with a ball though, rather than belongings. However it's pretty much done with anything that some kid wants that's easily throwable between 2 other kids.
Just have to tackle one of em ruins their “fun”
I work for one of those hotlines you mentioned, and can I just say, THANK YOU SO MUCH for making sure those resources are out there. Intervention services, as a rule, are deeply imperfect, but they are vastly better in aggregate than the alternative.
Psychology services are very poorly approached everywhere. It deserves more focus, and funding everywhere.
100% agree.
AMEN. I'm extremely lucky to have a good therapist who I can just about afford to pay out of pocket, but so many of my friends don't have that option and it kills me...
I have access to therapy that accepts people with insurance for people on disability (US), but I'm so tired of going through them because a lot of them think I'm a liar, because they don't believe I've been through all of the stuff I have been, they don't believe in prescribing the stuff I need to function, and then I finally found a good therapist at a place specifically for most of the trauma I've been through, and she had to move away. Next therapist assigned to me kicked me out. Years later and I just don't know if I have it in me to go through decades of trauma all over again and hope for the best.
It's a waste of time.
@@virolo1960 oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you knew how horrific my life was to make that decision
Stories like this are so horrific and what happened to those little boys and their families can never be repaired. However, can I just thank you for talking about what had happened to Mary?
I grew up in a severely abusive home. While I have turned out mostly okay, I do have C-PTSD and struggle to have empathy for people outside my small group of family.
Early childhood trauma is the equivalent of taking a baseball bat to the brain, many times, still being expected to function, and then being told that you are the one hitting yourself.
If you know anyone who says they’ve gone through this, please give them so much love. Time, love, and therapy are the only things that have a shot at healing such intense suffering.
I'm not hitting the like button but I do understand this completely.
I love you ❤️ I relate to your story
Simon attempting to tell a story, makes me nostalgic for my Grandma. Grammy couldn't remember a detail to save her life, but it didn't stop her from babbling on to no where.
absolutely brutal
savage
A bit like Ronnie Corbett telling a joke.
So if Mary Bell can be sentenced to death for being serial killer at the age of 11,then why we cant sentenced to death all croatian children from ustashe families,that are trained to hate,kill,torture,intimidate,and humiliate serbs.?PS::Becouse if we would do this,then all fascism would dissapear over night.
@@slavenarkaimovski3897 no, it wouldn’t. And Mary Bell wasn’t sentenced to death, in part because the death sentence was suspended at that point and abolished the year after.
As an American, when I visited Scotland, I found my ability to understand the locals was directly proportional to my own alcohol consumption.
Or at least your perception of your understanding ;)
I have same thing in dreams I can fluently speak german in my dream and understand everything that is said to me but when I wake up I can say only simple sentences 😂
@@DocBree13would say only that because I'm not from Scotland either, let alone a native English speaker and I understand Scottish people. Ofc theres farmers that speak in dialect but most Scottish people can't understand them either
When Simon mention having tea with his Nan, I just imagine a _tinier_ version of Simon still with a bald head and a fabulous beard and moustache lmao
Lol
Literally lol.
I think of his nan with white nanna hair and Simons face and beard
😂😂😂
I didn't even notice I did the same 🤣
All the pre 1960s stories these guys cover, Just prove the world has not become more violent or horrific, It's just become more televised.
You think.....what makes me laugh is people who say crap like "you don't hear this kind of things from that....(insert country)" yea because no news or filming lol. Humans are horrible all over and there are studies that human cruelty didn't change since 5k? Years or something.
Bingo!! 🎯🎯🎯
The internet has been the key really. Television is REALLY sanitized and usually under control from governments these days so internet is the hub for information and we're all the better for it. Just think about the media back then, those assholes would go out of their way to ruin the life of someone scraping by, clinging to the semblances of normalcy as it pertains to their mental state after serving over a decade in prison but not even spare a passing glance to the reason for it all. In a stark contrast, Mary's mother made money off of abusing and trying to kill her own daughter and likely never faced any repercussions for it.
@@stefanmuntean5289 Human cruelty isn't in-born in most cases, it's the result of an environment and that environment has persisted because of many deep rooted reasons. As long as those roots aren't properly investigated and dealt with, it ain't gonna change.
Back then people woukdnt stand by while mobs burned down cities for a year, beating women in the streets
I grew up in the 50s, we always locked our doors and never went anywhere without our parents knowledge. As an adult I was a helicopter parent, because they were so precious to me. In 2003, I'd moved to a new area, around November and while unpacking saw a child of around 3 or 4 years old though my window, wandering about in a summer dress, in the freezing cold and dark. I went out and brought her back to the kerb from the road and asked her where her mummy was, she said " Pub" . This little child, I learned later, had previously been taken by two older boys and tied to a tree in the nearby woods and left there, a dog walker found her hours later. Some people just don't care about their kids, which makes them easy prey, sadly.
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What is this absolute brain vomit. Get back to twitter
I hope they took that poor baby away from her uncaring parents. What a horrible, mentally scarring thing to happen to a child, at the hands of other children😔😔.
I hope that child found a loving home away from her useless mother. :(
@@bigsteve6729 what this "vomit" is, is perspective. something, "true crime" lovers might miss in their cynical, next dose of shocking facts kind of world
My family is from an isolated mountain community along the West Virginia Kentucky border, and my older relatives always told me that when someone dies, you're supposed to kiss the corpse so the dead won't haunt you. It's so foreign to think of not even looking at the dead person before burial.
my mother used to do that with her family members here in the UK. Wanted me to do it too, but no way. I hadn't heard the bit about the haunting. Mum's family had Irish connections, and I wonder if it was one of their superstitions?
@@MudlarksAlmanacDefinitely sounds like a Celtic thing. Appalachia was settled by Highland Scots.
Callum getting at least topical freedom is great. That way he doesn't try to escape the basement!
Long as he stays away from The Blaze Callum gets respect from me
That or he’s chained to Danny who’s chained to the radiator.
Yep nice strategy Simon
@@01oo011 it's really just one long chain of human filled basement...starting with Danny at the radiator.
I wonder:
Are Callum and Danny imprisoned in the same basement? Or does Mr. Whistler have ten houses with ten basements - one dungeon for each channel's writer...?
Damn, this story is not about a 11 year old serial killer, it is about how to make a 11 year old serial killer
How she became a psychopath isn't as important as keeping her safely away from other people now that she is what she is.
@@tubularfrog We’re not In the plague times we can do better than that
@@tubularfrog So you believe someone who has suffered so much abuse and was driven to the point they felt like murdering someone as a child should just be kept away from society with no help at all? What about her mother? She’s responsible for this and so much more
@P R agreed
@P R Allow her help, but keep her locked up.
In the US, it is called “felony murder rule”. If a death occurs during the commission of a felony, all the participants in the felony are considered equally guilty of the murder.
i’m pretty sure there’s a similar rule in the UK. the gang rule Simon was talking about is different: that’s where a leader of a group (mafia, terrorists etc) can be charged with all the crimes committed by that group. France also has a good samaritan law where you can get in trouble if you see a crime and don’t report it/help.
@@onemorechris The US is a bit different in that the criminal codes vary by state. California has a Good Sameritan law, but it goes a step further in that if you are capable of providing aid, and don't, you can be sued. Used to be that medical professionals were afraid of rendering aid in case something went wrong and got sued for malpractice. The law made it so that the med. pro. can't be sued except for complete inaction when they could have helped. We also have what are known as RICO statutes on the federal level and are used against gangs, gang members, and gang leaders (including the MAFIA and etc).
@@RickyMaveety interesting! It’s cool that the CA law makes space for someone who could actually help in an emergency
Yeah. I like the fact that they protect the folks who are in good faith trying to provide aid. Also, under the common law in California … if you move someone, you have to make certain you’ve moved them to a safer place before you leave them, and if you have notified the emergency services, you are really supposed to wait until they arrive. Not just call 911 and flee the scene. So, if it’s just you and a drowning man, and you can’t swim and don’t know CPR, but have a phone … you call … and you tell them that he’s drowning and you can’t swim. They will tell you to wait where you are until help arrives. They don’t want two dead people on their hands.
This usually occurs with things like bank robberies, arson, burglaries etc.
I'm American and always went to open casket funerals as a kid for relatives. Hearing you say that in the UK that didnt happen It was an interesting fact to learn! I hope you and the crew have a good day!
Rumour has it that Simon’s child is already hosting several CZcams channels 😂😂😂
I'm not liking his new format. Too many ads, talks too fast, way too happy and I decided im leaving.n I liked the old one better
@@myfathersdaughter6983 thank you for this information we will all miss you dearly
"daddy, can you read me a bedtime story?"
LOL..
At least 3 🤣🤣
I cannot fathom leaving a 4 year old unattended for any stretch of time much less letting them? Wander around the neighborhood?
In those days most kids played out in the street (there was no room inside for most) so older kids looked after younger ones. But obviously that didn't always work out too well.
@@nlwilson4892 it was different then but there is a lot of misinformation about this subject. Children were allowed to wander more but that didn’t mean they where running wild all day. The community would keep an eye on each other’s “bairns” going from one house to another grandparents aunties uncles would all be involved in watching. Communities hadn’t been destroyed over much at that point so lots of family lived close by The houses weren’t that small they could play in yards and in the house but were allowed to play on the roads with prams scooters etc perfectly safe as car ownership was low to non existent at that time. Children would go home at dinner time 12 noon for their dinner or sometime go to a friends or relation house then maybe out again or maybe not. Just like now children wandered off but generally they were well cared for and loved.
It still happens in some places in the UK.
I grew up in the 1970s. Perhaps not as early as the age of 4, but as children we played out in the street, at friends’ houses and over the fields for hours. We came home for a crisp sandwich at lunchtime and then we were out again until the street lights came on. Both my parents worked so I often had to make my own lunch or dinner from around the age of 9 or 10. It was quite normal then.
@@sarahmillard6401 I grew up in Scotland in the 70s and 80s. We played in the street, or 'down the woods' and walked to school alone or with other kids from a young age. The big sisters in the street usually took charge if something happened. I used to walk my dog in the dark after tea, and in the early mornings before school, when I was about 9 or 10. There were usually other kids about when you were playing, you knew where you were allowed to go, the parents all knew each other and there was a lot of trust. One of my earliest memories is of seeing a 'missing child' poster for little Caroline Hogg. When I think about it, she only lived about 35 miles away, so that must have been terrifying for parents is my area.
If the script was only a 5-minute read it would still be a 15-minute video because of all Simon's tangents
I'm here for the tangents 😂
@@kyledarrow1809 me to
I likeit
@@kyledarrow1809 Heck yeah...that's what makes him so likeable an goofy!! I'd love to know what his wife is like!!
And if it was a Blaze episode, Simon would go on for hours, allegedly
What do you mean "if"? 🤭
Mary's friends: "What did you do this weekend?"
Mary: "I strangled a four year old boy to death!"
Everyone: "What a vivid imagination that girl has."
What were these people smoking? A kid saying that they killed a dragon or a pirate over the weekend is a vivid imagination. A kid going into detail about how they killed a little kid is cause for alarm
Agreed, this is very concerning stuff.
Agree here as well. I had 4 kids & ur correct. None of them ever talked anything like that. Thank God
It’s also pretty eerie how Mary was totally forthcoming about that information. Like, she legitimately didn’t see anything wrong with doing that. Throughout her life literally no one had managed to impart on her the fact that lives have meaning so she had no issue with the idea of taking one.
Honestly if anyone had paid even the slightest bit of attention the whole thing could’ve been avoided. But no one did. At any stage.
The underfunding of mental health is damn near universal. Not just the UK, but The USA, Canada, Australia, and as far as I know, almost everywhere else. Even those actively seeking help can often end up on waiting lists for months, or even years.
No waiting lists in America :)
The U.S. liberals decided that warehousing the mentally ill was a bad idea so by the late 1970s the mentally ill were rarely incarcerated.
@@DavidMac1556 You do realize there is a very good fucking reason people were against that practice, right? It might have had something to do with decades of horrific treatment of patients. But, hey, don’t let a little thing like facts get in the way of brain dead political bashing.
Follow the money. The courts and prison system must have a guaranteed steady supply of new criminals, not to mention the medical (chronic trauma also often results in lifelong health problems) and mental health industries. If you intervene with effective help at an early age, you'll dry up that supply of anti social and wounded adults that feeds the system. The older one gets, the harder it becomes to heal core trauma wounds.
@@LM-hb6yn It's a vicious cycle that keeps feeding itself. For example, If somehow we managed to cure people of the diseases permanently it would collapse the economy. We have made a system that has become totally dependent on the flaws it has to sustain itself.
If I remember correctly, the reason Norma wasn't really punished is because she had pretty diminished capacity and though she was 13 was like closer to 7 in mental age.
That is my understanding as well.
This is correct.
Thank you. This is well documented about Norma.
That said, Mary had a truly awful early life. Not excusing murder, but I highly doubt that anyone could have the same life she did and walk away unscathed.
Thank you for that bit if info!
I was wondering about that... you'd think any fully functioning 13yo would recognise the border had been crossed upon finding the first victim. Not gleefully participate in the madness.
After hearing the rest of the story, the killing and "genital mutilation" of a male child makes sense. Especially since her targets were people around the age that she was rumored to have been forced into prostitution herself. Many killers target people that remind them of themselves or their abusers, as it is fueled by hatred (and many people hate themselves). This is a truly tragic story. I hope that second girl managed to get some help herself. No one enjoys or goes along with murder unless they also have some history of abuse or mental instability.
Is uh uos
She killed other children who had done nothing to her. I hope she's rotting in Hell.
@@KFrost-fx7dt It has nothing to do with what they did to her. It probably has to do with what she saw in them. She was weak as a child (as we all are) and because of that she was helpless to fight off her own abusers. She likely targeted the weakness she saw in others as a result because it reminded her of her own situation. It's hard to explain the logic needed to reach these conclusions since we default to empathy and emotional responses, and in many cases there is no actual logic to be followed... but for some people it is a textbook case of projection and wanting to destroy the source of what brought about those memories.
Think of it like a dog that is beaten and abused all his life. Someone rescues the dog and takes it in showing kindness and warmth... but if you make the wrong move, you could frighten the dog and he can turn on you in self-defense even though you never intended to hurt it. Another example is soldiers who come back from war that were forced to do horrible things or went through tragic and terrible situations. People who have severe PTSD can react to outer stimuli violently or otherwise negatively without being aware they are doing it. Others do it because it provides some sense of joy or relief to their otherwise painful or depressing existence. With each case there are varying levels of separation from empathy and association in between. She may have done these things for relief rather than pleasure (not that either reason makes a difference or is a good excuse). Like feeling a claw grasping and applying pressure to her mind until action was taken to end it. Of course this is all speculation... One would have to be able to interview and talk to these people, as well as get actual rational answers from them to understand better. Even then, it might be impossible to understand without experiencing it themselves.
@@Bancheis so, lets go back to the dog example. If a dog started killing other dogs unprovoked, it would be put to sleep. This girl was disturbed, and she wasn't just hitting other kids. She's a murderer. The reasoning behind it doesn't really matter. They should have put her in a psych ward for life, and if this had happened in more recent decades, she would be.
@@KFrost-fx7dt It wouldn't be the same scenario. A dog killing someone while unprovoked is extremely unlikely, but also does not translate to someone who was abused as a child. A dog killing someone because they were battered, frightened, and can be easily provoked unintentionally is more likely translatable to the circumstances. Still, there are people who can be provoked simply by others being happy, stoic, or by those who express passivity. Your understanding of what provokes people in severe mental states is the fault in your reasoning. It can stem from envy, desire, fear, and other emotional states. Many people who do horrible things when suffering from trauma have a "legitimate" reason for why they did it, at least as far as they believe. Like an ex-girlfriend assaulting a man's wife because she believes that she was supposed to be the one chosen instead. To her, that is a legitimate reason for which she was provoked. To a civilized society, we view her as mentally unsound.
You are right though, the reasoning doesn't matter for what was done. I agree she should have been placed in a psych ward, or preferably have been given the death penalty. Being put in a psychiatric ward for life is not only expensive, but should be reserved for people who have the potential for rehabilitation. Someone that far gone is likely unable to function in society ever again, nor would anyone want them let loose in the world.
i love the part where they give the graphic details warning. Simon tells people to skip 10 seconds forward, but then waits a few seconds making the 10 seconds inadequate to skip the graphic part.
It’s such a tragic story - Mary’s upbringing, and her resultant behaviour / psychological damage as well as the stories of her victims and their families. Just tragic all round. There is a documentary about this case in which Martins mother speaks about how she has been missing a Mother’s Day card for years from Martin, and why should Mary be able to have children and grandchildren when Mary took away her child. It’s heartbreaking
Thanks for acknowledging her own victims. A lot of the comments are just pointing out the possibility she was abused, and she probably was, but it's like nobody is acknowledging that she KILLED PEOPLE. It's tragic all around, like you said, but I feel like a lot of people are just sympathizing more with Mary than with anyone else and it's really weird.
@@FrenkTheJoy Almost every serial killer was abused as a child, to the point where it's practically a prerequisite. She isn't more deserving of sympathy than the other killers, just because she started younger.
@@Mikazuchireborn Mary Bell wasn’t a serial killer. To be a serial killer you’ve got to have killed 3 or more people over along period
Yeah... not a very "Christian" reaction. Nothing would bring her kid back, and Mary's right to evolve, reform and maybe to some extent heal shouldn't harm her as a mother personally.
I understand she's hurt, but it's still very basic and selfish, somewhat dramatic behavior.
She won't get any pity from me this way.
@@FrenkTheJoy Why is it really weird to feel sympathy for her? I can't speak for othere people, I do feel sympathy for the families of the two children she killed, but I also feel sympathy for her as well. There is nothing wrong with feeling compassion for people.
Simon didn't even know he was playing keepaway as a kid because his friends were that good at keepaway
I just didn't have any stuff. It was a long game.
@@TheCasualCriminalist you grew up in solid middle class (if not upper middle class) family..
We watch your channels, we know you had “stuff”😏
Just admit that even bullies didn’t want to be around you 😂😂😂
@@splifstar85 How do you know?
When Simon says “Mary you absolute psychopath.”
I felt that .. 🤣🤣🤣
He was definitely on a roll tonight!!
@@undertoe3730 I think he must have smoked that roll. Uncohesive, babbling, waffling waste of time.
@@peterallman8474 Goood thing that’s exactly what we come here for...
Okay, "Mary".
Callum is a brilliant writer and Simon delivers them wonderfully and the Editor adds the excellent touches.
99% of missing children are taken by family members or friends of their family, and only 10% of all homicides are committed by strangers. You should be more afraid of the people you know than stranger danger. 🤷🏽♀️
So that's 109%
@@kymhealy3761 Obviously those are two different statistics. 🙄 if you really need it to be broken down instead of doing your own research, here are the full statistics with sources. Sited from missing kids.org, the site for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, “in 2020 out of the 29, 800 cases of missing children” [...] “less than 1% percent are non-family abductions”. Sited from UCR.FBI.gov, the FBI’s website for crime in America specifically the Expanded Homicide Data report, 10.2% of homicides committed in 2015 were committed by strangers. You’re welcome.
That 99% is seriously misleading
99% solved of cases solved but it is easily argued that a significant amount of murders remain as missing persons with little evidence found
"only 10% of all homicides are committed by strangers. You should be more afraid of the people you know than stranger danger." -- And because there are many more suicides than murders committed each year, I guess the person you should fear the most is: yourself! Obviously, there are limits to the application of statistics to individual situations.
A someone who grow up at the time in Scotswood not far from where all this happened (literally only a few streets away) and being only a year or two younger than Mary. What I remember about the time was how rough the area was, the absolute horror expressed by the adults of the events and how devastated people felt.
Don't think I will ever complain about my childhood again.
More you know, more grateful you become!
Greateful that millions of people are suffering horrific un imaginable abuse around the world yah ok sure it's not an Fing pissing contest ok if you're struggling with trauma grief pain mental health adversity stress don't be afraid to reach out for help
You were just lucky, I guess --- as for me, I *did indeed* have such an awful childhood (i.e., abject poverty, extreme parent/guardian abusiveness, total brainwashing, etc.) that it very well could have resulted in my becoming an outlaw or serial-assailant/killer. Fortunately, I was "bigger than that", and thus I totally "went the other way"; i.e., I tried to both better myself and begin helping out others who were also among the less fortunate.
Yes unfortunately I went through all that and many more but I'm not here to try and compare mine or anyone else's trauma I'm not going to sit here and name nit pick every trauma I went through and witnessed first of all don't remember all I went through exspecially when I was baby and toddler because there were stuff there for one I would get sick all the time party do to second hand smoke and second witnessing my parents fighting and moving and dad leaving and whatever else happened to me even before I turned 3 from then on until my 20s and some stuff that happened don't remember because either don't want to or blocked out so and it's not a competition the fact is we went through trauma and it often affects people and nagative ways we can also learn from it as well stop comparing your self to other people
Explain this to Prince Harry.
Congratulations on becoming a dad Simon! I remember watching a video of you living your life with your girlfriend in a new country and talking about your daily routine. How far you have come!
I honestly can’t believe there wasn’t retribution for the mother. Who looks at an 11 year old killer and says, “nope, no child abuse here”.
most ppl before 2000's even not that much now.
God forgive me, but every time I see that pic of Mary, I think if she didn't become the youngest serial killer I bet anything she would be in the running for youngest Karen.
4 years old?! Forget about stranger danger. 4 year olds aren't exactly smart. How would a 4 year old even know his way around a neighborhood? I'd be worried he'd just walk into traffic unknowingly because ya know he's FOUR
For real
I had complete run of the neighborhood at age four. While that was not universal in 1957, it wasn’t unusual (in Chicago) either. NOBODY ever questioned my wandering around the neighborhood alone. I was never in any danger of doing something dumb like running into the traffic. At four, most kids know better......
This generations 4 year olds are much stupider than those of the 50s-70s. I know plenty of stories from family who all let their kids wander, and were all fine because thwy learned through other kids, and were for the most part watched over by the others as well. Especualoy now, any 4 year old wouod 100g get hit or eat something poisonous and fall ill, but it was much rarer back then. Atleast here in Texas. My grandmother has stories of her and her sister going out for hours through the city as kids without parents, and my great aunt was maybe 12 or 13 at the time with a 10 year age gap. It was just a different time, not better, just different, and all differences have their strengths and weaknesses.
This also probably varied by area, but kids here just didnt have hellicopter parents.
You'd be surprised
Simon being upset that no one did keep away with his backpack 😂 keep away is when someone steals your stuff and keeps it out of reach so you can’t give it back. A group of kids can gang up on you and toss your stuff between them to keep it away from you
I was looking for this lmao
So stayaway is a variation of chasies,tip, but its also called stealing ,bullying, harrassment..its often involving weak participant..not a peer
@@isilder I just think it's absolutely adorable that Simon thinks keep away was a game that all parties involved with enjoyed and participated in, and that he was missing out 😂
He may have been tall. I am 4'11" at 30 so I know how people are often picked for that game lol. But it was adorable.
We played keep away in gym class - ugh, gym - and it was played with a ball in teams. Basically reverse dodgeball, where you toss the ball around & try to keep it away from the other team. (I forget exactly how points are scored...) So it IS an actual game! It's also a way for little psychopaths to torment other kids by taking their stuff, though. Kids are aresholes.
Norma was apparently "slow" as they have described her before. She one of the reasons a 13 year old was able to be manipulated easily by an 11 year old - not to say she didnt participate of her own choice, but she may not have known the severity of mutilating the body, since the boy was already dead.
13 also isn't very old or mature, tbh. I vividly remember being 13 and our gym teacher told us a man in town was shot in the face. We all burst out laughing. Our teacher was disgusted with us, but we were all so innocent and immature that we couldn't imagine the actual reality of a man being shot in the face, so we had all imagined like a bugs bunny cartoon scenario. Death isn't real when you're 13. Your brain still has over 10 years left of maturing before it and your empathy are at a truly adult level. I think the internet and society tries to convince us that we're all little adults by the time we're teenagers, but really kids are kids are kids.
I'm from Newcastle and and my mother is from Scotswood and lived in the area when Mary Bell killed. Back then, Scotswood was one of the most deprived areas of Newcastle and around 80%-90% has been knocked down for new developments nowadays.
Me too. I was raised a short walk from the crime scenes and later in life met Moira Bell several times
I'm a Geordie too but weirdly hadn't heard about it until a few years ago, and even then only through watching videos on CZcams. Not the kind of thing that would really come up in conversation I suppose 🤷♀️ And I wasn't thought of at the time, so it's not like I'd catch it on the news.
Yeahhhh Scotchy is still somewhere I won't go alone tbh.
@@fawnalexander9387 Aye, I totally understand you there like. Pretty much most of the west end is rough. I'm from Gateshead most of my life but I've been living in Lemington now for the past 3 or 4 years and it's pretty rough here...
I was born in 1962 in Elswick and spent the 70s being raised in Benwell (at that time quite a nice place). After I married I lived in scotswood, a horse from a different safari. You didn’t have to go far to find really rough places and people. The whole west end has gone downhill in the last 30 years though. I’m sometimes ashamed to see how rough and dirty it looks
A heartbreaking episode on every level. All it would have taken was someone noticing how messed up her home life was to save two children... And bloody tabloids never make anything better.
Tbf we weren't educated enough on nature/nurture and human brain function/abnormality back in the day, she's lucky she wasn't lobotomized.
It's true that certain segments of media only cared for the sensationalism of her case. Hell the shit still happens now, Amanda Knox and The Mccann's are perfect examples of that.
*Three children
If someone had noticed sooner, Mary could have been saved from decades of abuse as well.
@@jendubay3782 I think they were referring to Mary and her sister, who likely also faced abuse
Not entirely true, the one benefit to this careless and brutal journalism is it made people a lot more aware of their kids. A lot of the older generation say modern parents are too careful with their kids, and that is partly true, but child kidnapping, pedophilia and murder cases have gone down by several leagues if we compare the 1980's to the 2010's. The numbers from before to after are dramatic, and that's not even accounting for all the cases that went unreported or were poorly handled because of faults of criminal research at the time.
All because parents are more aware and careful.
There really needs to be a Kittens and Puppies intermission for some of these, holy shit.
Agreed! This is so disturbing!
Ummm- it’s a bit of a running joke from Business Blaze that Simon “hates” dogs. I strongly recommend avoiding Simon’s recent Today I Found Out on Pavlov.
No, I don't think we want Mary Bell anywhere near any kittens and puppies!
Or just grow a stronger stomach.
Here! Here!
I feel bad for laughing whenever Simon has an existential crisis in the middle of an episode but I do it anyway.
I know she did awful things, but hearing about her childhood actually made me cry. It breaks my heart to think of how her mother treated her. She deserved so much love and care and she was treated like garbage. This is one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard.
Why feel pity for her what about the family's of those young boy's.
The family of those boy's are not getting a new identity or handouts or police protection.
No they suffer whilst the killer gets protected, and never has to worry about money or paying bill's it's mine and your taxes that's keeping her.
You mean the families who just let their young boys run around the neighborhood unsupervised? Different times or not, letting a 3 year old run around town unsupervised is child neglect.@@steve-xd1bf
@@steve-xd1bf she was 11 years old when she killed those children, obviously it's horrific and awful that she did but she was a child. Those kids didn't deserve to be killed. But Mary Bell was a child who was being abused and she did face consequences for the murders. Also she's been out of prison for 40 years so I doubt your tax dollars are paying for her to live.
@@steve-xd1bfbelieve it or not, there is room to have pity for both
I just can't get over how there isn't stricter laws against animal abuse. Firstly, it's horrific and secondly... well, serial killer alert!
I just can't get over how there isn't stricter laws against abortion. I find it extraordinarily sad that so many of us apparently devalue the life of human beings over endangered animals.
Well, dehumanising alert!
“If you were to take or destroy the eggs of a sea turtle, the criminal penalties are severe,” he said. “Why do we have laws in place that protect the eggs of a sea turtle or the eggs of eagles? Because when you destroy an egg, you’re killing a preborn baby sea turtle or a preborn baby eagle.”
"Under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act of 1940, deliberately destroying - or even disturbing - a bald eagle’s egg or nest carries a $100,000 fine and a sentence of up to a year in prison for a first offense, according to the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service."
The European country where I live in has equally strict animal laws.
Yet, a woman in Western countries can have her unwanted child aborted and gets off scot-free.
I totally agree there should be stricter laws but a big problem I think is people look at animals as food and not really sentient and we already treat animals really bad in factory farming. I’m not vegetarian or vegan but I think they make a strong case.
Okay let's start with the rattys and mouse's then
@@june-cz1cw I think even if I was vegan I’d have a hard time protecting them since they are so useful for drug studies lol
Society doesn't give a damn about animal abuse, not really. We're all happy to pay lip service to reducing animal abuse, and then we gleefully hand over our money to people committing the exact type of abuse we claim to be horrified by. Because we don't really care, not as long as we get to satisfy our tastebuds. Anyone who says they love animals and still eats meat is nothing but a virtue signalling hypocrite. And that's fine, if you want to eat meat then that's your choice, but you don't get to pretend you care about animal cruelty.
If Lil' Whistler becomes a serial killer, when any one asks about it just yell "allegedly!" "Ba dum tiss", slap a random script and walk away while they try and figure out what just happened because chances are they aren't an OGBB legend anyway.
I don't know why but I believe it. Every word.
But what of Whistler’s Mother?
and toss in a few vintage memes
Fred Blonder 😂😂😂😂
Can we stop this idea of "we need to protect children who commit crimes" please? If one of my classmates killed as a child, I wouldn't want them back in society as an adult.
why? do you think they can never change?
And that’s why you’re not a judge. You can’t have emotional biases as a judge.
It is really rare to watch one of these and feel genuine sympathy for the perpetrator of some horrible crime, I think it is usually because it is an adult that you think could have made different choices regardless of a horrible childhood. To hear about this child's early life I can't help but wonder how she could have turned out any different.
There's a couple of serial killers I feel very sorry for. It doesn't make what they did ok, and it doesn't mean they should be excused or get away with it, but I don't have the same revulsion that I have for, for example, Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez.
Mary Bell, Jeffrey Dahlmer and Eileen Wornos are the ones that spring to mind. Such sad stories that lead up to their awful crimes.
I like the respect for your employees, trusting Callum to pick topics etc is legendary.
That's where it starts.
And ends.
Although with the warmer weather, it's slightly less damp in the basement, which I guess is nice.
@@ruckius7946 "Alledgedly" 😂
@@agingerbeard that's right
As an American (and avid watcher of Law & Order), it shocked me that life without parole is such a foreign concept in other countries
Norway has a maximum sentence (25 years, i believe). But they can also delay the release of a prisoner, if the convict is likely to commit more violent crime (or any other crime for that matter). So they can legally keep dangerous people of the streets forever, provided they are still dangerous. Life without parole sounds like slow capital punishment with a back-out option (in case the wrong person is convicted).
I could be slightly wrong but In the uk a 'life sentence' on average is 15-20years. However if the crime is so horrible a judge can give what I this is known as a 'whole life order' meaning they won't be released or at least not for around 40years.
A life without parole for someone tried as a juvenile is generally no longer done, and those who were children before the law was passed (at least in my state) have been given chances for parole and for restarting their lives.
We don't need any lessons on humanity or incarceration policy from a country that jails people for parking tickets and executes people without due process for passing a fake $20 bill. Being tough on crime doesn't deter crime very well if millions of your citizens have no choice other than crime due to poverty and inequality. But incarceration is a money-making racket for private prisons, especially those with inmate labour programs. The US now write laws and have Police initiatives to keep a supply of fresh bodies going into these prisons. There is no cell under-occupancy or empty beds in the barrack-style accommodation. There have even been bribes to judges to ensure sentenced persons get sent to these hell-holes. Lincoln didn't abolish slavery. He just changed the terms and conditions. It's just one big hustle. It's so American. And so utterly Amoral
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN just another holier than thou bolshevik.
Loved that you mentioned fringe
I honestly do not know how I feel with case , hopefully she's truly changed but also that someone in m16 keeps an eye on her.
This one hit me so hard. Having been physically abused from birth until I was 3 1/2, I feel the abuse she went through. I do not, however, condone what she did in any capacity. I agree with Callum, this wasn't a story about 2 victims, but also how Mary in her own right was also a victim.
I agree. My heart is broken for her, though I do not think what she did was right, but she was hurting and hurt people hurt people. I hope she broke that vicious cycle with her own child.
The focus should be on the two MURDERED little children, not on the psycho who killed them.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that her abuse totally excuses what she did. Just that there was hope of her turning out decent with the right guidance. As she was never in trouble after her release that would seem to be right.
It might be noted that she had a reputation of bullshitting and everyone ignored everything she said. It was common in those days (and a couple of decades after) for kids reporting abuse to be punished for telling wicked lies. It seems her bragging about the first killing was an attempt to get taken away from her parents. It was quite common for kids who had abusive home lives to commit crime to get locked up (although generally not killing people).
@@KillerQueen-gx4vb Yes and no... no only in respect that with focus on the perpetrators, it could help prevent possible future Mary Bells.
@@nlwilson4892 that makes me think she didnt even kill the first kid and just found him after he accidentaly ate the pills. And her bragging didnt get her in trouble so she needed to do it again
I find it interesting that the descendants of people who actually took photos with the corpses of family members during the Victorian Era don't like to look at dead bodies.
I'm in the southern US, and it is still fairly common to take a picture of the corpse in their casket, just not with anyone else.
It was often the only chance they ever got to have a photo taken of the loved one in the Victorian era, so it’s quite a different thing. They were trying to make them look alive.
Here in Ireland it's common to have an open coffin and have it at the home of the dead person and we had an open coffin for my mother for 3 days for a wake at home as she did not like the church and we kept her company for her last days and took some photos
@@epowell4211 I was horrified when my cousin did this to my grandma. I had never seen it before. I live in Alabama and never seen it done at a funeral. That being said, I haven’t attended a lot of funerals since I moved here.
@@oreotookie imagine flipping through family albums and suddenly seeing coffin pics of your grandfather's identical nephew.
While learning English I was told that meal names varied dependent on social class. Working class called the large evening meal " tea ", the mid day lunch " dinner ". This being because long working hours meant the Middle class " afternoon tea " coincided with the 4 or 5 o'clock meal of workers. The workers went on for another couple of hours afterwards. The Middle class went home for a light snack of tea and biscuits, the large meal coming in the evening around 7 or 7:30 pm, when the workers were travelling home. Workers often bought chips and fish on the way. This became the workers "supper" giving the name to the " fish supper " considered traditional Working class food.
The Working class " Tea " was often when children came back from school and were fed by parents who then returned to work. The " freedom " of working class children was a result of the lack of supervision caused by long working hours. These children being left open to accidents and abuses without parents. One theory I read, said sexual assault of children was much more common during this era. But because the victims were working class and the criminals generally middle class, the crimes were never pursued seriously by the police and courts.
Maybe it's just me. I can't get past 9 mins from all of the tangents and laughing.
Anyone else delighting in the image of Simon having tea and biscuits with his nan?
... allegedly
And who WOULDN’T feel delight in the memory of any sweet time spent with their Nan?
I imagine her with a beard.
no
Nope I'm not gay
I’m sure I’m sooooo late but “ keep away” is actually bullying I think, I’ve never seen it done in a nice way. Anyway it’s when a group of kids take something like a backpack and “ keep it away” from its owner. Usually by surrounding them in a circle and toss it around to each other, keeping it out of the hands of the owner. Hopefully you got it back the especially bad one at my school tried to destroy it in the end😓
Sounds familiar to me now
well, there is a less awful version that's called, "monkey in the middle". it's where a group of kids pass a ball around with one child in the middle trying to catch/take it. it's the same as the awful version except all the kids are in on it and take turns being the "monkey".
the game goes until the child in the middle manages to get the ball or somebody drops it.
whomever dropped the ball or had the ball taken from them becomes the next "monkey in the middle". some variations have a chant that goes with it but i never played one of those so i don't know any of the words. we just chucked the ball around and laughed. [shrugs] for us, it was less violent than some of the other games kids our age would play and the number of injuries were fewer. ~i _hated_ dodge ball... you want to talk about bullying with weaponry... Oi!~
I had my backpack turned inside out and zipped shut inside, I couldn’t get into it for ages, they roared with laughter watching me, one of MANY bullying incidents I endured, happy school days 🙄
I was always the smallest kid in class and whenever someone played “keep away” I’d just walk away and they’d quickly give up🤷♀️ my older brother always bullied me (as well as my mom) so kids at school didn’t have anything on what my brother would do😅 one time I got a paddling in middle school for being late to class too many times, and when my teacher gave me the 3 whacks with the board, I looked at her with my hands still on the wall in an “under arrest” position, and looked at her dead in her face and said “you done yet?” The look on her face, oh god she wanted to beat my ass😂😂 there was not a single tear, no shakiness to my voice, nothing because I was used to the way mom mom whipped me and she wouldn’t stop until she was exhausted. Once again, getting bullied at home made those things at school seem not so bad. Like, that’s all you got? 😅 people quickly learned to leave me alone.
I can't wait for the first episode of the Irate Evangelist, considering it's as good as confirmed now.
Yes, that and the Moral Judgement Criminalist...
Funny how in a predominantly Christian nation and time you judge an entire culture by the actions of a single family.
@@nemoexnuqual3643 When did that happen?
As a friendly neighborhood psychopath (diagnosed ... a lot of times.) I can verify that parenting is super important. I could have ended up as a really dangerous person. My mother was incredible tho. So I just ended up being a really good salesman* and taking games way too seriously.
Edit: I also convinced a bunch of other kids to help me remove the speed limit sign and speed bumps from the student parking lot, at our high school. That was our senior prank. I felt like a mini cult leader. LOL
@Person how would you know?
As a diagnosed Narcissist, I agree.
@Person ASPD. look it up
The real monster in this story is the mother for turning Mary into this. I hope she burns in hell for what she did to this poor girl.
If she does burn in hell let's hope Bell goes with her.
While inexcusable, people are what they choose to be.
Some of the best people are those who saw their parents make horrible choices, and decided to be different.
And some of the worst people are those who imitate their horrible parents.
Choices matter.
@@laststand6420yes but the type of abuse endured can have permanent effects on a child's ability to empathize and desire connections with others.
We are talking about an 11 year old Steve. Calm down
I met Mary Bell ,once, a long,long time ago, by accident, and very briefly. The one factor that no one ever seems to mention is her eyes ! Large, startling, dazzlingly sapphire blue, very hypnotic!
Can you explain the circumstances in which you met her and when?
@@DiegishT She has family connections to Glasgow, and that is where/how I met her. It was , I think , in the 1980's ! It wasn't a formal meeting. Hope this helps you, regarding her eyes, I forgot to say that they seem to be three, or four times bigger than normal, and the sparkling sapphire blue pupils seem to have an electrical charge going through them. Unlike anything I've seen before, or since.
@@clivedunning4317 thanks for your answer. I have always noticed that her eyes look very big in the pictures. Did she introduced herself to you as Mary?
@@DiegishT I take it you do not live in the UK. Mary Bell was given a new identity, NI Number (social security in USA) etc., on leaving prison, to protect her from trolls and vigilantes. She has started a new life,with her new identity and I don't wish to prejudice this in anyway. Thank you for your interest.
@@clivedunning4317 You are correct, I don't live in the UK. I'm not interested in exposing her in anyway, shape or form. I was only curious of the impression you had of her apart from her eyes.
"Whats keep-away? nevermind, probably something i was left out of. i was left out of all the cool stuff."
OH THE IRONY
Nicholas hide and seek ??
@@janeyd5280 No, keep-away is when a group of kids takes something from another kid (like their lunchbox, a schoolbook, etc.) and they throw it around between each other, being sure to keep it away from the kid from whom they took it. It's a bullying game.
It means he was never bullied in this manner.
Geez, I went to a cadaver dissection in high school, actually held a skinned leg in my hands. Funny enough dead bodies or other dead creatures don't bother me in the slightest, I never had a problem with dissections. But when it comes to hurting something alive, I'm a total wuss. The first time I killed an animal other than a bug was when one of our dogs caught a squirrel and it was beyond saving, I had to put it out of it's misery. I apologized to the squirrel for what happened and dug it a grave. I mean this was in my late 30s.
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I don't have issue with dissections that have been by choice, someone has consented to the use of their body when dead. However animal dissection is an issue. There is no consent given by non human animals for the things done to them.
@@d.rabbitwhite most come from animals that have been put down. It's a tough thing but that's how verts learn things too.
I was happy that you included her childhood trauma, it gives a glimpse into why. Even though all of it was so wrong.
These vids are way more laid back than the geographics channel, it feels like I'm chilling with my uncle who goes into crazy detail about everything xD
There is an episode of Deadly Women that talks about Mary Bell, which features the first victim's mother on it, and she was very unhappy with the sentence for exactly the reason you mentioned Simon. Overall it's just a really sad story, for everyone.
oh yes, her interview was just heartbreaking
Yes, that really was sad, Mary Bell even bothered that lady for days after her son's death!
Thank you for going into such a deep investigation with Mary's case study. I am very intreged by psychology and this video was handled with great care.
Intrigued 😊
Uk: looking at dead bodies is a little odd it’s not really done
Canada : we have two separate occasions just to look at the corpse
When my Nana died, my mother went to the Funeral home to view her, apparently she looked very angry, which has stayed with my mother. When my father died last year we did see him just after he had died in the hospital but we didn’t see him after that, we wanted to remember him as he was in life.
In the US we do, too. A wake, then the actual funeral. ❤️💔
Same in the US too. We have the viewing for friends and family then the funeral itself. I’m being cremated so there will be no viewing of me. It creeps me out. My mom passed away in January and we ended up having an open casket and they did a great job. She looked beautiful.
I hate it when people take pictures of the
decedent at the viewing.
When my sister died when I was 5 I wasn’t allowed to see her face. Makes me wonder if it would have scarred me for life why do it. I’m glad I didn’t because I don’t want to remember what she looked like dead
Speaking of how people just let children run around in the past, my grandmother told me about how she was terrified as a child of getting kidnapped like the Lindbergh baby.
Rollercoaster of an episode there Simon and Callum. But I have witnessed first hand when a child is brought in to state protective care because of abuse. Most of the homes we worked with helped those children break the chain of abuse. I am glad you gave contact for others to help children.
I’m an atheist, but that being said, people who intervene to help abused children are doing God’s work.
I hope to some day foster and adopt children in need. I know I do need to further explore how to best help children who have gone through such horrific things, but I have time seeing as I'm only a college freshman
I've seen this story before but not with such detail. Now I understand much more about the backstory of this tragedy. Kudos! Job well done.
The local kids to police: "creepy old men? ... No but that Mary girl down the lane gives me nightmares!"
This short episode is 34 minutes long, never change Simon & Co 🤣
"I've been to Newcastle, and in some parts locals think cameras can steal their Souls" Pretty Accurate.
I'm in the US and I laughed, because the way he talks about the northern UK population (with that and the "blood line" reference) is pretty much exactly how the northern US population talks about the southern US population. I guess that kind of thing exists everywhere. It makes me less upset when someone bashes where I'm from. We all do it to each other, I guess.
@@skyhawk_4526 the southern population says the same about the northern population in the US. Bless their souls
@@ahuramazda32 The Southern population still thinks Trump deserved a 2nd term. Nothing else to debate.
@@RikoJAmado lol. I dont. Let’s not forget the modern hq for the clan is in illinois
That’s some aboriginal shit
Your brain doesn't even finish developing until you're 25. Certainly at 11 you can't understand the full import of your actions. I agree with Simon that someone at that age shouldn't be locked up for life. They should receive psychological treatment.
She was diagnosed as a psychopath. That doesn't get better with age & there is no cure.
@@seansimmons73 Exactly what I was going to say.
I very much doubt the reliability of a diagnosis of psychopathy made of an 11year old.
@@seansimmons73 You can't diagnose psychopathy at age 11. Her behavior was likely due to horrific abuse.
@@seansimmons73 I actually read somewhere that you can teach them, kind of moral guidelines
I remember playing in the streets in ancoats manchester at age 4, in the 1970s, not 10 years after the moors murders. I think the worse thing that happened to me was getting run over by a mini, uh, setting myself on fire, painting myself top to toe in green gloss paint.. getting my ankle gashed by a thrown glass bottle, face mauled by a dog ... and slashed with a stanley knife. Besides all that I was fine.
Your youth was more eventful than mine, that's for damn sure
Lol at the green gloss paint incident!
I was hit by a mini in 1990s
Quite the childhood you had
@@PeetaGrifffin yeah, back in the 70s kids had more freedom to fu¢k up and people didn't care, we weren't snowflakes back then, we were fricken Ninja stars.
Callum writing ‘shorts’ which is longer than some of the long episodes is peak Danny energy
I love it. They might actually be short if Simon wasn’t the best fluffer in the business 🤣
It might be Simon tough 😂he makes it twice as long
@@stephjovi I love how he made it his own
I read that title far more terrifyingly as "Mary Bell: The 1-Year-Old Serial Killer"
Ha Hah Hah Hah
Lol
It's Alive!
I love this style him reading from a script so pure and I feel included
I once worked in the court building where Mary Bell was dealt with. It is an old and eerie building. Also, I remember from some documentary, it was only after she was sentenced to custody, they realised that they didn't really know where to take her to serve her sentence as she was still just a kid...
Simon, you mentioned the unlikelyness of young children geting a hold of medicine. When I was in probably 4th grade, my youngest brother nearly died, after somehow ingesting some medication that was prescribed to me.
I learned early on, to never underestimate the cleverness of young children.
I watched a 2 yr old open a "child proof" bottle of pills, in seconds! Don't ever underestimate children, they are very clever.
children are simultaneously the smartest and dumbest creatures alive
I drank a whole bottle of dolex medicine as a toddler and had to be rushed to the hospital, kids can and WILL get into stuff they shouldn't
Nor their curiosity. That's why I, as a 4 year old, stuck my finger in the VCR and ejected a tape, then found why I shouldn't do that. I pushed the tape back in. I also touched the car's hot exhaust pipe around the same age, and climbed on the refrigerator from a cabinet or counter, breaking one of Mom's bowls. I don't know why I was climbing.
When i was 3 and my brother 2, i got through a child-latched cabinet, a plastic seal and childproof cap to share a bottle of aspirin as the treats at our play tea party. We got a ride in the wee-oo wagon for that
So Brits take tea around 4 o clock; good to know.
I also have a daily ritual where I partake of some psychotropic botanicals, but about 20 minutes later.
A different kind of tea.
"Herbal tea" is best tea.
Basically in the UK tea is what we eat in the evening, so like some would say dinner, we might refer it to by saying tea but not the drinking kind. Its usually after 5pm for us.
@@slytheringingerwitch although you are correct about the interchangeable wrongly named ( often by lower or working class ) tea and dinner, or lunch even.
'Afternoon tea' is a 'tea break' for a Cuppa and a sandwich, cake, scones, tea cakes, crumpets etc.
www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/how-throw-afternoon-tea-party
@@johnrhodes3350 It isn't a question of whether I am correct or not, it's what I and my family call it. So there are no wrong answers here.
Always interesting that people can be sympathetic when a child does something horrendous and understand that the child needs help, and yet expect that child to have “fixed” themselves if they grow up under the same circumstances and in the same environment and give no thought to any efforts to make those environments better.
Because you have to also remember anyone else who suffered in the same circumstances yet never do anything terrible. A terrible environment or being abused doesn't and never will justify terrible behavior later on because at that point the victim becomes the abuser.
Serial Killers are a special kind of evil. As part of a family affected by one, I can say it's not just about the life cut too short and missed, but the exposure to such cruelty plays out in irreversible ripples. So much colateral damage.
Having to attend court procedures because of murder may be among the worst things people who aren't direct victims have to go through.
The mental health is affected for years after.
I'm real sorry you have gone thru what you have
@@ciaralee9760 Thank you. I mention it so people can understand that the impact is different than losing someone in a car accident. There's an irrational evil involved, and it becomes tangible. People often slow down to see a car accident...but maybe it's this other element that fascinates people about true crime. They want to know the reasons, so they can know the why...
Stranger Danger was actually a thing in the early 80's when I was growing up. We even had the police come to our school and put the fear of death in us when I was around 8 years old. But what the hell was with parents just letting 3 and 4 year old kids wander the streets all day in Newcastle back in the 60's????
Now we only have one or two kids, so we protect them more, in those days, they always had enouf.
It's often, but not always a lower income thing. You'll see the same thing today in very poor areas. If you live in the suburbs tho, you might have a distorted view of child supervision compared to the rest of the world. I live in NYC, and you see young kids going around on their own all the time, especially on the subway. Most kids are expected to get to school via the subway, where the recommended minimum age to travel alone is 8 yrs old. And that's not a law or anything. Google it if you want but I already did. I imagine that idea would terrify most people living in the burbs and beyond.
I grew up with stranger danger in the 60/70's
They still wander rough uk estates like stray dogs, parents should be reviewed constantly because many are horrific at their job.
The good old days of "satanic panic".
To anyone interested. read Carol Anne Davies's book: Children who Kill Children. Also, Gitta Sereny's books: The Case of Mary Bell and-as mentioned in the video- Cries Unheard. Three books that come from a place of compassion and not sensationalism.
“What do you have in your mouth? Open your mouth now!” Is a phrase any dog owner will probably be somewhat familiar with as well
My nan who worked as a Prison Officer at Askham Grange Prison, met Mary Bell way back then. She said she was a disturbed little girl which is an understatement.
I'm starting a petition to rename this channel "Murder Blaze".
I just want him to say "the boy with the murder" in the beginning
Alliteration is great and he wouldn't change the branding, but I love nicknaming the channels Murder Blaze and Business Casual in my mind lol, ever since it came up in another thread recently. I think Murder Blaze is a fantastic merch concept though lol
This comic relief was much needed.
Signed!
Works.
Simon on Business Blaze: "SMAAAASH THAT DISLIKE BUTTON"
Simon on Casual Criminalist: "please give us a like and subscribe :3"
Isn't it amazing what a small amount of cocaine can do...allegedly
Please do not murder the like button, we may need it for later.
Things I've learned from Simon.
1."Yo, dudes" (add new Dad look.)
2."Call the police". (Biggest caller of the cops ever)
3. But, when we reach "you psycho" oh dear.
However, when Simon's sweet little girl voice comes out, (4.) "really" and "you did what" then something bad has happened. Really bad. I like predictable. Thanks Simon.
He watches lots of TV. Lots and lots of TV 😂
I think "Stranger Danger" isn't focused on these days (not that it doesn't happen ) but most victims are targeted by people who are trusted by or at least known to the victims.
Yeah, stranger danger did more harm than good in some ways.
People still believe the stranger danger from the 1980s.
Have passwords for your kid
I can't believe I actually caught an episode just after it was uploaded! Such a sobering story. I hope Mary's children had a better life.
Their names were Martin Brown and Brian Howe
Honestly the sleeping pills sounds more like a suicide attempt. Yes that can happen with young children especially with a troubled home life
It might be, but it also slots perfectly into the 'Munchhausen by proxy' idea.
An aunt of mine had Munchhausen syndrome, and I personally believe she also suffered from hypochondria, or maybe that's an inherent symptom. When she told of her plans to get a baby, her mother and sisters freaked out, fearing she would end up mutilating the kid as much as herself. At least, that's what I heard afterwards.
Apparently it was her MOM that drugged her with pills! Can you believe that mother... I bet her mothers parent(s) was also a sociopath to her.
@@TheCandiceWang
Most infanticide is done by the mother
Hell most children are murdered by their mothers
An u comfortable truth we prefer to ignore
It doesn't sound anything like a suicide
Her mom wasn't that much older than her when she had Mary's older sister and was a known prostitute.
Thank you for the adult response to an horrendous problem in society about the most vulnerable amongst us, the part of society we should all be protective of