"Towns have villains? The world has actual villains? Isn't that just from fiction?" Simon, I present to you the case of Ken McElroy, a man so hated that he was gunned down in broad daylight in front of approximately 46 witnesses, including his wife, none of whom saw anything. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy I honestly think the case would be a good addition to this show.
Lol just to let you know, people that lived in villages were referred to by royalty as villains, and then it turn to a neg discrimination against lowercase, uneducated. Then a term for people that do illegal things
Thanks for the link, that’s an awesome story. My favorite part is when the sheriff is like don’t do anything stupid and then leaves town. Sounds like something that would happen in an old western.
When Simon said, "The Assman Comith" my son from the other room ..."Mom, the teacher asked if you can you mute your video for a minute so she can take attendance." Perfect timing. I heard a bunch of 8th graders laughing as only 8th graders can at things like that.
me when I saw the photofit: "That looks like a cartoon villain. Nobody's eyes are that creepy in real life." me when I saw the picture of Assmann: "I can admit when I'm wrong." lol
Yeah, no way it was the guy who hated campers, threw rocks at them, cut guy lines on tents, threatened his beaten wife into providing an alibi, filled in a well on his property, admitted to the killings nine years later and then killed himself the next day.
I hate to disappoint but can confirm (as a German native) that the name "Assmann" directly translated to English would be "Ace Man". But he can remain Ass Man in our hearts.
And finnish names, of all un-pronounceble language. I’m swedish, and have met finnish people, and most of it sounds and spells like hekki fjäkki noine lakkinen, fronndi kakka yxi kaxi☺️
Running into the woods to escape justice is a very important part of Finnish culture, so much so that it's featured in one of the most important pieces of Finnish literature, Seitsemän veljestä by Aleksis Kivi (the Seven Brothers), published in 1870. No wonder they found so many criminals out in the woods.
The practice has been employed for at least a millenia. Only couple of records survive of Finland pre-1000 CE but in general they apparently were more peacefull times than any time after 1000 CE. - Records of vikings (pre-1050 CE) trying to pillage Finnish seaside villages ended most of the time because the inhabitants managed to escape into the woods. Empty villages containing little to no valuables, viking raids finally ended helped by one of the few strikes back from Finnish that almost killed the entire raiding party that included a future king of Norway (Battle at Herdaler). - After Swedish and Novgorodians started (as early as 1050 CE) their murderous attacks to Finland, escaping into the woods was practically the only way to survive. Everytime when either attacked Finland it ended in a massacre, burning of the villages and murder of hudreds or thousands, raising the question: Why *not* escape to the woods?! - During the Civil War in 1918, Communist Reds employed the same tactic. Retreating to the woods to gather forces, at this time they were nicknamed "Pine Cone Guard". This name got later transferred to all dodgers or escapees from military service. - During the Winter War/Continuation War/Lappland War, many who did not want to fight, did so by escaping into the woods. Military having little time to chase few men, those men lived in the forest for years. These men and those that failed morale check and retreated in panic also got the name "Pine Cone Guard".
@@alaric_ Unless you actually believe that everything was sunshine and rainbows before 1000 CE then the present day Finland is undoubtably the most peaceful Finland has ever been. Also, what records exist of Finland pre-1000 CE?
@@alaric_ To add to that list - same also during Greater Wrath early 1700s - Russians attacking Finland and Swedish army being beaten - again Finns running into forests to hide. There are even literal locations of hideout cabins from those times still known. History recorded in local stories. And yea - in Finn on You Tube. One such a story tells of a maid and her mistress, who was about to give birth went hiding at a place at the time on bit more solid ground middle of a swamp. But the cassocks, a group of four of them, finding their way there. But the women survived because the maid had seen them coming and rushed back into the cabin. She figured that it would be the end of them - but that she would none the less go down fighting and try. So she grabbed a nice bit of firewood and positioned herself next to the door way. When the first of the Russians stepped in she gave a mighty hit with the wood piece right on his head, putting her back to it and the man fell down. Somehow the men knew they were there after just a couple of women - so the next one followed him - getting the same treatment. Apparently they were drunk too and laughing that it would not be that hard to handle a few women. So the third one stuck his head in again getting hit, but bit less accurately at that moment. He stumbled out backwards - but the maid had gotten to 'swing of things' and followed him out - in enraged fury attacking the man again with her make sift club. Then turning on the last man who attempted to flee, but didn't get anywhere. And this story aside - that period in history was certainly one when people had reason to escape. See after the Swedes lost the battle, the Finnish farmers had chosen to raise their own make sift army to fend off the attackers. Doing this enraged the Russian Tsar and his military leaders such - 'how dare the mere dirt pushers rise against the Tsar' -sort of a thing - and so they literally ordered the collection of and killing of countless of Finns - especially men. At some point, some military leader figured that they could use the women and kids for slaves where ever they set up camps - and later taking and selling them into slavery in Russia. This was before Finland became part of Russia - and the last recorded time when Russians did enact to take prisoners from Finland into slavery. Also some Vikings had done that, or attempted. There are currently living families in Finland whose forefather has been one of those kids who managed to escape. It is said that they took then close to 30K people prisoner and slaves. But notably, they also nearly killed of grand areas of Finnish population. So yea, Finns have that history of escaping into the woods. And no, these stories aren't very prominently present or weren't in the school history books, because for a long time during the Cold War written word had to be self-censorship to keep the Russian leaders happy aka from getting upset with Finland. It wasn't just that certain books had to be published in Sweden, because the KGB was crawling all over Finland and allowing their publishing in the country would have been risky. So yea - in fact these events are simply in affect too old to think back to - and the latest war is still very fresh a period of the past - but for a Finn the forest is a place of safety. Would be so also from the criminal perspective.
Alexi Laiho, the frontman of children of boom unfortunately and suddenly passed away quite recently at a very young age; it was a huge blow to the metal community. They actually in fact have a song called Lake Bodom.
@@chadprinceton8486Alexi was a MF virtuoso, that man could make a guitar sing. The song Bodom Beach Terror has one of the best metal solos maybe ever it's so fuckin good but I could say that about like 30 CoB songs, Alexi was an insane guitar player/frontman.
@@alaric_ Well he is telling a story from another time - time when the police in Finland had not yet learned proper crime scene practice and had rather easy to escape prisons - lol. But you have to also understand that this is one of the worst things that ever happen in the country during modern history.
Also the Brivik murders. Even more than Finland Norway has a reputation as a paradise and in some ways that is true. However there was a significant dent put into that by a mass shooting on a high school camp that killed 27 and injured 14. It had a lot of police incompetence as it took them over 2,5 hours to reach the teens which is why the death count is so high.
tbf.. imagine how many bad people are hiding in America's massive forests? at least Finland found some of them..eventually. my take away is don't go into the forest, or go out really😬
From Wikipedia: The Iceman Cometh is a play written by American playwright Eugene O'Neill in 1939. First published in 1946, the play premiered on Broadway at the Martin Beck Theatre on October 9, 1946.
That was the 60s. Finland was still paying the war depts, so Police forces could only afford Patrols at cities but not woods (unless someone ”911-calls” from the wilderness cabins...)
"Grab a marshmallow form the bag there, so, what' you in [the forest] for this time?" "Just a murder and petty thief, the usual" Can imagine the criminals making campfires sharing murder stories together XD Wonder how awkward it must be to spot one another or if they'll understand the "You stay on your side and I'll stay on mine"
Police: 'we're looking for a 6-foot blonde with a history of violence. Likely covered in blood and willing to confess.' Police: > returns to town with multiple buss-loads of suspects Police: "...We may need to refine our process."
@@romaliopalso since many young adults at this time (1960) were born/grew up during/after WWII, I would suspect that some level of strict rationing and lack of food supply resulted in stunted growth
(Video Spoilers) Lake Bodom sounds like a horror movie lake . A man drowned himself in it, tons of criminals found around the area when they searched the area, an escaped convict covered in blood, a serial killer in the area, a nazi/possible kgb spy a few hours away and a bunch of brutally dead campers. If this was a horror movie, it would have been made fun of for being so unlikely.
Michael Dougherty should direct a movie about this. For those who don't know, his work includes godzilla Kong of monsters, trick 'r treat and krampus. Pretty under rated director imo
If we qualify the scariness of a place by what’s within a “several hour away” radius I think most places would have a horrific history. Like Orange County is scary because the Zodiac killer may have murdered someone in Riverside 😂
Tips on Finnish pronunciation for anyone interested: the emphasis is always on the first syllable. J is always pronounced like the y in yard. Now good luck telling which of these names are Finnish and which are Swedish (Finland's second official language), where these rules don't apply.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue Loads of Finns have Swedish surnames, though 😂 As a Finn, the differences feel blindingly obvious to me, but I'm just now realising that I still can't put my finger on the differences that would help me explain it to someone who speaks no Nordic languages 🤷♀️
@@hiitehinen I was mostly joking lol. My buddies and I noticed lot of surnames ending in -strom -quist, -lund are typically Swede players. A lot of Finn players have first names that seem unique to Finns (at least in the west) ...Teemu, Saku, Timo, Jari, Sami, Pekka. Just one of those weird associations me and my friends had over too many beers watching the playoffs a while back. Don't take us seriously lol.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue You're right though, Finnish first names are pretty unique, and all the -quists and -ströms are Swedish surnames, it's just that they're numerous in Finland too 😂
Honestly the pronunciations for Finnish names and words make sense to me, Swedish confuses me lol. So does English tbh, and that's my native language 😂
Many metal fans: I know more about this case than the average person. Many hockey fans: I can pronounce these Finnish names better than the average person.
As a Finnish fan of the series, this was truly a delight. I hope one day there will be a video on Kyllikki Saari, the oven homicide or the Viking Sally murder - other famous Finnish murder cases.
The Serial Drowner (Sarjahukuttaja) could be an interesting one, too! Even though it's a fresh case. The Kyllikki Saari case would be very interesting to listen to. It's one of those that, much like Lake Bodom, I doubt it'll ever be solved.
I love that the very first time you've ever laid eyes on this script, and even any of this information, is when you're reading it in front of a camera.
There's an episode of Sienfeld where Kramer mistakenly gets a proctologist's vanity license plates. The DMV clerk tells him, "According to the State of New York, you are the ass man." Classic.
As IF they tried to pin it on a 15 year old with brains dribbling out of his nose. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in true crime circles. Like, absurd. I don't blame him for sueing them.
It’s also suspicious how this attempt happened so soon after the doctor published his book about the Assmann conspiracy. As if the police were trying to divert attention away from the book…
Ryan Waller I think was a close contender for the dumbest true crime story ever. That guy had been shot in the face, in the head, along with his girlfriend and the police arrested him on the spot and took him for questioning. Guys sitting there trying to answer questions with bullet holes IN HIS FACE and the dumb cop doesn't notice his obvious brain damaged state, not to mention his poor face.
When Simon says he can add a topic here but it doesn't fit it means 1 of 2 things, either a new channel, or it goes on business blaze.... because, business
I think the Dyatlov Pass incident would fit here quite well, but if he made a new channel specifically going over unsolved mysteries or interesting natural disasters or whatever theme he felt was appropriate, I'd still subscribe and probably watch every video lol
I've been camping and hiking in those woods and near by areas some and I have to concur with this ; there are some strange men living in these woods months on end . Strange, tattooed, scarred, awkward guys wearing leather and/or camouflage, living in in tents, guys who don't like to tell their real names and avoid all details about their lives ...
p.s. No need to worry about camping in Finland too much, I know a lot of people who do it all the time and at least a dozen Women who camp and hike all around Finland ALONE many times a year, and they've all been fine, so I think you'd be too... Unless you have to worry about KGB?
Up to 88 of them at any one time it seems! 😂 I laughed so much at that. I'm Australian but perhaps with some Finish heritage; I too disappeared into our local woods to avoid punishment for a terrible 8th grade report card 😜😂😂
I've considered driving there and going hiking in those woods but now I’m not so sure lmao, had some friends camp out at the site this summer and apparently it was uneventful but I tend to hike alone so the thought of running into these strange men you speak of creeps the hell out of me.
@@annikkirahko6714 My entire family (who immigrated from Finland) lives in rural, northern Minnesota. They are quite isolated and mostly speak Finnish. Nobody else in rural Minnesota seems to mind. Unlike flipping rural Ohio where your neighbors give waaaaaaay too much mental space to what everyone else is doing.
While we're in escaped convict land-i mean Finland, you could cover the 1987 Viking Sally Murder. Murder on a boat is fairly unusual might be interesting.
I think that they are about to solve that murder very soon (Viking Sally murder). At least it's been on the Finnish newspapers very often during these last few days, because there's been progress with the investigation.
Can we get confirmation that Alexi or Jaska looked in a phone book for names and found the name "Bodom" for their band? I hate to be that guy but ever since Alexi died, I've been watching hours of interviews and anything else to do with Bodom (which is how I found this awesone video). After viewing all the footage from various interviews, I can safely say that the legend/mystery of Lake Bodom was well known to these teenagers since they lived in Espoo. Not only was it something that was brought up occasionally since the town is very close to Bodom, but Alexi spent time on the lake. In fact, Alexi said he regularly drove out there as a teen with his buddies before his band got famous and got drunk on the regular out there. In summation, I think it's safe to say it the phone book story is nothing more than fiction.
I was about to comment about how TCC should not be so comedic when talking about the Bodom murders - because I wanted a serious analyses - but when Hans "Assmann" from "Espoo" came up... I knew the odds were stacked against me. Damn you, Finland.
Simon managed to lure a fourth one down there recently too, if I remember right. Don't think the milk carton has been printed yet, so I can't tell you what they look like....
@@lostbutfreesoul this is why there will never be a biographics on the riveting life of Danny. If we don't know what they look like, we won't know how to find them. Lmao.
Hello from Espoo! I was so proud our local mystery got a video so early on the channel's life! Loved how Simon butchered those names! Also, Espoo and Helsinki are more forest than city so it's quite a good place to hide in the forests. That's were all the drunkards go after closing...
Do not forget it was the 60s. We were still paying our war depts, right? Also, the caricatures of Kari Suomalainen of that era are also quite... just look at them... 😂😅
I’m with Simon - #3 for sure. That picture of him at the funeral looks EXACTLY like the police sketch that was done. Both creepy AF. Does make you wonder what his motive was, though. Why these four teens? Why beat kids to death who he’d never had any interactions with previously? That’s some f*ckedupedness right there.
Beyond the motive, there are these problems too: - If his role in these (and other) murders truly were covered up to appease the USSR, why was he nonetheless jailed at one point for beating his wife? (for clarification, this did happen at the time he was supposedly a spy in Finland). - Would the USSR truly care about protecting a spy who goes rogue to kill some random teens? - Why did he arrive AT A HOSPITAL bloodied? - Assmann’s jaw isn’t quite so angular/boxy as the person in the sketch or the funeral (but those two do look quite alike each other). This is most obvious in the photo used at the cover of Palo’s book. - His deathbed confessions have some outright lies. He never worked at a concentration camp, but served instead in the Luftwaffe. That was found out by a person on a Finnish crime forum who sought out Assmann’s relatives to explore the validity of his claims. He also wasn’t in Finland when Kyllikki Saari (an unrelated murder to whom he inderectly confessed) was murdered. He seems to have enjoyed saying creepy things for attention, which also makes his murder confessions suspect.
@@joonaa2751 There's too much uncertainty and unconfirmed rumor about Assmann to properly assess him as a suspect IMO. I've always felt the Kioskman was a much more likely suspect based on the evidence available. I also wouldn't rule out that the killer was a mentally deranged drifter rather than a local, which would explain why the killer took and wore a pair of the victims' shoes.
80+ criminals lurking in the woods??! That campground should have a warning: 🚷⛔*Beware of bears, wolves & psychopathic boogaloo - please do not feed the wildlife. Protection should be carried at all times - a personal security detail is recommended as our police are more scared of the woods than you!* ⛔🔞
'Reckon after the war(s) a lot of criminals had learned how to live in the woods (and avoid military service). Before the war it wasn't that uncommon (not to say it was a preferred choice) to live outdoors by yourself , perhaps grampa taught how to live in the forest with natural resources etc.
It's not much of a campground, just a spot in the woods on the shore of a random lake, more people go there now after the murders than ever before them lol
If he had cerebrospinal fluid dripping out of his nose, he might have some issues murdering three people and covering up said murder. Adrenaline is one hell of a drug, but it's pretty decently countered by literal brain damage. Sincerely, a psychology student who previously suffered brain damage.
Hitting yourself hard enough to show your teeth through your jaw is real dedication to the cover up. Not buying it. If he did do it, that's some hell-er Vodka.
Not to mention the fractured skull with CSF leaking. That would cause almost instant knockout or coma and the blood and CSF covered rock used to do that would be lying around very near as evidence
and the fact the prosecution and police willfully ignored pretty important evidence just because it didn't fit their narrative was pretty damning. Like, shit man, there could be other reasons why the dude's shoes didn't have his blood on it. Hell, you'd thnk his should would have his own blood on them if he HAD gotten hurt in a drunken fight/cut his own face up
@@sarafontanini7051 The immediate obvious thing with the shoes are that they are out hiking by a lake, if he wants to dip his feet in the lake, or accidentaly got water in the shoes.. they go off somewhere on the campsite and are left to dry. Not a big mystery that one.
There's also the detail he got hit on the back of the head. To hit yourself on the back of the head so hard your brain fluids start leaking requires superhuman levels of strength and determination. I mean there are cases where the culprit harmed themselves to throw the police of but usually the injuries were both lite and done at angles easy to do. Hitting yourself in the back of the head with enough force to kill you is not something I'd expect from a drunk 18yo.
Yay ! Finally someone does an episode on the Bodom murders (and a good one too)!! Now if I can put in a request, there is a finnish woman called Anneli Auer that may or may not have murdered her husband and the whole story confuses me. The court case went on and on and she was convicted and then exonerated again and then more evidence turned up against her bla bla. I need someone to clear this up for me!!
Regarding the murder of the two camping young women that Assman was tied to, it is commonly thought that the actual murderer was a local young man that the two young women turned down previously. It happened in a small town and the local police was quite desperate to find a non-local suspect and Assman fit the bill.
I very much love your impromptu readings of the writer's scripts in this podcast. I am new to listening and the writer's witty humor coupled with your impromptu reactions and responses make for a very entertaining and unique experience when listening to someone discuss what would normally be a pretty dark and serious topic. I love your stuff - thank you for producing these.
Simon: Bodom will forever be synonymous with the Finnish Melodic Death Metal scene... Dammit Danny! What have I told you about editing Callum's scripts!
I love that I'm not the only one with a 12 year olds sense of humor!!!! I used to work at a car rental agency where we could look up client names during the night shift when we were bored. Completely unprofessional,but I was 19 and it was highly entertaining! We discovered a Benjamin Dover, Richard Balls, a Dr. Death. It was amazing!
I went to school with a guy called Lester Maher. First day of highschool they read out last name first, we all laughed, turned out he was very touchy about it, and was big and could fight. Nice guy tho, friends with him on Facebook still.
I worked at a Hellman's underwear warehouse for a while, packaging and mailing women's underwear. I mailed underwear to women named Rong Rong Dong, Joke Wonk, and Marcelline Burgerdjick-Donker. All in the Netherlands. Dutch names are something else.
Simon: "I've had blood on clothes and I've had paint on clothes, it's really different." Me: What are you getting up to Simon? Also how is Danny doing in your basement?
That is the creepiest sketch I've ever seen. Sad that may have been the last face these poor kids ever seen. Assman looks?exactly like the sketch. How could it not be him?
The person in the sketch (as well as the person at the funeral) has a much boxier jaw than Assmann. This is most obvious in the photo of him used at the cover of Palo’s book.
Well, we have fells (tunturi), not really mountains as most people would picture them. Halti has the highest point in Finland at about 1324 meters, though it's highest peak is in Norway. The Alps this is not. EDIT: I thought if people know anything about Finland, it is that we drink a lot...
What people "know" about the Finns, they drink, they have had some truly terrifying snipers (or maybe only the one but if so he was more than enough), they think 5 people is overcrowded for any occasion, and they have one of the weirdest languages in the western hemisphere. Oh yeah, they also drink. No idea how Simon missed that.
Norway tried to gift Finland the peak a few years ago, but failed due to the Norwegian constitution prohibiting such a gift. I think the gift as supposed to be for an anniversary of Finish independence from Sweden or something. Figures Norway would give away land to celebrate a time someone stuck it Sweden.
yeah like when i worked in pasila for a while (en oo suomalainen, mutta olin töissä helsingissä 2013:ssa) when i got to work at 9 am people were already drunk, soooo
God it must have been funny to be in Hans's unit in the army. "Assman! Report to the stores!" "ASSMAN!!!" "We have a letter for an Assman....it's from Espoo"
11:00 - This is why I don't litter. Knowing my luck, even in the middle of the woods, someone would get killed nearby. The cops would find the piece of trash from the ONE time I ever littered in my entire life, lift my prints, and charge me with one count of littering, and first-degree murder.
No! This case could so easily be solved if it was dug up and their things were in there. And whoever lives there now, well - why the hell would anyone hear this story and not want to know the answer, if you live in the suspects old house, surely that would just make you even more curious - I'm sure there would be no issue with the police getting their permission.
When me and my brother were little we wanted to set a tent in our backyard and sleep there for the night until our parents casually mentioned this Bodom lake murder case
@Toni Ahola Yeah, is also quite hard to get convicted for a crime you could not physically commit. Skull fractured from the back, fractured jaw, brain fluid spilling out. You can't lift a finger after that, nevermind making personal belongings of the victims disappear completely ( but forgetting the shoes) and run back to pretend to be the victim of such brutal assault. Because the guy was found close to the tents, while the shoes were like over 100 meters distand. Let's pretend that this guy hit himself on the back of his head with a rock or something else...a hit that hard would have made him pass out right next to the weapon, don't you think?
I love having CC episodes on while I play xbox after getting home from very labour intensive work. Awesome. Thank you, Simon. Kept me company for weeks!
I think it'd be awesome for you to discuss the Dyatlov Pass incident on here. It still totally suits the vibe and tone of this channel, and it's SOOOO MUCH WEIRDER than just the possible avalanche factor. I've enjoyed a few videos on it (Caitlin/Ask A Mortician being my favorite, btw awesome-possible-collab-alert just saying) -- but you and your team tend to hit a particularly exciting balance of deep research and enjoyable delivery, so I'd totally tune in to hear you discuss that story with just as much enthusiasm as I have when tuning in for unfamiliar topics!
Oh! I have a suggestion instead of the Florida Man stories after particularly rough episodes: supershorts on heists that went hilariously, disastrously wrong (or right). May or may not incidentally contain Florida Man. Simon likes heists, so I figured it would fit as a light ending. Also while in heists: The Gardner Museum heist. Apart from just being interesting it involves a security guard who was a bassist in a rock band and freely admitted to coming to work drunk and stoned after gigs. Also would totally love to hear a Dyatlov Pass update episode.
I think hypnosis is still used in some circles, although rather than digging for new ingo with it it's more of a concentration technique for people why may be in a state of disarray
@@LSSYLondon I updated an outlet to one with USB ports between the plugs after drinking a few... it works and it’s wired right, but it doesn’t look the best haha.
You have forever changed how I react to this murder case, more specifically: how it now brings a smile on my face when I walk past that book at the local bookstore. We speak both finnish and swedish here so "Assmann" is almost automatically pronunciated with a swedish accent. Any Word that doesnt sound finnish, is likely therefore swedish. That's the assumption at least. So when I heard you say "the Assman who lives in Espoo" well.. there's just no going back anymore. Had a good laugh.
Hypnosis is real but it's not like they portray it in the movies. It doesn't make you a mindless zombie. It's similar to the trance in between sleep and waking consciousness and you are highly receptive to suggestions. Certain people are more receptive. Its actually very calming, I used to have a yoga instructor who talked us into a semi hypnotic state after class, I always came up refreshed. But yeah, hypnosis is real, but it's not like people think it is. Edit, also sometimes makes isn't easier to recall details around particularly emotional events by providing a state of mental calm.
@Simon Whistler Thank you so much for hosting all the shows you have under your belt. You are so passionate and charismatic to listen to. Always 100% enjoyable! And thank you to Callum for all the scripts! You are a great team! No wonder you have such a great audience! Keep it up :) best wishes. UK/Latvia fans out here!
We know it wasn't an avalanch. Those things leaves evidence. I read a theory recently that it just sounded like one because of the some unusual wind stuff in the area. The campers were used to spenning time in nature, and knew very well the rumbling sound of what they thought was an avalanch. This caused them to flee their tent, and they succumbed to hypothermia before they made it back.
@@bevoss7573 Not the radioactive clothes... I think they picked that up on accident elsewhere though. Didn't one of them have a job/study something where he could have come in close contact with radioactive materials?
@@bevoss7573 It explains pretty much everything else. If they thought they were seconds away from being buried in snow, cutting open the tent walls and fleeing makes sense. Hypothermia can also make you disoriented, and makes some people undress because people think they're actually warm, not freezing.
There's a Fimnish metal band who named themselves after this event Children of Bodom The even have a song called "Bodom Beach Terror" about the event, had always heard about this event but never researched the actual story, thanks for another awesome video!
"Towns have villains? The world has actual villains? Isn't that just from fiction?"
Simon, I present to you the case of Ken McElroy, a man so hated that he was gunned down in broad daylight in front of approximately 46 witnesses, including his wife, none of whom saw anything.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
I honestly think the case would be a good addition to this show.
Yes! I hardly ever hear about this. Good idea!
Lol just to let you know, people that lived in villages were referred to by royalty as villains, and then it turn to a neg discrimination against lowercase, uneducated.
Then a term for people that do illegal things
Thanks for the link, that’s an awesome story. My favorite part is when the sheriff is like don’t do anything stupid and then leaves town. Sounds like something that would happen in an old western.
Skidmore Mo! If you can find it AE did a series called city confidential they featured McElroy.
@@TGuard00014 small town in the American South...thats about how it goes.
When Simon said, "The Assman Comith" my son from the other room ..."Mom, the teacher asked if you can you mute your video for a minute so she can take attendance." Perfect timing. I heard a bunch of 8th graders laughing as only 8th graders can at things like that.
Perfection 🤣
Hahaha! 😂😁🖒
PRICELESS!:-) 😂😂😂🖖
Oh my goodness...L.O.L That is awesome.!!!! 😄😃😀😝😝😝😝😄😄😄
Your son is now a Legend at school.
me when I saw the photofit: "That looks like a cartoon villain. Nobody's eyes are that creepy in real life."
me when I saw the picture of Assmann: "I can admit when I'm wrong." lol
Shivered me it did!:-/ 🖖
Seriously though 42:11 is creepy af
The one time a sketch looks more like a real human than the photographs lol
I looked away from the screen after the first glimpse of that sketch. Chilling...
I’m going to have nightmares about the Assmann. Why do I do this to myself.
Yeah, no way it was the guy who hated campers, threw rocks at them, cut guy lines on tents, threatened his beaten wife into providing an alibi, filled in a well on his property, admitted to the killings nine years later and then killed himself the next day.
Nothing to see here, folks! 🥸
As usual, everybody just wants to lay the guilt at the German guy's doorstep, so typical... When have we Germans ever done something wrong? :/
@@robinmaul4681 murkel was bitter about brexit and hurt the Euro in the process
@@puzzledotgamer5461
Okay, but that was the only exception. Apart from that, our vests are sparkling white :)
@@robinmaul4681 you also had that moment in the late 30's to mid 40's
I hate to disappoint but can confirm (as a German native) that the name "Assmann" directly translated to English would be "Ace Man".
But he can remain Ass Man in our hearts.
😂😂😂😂😂
“He was blonde, officer!”
do you know how little that narrows it down?
Ahhh! 80% of the country... suspicious.
They were all in on it.
Sorry, that's all you get.
actually most finns arent blonde......
@@grumpyfinn true, that´s more of a swedish/norwegian thing
I’m holding out for the video “3 straight hours of Simon attempting to pronounce non English names”
Simon pronounce IKEA furniture names
And finnish names, of all un-pronounceble language. I’m swedish, and have met finnish people, and most of it sounds and spells like hekki fjäkki noine lakkinen, fronndi kakka yxi kaxi☺️
Michael Stevens would do it.
Make sure to include some Japanese. He loooooooves those.
how about a new channel of this...i would sub to it
Running into the woods to escape justice is a very important part of Finnish culture, so much so that it's featured in one of the most important pieces of Finnish literature, Seitsemän veljestä by Aleksis Kivi (the Seven Brothers), published in 1870. No wonder they found so many criminals out in the woods.
Like the seven dwarves?
@@revthescatman137 well yeah. Ehat did you think snow white was about
The practice has been employed for at least a millenia. Only couple of records survive of Finland pre-1000 CE but in general they apparently were more peacefull times than any time after 1000 CE.
- Records of vikings (pre-1050 CE) trying to pillage Finnish seaside villages ended most of the time because the inhabitants managed to escape into the woods. Empty villages containing little to no valuables, viking raids finally ended helped by one of the few strikes back from Finnish that almost killed the entire raiding party that included a future king of Norway (Battle at Herdaler).
- After Swedish and Novgorodians started (as early as 1050 CE) their murderous attacks to Finland, escaping into the woods was practically the only way to survive. Everytime when either attacked Finland it ended in a massacre, burning of the villages and murder of hudreds or thousands, raising the question: Why *not* escape to the woods?!
- During the Civil War in 1918, Communist Reds employed the same tactic. Retreating to the woods to gather forces, at this time they were nicknamed "Pine Cone Guard". This name got later transferred to all dodgers or escapees from military service.
- During the Winter War/Continuation War/Lappland War, many who did not want to fight, did so by escaping into the woods. Military having little time to chase few men, those men lived in the forest for years. These men and those that failed morale check and retreated in panic also got the name "Pine Cone Guard".
@@alaric_ Unless you actually believe that everything was sunshine and rainbows before 1000 CE then the present day Finland is undoubtably the most peaceful Finland has ever been. Also, what records exist of Finland pre-1000 CE?
@@alaric_ To add to that list - same also during Greater Wrath early 1700s - Russians attacking Finland and Swedish army being beaten - again Finns running into forests to hide. There are even literal locations of hideout cabins from those times still known. History recorded in local stories.
And yea - in Finn on You Tube. One such a story tells of a maid and her mistress, who was about to give birth went hiding at a place at the time on bit more solid ground middle of a swamp. But the cassocks, a group of four of them, finding their way there. But the women survived because the maid had seen them coming and rushed back into the cabin. She figured that it would be the end of them - but that she would none the less go down fighting and try. So she grabbed a nice bit of firewood and positioned herself next to the door way. When the first of the Russians stepped in she gave a mighty hit with the wood piece right on his head, putting her back to it and the man fell down.
Somehow the men knew they were there after just a couple of women - so the next one followed him - getting the same treatment. Apparently they were drunk too and laughing that it would not be that hard to handle a few women. So the third one stuck his head in again getting hit, but bit less accurately at that moment. He stumbled out backwards - but the maid had gotten to 'swing of things' and followed him out - in enraged fury attacking the man again with her make sift club. Then turning on the last man who attempted to flee, but didn't get anywhere.
And this story aside - that period in history was certainly one when people had reason to escape. See after the Swedes lost the battle, the Finnish farmers had chosen to raise their own make sift army to fend off the attackers. Doing this enraged the Russian Tsar and his military leaders such - 'how dare the mere dirt pushers rise against the Tsar' -sort of a thing - and so they literally ordered the collection of and killing of countless of Finns - especially men. At some point, some military leader figured that they could use the women and kids for slaves where ever they set up camps - and later taking and selling them into slavery in Russia. This was before Finland became part of Russia - and the last recorded time when Russians did enact to take prisoners from Finland into slavery.
Also some Vikings had done that, or attempted. There are currently living families in Finland whose forefather has been one of those kids who managed to escape. It is said that they took then close to 30K people prisoner and slaves. But notably, they also nearly killed of grand areas of Finnish population. So yea, Finns have that history of escaping into the woods. And no, these stories aren't very prominently present or weren't in the school history books, because for a long time during the Cold War written word had to be self-censorship to keep the Russian leaders happy aka from getting upset with Finland. It wasn't just that certain books had to be published in Sweden, because the KGB was crawling all over Finland and allowing their publishing in the country would have been risky.
So yea - in fact these events are simply in affect too old to think back to - and the latest war is still very fresh a period of the past - but for a Finn the forest is a place of safety. Would be so also from the criminal perspective.
Alexi Laiho, the frontman of children of boom unfortunately and suddenly passed away quite recently at a very young age; it was a huge blow to the metal community. They actually in fact have a song called Lake Bodom.
There name, in fact, is “Children of Bodom”
And the song is an absolute banger with one of the best guitar solos you can hear
@@chadprinceton8486Alexi was a MF virtuoso, that man could make a guitar sing. The song Bodom Beach Terror has one of the best metal solos maybe ever it's so fuckin good but I could say that about like 30 CoB songs, Alexi was an insane guitar player/frontman.
It’s a shame that the metal scene is plagued with so much alcoholism. He quite literally drank himself to death. 😔
@@YogsenForfothit's sad too because he was sober years before he died but that damage had been done and there was no saving his liver :(
“Putting razor blades in apples makes me feel like you may be a bit of a murderer.” The most English thing I’ve ever heard Simon say lmao
Simon: Finland is so safe.
Also Simon: Dozens of criminals hide in the Finnish wilderness.
Finland is so safe because they are all in the wilderness! :D
@@alaric_ Well he is telling a story from another time - time when the police in Finland had not yet learned proper crime scene practice and had rather easy to escape prisons - lol. But you have to also understand that this is one of the worst things that ever happen in the country during modern history.
Also the Brivik murders.
Even more than Finland Norway has a reputation as a paradise and in some ways that is true. However there was a significant dent put into that by a mass shooting on a high school camp that killed 27 and injured 14.
It had a lot of police incompetence as it took them over 2,5 hours to reach the teens which is why the death count is so high.
tbf.. imagine how many bad people are hiding in America's massive forests? at least Finland found some of them..eventually. my take away is don't go into the forest, or go out really😬
@@lyrigageforge3259 this happened like 50 years ago
"The Assman cometh" is a great simon whistler quote
Never to be quoted in context. This is the way.
Would be great on Business Blaze merch!
Çc
From Wikipedia:
The Iceman Cometh is a play written by American playwright Eugene O'Neill in 1939. First published in 1946, the play premiered on Broadway at the Martin Beck Theatre on October 9, 1946.
I wonder if he had vanity plates.. if not that's definitely a missed opportunity!
The 88 criminals makes me thing that maybe they need to do regular patrols around those woods
"The 88 Criminals " sounds like a heavy metal band.
@@PlatinumIrishrose I thought "Son of 100 Maniacs" myself...or the origin story for one Mr Fred Krueger. But they're both pretty metal.
That was the 60s. Finland was still paying the war depts, so Police forces could only afford Patrols at cities but not woods (unless someone ”911-calls” from the wilderness cabins...)
"Grab a marshmallow form the bag there, so, what' you in [the forest] for this time?"
"Just a murder and petty thief, the usual"
Can imagine the criminals making campfires sharing murder stories together XD
Wonder how awkward it must be to spot one another or if they'll understand the "You stay on your side and I'll stay on mine"
Police: 'we're looking for a 6-foot blonde with a history of violence. Likely covered in blood and willing to confess.'
Police: > returns to town with multiple buss-loads of suspects
Police: "...We may need to refine our process."
"I know what to do!"
"What?"
"Let's blame the survivor with brain damage!"
I thought the suspect was said to be 5’8 but still funny 😂
@@DannyLovesJesusI was going to say isnt 5'8 noticably short in finland? Isnt everyone there like 6ft+?
@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 The average height has increased since, 5'8'' was probably pretty close to average at the time.
@@romaliopalso since many young adults at this time (1960) were born/grew up during/after WWII, I would suspect that some level of strict rationing and lack of food supply resulted in stunted growth
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Lake Bodom sounds like a horror movie lake . A man drowned himself in it, tons of criminals found around the area when they searched the area, an escaped convict covered in blood, a serial killer in the area, a nazi/possible kgb spy a few hours away and a bunch of brutally dead campers. If this was a horror movie, it would have been made fun of for being so unlikely.
And children of bodom will produce a soundtrack 👌
Michael Dougherty should direct a movie about this. For those who don't know, his work includes godzilla Kong of monsters, trick 'r treat and krampus. Pretty under rated director imo
Well, there's already a death metal band named after it.
Friday the 13th was based on these murders.
If we qualify the scariness of a place by what’s within a “several hour away” radius I think most places would have a horrific history. Like Orange County is scary because the Zodiac killer may have murdered someone in Riverside 😂
Tips on Finnish pronunciation for anyone interested: the emphasis is always on the first syllable. J is always pronounced like the y in yard. Now good luck telling which of these names are Finnish and which are Swedish (Finland's second official language), where these rules don't apply.
I've noticed it's easier to mark swedes by their last name, and fins by their first...at least this is what the NHL has taught me lol.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue Loads of Finns have Swedish surnames, though 😂 As a Finn, the differences feel blindingly obvious to me, but I'm just now realising that I still can't put my finger on the differences that would help me explain it to someone who speaks no Nordic languages 🤷♀️
@@hiitehinen I was mostly joking lol. My buddies and I noticed lot of surnames ending in -strom -quist, -lund are typically Swede players. A lot of Finn players have first names that seem unique to Finns (at least in the west) ...Teemu, Saku, Timo, Jari, Sami, Pekka. Just one of those weird associations me and my friends had over too many beers watching the playoffs a while back. Don't take us seriously lol.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue You're right though, Finnish first names are pretty unique, and all the -quists and -ströms are Swedish surnames, it's just that they're numerous in Finland too 😂
Honestly the pronunciations for Finnish names and words make sense to me, Swedish confuses me lol. So does English tbh, and that's my native language 😂
Many metal fans: I know more about this case than the average person.
Many hockey fans: I can pronounce these Finnish names better than the average person.
Finnish metal fans: :)
For real 😂
This is where people who are fans of both truly excel lol
Finland does have the most metal bands per...
@@The_Other_Ghost Only Finland can produce a metal band that wins the Eurovision song contest.
Really cool to see Children of Bodom get a mention. Though sadly their lead vocalist+guitarist Alexi Laiho died in 2020 :(
I wondered why that name seemed familiar. Thank you!
Their cover of hell is for children is awesome
We're the hate crew 🤘🤘
I was looking for a COB related comment earlier!
As a Finnish fan of the series, this was truly a delight. I hope one day there will be a video on Kyllikki Saari, the oven homicide or the Viking Sally murder - other famous Finnish murder cases.
The Serial Drowner (Sarjahukuttaja) could be an interesting one, too! Even though it's a fresh case.
The Kyllikki Saari case would be very interesting to listen to. It's one of those that, much like Lake Bodom, I doubt it'll ever be solved.
I love that the very first time you've ever laid eyes on this script, and even any of this information, is when you're reading it in front of a camera.
There's an episode of Sienfeld where Kramer mistakenly gets a proctologist's vanity license plates. The DMV clerk tells him, "According to the State of New York, you are the ass man." Classic.
That was the first thing that popped into my mind when Simon said it!:-) 🖖
I remember that episode...hilarious. 😆😂
“I didn’t know the Finns were big drinkers.”
Laughs in Kimi Räikkönen.
*Laughs in American troops once drank your entire beer supply* Merica.
Edit: We actually drank Iceland's supply
Laughs in Harri Olli
Yes. Yes we are
Laughs in Roope Latvala.
Doesn't Finland literally translate to wine country? Or am I way off?
As IF they tried to pin it on a 15 year old with brains dribbling out of his nose.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in true crime circles. Like, absurd. I don't blame him for sueing them.
Same!
It’s also suspicious how this attempt happened so soon after the doctor published his book about the Assmann conspiracy. As if the police were trying to divert attention away from the book…
Ryan Waller I think was a close contender for the dumbest true crime story ever. That guy had been shot in the face, in the head, along with his girlfriend and the police arrested him on the spot and took him for questioning. Guys sitting there trying to answer questions with bullet holes IN HIS FACE and the dumb cop doesn't notice his obvious brain damaged state, not to mention his poor face.
He was 18, not 15, but still lol
Possibly the best of Simon’s five dozen CZcams channels 😁
"Finland is known for dramatic mountains" we dont even have mountains here if you dont count the present from norway on our 100th birtday lol
That is what I thought 😸
Simon's beard is looking fairly majestic these days.
Absolute legends know it's the Beard Blaze oil
Likely thanks to The Dollar Shave Club!
Beard Blaze FTW!
Definitely his oils from Beard Blaze
I can feel the volume of it, through my screen
When Simon says he can add a topic here but it doesn't fit it means 1 of 2 things, either a new channel, or it goes on business blaze.... because, business
I'm hoping Blaze, Simon's CZcams domination already takes over my homepage.
Edit: Naw, new channel. We need more.
I think the Dyatlov Pass incident would fit here quite well, but if he made a new channel specifically going over unsolved mysteries or interesting natural disasters or whatever theme he felt was appropriate, I'd still subscribe and probably watch every video lol
Allegedly
As a Finn, I can tell you that Callum's impression of us is 100% correct.
Soo glad you mentioned COB thanks Simon. They were my guitar heros back in the day.
Man, Lake Bodom is such a great song. RIP Alexi.
"I've had blood on my clothes before" - Simon Whistler
I love these out of context quotes
To be fair, who hasn’t?
@@--enyo-- Especially women.
This man knows the importance of an alibi.
"Your honor, bloody clothes isn't out of the ordinary for me."
From fighting people into his basement
I've been camping and hiking in those woods and near by areas some and I have to concur with this ; there are some strange men living in these woods months on end . Strange, tattooed, scarred, awkward guys wearing leather and/or camouflage, living in in tents, guys who don't like to tell their real names and avoid all details about their lives ...
p.s. No need to worry about camping in Finland too much, I know a lot of people who do it all the time and at least a dozen Women who camp and hike all around Finland ALONE many times a year, and they've all been fine, so I think you'd be too... Unless you have to worry about KGB?
Up to 88 of them at any one time it seems! 😂 I laughed so much at that. I'm Australian but perhaps with some Finish heritage; I too disappeared into our local woods to avoid punishment for a terrible 8th grade report card 😜😂😂
Lol sounds like most of Minnesota😂
I've considered driving there and going hiking in those woods but now I’m not so sure lmao, had some friends camp out at the site this summer and apparently it was uneventful but I tend to hike alone so the thought of running into these strange men you speak of creeps the hell out of me.
@@annikkirahko6714 My entire family (who immigrated from Finland) lives in rural, northern Minnesota. They are quite isolated and mostly speak Finnish. Nobody else in rural Minnesota seems to mind. Unlike flipping rural Ohio where your neighbors give waaaaaaay too much mental space to what everyone else is doing.
While we're in escaped convict land-i mean Finland, you could cover the 1987 Viking Sally Murder. Murder on a boat is fairly unusual might be interesting.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 Tauno Pasanen.
I think that they are about to solve that murder very soon (Viking Sally murder). At least it's been on the Finnish newspapers very often during these last few days, because there's been progress with the investigation.
Can we get confirmation that Alexi or Jaska looked in a phone book for names and found the name "Bodom" for their band? I hate to be that guy but ever since Alexi died, I've been watching hours of interviews and anything else to do with Bodom (which is how I found this awesone video). After viewing all the footage from various interviews, I can safely say that the legend/mystery of Lake Bodom was well known to these teenagers since they lived in Espoo. Not only was it something that was brought up occasionally since the town is very close to Bodom, but Alexi spent time on the lake. In fact, Alexi said he regularly drove out there as a teen with his buddies before his band got famous and got drunk on the regular out there.
In summation, I think it's safe to say it the phone book story is nothing more than fiction.
Children of Bodom is one big marketing case....nothing else
@@edris991: Yes, now it is, but it wasn't before Alexi passed. It's quite obvious that these guys have nothing to fall back on without Alexi.
I was about to comment about how TCC should not be so comedic when talking about the Bodom murders - because I wanted a serious analyses - but when Hans "Assmann" from "Espoo" came up... I knew the odds were stacked against me.
Damn you, Finland.
Come on Simon. We all know the real reason Callum hasn't been outside is cuz he's in the basement with Danny and Sam. Lol.
Simon managed to lure a fourth one down there recently too, if I remember right.
Don't think the milk carton has been printed yet, so I can't tell you what they look like....
ALLEGEDLY!:-) 🖖
;)
@@lostbutfreesoul this is why there will never be a biographics on the riveting life of Danny. If we don't know what they look like, we won't know how to find them. Lmao.
@@lostbutfreesoul who is Simon?
Hello from Espoo! I was so proud our local mystery got a video so early on the channel's life! Loved how Simon butchered those names!
Also, Espoo and Helsinki are more forest than city so it's quite a good place to hide in the forests. That's were all the drunkards go after closing...
Do not forget it was the 60s.
We were still paying our war depts, right? Also, the caricatures of Kari Suomalainen of that era are also quite... just look at them... 😂😅
I was already curious how he would butcher the name of Auli Kyllikki Saari but then he just described her a a teenage girl who died in a hit-and-run.
I really want to drink in Espoo now, just so I can drink in the woods at late hours.
That artists sketch of "the blond man" freaked me out like the old sketches I'd see as a child. Creeptastic!
I’m with Simon - #3 for sure. That picture of him at the funeral looks EXACTLY like the police sketch that was done. Both creepy AF.
Does make you wonder what his motive was, though. Why these four teens? Why beat kids to death who he’d never had any interactions with previously?
That’s some f*ckedupedness right there.
Beyond the motive, there are these problems too:
- If his role in these (and other) murders truly were covered up to appease the USSR, why was he nonetheless jailed at one point for beating his wife? (for clarification, this did happen at the time he was supposedly a spy in Finland).
- Would the USSR truly care about protecting a spy who goes rogue to kill some random teens?
- Why did he arrive AT A HOSPITAL bloodied?
- Assmann’s jaw isn’t quite so angular/boxy as the person in the sketch or the funeral (but those two do look quite alike each other). This is most obvious in the photo used at the cover of Palo’s book.
- His deathbed confessions have some outright lies. He never worked at a concentration camp, but served instead in the Luftwaffe. That was found out by a person on a Finnish crime forum who sought out Assmann’s relatives to explore the validity of his claims. He also wasn’t in Finland when Kyllikki Saari (an unrelated murder to whom he inderectly confessed) was murdered. He seems to have enjoyed saying creepy things for attention, which also makes his murder confessions suspect.
@@joonaa2751 There's too much uncertainty and unconfirmed rumor about Assmann to properly assess him as a suspect IMO. I've always felt the Kioskman was a much more likely suspect based on the evidence available. I also wouldn't rule out that the killer was a mentally deranged drifter rather than a local, which would explain why the killer took and wore a pair of the victims' shoes.
I totally lost it at “the Assmann Cometh” 😂
Seems like the Assmann did it 😳
I lost it when he said he lived in espoo.🤣💀
80+ criminals lurking in the woods??! That campground should have a warning: 🚷⛔*Beware of bears, wolves & psychopathic boogaloo - please do not feed the wildlife. Protection should be carried at all times - a personal security detail is recommended as our police are more scared of the woods than you!* ⛔🔞
'Reckon after the war(s) a lot of criminals had learned how to live in the woods (and avoid military service). Before the war it wasn't that uncommon (not to say it was a preferred choice) to live outdoors by yourself , perhaps grampa taught how to live in the forest with natural resources etc.
But can I feed the psychopaths??
@@gabbyabbott4965 You can, but at your own risk - psychopaths are well known for biting the hand that feeds them ⚠️
It's not much of a campground, just a spot in the woods on the shore of a random lake, more people go there now after the murders than ever before them lol
If he had cerebrospinal fluid dripping out of his nose, he might have some issues murdering three people and covering up said murder. Adrenaline is one hell of a drug, but it's pretty decently countered by literal brain damage. Sincerely, a psychology student who previously suffered brain damage.
True, but our man Phineas Gage was violent enough after his injury. Leaking brain juice isn't the same as trauma to the tissue itself.
@@tamlandipper29 It's possible any aggression after the incident was caused by brain damage. Skull fractures usually come with brain damage.
@@tamlandipper29 Gage wasn't like that immediately after the injury though. It came on progressively after he "healed"
I have a chronic CSF Leak headache and it's all I can do just to get out of bed some days.
@@tarajh Jeez how did that happen? Genuinely interested after working with strokes but seeing all sorts of head disorders/injury
Hitting yourself hard enough to show your teeth through your jaw is real dedication to the cover up. Not buying it. If he did do it, that's some hell-er Vodka.
Not to mention the fractured skull with CSF leaking. That would cause almost instant knockout or coma and the blood and CSF covered rock used to do that would be lying around very near as evidence
and the fact the prosecution and police willfully ignored pretty important evidence just because it didn't fit their narrative was pretty damning.
Like, shit man, there could be other reasons why the dude's shoes didn't have his blood on it. Hell, you'd thnk his should would have his own blood on them if he HAD gotten hurt in a drunken fight/cut his own face up
@@sarafontanini7051 The immediate obvious thing with the shoes are that they are out hiking by a lake, if he wants to dip his feet in the lake, or accidentaly got water in the shoes.. they go off somewhere on the campsite and are left to dry. Not a big mystery that one.
LoL, my first though is he left them outside. Who sleeps in their shoes when camping.
There's also the detail he got hit on the back of the head. To hit yourself on the back of the head so hard your brain fluids start leaking requires superhuman levels of strength and determination. I mean there are cases where the culprit harmed themselves to throw the police of but usually the injuries were both lite and done at angles easy to do. Hitting yourself in the back of the head with enough force to kill you is not something I'd expect from a drunk 18yo.
I absolutely lost it when you said the name of Assmann's hometown. Just burst out laughing right in the middle of the office. XD
Yay ! Finally someone does an episode on the Bodom murders (and a good one too)!!
Now if I can put in a request, there is a finnish woman called Anneli Auer that may or may not have murdered her husband and the whole story confuses me. The court case went on and on and she was convicted and then exonerated again and then more evidence turned up against her bla bla. I need someone to clear this up for me!!
and in addition she got sentanced of sx crimes (and the prosecutor in that was the prosecutor of the lake Bodom case)
Simon is a hero for pumping out so much quality content. Still waiting for an episode sponsored by his best friend Charlie.
CHARLES?
Nuttiest conspiracy theories?
@@lisasteel6817 great shout
I think we need to thank the chained writers and the slave master Jen down there.… kidding I love that Simon has ADHD for me
I love Callum’s sense of humor, quite subtle yet golden, perfect for this podcast!
Regarding the murder of the two camping young women that Assman was tied to, it is commonly thought that the actual murderer was a local young man that the two young women turned down previously. It happened in a small town and the local police was quite desperate to find a non-local suspect and Assman fit the bill.
I very much love your impromptu readings of the writer's scripts in this podcast. I am new to listening and the writer's witty humor coupled with your impromptu reactions and responses make for a very entertaining and unique experience when listening to someone discuss what would normally be a pretty dark and serious topic. I love your stuff - thank you for producing these.
Simon: Bodom will forever be synonymous with the Finnish Melodic Death Metal scene... Dammit Danny! What have I told you about editing Callum's scripts!
My friend was very close friends with Alexi from children of Bodem. Partied with them. RIP to one of the best guitarists there ever was.
I love that I'm not the only one with a 12 year olds sense of humor!!!! I used to work at a car rental agency where we could look up client names during the night shift when we were bored. Completely unprofessional,but I was 19 and it was highly entertaining! We discovered a Benjamin Dover, Richard Balls, a Dr. Death. It was amazing!
Did you work at Hertz? You know that the name of the founder of Hertz Rental Cars was Richard “Dick” Hertz...
I went to school with a guy called Lester Maher. First day of highschool they read out last name first, we all laughed, turned out he was very touchy about it, and was big and could fight. Nice guy tho, friends with him on Facebook still.
I worked for a phone company. 2 names I rember fondly were Mrs Virgin and Mr P P Dick.
I worked at a Hellman's underwear warehouse for a while, packaging and mailing women's underwear.
I mailed underwear to women named Rong Rong Dong, Joke Wonk, and Marcelline Burgerdjick-Donker. All in the Netherlands. Dutch names are something else.
Simon: "I've had blood on clothes and I've had paint on clothes, it's really different."
Me: What are you getting up to Simon? Also how is Danny doing in your basement?
Gotta love the specificity, eh?
The important question is "paint on clothes," or "paint-on clothes?"
@@KyleEast3 legend has it that his beard is painted on.
Really underappreciated comment
Most women have had blood on clothes
That is the creepiest sketch I've ever seen. Sad that may have been the last face these poor kids ever seen. Assman looks?exactly like the sketch. How could it not be him?
The person in the sketch (as well as the person at the funeral) has a much boxier jaw than Assmann. This is most obvious in the photo of him used at the cover of Palo’s book.
The combination of the excessive use of "pitch a tent" and the phrase "Assmann comith" make one of the best episodes hands down
The inspiration for Children of Bodom. RIP Alexi Laiho
Beat me to it. Cheers to the Wildchild all the same though
So sad, RIP Alexi
Didn't realize it till you mentioned it
@@eagonten when did he die!? He was one of my favorite guitarists
@@Jasonmakesvideo December 29 2020
Well, we have fells (tunturi), not really mountains as most people would picture them. Halti has the highest point in Finland at about 1324 meters, though it's highest peak is in Norway. The Alps this is not. EDIT: I thought if people know anything about Finland, it is that we drink a lot...
And keep our distance even before COVID!
Drink culture, Sauna culture, and drink in the sauna culture.
What people "know" about the Finns, they drink, they have had some truly terrifying snipers (or maybe only the one but if so he was more than enough), they think 5 people is overcrowded for any occasion, and they have one of the weirdest languages in the western hemisphere. Oh yeah, they also drink. No idea how Simon missed that.
Norway tried to gift Finland the peak a few years ago, but failed due to the Norwegian constitution prohibiting such a gift. I think the gift as supposed to be for an anniversary of Finish independence from Sweden or something. Figures Norway would give away land to celebrate a time someone stuck it Sweden.
yeah like when i worked in pasila for a while (en oo suomalainen, mutta olin töissä helsingissä 2013:ssa) when i got to work at 9 am people were already drunk, soooo
Best way to start my morning, listening to the boy with the blaze talk about murder
I'm loving this giggly delivery! It heightens the absurdity that peppers this murder case
God it must have been funny to be in Hans's unit in the army.
"Assman! Report to the stores!"
"ASSMAN!!!"
"We have a letter for an Assman....it's from Espoo"
So happy you mentioned Children of Bodom!
Amazing band. R.I.P Alexi
Hans Assmann of Espoo.
When you’re 12 year old humor turns out to be real.
Try having a teacher named Harry Butz.
I did foreign exchange in Finland. Vodka flows like water!
11:00 - This is why I don't litter. Knowing my luck, even in the middle of the woods, someone would get killed nearby. The cops would find the piece of trash from the ONE time I ever littered in my entire life, lift my prints, and charge me with one count of littering, and first-degree murder.
00:50 *Simon Whistler: Accidental Eco-Warrior Extraordinare* ...lol
So has nobody digged up the well where Kiosk-man's son told the police that the victims items might be?
Probably not. Lol
given how much the finish police have proven themselves to be abslute fuckups, i doubt they even tried
If I had a choice of who's responsible, I think it's that miserable guy that beats his wife and decides to kill himself
No! This case could so easily be solved if it was dug up and their things were in there. And whoever lives there now, well - why the hell would anyone hear this story and not want to know the answer, if you live in the suspects old house, surely that would just make you even more curious - I'm sure there would be no issue with the police getting their permission.
This is the kind of story that tends to give you pause when packing up the camping gear for that fun weekend getaway.... 😒⛺
When me and my brother were little we wanted to set a tent in our backyard and sleep there for the night until our parents casually mentioned this Bodom lake murder case
Finns, big drinkers? Fish, big swimmers?
Ah, another episode of “The police are useless”.
@Toni Ahola Yeah, is also quite hard to get convicted for a crime you could not physically commit. Skull fractured from the back, fractured jaw, brain fluid spilling out. You can't lift a finger after that, nevermind making personal belongings of the victims disappear completely ( but forgetting the shoes) and run back to pretend to be the victim of such brutal assault. Because the guy was found close to the tents, while the shoes were like over 100 meters distand. Let's pretend that this guy hit himself on the back of his head with a rock or something else...a hit that hard would have made him pass out right next to the weapon, don't you think?
I love having CC episodes on while I play xbox after getting home from very labour intensive work. Awesome. Thank you, Simon. Kept me company for weeks!
Holy shit Hans assmann looks EXACTLY Like the composite sketch
I think it'd be awesome for you to discuss the Dyatlov Pass incident on here. It still totally suits the vibe and tone of this channel, and it's SOOOO MUCH WEIRDER than just the possible avalanche factor. I've enjoyed a few videos on it (Caitlin/Ask A Mortician being my favorite, btw awesome-possible-collab-alert just saying) -- but you and your team tend to hit a particularly exciting balance of deep research and enjoyable delivery, so I'd totally tune in to hear you discuss that story with just as much enthusiasm as I have when tuning in for unfamiliar topics!
Oh! I have a suggestion instead of the Florida Man stories after particularly rough episodes: supershorts on heists that went hilariously, disastrously wrong (or right). May or may not incidentally contain Florida Man. Simon likes heists, so I figured it would fit as a light ending.
Also while in heists: The Gardner Museum heist. Apart from just being interesting it involves a security guard who was a bassist in a rock band and freely admitted to coming to work drunk and stoned after gigs.
Also would totally love to hear a Dyatlov Pass update episode.
I would love more about heists. I also have a fondness for "dumb criminals" stories.
The stress of that must have been...
“IN TENTS”.
😎🥸🧐🙌🏻
I love seeing Simon in such a relaxed environment. It's hilarious to hear him say "I don't know" or "think maybe" lol
RIP Alexi Laiho, you made me discover metal as a teenager. I was blessed by seeing you and Children of Bodom live three times.
Wow, as a kid who listened to Children of Bodom, I’m really happy to learn something like this about the history there.
I think hypnosis is still used in some circles, although rather than digging for new ingo with it it's more of a concentration technique for people why may be in a state of disarray
I'm so glad I've found this video. Now I have something to "innocently" listen to when I'm angry at my Finnish husband.
Thank you. ❤
As a Finnish person, I have to say that all the pronunciations were perfect!
For me, drunken home improvements usually results in crooked shelves and pictures.
And questionable color choices
"I'm not wobbly, the wall is wobbly... "
@@LSSYLondon I updated an outlet to one with USB ports between the plugs after drinking a few... it works and it’s wired right, but it doesn’t look the best haha.
Then you only need to dutch angle your vision, and its all right.
You have forever changed how I react to this murder case, more specifically: how it now brings a smile on my face when I walk past that book at the local bookstore. We speak both finnish and swedish here so "Assmann" is almost automatically pronunciated with a swedish accent. Any Word that doesnt sound finnish, is likely therefore swedish. That's the assumption at least. So when I heard you say "the Assman who lives in Espoo" well.. there's just no going back anymore. Had a good laugh.
Yay! Finland mentioned! Btw. Finland doesn't have a single mountain.
Wait, really?
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 Great information. Thanks. And cheers from California.
Bonus: Finland isn't real either! Russia and Japan made it up. /s
Had a lot of criminals in the 60's though.
Yo Finland really is European Minnesota 😂. Trees, lakes, snow and alcoholics
Hypnotism, when done by a truly skilled professional, is 1000% real.
Simon these shows have saved my sanity whilst working from home.
Expuse?
Another great show from The Casual Criminalist team.
Hypnosis is real but it's not like they portray it in the movies. It doesn't make you a mindless zombie. It's similar to the trance in between sleep and waking consciousness and you are highly receptive to suggestions. Certain people are more receptive. Its actually very calming, I used to have a yoga instructor who talked us into a semi hypnotic state after class, I always came up refreshed. But yeah, hypnosis is real, but it's not like people think it is. Edit, also sometimes makes isn't easier to recall details around particularly emotional events by providing a state of mental calm.
This and business blaze are my favorite of your channels, but I love and watch all of them.
RIP Alexi Laiho, metal guitar master! 🤘 These murders were the inspiration for the band's name.
@Simon Whistler Thank you so much for hosting all the shows you have under your belt. You are so passionate and charismatic to listen to. Always 100% enjoyable! And thank you to Callum for all the scripts! You are a great team! No wonder you have such a great audience! Keep it up :) best wishes. UK/Latvia fans out here!
@ 11:10. Imagine how pristine the water and its surrounds must have been that an empty bottle was noteworthy.
3:00 - Chapter 1 - The crime (Morning & afternoon)
4:20 - Chapter 1.1 - Evenning
5:35 - Chapter 2 - Morning scene
6:20 - Chapter 3 - Found
7:35 - Chapter 4 - What happened ?
9:45 - Chapter 5 - The investigation
13:35 - Chapter 6 - Suspects
25:45 - Chapter 7 - A surprise arrest
27:35 - Chapter 8 - The trial
31:50 - Chapter 9 - The defense
34:35 - Chapter 10 - Result
36:25 - Chapter 11 - Kioskman returns
38:40 - Chapter 12 - The assman cometh
42:55 - Chapter 13 - Wrap up
44:20 - Dismembered appendices
Thanks.
31:49 Simon's graphics designer needs a raise.
Hypnosis in the way they’d have used it is essentially just making someone really relaxed and clearing their mind to help them focus on whatever
Children of Bodom are on of my favorite bands, and ever since I heard where they got their namesake I've wanted to know the story. Thank you.
"Kioskman 2: Sociopath Boogaloo." I laughed so hard, I pit my lemonade out. Best. Ever. (I am also dating myself by laughing.)
Children Of Bodom are perhaps the best metal band of the past four of decades.
Rock In Peace Alexi. 🤘😎🤘
"Simmer down, we're all adults here." LOL nope!!
if Dyatlov Pass is an avalanch then you could always cover it on Geographics instead XD
We know it wasn't an avalanch. Those things leaves evidence. I read a theory recently that it just sounded like one because of the some unusual wind stuff in the area. The campers were used to spenning time in nature, and knew very well the rumbling sound of what they thought was an avalanch. This caused them to flee their tent, and they succumbed to hypothermia before they made it back.
@@Mhidraum
Interesting theory, did it touch on how the 'wtf?' aspects are explained by wind?
@@bevoss7573 Not the radioactive clothes... I think they picked that up on accident elsewhere though. Didn't one of them have a job/study something where he could have come in close contact with radioactive materials?
@@bevoss7573 It explains pretty much everything else. If they thought they were seconds away from being buried in snow, cutting open the tent walls and fleeing makes sense. Hypothermia can also make you disoriented, and makes some people undress because people think they're actually warm, not freezing.
I think all this discussion indicates you should totally do a episode on this, Simon. Personally I’d like to see it on Casual Criminalist.
Working overtime just listening to Simon. It’s a perfect day
There's a Fimnish metal band who named themselves after this event
Children of Bodom
The even have a song called "Bodom Beach Terror" about the event, had always heard about this event but never researched the actual story, thanks for another awesome video!