@@pedrolourenco2707 the Celestion seventy80 is a budget speaker found in many amps from different manufacturers such as Blackstar , Randall , Laney and Vox Labeled as "VX" speakers .
I have the dsl40c creamback and the 50c origin which I like it doesn't have those dsl highs, I appreciate lower gain amps pushed a tad more. If i want evh i go the dsl or higher gain. It has that plexi bell like tones with zero fizz:)
I am quite surprised that the 10inches speaker gives more cream and bass than the 12. Is it the cabinet effect or tubes vs solid state circuitry ? Anyway Origin for vintage, DSL for modern tones . I play vintage. Johan , how do you compare Origin 20 with 2525 Jubilee ? I used to have the 2525 but sold it , back to my Vox AC15HW1.
Thanks for making this great comparison I beleive many were waiting for, Johan! Not to mention the intro which was a piece of art by itself. With a few exceptions I preferred the dsl with the humbuckers and the origin with SCs, especially overdriven. Both were great.
You and Simon have such wonderfully complementary playing styles! Simon is the type of Fender player I'd love to be, but never will and your Gibson style is awesome as well. Great pair of amps...and I need to stop watching videos on Origin 20s or I'm going to end up buying one (when I promised myself I wasn't going to shop for any gear for a while).
I avoided buying a DSL when I was looking for an amp. It just wasn't that vintage Marshall tone I was looking for. Now the Origin line is right up my alley.
You guys do far the best comparisons for the DSL vs Origin series. You get a very accurate idea of the differences between the two. The DSL seems to have a more balanced, Fender sound here with the Origin nailing the vintage Marshall tone. Love the sound of the Origin.
I really like both of them. Both bring great sounds from the past, and I think both offer great sounds for the future as well. You always find some of the greatest toys Johan!!! Great V and Epi Tele too!!
I am shocked at how magical the Tele sounds through the Origin at the end of the demo ! I would run them both in parallel. Super comparison Johan !!! 👍
Both sounded good in their own right, but I far preferred the Origin if I had to pick just one. The difference to me was even more pronounced with Simon and the single coils. The Origin sounded so sweet and creamy compared to the brightness of the DSL. The DSL would probably cut more in a mix, but I go for the Origin. You keep tempting us with that Amos V. And I thought I'd talked myself OUT of another V....Rock on brothers!
Johan, not sure how this amp slipped passed me but tonight I played the Origin 20 combo amp tonight at Guitar Center, then I tested out the Vox AC15C1 and Fender Deluxe RI. I was completely blown away at the tone palette coming out the Marshall Origin 20. I thought I was gonna buy the VOX AC15 but now I am not sure sure. There is something magical about Fender Guitars through a Marshall amp that is next level greatness. I used my tele this evening and it was magic and also love the fact that it was simple, no effects other than some gain (perfect for a pedal board) Another bonus feature was the 3 toggle High/Medium/Low output switch, gong from 20w-3W-0.5W. Just WOW, Marshall has really stepped up their game with this series
This is a very interesting comparison. What really stuns me is how good 'Amos' sounds through either amp. The single coils and the DSL just aren't a great match to my ears. But wow...that Epiphone is a killer sounding guitar! Thanks Johan!
honestly the DSL sounded real good. A lot more clarity. Some might find it too trebly, but you can roll that off. I never liked the fizz on the DSL i had Rented. Ultra gain was toooooo much. Sounded good here. Origin was good, but sounded a little like a blanket was over the speaker. Vin30 would make it sound great I imagine.
I think the Origin sounds better with the Tele's single coils and the DSL sounds better with the V's humbuckers. However if I had to choose one amp to use with both guitars I would go with the Origin overall.
As I dsl owner I think your right but if I was gonna make a rapid change I'd have to go with the sv20h u can get the sound of the 70s and even into the 80s until the jcm 800 took hold no amp sounds like it !! I can get the jcm 800 tone on the dsl anyways, thin it out and lower the gain and crank the volume to the sweet spot then turn the treble up on a good quality clean boost 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Love both amps.....I own the new Marshall DSL100 Watt head, sounds pretty amazing , although the eq section was better in the old DSL...but cranked up thru a 4x12, it's a beast!...
Dirty deeds for dirt cheap is about right :) .I got the 20 head and 2x12 and just choke the FX loop with a home made volume pedal so I can push it harder and get a fuller sound at lower volumes. That Origin 20 sounded really good though.
Waaaaiiit I've just checked the price, is that what you call dirt cheap? I've got way too used to solid state prices my Marshall mg sounds kinda similar to the dsl tho
Dumb Dickler I had a jtm 45 for a week. It stayed clean, not very loud, and didn’t even crunch. It was just a weak clean amp that needed a pedal to do anything.
Thanks Brother's! Well done! Enjoyed the Origin for cleans and DSL for distorted tones! Same speaker may have produced a similar result! Loved the EPI Tele, Thanks Simon! (I couldn't be around all those guitars and not pick them up and play!) Thanks for sharing Johan!
Both sound amazing. This was great to see as I have been wanting to try an Origin. I have a DSL40, and love it but I have been wondering how close these 2 sound. Sweet playing Johan!
I love the hair on the Origin - it may only do one tone, but that's the exact tone I want, whereas the DSL does many tones I don't care for! I'm amazed by how good you make the Origin 20 sound though, I couldn't get it anywhere near as big sounding - I ultimately went with the Origin 50 combo to avoid the 20's boxiness, and I couldn't be happier. :-)
Fantastic playing and a phenomenal demo as always! Would love to see you demo a Yamaha Revstar! Perhaps a RS620CR or a RS820CR. That 720 looks gorgeous with the Bigsby and the filtertron pickups!
excellent comparison, I own the Orgin 50 and love the more vintage Marshall tone with great cleans as well......DSL is excellent also just different uses.....
JOHAN SEGEBORN---------> Jag vill bara att du ska veta att du och det arbete du lägger ner på den här kanalens innehåll är enormt betydelsefullt för väldigt många människor. Stor tumme upp för alla dina idéer du du ständigt kommer på och för att du orkar filma och lägger upp så mycket intressant här. Tack Johan.
I think Johan did various videos on swapping out necks but I don't remember if that's his guitar. If we already knew about it, it would explain the lack of mention in the comments.
There was a period in the 1980s when Epiphone had a thing with Gibson explorer type headstocks. Kramer, Jackson, and Charvell guitars were all the rage. They all had pointy, 6 inline headstocks (then came the pointy reverse headstock craze for a few years). I think Epiphone borrowed the Pointiest Gibson headstock style to stay relevant . Epiphone made some strange guitar models during that time. A friend of mine had an HSS strat style epiphone with that explorer type headstock. They made Telecaster type guitars as well.
I got the Origin 50H a year now. Using also a booster in fronf, you can get also nice distorsion at low volumes. I got also a DSL1HR in the living room for practice. Origin for high volumes, DSL for low volumes...
I'm shocked at how much I wasn't keen on the DSL tone. The Origin just sounds so good in comparison. I'd be interested to hear is a comparison between the Origin 20 and the Fender Bassbreaker 15.
Exactly! I have a 1962' Gibson double cutaway LP Jr. with a single P90 single coil pickup that is just dying to sing through the Marshall Origin 20C! 😁😁
@@oscarmejia8495 Yes it is. The 20 is cathode bias. The 50 has a trim pot. People seem to be opening these amps up and seeing mosfets and IC chips and crying foul but this amp has power scaling, DI (which is honestly pretty rubbish) and speaker emulation. The only criticism is the input headroom is pretty big, so if 'plexi' tone is your goal, you will need to punish it with a pedal or two to really gun it. Personally, I have found that the amp distortion is wonderful (in full power mode + boost engaged) but you will be need to dime the master volume and that means pushing serious DB's. Its crazy (painful + tinnitus inducing) through a half stack without a boost or overdrive pedal to do the heavy lifting. Actually louder (in terms of sheer BAMF) than my AC30.
I favoured the Origin overall, but for certain riffs/examples I preferred the DSL. I think Johan summed it up quite nicely at the beginning, they are good at different things.
I think it depends a lot on what you want out of the amp and what kind of player you are. If you want that vintage sound, and don't need tons of gain from the amp, the Origin might be your best option. I noticed you were on the clean channel on the DSL for almost the whole shoot, only switching over to the distortion channel (red light) for a moment. That was the moment when I said, "That's what I'm talking about!" I have a DSL 40c, and I tend to use it either full-clean or with a lot of gain, using a pedal to push the clean if I want some crunch from it.
Johan, the DSL has a more open, high sound Origin has a more bassey thicker, old Marshall sound. Yet I enjoy both! I bought both when they came out from Guitar Center on Sunset Blvd here in Hollywood California. Great mid range amps!
Agree, I tried out both amps and would liked to have bought both. I bought the DSL as I felt I could get more tones. Also my brother who was testing the amps with me took a liking to the Origin which was better for his style. Just waiting for him to buy the Origin.
Wow both sounded great. Hats off to Johan and Simon for the playing. The first 3 and half minutes or so the Origin crushed it, and the last half the DSL sounded ace.
I don't know if I've ever heard a larger difference in tone btw two amps from the same manufacturer that are so similar on paper. The Origin sounds amazing . I own the DSL 20 and will be selling it very soon to purchase an Origin.
In this format the Origin really nails the classic JTM 45 type fat tones BUT you never took advantage of the DSL20's fat tones available on the Ultra Gain channel with the gain dialed in at around 3 to 4 on the gain knob and backed off to about 7 or 8 on the guitar volume. The DSL20 is one of Marshall's most versatile little guys once you know how to take advantage of the abundant array of sonic potentials it's capable of easily delivering.
I've heard the speaker in the DSL combos is the weak point but I played the DSL 100 head through a 1960 cab and also found it very shrill and glassy like in this comparison. On the other hand the Origin sounds fantastic. They seem to be getting mixed reviews but I'm definitely going to try one out. So warm and round 🤤
Again, as usual, nice one man. Although, whatever switch you flipped at the 4:min mark (on the dsl. Rhythm to lead I would imagine) is how they should be compared no? Up until then it was difficult to assess what the dal had to offer. I will keep watching. You rock friend!
I think the Origin sounds cracking for the price but the DSL is hitting the correct mids for cutting it in a live mix. I would be happy adding either one to my collection .
Thanks Johan, love your channel! The Origin wins in my opinion. I wonder how the Origin 20 compares to the Fender Bassbreaker 15. Would that be a possibility for a comparison video? Thanks again!
Thats a nice amp. I got it and the dsl 40 cr and they are different for sure. But then i plug into my vox and fender and..... well feel spoiled.haha love me some silver.
chris tian I’m literally on the verge of ordering my 2525h, the only reason I haven’t is cause I’m studying for an important test and I know I won’t get any work done so it will be my reward when I pass it! I can’t wait!
I’ve played both amps. They both sound good. The DSL20CR does sound a bit harsh and that’s due to the shitty stock 70/80 speaker. I own the DSL20CR and put in a UK made Greenback made in 2000 and it sounds excellent.
I only briefly saw the Origin settings, but I found what I think is the best for these amps. Master 10 - Boost on - Gain 2 to 4 TMB according to your ear and guitar. Control volume and break up with your guitar volume. I didn’t care for the preamp distortion, but this is a different amp with the MV cranked!
Great video as always! I like Origin more here, due to more creamy and dirty sound. How much difference is in the speaker? I do like to hear test through the same speaker.
Dear Johan, patron saint of Marshall, I love your work! Have you ever demo’d the Class 5? I don’t rate the speaker / cab in the combo version, but the amp sounds great when run on 11 through a bigger speaker. I think it’s not popular because people bought it expecting it to be a great home practice amp, but it only comes to life when it’s raging! Also, the first version was poorly made. I’ve used it at rehearsals through a 4x12 with a loud drummer, and it sounded killer! I’m thinking about using it in a studio session in January. I’d love to hear your take on it!
I actually got rid of my JVM 210 because of how good the Class 5 was. JVM disappeared in the mix. Class 5 turned up to 7 ran through a 2x12 custom cab and an OCD in front is incredible.
Haha...if only the Origin could sound a little more like the DSL and if the DSL could sound a little more like the Origin. In other words...the origin has a lovely honk in the 400-600hz area, but there's just too much of it. And the DSL could use more of that very quality.
Could maybe be fixed with a larger mid pot, tgen you have more flexibility with the mids. I did this to my marshall clone, very good for fine tuning. Go to 100k or 250 k mid pot.. You can see it in action in the Duncan amp tools tone stack simulator.. At 1 you have less mids, at 5 like its cranked now. For less mids stays between 1 and 3 on the mids.. For the DSL one could do thecsame pot and stay between 5 and 10..
I gave a dsl20 combo on loan for the next month. Honestly it’s a really good amp. I keep reading about the Celestion 70/80 being a crappy speaker but I find it to be very good and it’s not broken in yet. It’s sound fantastic turned up loud but I can still get great tone with the master turned down on the low wattage setting.
A greenback or warehouse veteran really adds to the overall sound quality of the amp. The 70/80 isn't a bad speaker but it kept the dsl series in the target price area. Loading it with a greenback or creamback would have added atleast another $150 -$200 on the amp. That's now putting the dsl40c with a creamback close to $1000 after taxes. That's a lot to ask for an Indonesian made amp. Buying a used dsl40h and finding a used 2x12 v30 thats broken in showcases how great the amp is for under $600.
i compared the two at the local GC (guitar center). the origin sounds good only when turned up higher than bedroom level. the DSL may not sound as creamy as the origin but plays at lower volumes better.
I had to go with the DSL20CR when I was looking. Liked the Origin 20, but found it was a one trick pony and the 1 x 10" speaker removed frequencies you cannot dial back in, whereas the DSL clean/disto channels give some options and replaced OD pedals. Now, if I were to level up wattage, I'd pick the Origin 50 over the DSL40. Weight is one benefit, but the bigger cab and 12" speaker open her right up. I just don't need it (yet!). On the DSL20, first day I swapped out the 70/80 speaker and it made a big difference. Tried different speakers - Greenback, Creamback Neo, Swamp Thang and Tonkerlite. CB Neo was perhaps the traditional best fit, but settled on the Tonkerlite because it suited both channels, but also gets louder before saturation on the clean.
They would sound massive together in a left/right mix.
That is exactly what I do! Awesome suggestion!
Is this a default bot comment to every amp comparison video?
@@stillpist Yes, we are all bots.
The Origin 20 sounds really creamy. I like the vintage tone.
The Origin has a 10 inch Celestion V-Type Speaker and the DSL a 12 inch Seventy80!
the seventy80 is a very transperent speaker. i dont like it!
@@rudigerk
@@pedrolourenco2707 the Celestion seventy80 is a budget speaker found in many amps from different manufacturers such as Blackstar , Randall , Laney and Vox Labeled as "VX" speakers .
I have the dsl40c creamback and the 50c origin which I like it doesn't have those dsl highs, I appreciate lower gain amps pushed a tad more. If i want evh i go the dsl or higher gain. It has that plexi bell like tones with zero fizz:)
I am quite surprised that the 10inches speaker gives more cream and bass than the 12. Is it the cabinet effect or tubes vs solid state circuitry ? Anyway Origin for vintage, DSL for modern tones . I play vintage. Johan , how do you compare Origin 20 with 2525 Jubilee ? I used to have the 2525 but sold it , back to my Vox AC15HW1.
I like the more vintage sound of the origin. Plus it looks way better that the DSL, which is an added bonus.
Thanks for making this great comparison I beleive many were waiting for, Johan! Not to mention the intro which was a piece of art by itself. With a few exceptions I preferred the dsl with the humbuckers and the origin with SCs, especially overdriven. Both were great.
Thanks, Johan! I bought an Origin 20C a couple months ago and your video makes me feel even better about the decision.
I have both and I run them in stereo with a chorus pedal and it sounds so good
I know this is 2 years later but im planning on buying one of them, which one youd say has a better clean side?
@@acrquiteck1349 speaking as an owner, the origin. It is fantastic for cleans
You and Simon have such wonderfully complementary playing styles! Simon is the type of Fender player I'd love to be, but never will and your Gibson style is awesome as well. Great pair of amps...and I need to stop watching videos on Origin 20s or I'm going to end up buying one (when I promised myself I wasn't going to shop for any gear for a while).
I have been so impressed with my Origins 20 that I can’t imagine playing anything else.
pickledblues Maybe an attenuated vintage plexi?
I have 2 other Marshalls and the Origin 20H is the one i've been using ever since, pur and just enough power.
I buyed a marshall origin 20c soon after watch your review Johan. Thanks for the advice. This amp sounds killer!
I have the Origin 20, its a superb Marshall plexi sound and the 10 inch speaker does the job incredibly well.
I avoided buying a DSL when I was looking for an amp. It just wasn't that vintage Marshall tone I was looking for. Now the Origin line is right up my alley.
I own a dsl40c and I am surprised how much more I like the Origin. And great playing from both of you!
You guys do far the best comparisons for the DSL vs Origin series. You get a very accurate idea of the differences between the two. The DSL seems to have a more balanced, Fender sound here with the Origin nailing the vintage Marshall tone. Love the sound of the Origin.
I really like both of them. Both bring great sounds from the past, and I think both offer great sounds for the future as well. You always find some of the greatest toys Johan!!! Great V and Epi Tele too!!
I am shocked at how magical the Tele sounds through the Origin at the end of the demo ! I would run them both in parallel. Super comparison Johan !!! 👍
Both sounded good in their own right, but I far preferred the Origin if I had to pick just one. The difference to me was even more pronounced with Simon and the single coils. The Origin sounded so sweet and creamy compared to the brightness of the DSL. The DSL would probably cut more in a mix, but I go for the Origin. You keep tempting us with that Amos V. And I thought I'd talked myself OUT of another V....Rock on brothers!
Awesome comparison and video, as always thanks Johan
Johan, not sure how this amp slipped passed me but tonight I played the Origin 20 combo amp tonight at Guitar Center, then I tested out the Vox AC15C1 and Fender Deluxe RI. I was completely blown away at the tone palette coming out the Marshall Origin 20. I thought I was gonna buy the VOX AC15 but now I am not sure sure. There is something magical about Fender Guitars through a Marshall amp that is next level greatness. I used my tele this evening and it was magic and also love the fact that it was simple, no effects other than some gain (perfect for a pedal board) Another bonus feature was the 3 toggle High/Medium/Low output switch, gong from 20w-3W-0.5W. Just WOW, Marshall has really stepped up their game with this series
Awesome video! I’ll have to watch it again, had a little bit of trouble telling which one you were using!
This is a very interesting comparison. What really stuns me is how good 'Amos' sounds through either amp. The single coils and the DSL just aren't a great match to my ears. But wow...that Epiphone is a killer sounding guitar! Thanks Johan!
I've played the Origin in Guitar Center. It felt really clean, which is nice, just like a vintage Marshall.
honestly the DSL sounded real good. A lot more clarity. Some might find it too trebly, but you can roll that off. I never liked the fizz on the DSL i had Rented. Ultra gain was toooooo much. Sounded good here. Origin was good, but sounded a little like a blanket was over the speaker. Vin30 would make it sound great I imagine.
yes i think they record it really soft on the highs, it can get way brighter.
You can make the dsl sound more like an Origin, but not the other way...
I think the Origin sounds better with the Tele's single coils and the DSL sounds better with the V's humbuckers. However if I had to choose one amp to use with both guitars I would go with the Origin overall.
As I dsl owner I think your right but if I was gonna make a rapid change I'd have to go with the sv20h u can get the sound of the 70s and even into the 80s until the jcm 800 took hold no amp sounds like it !! I can get the jcm 800 tone on the dsl anyways, thin it out and lower the gain and crank the volume to the sweet spot then turn the treble up on a good quality clean boost 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Love both amps.....I own the new Marshall DSL100 Watt head, sounds pretty amazing , although the eq section was better in the old DSL...but cranked up thru a 4x12, it's a beast!...
I like the Dsl "does a lot of things for dirt cheap" mojo.
Dirty deeds for dirt cheap is about right :) .I got the 20 head and 2x12 and just choke the FX loop with a home made volume pedal so I can push it harder and get a fuller sound at lower volumes.
That Origin 20 sounded really good though.
Waaaaiiit I've just checked the price, is that what you call dirt cheap? I've got way too used to solid state prices my Marshall mg sounds kinda similar to the dsl tho
THIS WAS AQWESOME MATE!! Thank you much! ...Most detail I've heard. Cool comparison. May do the Origin.
Been waiting for a comparison like this. Although still waiting on the Origin 50 vs JTM45!
Me too
Through a good cab (same cab)
Make it a JTM45/50 to make it even at 50W and we got em good
Dumb Dickler I had a jtm 45 for a week. It stayed clean, not very loud, and didn’t even crunch. It was just a weak clean amp that needed a pedal to do anything.
@@billnelson9413 hmm. Not mine.. Needs to be jumpered and cranked though, hopefully with an attenuator.
Thanks Brother's! Well done! Enjoyed the Origin for cleans and DSL for distorted tones! Same speaker may have produced a similar result! Loved the EPI Tele, Thanks Simon! (I couldn't be around all those guitars and not pick them up and play!) Thanks for sharing Johan!
I love these comparison videos but I have found it useful to listen without watching first to avoid any bias.
Both sound amazing. This was great to see as I have been wanting to try an Origin. I have a DSL40, and love it but I have been wondering how close these 2 sound. Sweet playing Johan!
I love the hair on the Origin - it may only do one tone, but that's the exact tone I want, whereas the DSL does many tones I don't care for! I'm amazed by how good you make the Origin 20 sound though, I couldn't get it anywhere near as big sounding - I ultimately went with the Origin 50 combo to avoid the 20's boxiness, and I couldn't be happier. :-)
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Fantastic playing and a phenomenal demo as always! Would love to see you demo a Yamaha Revstar! Perhaps a RS620CR or a RS820CR. That 720 looks gorgeous with the Bigsby and the filtertron pickups!
Excellent video! Both amps sound great but I’m gonna run out and buy DSL20 immediately!! Keep on Rockin‘ !!
Been shopping dsl20 and 40...thanks for showing dsl20, its got simplicity going for it and my ears like it.
It would be great if you compare both tops with the same speaker cabinet!
excellent comparison, I own the Orgin 50 and love the more vintage Marshall tone with great cleans as well......DSL is excellent also just different uses.....
For gigging the origin would probably be better. But the DSL on its own would probably be more fun. It's Monday again already. Have a good one
JOHAN SEGEBORN---------> Jag vill bara att du ska veta att du och det arbete du lägger ner på den här kanalens innehåll är enormt betydelsefullt för väldigt många människor.
Stor tumme upp för alla dina idéer du du ständigt kommer på och för att du orkar filma och lägger upp så mycket intressant här. Tack Johan.
Why is no one talking about how he's play a telecaster with a Gibson headstock and an epiphone name
...or the B.O.C. Hat!
I think Johan did various videos on swapping out necks but I don't remember if that's his guitar.
If we already knew about it, it would explain the lack of mention in the comments.
There was a period in the 1980s when Epiphone had a thing with Gibson explorer type headstocks. Kramer, Jackson, and Charvell guitars were all the rage. They all had pointy, 6 inline headstocks (then came the pointy reverse headstock craze for a few years). I think Epiphone borrowed the Pointiest Gibson headstock style to stay relevant . Epiphone made some strange guitar models during that time. A friend of mine had an HSS strat style epiphone with that explorer type headstock. They made Telecaster type guitars as well.
@@Kevlarel84 I had one of the "strats" with the explorer headstock too.
That's an Epiphone T-310. Yep! Straight up Epiphone! They even made Strat style guitars too. Those were of the late '89 to '90s era I believe.
I got the Origin 50H a year now. Using also a booster in fronf, you can get also nice distorsion at low volumes. I got also a DSL1HR in the living room for practice. Origin for high volumes, DSL for low volumes...
The 50's - 60's Tone of the Marshall origin 20c is just perfect...
I'm shocked at how much I wasn't keen on the DSL tone. The Origin just sounds so good in comparison.
I'd be interested to hear is a comparison between the Origin 20 and the Fender Bassbreaker 15.
Love the Origin ! I got an Origin 20 H with 2x12 v30 speakers and i love it, the dsl is more for modern tones.
ur better off with the combo. Practice at home with combo live run it through a 212. U can pur the 212 vertical and combo on top
I think the dsl has the real vintage Marshall tones. The origin is more like a low watt Fender tweed sound. The dsl is in the Hendrix color spectrum.
The origin sounds really really good. It is almost like a new take on the class 5
That bit in the 2:00-2:40---> section- wow! It may be part of a song that I don't know, but very Rolling Stones! Great demo overall, thank you.
Origin for Single coils
DSL for Humbuckers
Origin for hum buckers too
Is this origin 20 a full Valve amp?
Exactly! I have a 1962' Gibson double cutaway LP Jr. with a single P90 single coil pickup that is just dying to sing through the Marshall Origin 20C! 😁😁
@@oscarmejia8495 Yes it is. The 20 is cathode bias. The 50 has a trim pot. People seem to be opening these amps up and seeing mosfets and IC chips and crying foul but this amp has power scaling, DI (which is honestly pretty rubbish) and speaker emulation. The only criticism is the input headroom is pretty big, so if 'plexi' tone is your goal, you will need to punish it with a pedal or two to really gun it. Personally, I have found that the amp distortion is wonderful (in full power mode + boost engaged) but you will be need to dime the master volume and that means pushing serious DB's. Its crazy (painful + tinnitus inducing) through a half stack without a boost or overdrive pedal to do the heavy lifting. Actually louder (in terms of sheer BAMF) than my AC30.
I liked the Tele with DSLand origin with flying V
Wow I didn't know there was a DSL 20.
They both sound great!
I think I leaning towards liking the Origin better, n I'm a DSL owner
I really love the origin’s sound
I favoured the Origin overall, but for certain riffs/examples I preferred the DSL. I think Johan summed it up quite nicely at the beginning, they are good at different things.
Cool amps and all... That scenery! Beautiful.
Damn Sweden is beautiful. I went to Bornholm once... the forests were magical. Great set-up for an amp demo man!
I think it depends a lot on what you want out of the amp and what kind of player you are. If you want that vintage sound, and don't need tons of gain from the amp, the Origin might be your best option. I noticed you were on the clean channel on the DSL for almost the whole shoot, only switching over to the distortion channel (red light) for a moment. That was the moment when I said, "That's what I'm talking about!" I have a DSL 40c, and I tend to use it either full-clean or with a lot of gain, using a pedal to push the clean if I want some crunch from it.
I think the same
Johan, the DSL has a more open, high sound Origin has a more bassey thicker, old Marshall sound. Yet I enjoy both! I bought both when they came out from Guitar Center on Sunset Blvd here in Hollywood California. Great mid range amps!
Agree, I tried out both amps and would liked to have bought both.
I bought the DSL as I felt I could get more tones.
Also my brother who was testing the amps with me took a liking to the Origin which was better for his style. Just waiting for him to buy the Origin.
That V through the Origin made a beautiful sounding instrument. I would have loved to hear that Yamaha Revstar through the Origin too.
I would be interest in seeing the setting. Very different sounds. Nice job!
I love Johns one foot in front of the other pentatonic shred stance!
The telecaster in the dsl20 was perfect!!!
Great vids Johan, you gotta get your hands on some Friedman stuff! I'd suggest the Smallbox 50 and Dirty Shirley given your musical taste. Cheers!
Wow both sounded great. Hats off to Johan and Simon for the playing. The first 3 and half minutes or so the Origin crushed it, and the last half the DSL sounded ace.
The tone @5:15 is awesome on that DSL. They sound so good with Fender style, single coil guitars
I don't know if I've ever heard a larger difference in tone btw two amps from the same manufacturer that are so similar on paper. The Origin sounds amazing . I own the DSL 20 and will be selling it very soon to purchase an Origin.
Damn I really like your open scenario. Definitely wonderful. You know you should’ve tried the amps there :)
In this format the Origin really nails the classic JTM 45 type fat tones BUT you never took advantage of the DSL20's fat tones available on the Ultra Gain channel with the gain dialed in at around 3 to 4 on the gain knob and backed off to about 7 or 8 on the guitar volume. The DSL20 is one of Marshall's most versatile little guys once you know how to take advantage of the abundant array of sonic potentials it's capable of easily delivering.
I've heard the speaker in the DSL combos is the weak point but I played the DSL 100 head through a 1960 cab and also found it very shrill and glassy like in this comparison. On the other hand the Origin sounds fantastic. They seem to be getting mixed reviews but I'm definitely going to try one out. So warm and round 🤤
Again, as usual, nice one man. Although, whatever switch you flipped at the 4:min mark (on the dsl. Rhythm to lead I would imagine) is how they should be compared no? Up until then it was difficult to assess what the dal had to offer. I will keep watching. You rock friend!
Feels like DSL
Very nice comparison, It would have been interesting to see the equalization on each amp
I’ve got the DSL20CR and was never impressed until I got a vintage 4x12 Blackheart cab off a yard sale page for cheap .... Changed everything
I just picked up a used DSL20 fitted with a V30 for £195 !!! Bargain of the century and I'm very impressed with it.
Sound is a personal thing and my liking goes to the DSL and the Flying V
I prefer the Origin but the truth is that they really both do co completely different things. It’s still great to compare though. Great video!
I think the Origin sounds cracking for the price but the DSL is hitting the correct mids for cutting it in a live mix. I would be happy adding either one to my collection .
Hit it with a tube screamer
Thanks Johan, love your channel!
The Origin wins in my opinion.
I wonder how the Origin 20 compares to the Fender Bassbreaker 15. Would that be a possibility for a comparison video? Thanks again!
I was thinking the same thing!
My DSL 20 arrived yesterday. Haven't got it quite dialed in yet, but it sounds awesome!!! 😏😏😏👍👍👍🎼🎼🎼
Almost pulled the trigger on an Origin 20 head last week. Sounds superb.
Had a Class 5 combo recently, but it didn't record well.
i choose between this 2 before. but i ended up on marshall jubilee 2525H. 😊
Congrats, good decision!
Thats a nice amp. I got it and the dsl 40 cr and they are different for sure. But then i plug into my vox and fender and..... well feel spoiled.haha love me some silver.
chris tian Sweet
chris tian I’m literally on the verge of ordering my 2525h, the only reason I haven’t is cause I’m studying for an important test and I know I won’t get any work done so it will be my reward when I pass it! I can’t wait!
I just bought a Jubilee and a DSL to see which one i like more
I’ve played both amps. They both sound good. The DSL20CR does sound a bit harsh and that’s due to the shitty stock 70/80 speaker. I own the DSL20CR and put in a UK made Greenback made in 2000 and it sounds excellent.
Man I want one of those Amos V’s! Nice Epi Tele!
I only briefly saw the Origin settings, but I found what I think is the best for these amps. Master 10 - Boost on - Gain 2 to 4 TMB according to your ear and guitar. Control volume and break up with your guitar volume. I didn’t care for the preamp distortion, but this is a different amp with the MV cranked!
Great comparison, but I wish you showed the settings of each amp.
Great video as always! I like Origin more here, due to more creamy and dirty sound. How much difference is in the speaker? I do like to hear test through the same speaker.
Dear Johan, patron saint of Marshall, I love your work! Have you ever demo’d the Class 5? I don’t rate the speaker / cab in the combo version, but the amp sounds great when run on 11 through a bigger speaker.
I think it’s not popular because people bought it expecting it to be a great home practice amp, but it only comes to life when it’s raging! Also, the first version was poorly made.
I’ve used it at rehearsals through a 4x12 with a loud drummer, and it sounded killer! I’m thinking about using it in a studio session in January.
I’d love to hear your take on it!
I actually got rid of my JVM 210 because of how good the Class 5 was. JVM disappeared in the mix. Class 5 turned up to 7 ran through a 2x12 custom cab and an OCD in front is incredible.
Haha...if only the Origin could sound a little more like the DSL and if the DSL could sound a little more like the Origin. In other words...the origin has a lovely honk in the 400-600hz area, but there's just too much of it. And the DSL could use more of that very quality.
Could maybe be fixed with a larger mid pot, tgen you have more flexibility with the mids. I did this to my marshall clone, very good for fine tuning. Go to 100k or 250 k mid pot..
You can see it in action in the Duncan amp tools tone stack simulator.. At 1 you have less mids, at 5 like its cranked now.
For less mids stays between 1 and 3 on the mids..
For the DSL one could do thecsame pot and stay between 5 and 10..
Exactly
Speaker swap.... change to creamback
I just love how Johan talks about Moarshalls!
Moooaaarshall rules :-)
I gave a dsl20 combo on loan for the next month. Honestly it’s a really good amp. I keep reading about the Celestion 70/80 being a crappy speaker but I find it to be very good and it’s not broken in yet. It’s sound fantastic turned up loud but I can still get great tone with the master turned down on the low wattage setting.
A greenback or warehouse veteran really adds to the overall sound quality of the amp. The 70/80 isn't a bad speaker but it kept the dsl series in the target price area. Loading it with a greenback or creamback would have added atleast another $150 -$200 on the amp. That's now putting the dsl40c with a creamback close to $1000 after taxes. That's a lot to ask for an Indonesian made amp. Buying a used dsl40h and finding a used 2x12 v30 thats broken in showcases how great the amp is for under $600.
Just bought the origin to use in a stereo set up.
Origin on the left, Hand wired VOX ac15 on the right
Johan ! Where is that beautiful outdoor setting that you started the video with? I want to find it on Google Maps for a visit in the future.
a very good comparison; I really like the Origin
i compared the two at the local GC (guitar center). the origin sounds good only when turned up higher than bedroom level. the DSL may not sound as creamy as the origin but plays at lower volumes better.
wonderfull place!! greetings from Spain
Wonderfull place dude, great review
I played a DSL 20 about two weeks ago. Treble city!!
Fantastic....I love the comparison. Do you prefer one or the other if you had to pick one?
I love the Origin series. Genuine vintage Marshall tone. Best result is an Origin head with 2 x 12 cab.
I had to go with the DSL20CR when I was looking. Liked the Origin 20, but found it was a one trick pony and the 1 x 10" speaker removed frequencies you cannot dial back in, whereas the DSL clean/disto channels give some options and replaced OD pedals. Now, if I were to level up wattage, I'd pick the Origin 50 over the DSL40. Weight is one benefit, but the bigger cab and 12" speaker open her right up. I just don't need it (yet!).
On the DSL20, first day I swapped out the 70/80 speaker and it made a big difference. Tried different speakers - Greenback, Creamback Neo, Swamp Thang and Tonkerlite. CB Neo was perhaps the traditional best fit, but settled on the Tonkerlite because it suited both channels, but also gets louder before saturation on the clean.
Wow, really love the Origin’s character. Less trebly than the DSL, but heaps of punch.
Wow very different. Once again your demo really is instructive. Way preferred the origin due to its fatness
Both great amps, but it's the Origin 20C for me. Just depends on your style and what you like. 👍
I Love Goteborg! Much nicer people than stockholm! You've became my favourite CZcamsr. "HI! Today we gonna compare..." Best words ever