How the Ocean(Saban) Dub Censored Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga | Part 1
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Welcome to my new series, Ocean was tasked by Funimation and Saban with dubbing the hugely popular Dragonball Z to the west, and in order to do so Funi had to make some changes.
I've gone through every second of animation in order to list every change in the Ocean Dub (also known as either the Saban Dub or Pioneer Dub) that was made when localizing Dragonball Z, starting with episodes 1-17 (Saiyan Saga Part 1).
Hope you enjoy! Look forward to more videos as I'm planning on doing every episode of the Ocean dub.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:41 Saiyan Saga: Part 1
20:28 Outro
Links:
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Outro: "World of Love" By HeatleyBros
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#dragonballz #censorship #anime - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Skip Intro: 2:50 | EDIT: At 14:00 I say the text behind Yamcha is Hiragana text when it in fact Katakana, apologies for the mistake!
We're actually the rock the dragon opening was the original FUNimation and ocean dub have a different opening
@Robo4900 I state this in the video, Funimation along with Saban's financial support hired Ocean to dub the first 67 eps of their edited DBZ. The voiceover work was done in the Ocean studios and not Funimations. Also what I meant by padding is just Ocean cutting scenes short, so for example instead of a 1minute shot of Goku & Piccolo standing and talking Ocean cuts 10seconds off as their voiceover is shorter. I will still be including filler episodes.
When is episode 2 coming?
Glad to know that the dragon ball z I’ve watched ever since I was a child was not ocean dub
Ah, yes...ヒラガナ and かたかな. (:
To be honest making Piccolo's blood green was actually a cool move. Probably the best edit they've done.
Green or Purple blood for Piccolo makes sense. We don’t know much about Namekian biology, so Namekian’s having blood vena different color then Human/Sayian blood.
@@stupiditystudiosinc.3993 octopus blood is blue due to using copper instead of iron so its a wonder what Namekians have
@@stupiditystudiosinc.3993Wasn't king piccolos blood red in dragon ball?
@@user0O- yes for the Japanese and funimation versions I think the blue water dub removed it if I remember correctly though
Yeah, considering that he isn't human, it'd make sense to do that.
Most memorable thing about these videos
*Scene Removed*
Ah yes, what I want from DBZ is a seizure from the title card...
@@MusuemBucket yeah I'm an animator and I'd say they're holding each colour on 12 or 24/25fps based on what frame-rate they were using for one second, most likely 12.
Was the Pokemon fainting scandal after or before this?
@@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 I’m pretty sure after. DO NOT quote me on this, but I’m pretty sure that the Ocean Dub began airing in 1996, and the Pokémon Anime began in 97, so Electric Soilder Porygon came after.
"Rock the Dragon" was the best thing that came out of the Ocean dub
Prince Vegeta
Also, “IT’S OVER 9,000!!!”
Fuck yeah! When I think music in dbz I think Oceans Rock the Dragon and Bruce Faulkners dbz music.
No.
@@falconeerr yes
@@DragoX7 No
I really miss how bloody DBZ was. DBS censors everything to scratches. So even after brutal fight it looks like they tickled each other.
They will have blood dripping from their mouths occasionally
Well, I think that’s because Super airs at 8:30 am in japan, right before One Piece and they have a weird system there. Obviously Super (and Kai before it) took a timespot that could make them good money, but unlike DB and Z which aired at 5pm, the 8:30 slot is like Saturday morning cartoons and they’re more for a family audience. Sure, the show is still aimed at teens but they’d have to tone it down a bit so that Fuji TV doesn’t eat their ass.
because you are kid and wanna see blood
@@speedmacteptfm2451 heh sure maybe on the inside
The manga been amping it up with Moro
Initial thought 'huh that's alot of changes this maybe shouldn't have been dubbed for kid audience' second thought 'how much can one kid pee?!'
Dragonball is made for a child audience to begin with. There are just cultural differences in opinion between what is and isn't appropriate for kids. In Japan, non-sexual nudity isn't considered lewd in any way, especially when used for comedy, and midlevel violence has only recently been toned down for younger audiences.
MugenSniperGeek Most Shonen series are made for young children and Dragon Ball is no exception that’s why even the Japanese anime also edited out stuff that was in the manga. Funimation has made a kid friendly version of Dragon Ball Super as they know that a lot of kids watch the series.
@@satyamSaha "funimation made a kid friendly version of dragon ball super..." nani? This dub is almost EXACTLY the same as the Japanese version what are you on about??
Magan Hassan they made 2 different dubs, there’s the uncut dub and there’s a kid friendly dub which they put on kids tv channels like POP, there’s footage of the censored dub on CZcams.
@@machina5 I could be wrong, but I think that explicit adult non-sexual nudity is still questionable in Japan, but children being nude in media isn't seen as sexual. Honestly, I think that we in the "west" could do with a _little_ lightening up on the prudishness, considering things like Goku's nudity here consisting of a _barely_ drawn penis and testicles.
The Blue Water Dub of the original Dragon Ball and GT (basically their equivalent to the Ocean Dub) was recorded in my hometown
No it was recorded in my hometown
@@ignignoktthemooninite3679 i doubt it was recorded on the Moon.
Is this the “over 9000” dub?
Yes this was the first dub to do it but most future dubs from Funimation also say the over 9000 line
I never realized the Ocean Dub so heavily censored this stuff.
I saw ocean when it came out, but I also remember Krillin going to Chichi to tell her about Goku and getting stuck there.
I am NOW watching the funimation episodes for the first time, and was shocked to see the difference. Ocean censored a lot of stuff out that they did not need too, but Funimation dialogue is just so hard to deal with.
Agreed. That CRINGE Funimation dialogue.
@@elmarakovideo yeah I agree, honestly you should watch the kai dub, they fix a lot of their dialogue choices and the dubbing is a lot better
SABAN not Ocean.
@@DrCash7 One in the same kid, one in the same
@@ShantupWOG
No, they just worked together
To think the HFIL change is what TeamFourStar is calling their original DBZ based series is honestly the best thing to have come from the Ocean Dub.
I like how they somehow incorporated a lot of the stranger dubs into DBZA.
Que bueno que en México tuvimos la versión original sin censura
Si..... Sin censura
You did an amazing job with this video. I love your One Piece videos but I REALLY love this new series. I've been a DB fan for close to 20 years and this video was full of stuff that made me go "oh man I never realized that!" which is incredibly rare. Super good stuff. I wish I could do more to promote your work, you deserve way more attention.
Thanks mate, glad to hear it!
I love how Raditz rants, “You just knocked the stuffings out of your old Uncle Raditz! Like this!” made me laugh!
I believe there exists remastered versions of the ocean dub that's uncut they still don't say "die", "hell" or "death" but the blood is kept intact.
y'know, the changes made in the Ocean dub were intentional to make the show available for tv showcase. Plus, the ocean dub was funded by FUNimation so the changes were made by funimation's orders. This is the same for Naruto, as Naruto was edited and censored by orders of ViZ Media for showcase on television
Excellent videos. Very informative. Definitely subscribing
i only ever watched the ocean dub when i was little so i never knew that gohan filler existed
This was great! Awesome that it’s completely all encompassing instead of “oh they censored violence and blood” in so many other videos. There was a lot of gohan taking a piss lol. It would be cool if you had pointed out attack and character name differences between the Japanese and the Ocean dub, as I find them super interesting and I wonder if the Ocean dub had different names the the Funi dub. Anyways, this video was super amazing, and has been much needed. It seems like it took a lotta work, and I hope that I can create videos of this caliber. Can’t wait for the next one!
Ya know what else you could do? All of the edits Nicktoons made to Dragon Ball Z Kai
The ocean dub hates chi chi more than the fanbase
I love Chi Chi
@@elvis1422 Well, with all due respect, no one asked you.
@@Awesomest915 I asked
i need to rewatch this whole series because this is what I watched when I was younger
Welcome back bruh
Thanks I honestly had no idea that they change so much of dragon ball z until I see all the episodes
Beautiful work. We need more love for the ocean dub out in the ether.
This is really interesting, I hope at some point you continue with the following episodes.
I remember someone got a seizure from watching the ocean dub eyecatchers.
Ocean did the voices , funimation scripted and edited it shuki Levi scored it and saban broadcasted it
Not wanting to show violence
Dbz-boom boom boom boom boom boom boom BOOM (punches)
14:02 sorry for weeb posting but, the text in both scenes are Katakana
Yeah I don't know how I got this wrong as I can read Japanese lol. Probably had a long work day before sitting down to watch through the episodes or something :/
Waiting on part 2! :)
I'm actually glad they cut some of the Gohan filler. Otherwise, his "training segments" would've been awfully dull to watch in full.
Herege
So much of DragonBallZ is apparently Gohan going and taking a piss
The guy on set gets paper cut, director fires him for blood loss
I remember watching Ocean dub Dragon ball z and Dragon ball, as a kid on a Cheese TV and Cartoon Network
Are you from the U.K.?
@jamie guy random dump cheez tv is australian
maji nya I used to watching cheese tv everyday as a kid
@@lizziemorgan6678 same those were the good days of channel 10
maji nya I used to seek in Mum and Dad room
So halfway into the video the fact that Goku didn't mention not to wish him back for a year is not a plothole yajarobe told everyone not to wish him back and even as a 6 year old fan it was clear to me that that was ordered by kami lol
I always wondered why the gang didn't just use the dragon balls to make the following wish:
"I wish that Earth's coordinates could not be located by the Saiyan's. "
“I wish the Saiyan ships would go into a black hole”
"I wish Earth just stayed safe ffs"
@@mid7752 that wish is so logical I hate it...
Oolong tried doing such in the manga, and that didn't work. Shenron can't do anything not related to Earth.
(Or so he said)
@@thecubeman381 but what about the stuff on namek?
This makes me want to rewatch DBZ Kai
This version of dbz is so bizarre to me loool I got into dragon ball a few years ago with the uncut dub
The music is great but since I watched the sub and Funi dub I can’t imagine it without the of music.
Great video, but as a viewer of DBZ when it first arrived in the states, a handful of ghe deleted scenes you mentioned were infacr included in the Ocean dub. For example Chichi wondering how Goku and Gohan were doing at the Kame house, and when Krillin went over to Goku's place to tell Chichi the news and stayed over, I remember that cleaely beung in the ocean dub.
Thanks for putting the spanish version of head cha la! In my head 😂
I wonder if cutting the more quiet and comical scenes, whether for time or content, was also part of retooling the show into a more straightforward action/adventure series. Can't have people stand around and worry in an action show.
There was quite a few scenes he mentioned where ocean dub didnt remove that he claimed was removed such as gohan discovering the robot
I have no clue what they were thinking with the eyecatches with the flashing lights. Yeah that totally won't hurt your eyes at all.
I used to like the Ocean dub. Now I can’t bear to watch it and want to see the original Japanese version.
3:04 This music was added on DBZ Budokai 1 PS2 and HD Collection for X360/PS3
Ocean did NOT produce this dub; it was _produced_ by _Funimation_ , who hired Ocean to use their recording studio. And this isn't something that was ever called "The Ocean Dub" back when it was airing; we called it like it was: *"The Funimation Dub"* . Calling it "The Ocean Dub" makes it sound like it was a separate thing from the episodes FUNi dubbed after, which isn't true. FUNi picked up right were they left off. This just further causes misinformation.
true, but calling it the ocean dub is waaaaayy easier than “The Funi Dub Recorded at Ocean Productions”
@@Outta-hz1ej Then simply call it the " *original FUNi dub * ", cuz that's what it is. The same with the rest of their original dub from 1996 to 2003. The original *276* -episode-long "original FUNi dub" as compared to the _291_ -episode-long "current FUNi dub". Cuz in case you weren't aware, it's not just the Saiyan arc and the beginning of the Freeza arc that they redubbed. The whole thing was redubbed in 2005~2009.
Also, BLAMING Ocean for the changes is NOT okay. "Every Change Funimation Made to Dragon Ball Z" would be a better title.
People died because of this misinformation!!!!!
@@Schwarzorn I'm pretty sure it's Saban that's to blame for these edits.
Gilby 1385
Yes. But it’s still Funimation’s dub. And Cartoon Network’s version (I mean for Season Three onward, and DB\DBGT) had a ton of censorship too. Saban was more strict, tho. But, FUNi also chose to remove a TON of filler. Not a the worst thing, but still...
i just realized now that most of saiyan saga training arc r full of gohan leaking 😂
speaking of taking leaks one of Ian Corlett's favourite things to talk about when he first did anime dubbing was how he didn't understand a joke about peeing and asking for context to the Japanese chap on duty there. He talks about it many times in conventions and interviews.
Honestly after having seen the first episode of the Saban dub, with no other experience of Dragon Ball, as its own thing it seems alright, it's not terrible and the music and voice acting is pretty good, coming from someone who has experience watching 4Kids dubs this is well above passable
I'm wondering. What if DIC Entertainment dubbed dragon Ball z like they dubbed sailor Moon? They have the same opening, but with synthesis 80s music.
I'd reckon it'd probably still have a majority Ocean's cast as the voices (with probably the odd Toronto based VA like Tara Strong or Stevie Vallance) I guess Ian Corlett would've still gotten cast as Goku (as his name is on the credits for "Gadget Boy and Agent Heather", which was DiC) and I reckon they would've done an english cover of Cha La Head Cha La in a similar vibe to the Gino Padilla version here: czcams.com/video/q_fRQBBfjC8/video.html
“To cover Gohans privates.. And Arse” - had me pissing myself laughing.
I just love DBZ ocean dub . Cause it's the first DBZ I've seen
Dang you grew up wrong if u say the ocean dub
@@gamercentral2417 Agree the Original dub was better
When i think of “rock the dragon” i think of vanoss
"I put my eyes like this so I can see enemies coming from many directions... always expect the unexpected"
"...and there our heroes were locked in a deep gaze, contemplating if they would ever survive the Superman ass-kick they were about to receive. Nappa still couldn't find his Cheezbuguh, and the Green Lantern had recently burrowed his way from China to North America."
The first ever DBZ Gmod video they did back in 2013. I remember that when it came out. Can’t believe that was 8 years ago now
Hello my brothers. I came here to this comment to remember nostalgia, let's all come together and laugh at The Terminator's new son!
Cause vanoss is from Canada and that's the version they had in Canada. I grew up with it too but FUNimation uncut is so much better
It wasnt all bad, they gave us the HFIL and removed endless amounts of Gohan pissing.
Wow, that's more changes than 4Kids did to One Piece.
Honestly this is just making me realize how much padding Kai removed
Iirc you missed that In episode 5 they use gokus hair to censor his chest injury when he talks to raditz in their final moments.
13:17 this just unlocked a memory. so many neurons are being activated by the gohan filler
17:40 she pulled out the blicky💀
There's also the Canadian YTV intro its basically the Rock the Dragon video only with different music with the words Dragon Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z repeated throughout.
Never watched the ocean dub. Glad I didn’t looks terrible without all the added detail. I grew up with the ultimate uncut edition
*why does gohan piss so much!*
He probably drinks like a gallon of water dairy. That makes you piss a lot, I know it makes me, lol.
To be fair, if you watch the full episodes with the other scenes, you barely notice it, of course seeing it all compiled in one video makes it stand out.
Please make more of these vids plus the one piece differences too! They’re so cool! ❤️❤️❤️❤️😊😊😊🤗🤗🤗
I'm working on them, just really busy atm with work and moving flat :/
lol @ 5:20 bulma looks buffed
Wow, the Ocean dub hates chichi more than I do. Now that's saying something.
czcams.com/video/lEU7Efs7N3c/video.html
@idfk lol Putting words in my mouth, eh? I see how it is.
3:09 ngl that was FIRE like fr
"sleep grass" im sure that was some weed infused drink
I never even knew launch was in the early episodes!
Can you please do a series like this for the Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball?
I have a nostalgic soft spot for the Ocean Dub and the DIC Sailor Moon dub.
No wonder it felt like I was watching it for the first time when watching the Japanese original
I hated the ocean dub even as a kid.....
@jamie guy random dump Nah the Funimation dub is much better.
And censorship is just awful.
Blame Saban for all of this.
@jamie guy random dump You suck and must be Canadian. You say Ocean didn't censor as much to not be "so bad" yet this video and the following ones will PROVE it dude. Don't let your nostalgia get you watered down in the facts here. I appreciate the Ocean dub for what it is, but it is not all that it's cracked up to be. The Funimation dub was an improvement. Some of the actors are much better especially during the post-Frieza era. Ocean came back and tried to continue the show and the acting just took a huge dip. And Funimation left in a lot of violence that the initial dub would have cut. Also, they didn't skip any episodes. Their dubs are more well known and fan favorites for a reason, so get with the program.
if you want you can do the rest of namek to buu with that other dub continuing with ocean voice actors
I hate to sound like a smart-alek but, the first ever English dub of Dragon Ball Z was produced in the Philippines by a company called creative products corporation, however they were only able to dub at least the entire sayian saga (35 episodes)
As a Canadian growing up on the ocean dub, there were 2 versions of the rock the dragon opening
We got our own intro song, i dont think we ever got rock the dragon as an intro song but we had the instrumental as an outro.
"Dragon Dragon Ball! DRAGON BALL Z!" Dragon Dragon Ball! Z!"
Imagine if this dub was more like DBZ Kai
only 4kids made changes to it. the original dbz kai was better than the original even and more faithful as well. even the voice actors admit their fucks up in the original dub of dragon ball z
@@arunsingla3452 But still, what if the Ocean/Saban dub had a more faithful script and left out the filler episodes while keeping the replacement score?
@@shateeqsmith yeh that would have worked. Problem is these guys were still new to dubbing animes and only went with the trend at the time(of localising the anime to make it appear like an American cartoon)
Ocean dub: "They're not dead, guys! Just listen to their breathing!"
Original version: (Actual dead.)
Man i always knew we got a different intro in Canada, we didnt get "rock the dragon" but i honestly never ever registered that the outro song was instrumental rock the dragon, thats probably why its so familiar.
Canada did get rock the dragon up until the Namek Saga like the us but when the ocean cast came back in the trucks saga onwards for the UK and Canada they re used the footage from rock the dragon but with a different song so yeah they basically got the same opening twice footage but with 2 different songs
6:26 this one is pretty cute honestly
I like how Piccolo's blood pooling on the ground looks like a puddle of urine.
Do you know where you got these Ocean Dub episodes?
Half of these changes are fairly minor and honestly pretty fair, and the other half are just completely fucking baffling.
Is there such thing as the whole show in 4:3 full screen highest quality ocean dub followed by of course the Funimation when Goku arrives on Namk, if so where can I download or get? or all the releases crappt 16:9 and blurry 4:3?
It’s on Internet Archive
Where can the Ocean dub of Orignal Dragon ball be watched?
My intense childhood.
So is there Ocean Dub where TeamFourStar got their hell jokes? (The fact the two ogres are obsessed with fitness and HFIL)
Yes. There are many jokes from the perspective of fans of that special time from 1996 to 1999 where Funimation was first bringing this awesome show to the United States, but making many strange changes either due to Saban's censorship requirements. As well as changes they made due to...making up the entire script from scratch since they didn't want to hire a translator.
Kæðr how interesting.
interesting
Shuky only made the intro. Ron Wasserman made the music in the episodes
Rock the dragon slaps!!!
I must say their intro music slaps
bro where did you go all this time
.....I don't remember any of this! I need to rewatch DBZ subbed......once I'm done with One Piece.
i now wanna watch the ocean dub
go for it... it gets even better when you watch the Ginyu's and the Cell/Buu arcs... (sadly there was no Freeza arc for Ocean but they do have Cell and Buu, they even try to get closer to the Japanese name pronunciations because they had experience with faithful dubbing for Viz Media before Funi was on the scene)
I'm from latin america and while they did censored it, it wasn't so drastic, piccolo's blood is still green though and there's basically no blood
The more violent stuff I get for censoring, but some of the other stuff…really?
The iconic green blood piccolo
Bro doesn’t know that piccolo blood is Actually Purple.💀💀
His tears are Green not him Blood. 😭💀
What the hell did they even have left after removing almost every scene?!
What’s crazy there’s ocean dub version of the cell and buu saga
...are shown with no pupils with them, which normally siginifies death"
Kalifa also had this in her defeat and she got better quickly.