Don't buy these 3 Marshall amps | Marshall amp review
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- As a guitar player, chances are you want a Marshall amplifier at some point. Problem is, some of Marshall's current offerings you simply shouldn't buy. Here are 3 Marshall you shouldn't buy and 3 alternative guitar amps you could buy instead.
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The problem is that anybody can post and opine about anything
The good thing is that you don't have to agree with them. "Tone" is a subjective thing. ✌️🇦🇺
That actually not a problem if you don't offend anyone and no one needs to agree. It's just your personal opinion maaan! 😄
Yep i call them Amp Trolls
he's got a point though, especially with the sv20h...
@@castleanthrax1833 no, he's right a Marshall needs to be turned up to get that tone, There's nothing subjective about this , this is proven fact. all those great jams using Marshall weren't played @1 on the volume scale, All those great Hendrix tunes in which he used a Marshall would have been crap at low volume. sorry.
people bash Marshall amps and buy Marshall Clones i find that hilarious
The new DSL’s are FAR BETTER MADE than the JCM2000’s. I’m an amp tech. The JCM2000’s were one of the worst Marshalls ever made. A nightmare to service, run away bias drift issues due to crap circuit boards. The new DSL’s are VERY well made for the price point and a dream to service. They’re the most serviceable amps Marshall has made since the JCM800’s.
Ya terrible amp design. The jcm 2000 dsl designer fell short for sure tone wise. Good amp though, gets the job done when that’s all you got.
I fixed my bias drift, and my 2000 is my go to for studio tracking.
They sound great. Despite their ‘issues’, they continue to be the primary backline amp at rock shows. Ask Nuno.
@@ajlsrv5490 Nuno could plug into a ham sandwich and it would sound amazing.
@@barano9729 I don’t know about that, but I do know he could play any amp in the world and chooses a JCM2000. He is not unique in that regard either.
When they asked Bonamassa about using dsl2000's he said he used them because the sound was just as good as his vintage Marshalls.......but what does he know.
Yep! I‘d love to have one right next to my jubilee and see how close they can get!
I just bought a DSL40CR and I’m shocked by how great this amp sounds. I’m completely satisfied.
I have had a DSl 40CR since mid 2019 and I love it . 5 years and zero issues or complaints other than not liking the stock V type speaker which didn't matter because I bought specifically to run though extension cabs because it's doesn't come as a head but eventually I heard the DSL 40C which had a creamback M65 in it and was blown away so I ordered one and put it in my 40CR and was extremely impressed with how much bettet it sounded . I don't normally like open back combos on their own but with the Creamback M I actually use the combo on its own quite frequently. I still prefer it with a closed back 1 by 12 or 2 by 12 but using the 40CR on its own for a different flavor is a nice option to have.
The classic Gain Channel cranked in crunch mode does a very usable classic Marhsall open back combo tone
sound went kaput in my beat around dsl 40. sucks. It was ok when it worked.
@@before120 ..best technical explanation ever, in perfect English. You should be awarded a Shakespearian gold metal, for that fine work of literature...puttz.
Adrian Smith, Nuno Bettencourt, Reb Beach, Michael Wilton...a few names that use JCM2000s.
It maybe a matter of affordability. Most back line rental places have them and rent them out for pretty cheap.
Reb Beach does not use a JCM2000.
@@barano9729 Great reply...if you pretend Adrian Smith, Nuno Bettencourt, Reb Beach, Michael Wilton only play 'backline' JCM2000s, and don't have a crew of people who set up their OWN AMPS. Please, tell me the 'cheap price' you pay for a 'backline' of JCM2000's. Then tell me what those people charge for a Hot Rod Deluxe Fender.
...I'll wait.
I use the sv20 with a rock crusher attenuator and it’s amazing.
Same here, sounds fantastic
Actually you can get the power amp to push on a plexi, get an attenuator
Marshalls were not meant to be played at bedroom levels to begin with, gerting a marshall to play at home you have to buy a good attenuator, that is the price you have to pay to get a plexi sounds at bedroom levels, the new 20w amps says it all in the name "studio" vintage.
my sv20 sounds glorious at home with my rivera rock crusher attenuator, i dont feel the need to own another amp.
That may be true for vintage Marshall's but there are modern Marshall's that sound great for bedroom playing . Anything 50 watts or Lower can sound great at home if they have a decent master volume.
The DSls also have power scaling so they can work for bedroom playing.
I use a DSL 40CR ran through a 2 by 12 in my bedroom/living room/Kitchen and can get very nice saturated tones .
The right tool for the right job used in the right way can solve almost all these issues
This guy is shitting out of his mouth, the SV20 is Marshall's best 20w amp.
I have the jvm 410h. Yes it's expensive and way more wattage than I'll ever need, but the master volume allows me to get bedroom volume and the sound is what we all dream off. I have a class 5 for sale
JVM is an all time great Marshall.
Expensive? I bought mine for $1700 in 2012.
I own a marshall dsl20hr tube head and personally i can tell you that its one of the best amps ive ever tried it gives great tones for many styles especially if youre a more metal guitar player its a GREAT AMP that can give great tones for various types of metal genres all in all its a great budget amp that can rival some of the more famous amps.
I think home/bedroom players who love tube amps and are in the know, have an attenuator. The whole “too loud for home use” thing is really not a thing once you get one. Which again, tube lovers already probably have. I love the studio line from Marshall. I own all 4 and keep the power tubes saturated and the volume down. Life’s good.
Exactly. Any home player with even the most basic tube amp knowledge base is either going to buy an attenuator or they will buy a tube amp more suitable for home use .
If you buy an NMV single channel vintage/plexi type amp you will get an attenuator or you will buy a dual channel Lower wattage master volume amp .
I have no issues using my DSL 40 CR at home without an attenuator. Between the master volumes and the lower wattage settings i have no issues and the tone is great although I do plan on getting an attenuator soon because i want to add a Marshall 1987 to the lineup .
Hey Joey! Really cool channel, love your playing. I am myself addicted to Telecaster as well. I’m considering getting a 20w Marshall origin head. Have you any thought on this one? Keep on rocking!
Never played it for longer than 5 mins so I can’t really judge!
@@joeyjooones thanks for answering Joey, if by any chance you have the opportunity to play it the “proper way”, let me know :) I so much hate testing gear in a store for many reasons… but I might have to do it again
dont know anyone that iused the JCM 2000 DSL??? there was this guy from Ireland...Gary Moore..he was pretty good on the guitar, well he used them a LOT. Ohhh..and that Jeff Beck guy..he was pretty good.
Research is your friend.
Currently Nuno's amp of choice too.
Really? Good to know!
If you could get Marshall JCM 2000 dsl for free like Gary did you’d use them too. Gary was an amazing player he could plug into a cheeseburger and it was sound incredible. As for Nuno, seems like he’s on a budget, an amazing player nevertheless. Love both of them.
@@barano9729 Eh? on a budget you don't think any amp company would jump at a chance to have Nuno play their stuff?? as for Gary, he could have used ANYTHING Marshall made (as could Jeff), he picked the DSL, in fact after he tried Soldano for a brief time, he went back to them and was ready to take them back out on a rock tour shortly before he passed. The statement in this video is wrong, pure and simple
@barano9729. First Nuno with a "ham sandwich," and now it's Gary Moore with a "cheeseburger"?
What's with you having people playing their lunch?
I think it's time for you to pick a different type of comparison... because the current ones aren't working.
What do you think about the JVM205 or JVM410
Just wondering how many of the problems you describe would be cured with a power attenuator?
All of them.
@@OneHandleToHandleThemAll depends if you buy a cheap one it may sound tinny and boxy, but a nice one will sound great
With the JCM 2000's, I think it's now become like a product recall. To summarise, if yours has the ISS45 board, it may be prone to bias drift etc. Marshall produced a new board, The ISS20. Seems like a faff, but they're great sounding amps.
Cant say I've ever heard a guitar player say " oh no my amps to loud." It just dont happen.
I have a 1985 jcm800 50w non master with a 4x12 …and I gig it all the time ! After playing that you just can’t get used to other small amps …helps that I mostly play punk music
Totally agree. Especially if you have a good sounding 800, what else do you really need 🙃
Can you recommend the best speakers to put in a 4 x 12 or 2 x 12 to pair with a 100W silver jubilee head?
Cream backs, sound much better than vintage 30 and they are just a sweeter sounding V30
@@ChrisHariis thank you!
JCM 2000’s are secret gems, great video awesome playing!
I’ve owned a 1987x 50 watt plexi for many years back in the 90s and I can get my dsl 40c to sound very close at low volume on lead 1. The made in Vietnams got nothing to do with it they’re great amps if you know how to dial them in. People listen with their wallets not their ears!!
Did you ever think about purchasing an attenuator I can see it’s been mentioned in the comments quite a bit also there’s a few cap changes you can make on any of these studio models. I happened on all four of them currently and honestly, I’ve enjoyed all four of them and I get as good as sounds as what you recorded there at the beginning maybe after 37 years of playing guitar and teaching lessons and a number of years of getting to the point where I could teach the lessons learning myself as learning has been a lifelong experience. I truly am blown away by your comments number one I’ve already mentioned the attenuator but number two to get on here and tell people that amplifiers are no good and that they’re going to be dissatisfied who died and made you king i’m not disagreeing with all of your opinions, but truly, why don’t you give people answers and solutions instead of problems and truly again, I would love to know what besides this CZcams channel and a few guitar licks qualifies you to tell anybody anything you’re no man and you’re not helping anybody you’re tearing people down on channels that I listen to and the people I know listen to they want positive good information. They don’t want somebody being negative spoken and rude and that’s about all you’ve done so far and not impressed me at all. You’re the not Marshall not Friedman and if you’d ever used the jubilee with the master volume, you don’t even have to use an attenuator to get Bedroom tones with high gain sounds truly man I wonder how much you really have used these amplifiers or any of the other modern convenience is known to guitar players today or for the last 20 years power soaks have been around for much longer than that even really man truly.
The beauty of the JCM2000 series was that the sound was CONSISTANT, you could always dial in the exact sound no matter where you played and this was important if you were a recording artist trying to recreate your studio sound or just gigged a lot from 100 seat bars to concert halls.
If it wasn’t catching on fire from run away bias due to their faulty PCB’s
I’ve just gone back to using my 2555SL head and 4x12BV after a couple of years trying to gig with a 2525C.
I just couldn’t get a great sound out of it, compared to what I was used to anyway. I had comments from the audience too, that my sound wasn’t as good as it used to be and so that’s what broke the camels back in the end.
I’ll still use the combo at rehearsal now and again for easiness but I’m done with it for gigs.
Regarding paring it up with the right cabinet, you’re spot on and I can definitely tell the difference between running my 2555SL through a bottom BV, which sounds superb, compared to an angled AV with doesn’t sound as good. I guess my back will just have to suffer. 😂
Great video though!
I’ve been on the fence about getting an 2555SL. I know they’re the same as Jubs with a little more gain so it’s not really necessary, but for some reason I‘m gravitating towards that amp. 😍
You should never buy an amp or decide not to buy an amp because somebody else told you you to buy it or not buy it . The wrong tool for one guy could be the perfect tool for another and vice Versa
I had a Marshal JMD:1 ... 100 watt half stack - Super Amazing
If Marshall had added usable power scaling or Captor X like circuitry to SV20h, it would be a stellar amp. At the moment it's still good IF you have an attenuator.
As a perennial bedroom/basement guitarist, this is an excellent guide. I have a couple 5 watt tube amps and they are all way too loud to crank and play at home without pissing off the fam. Alternatively, you can get an attenuator, but I've found that most attenuators do roll off some high end.
Attenuators sometimes alter the sound quite heavily.
@@joeyjooones Totally agree. I've never used the fancier ones, but the ones I've tried definitely blanket the tone. Ox Box and the Boss Katana TAE may be better.
@@joeyjooones Yep. Honestly, for quiet playing, a modeler is key. I have the UA Lion '68 and it's outstanding.
I've had the pleasure of owning of these Marshall amps: the DSL1HR, Origin20H, Origin20H (modded to JCM800 style), SV20H, and 2525H. The 2525H is the one that I kept and here's my thoughts:
If you're looking to play the SV20 at bedroom volumes through a guitar cabinet, consider grabbing yourself an attenuator. You can find some for as low as 70 euros, or you could invest in a more premium option like the Rivera Rockcrusher, Toneking Iron Man, or Fryette Powerstation. Alternatively, if you're okay with playing through studio monitors, the Two Notes Captor could be a solid option for around 250 euros. The Captor X might be a good upgrade because it has more attenuation levels, but it might not have enough attenuation to tame the SV20 to bedroom volumes. For pristine effects, consider adding them in your DAW using plugins. However, it's worth noting that having effects in front of the amp played a crucial role in creating those legendary tones of the early Marshall players. For example in achieving a tone simmilar to EVH's , using an Echoplex, Script Phase 90 and MXR Flanger in front of the amp could have a more significant impact than using the exact same amp he had.
Personally, I own the 2525H along with a matching JVM 212C. I can attest that the Jubilee can be quite picky when it comes to speaker choice. It didn't sound great with the stock G12 Heritage speaker; in fact, that combo brought out the worst in the Jubilee. However, after switching to a Vintage 30 and a G12M-65 Creamback speaker combination, it sounds perfect. I've also experimented with a lot of IRs, but I keep coming back to this speaker setup.
As for the DSL1HR, I ended up parting ways with it because the clean channel lacked serious headroom, which was a deal-breaker for me after selling my Fender amp. In general, I'd recommend skipping the DSL and Origin series and opting for one of the classics instead.
Wow, I second almost all of this. Especially V30s in Jubilees, we‘re on the same page here!
I'm running mine into a Two Notes Torpedo, that's -20dB.. still too loud :')
I use it as a full on load box, run into my HX Stomp, and then to a solid state power amp (similar to Seymour Duncan Powerstage) that pushes a 2x12 V30 cab - now THAT's great. No idea why they gave the combos 10 inch speakers.. they are waaaay too mid focused.
Also added a rotary switch to choose input cap value, can only recommend! Cheap, simple, awesome mod.
I have a SV20H on a 2x12 and it’s perfect for home use if you use an attentuator. Which I don’t have. But I also have neighbours who don’t care. So yeah…I disagree the Sv20 isn’t a home amp. It’s a great home amp! 👍
I bought the SV20h and cab and its true its incredibly loud for 20 Watts. I also got me, or better my wife :-) a Tone King mini attenuator (max.30W and the only attenuator that i know of beside Freyettes that doesn't impact the sound) and its glorious. Lower the Volume on you guitar knob and it beautifully cleans up without losing much of loudness or sounding thin. If you want to get into heavier territory hit it with an OD-3 (Vol max, Drive at 1-2) and you get that juicy hard rock Marshall sound. I don't know if i will keep it forever, because I'm more a Fender Blackface guy but I'm having a hell lot of fun with that thing right now. I've also spent tons of money on modelers, plugins and profilers and was always disappointed but also always wanted to have a real Plexi. However, its out of the question, it just doesn't make any sense to me to own something more powerful than 30 Watt these days and that SV20 thing comes darn close imo.
I recently tried using volume pedal in effects loop of SV20 and I gotta say, I think the "magic of the tone is overdriving the power stage" is a myth. The crunch still sounds killer at the low range of the volume pedal with the volume on amp around 6. Tone of the gain seems quite similar to when I floor volume pedal.
You need to check out Lambchopper's videos if you think the modern Marshall DSL's suck.
He thinks they suck because he mistakenly believes it's supposed to sound like a JCM type amp which it doesn't but didn't do enough research to learn that it's not a JCM type and was never meant to be . It's a different amp .
He wrongly expects this amp to sound a certain way and then deems it unworthy for not sounding like another amp it was never meant to sound like.
You either love the new DSLs or you don’t is the impression I get. I happen to love them I got a dsl20cr and for the money well at least a couple years ago they were the best bang for your buck Tube amp you could buy for around 500 dollars but now I think they are closer to 800 dollars and I think once you get to 800 dollars you start to really open up your options and or you could probably stretch the budget another couple hundred dollars and then you really start to open up your options for new and used tube amps, but for a couple years the 20 watt dsl was the best poor boy Marshall ever in my opinion. Oh and yeah 20 watts even at half power is really not practical for home use, just ask my neighbors. You can also approximate some 800 tones on the classic gain channel dimed and boosted it almost it’s kinda like the ultra gain channel but way more open and far less compressed with the classic channel cranked and boosted but it’s a useful sound , no it’s not an 800, but I used to play a 50 watt 800 OG from the 80s and the dsl is more practical for most people I think. I still want an 800 , a plexi and a Jubilee . The 20 watt Marshalls use big glass compared to other manufacturers and that makes a difference, my dsl20 made my rectoverb 25 sound like a toy in comparison and I found myself only playing the Marshall unless I put a chorus in front and played them both at the same time, now that was glorious I tell you !
You said not to buy the sv20 because its to loud for home use. What about gigging??
Totally fine for that! Sound is good!
@@joeyjooones rite on
Just don't buy it new, it simply isn't worth what they charge in the US. You can get a plexi clone with a built in master volume for about the same price from Ceriatone.
Joey, not to be a pest, but I am looking for pointers on how you do your vibrato. Your vibrato is among the best, I would like to learn from you. Do you have any videos about how to get your vibrato? THANKS!
I call it a fever for small amplifiers, which have a lot of problems and the sound is not as you say
It's beefy
What do you think of the reissue 2555x Silver Jubilee compared to original?
Okay-ish. Think of it as a clone. A decent amp on its own, but it doesn’t sound and react to your playing like an old Jub. Check my last video and listen to the Jubilee sounds, see if you like them. If you do, probably better to look for an OG.
That said; no 2 jubilees sound 100% the same. So I should rather answer the question like this: does it sound like my Jubilee? No. But you’re getting somewhat close with a reissue.
@@joeyjooones Im literally waiting for my 2555x jub order ( first ever tube amp for me), in europe they are 1k euros and an 87' is around 3k...as much as i want the 87 for the "maybe is actually better" it just doesnt make too much sense. Maybe if i like this , in the future but yeah..maybe US prices are different a bit, hope ill like it ;D your 87 sounds great !!
@@cechichan hey man, don't let this video take your excitement away! The 2555x is a good Marshall, definitely worth the money. However, owning the OG, my perspective is obviously different than yours, and comparing things always makes people unhappy. This is your first tube amp and you actually made a great choice for a good price!
@@joeyjooones Appreciate that boost in excitement ;D The only reason I kind of compared them in my mind is cuz im not sure if the price difference would be worth it to me, def can't wait for the reissue to arrive and see how it behaves. At worst i will send it back ( hopefully i wont have to hehe) Enjoy the 87 mate, Really fun times :D
@@cechichan The sound difference is probably not worth the price (today), but back when I bought it in 2011, things were obviously a bit different. ;) The 2555X is gonna be just fine for sure.
newer Marshalls are mass produced garbage imho. save yourself the headache and buy or build a 2203 clone.
I thought effects loop is before the power amp.
I bought the wrong Marshall. It doesnt have any drums.
i run a captor x as a power soak, and this on top of a plexi would create a very usable amp. however, the general build quality of these 20W marshall are ordinary.
Agree! A company which gets only about 5% of their revenue from amps will probably not focus on building first class units anymore.
Actually the Studio amps are good, even watched a show were Dave Friedman said they are good amps. And I play one at home, just like hotrods are loud, any non master volume amp and some master volume amps are loud. Do what other people do, buy some sort attenuator . Use a boost pedal to hit the amp and push it into drive some, etc. I play mine at home without a attenuator now and low volume and it sounds good.
Totally agree the SV20 is not a bedroom amp. Not meant to be. Show me in it product description …“bedroom amplifier”.
When i was in the Market for a Marshall 10 years ago, i tried the DSLs and quite frankly, i was disappointed in them. I eventually bought a JVM205 used and i still have it today.
I have Slash Jubilee 2555SL, JCM800 2203 and 2525H. 2525H is amazing amp even though I have two 100W amps and one of them is 2555SL. 2525H with master volume on 5-6 have big ball into 4x12 1960BX with Greenbacks.
Hi! I must absolutely disagree with you about the SV20H because:
1. when you buy any plexi style non master volume amp you must buy a power attenuator anyway to play it at home. So saying the SV20H is too loud makes no sense at all.
2. If there is a reason to not buy an SV20H then it’s because it’s not loud enough or better: it lacks dynamics because it’s only 20 watts. And the effects loop works like a charm btw…
At the other hand I completely agree with you about the new DSL series: They just sound awful.
I would honestly recommend buying a 100W Plexi or any 2203 master volume amp and use it with an attenuator at home. That works perfectly and opens the gates to Marshall heaven. 🎇
Hey Marc,
The SV20 is too loud as any other Plexi, so far so true. However the small enclosure and 5 watt mode suggest it’s usable for home use - and a lot of people fall for that trap, as you can see from my examples in the video.
And yes I do agree - if you need an attenuator regardless, get the real deal and enjoy the sparkling cleans and high headroom crunch sounds you just don’t get from the SV20. 😉
telling ppl not to buy a tube amp based on the volume is like telling ppl the sky is blue... no tube amps are made for bedroom volume level, if you have money to get a great tube amp for your bedroom you're prob buying an attenuator or a loadbox as well unless you're an idiot.
JCM 2000 DSL are different amps than the DSL.
As a big fan of Marshall amps, I CHOOSE a JCM 2000 DSL 100w over any other I could've bought. It's the last year of production model. I tested it on my 4x12 UK greenbacks against the new DSL, JVM410, JCM 800 2203, JCM 900 SLX, and a 1959 SLP with master volume. I prefer the JCM 2000 DSL BY A LONG SHOT best amp of the bunch. Never had any issues with it, never had any drifting bias, overheating or anything. I heavily prefer it's reverb and red channel over the jvm and new dsl it sounds thicker and beefier. The green channel is very plexi like. JVM and the new DSL sound too brittle and plastic for my taste no matter how I dial them, TSL is even worse in that regard, reminds me of those JCM900s with reverb and jcm800 2205. SLX and 2203 are great sounding but they can do only one type of sound right, the 2000DSL is simply far more versitile, it's very similar to the SLX, a bit more modern sounding that the 2203. Plexi is an old school beast, it obviously lacks more gain stages, it's perfect at what it does, but it's not for me.
Like the guy in the video said, you can dial SLX, 2203, Jubilee-ish, Plexi-ish tones with it and it simply sounds great if you pair it with the right cab and pickups.
I've modded mine with a switchable C12 mod (works as a deep switch for the red channel), and a footswitchable red subchannel (So that I've got 3 footswitchable channels). Amazing amp, would never trade or sell it.
I use sv20 with ironman attenuator or suhr reactive load ir , volume on 10 , playing at home every mid night.
SC20H?
if the reason to not get a sv20 is because it is too loud, not only should you not get a sv20, but you should not get a Marshall. Even the 2203 or or other master volume amps sound way too thin at low volumes and if you cant play loud, then get a power station.
Figured you were going to mention the Code series amps,,,
For the first Marshall - the SV20 - just buy a JHS drive Angry Charlie, JHS AT+, Friedman OD type pedal and put it into the "bass channel" - set the amp clean on 1-2 on the volume and you will have a very very very good Marshall sound. Juicy, liquiddy everything you would want.
I had a DSL 40 It sounded really good but I didn't like digital reverb..and i since picked up a DSL 20 . It's the speaker that they are using..iMO they suck..try playing with a external cab and it's like night and day...
Good video! Which auto wah pedal were you using?
Yeah. I own a Boss Waza TAE. Volume or tone is never an issue.
Marshally plugins rule nowadays, though.
Neural DSP Nolly has a Marshall style amp which sounds the business
Need to check it out. I have yet to find a plugin that can actually replicate an amp. And I'm a Kemper player, so, generally open to these kinds of things.
@@joeyjooones The Overloud TH-U has some sort of built-in Kemper player (Rig Player) and they offer a lot of original Kemper amp models converted to this system.
ToneX does something similar, but in my opinion mostly rather on amateur level.
I have Tonex and it’s cheap. All you need is irig which is like $80. People record their amps and cabs into the software.
Jvm410h or rockerverb 100 mk3. I’m on the fence.
Both are kiiiilller.
I honestly think the newest dsl100h and the dsl20hr are the best sounding amps Marshall has made in a long while. And the quality is pretty good for the price.
So I pretty harshly disagree with you on that one.
The original Jubilees do sound great tho.
i just bought 2525C and i think it sound decent. i also have bogner 20th anniversary with 4x12 and here the sound is much richer. marshall combo cost me 800 $ refurbished, and bogner with cab was 7000 $. marshall sounds really good to my opinion. and its worth to buy. with bigger cab it will sound better.
Fair enough! :)
2 months ago you loved the Jubilee
The 3 best Marshall’s are the afd100. Silver jubilee and the Joe satriani jvm. I also own all of them luckily !!! Haha
I liked the Satriani JVM and LOVE the Jub. The AFD is a little too bright for my taste. Good amp though. Good collection you got there!
@@joeyjoooneseveryone says this about the afd100. The trick is to match it with the 1960a cab. Sounds awesome !
Good advice bro. good video
Put a volume pedal in the effects loop.
a good alternative to the SV20 is a 1959. after playing the SLP the SV20 will sound bedroom level
I hated my mini Jubilee combo untill i ran it through some 2 by 12s then it sounded like a Jubilee should .
The G12M greenback is a poor choice for an open back combo or semi open back combo especially in a small combo . Greenbacks are already a very nasal and honky mid heavy speaker and that gets exaggerated in an open back situation especially if the combo or cab is open back .
Greenbacks excel at closed back applications and are at their best in a closed 4 by 12.
The Jubilee incuding the mini do much better with heavy Magnet speakers like the G12H30 anniversary G12H30 heritage 55 Hz and the G12H75 Creamback but my favorite is the Marshall G12 vintage . I have a Jubilee 2 by 12 cab with those speakers and its a proper Jubilee sound .
Ive had 3 DSLs die. Back to back. So frustrating.
hey man first time listener. But um my back up amp, its a m- dsl the 40cr you know. It was alright but as usual it has to be loud. anyway I use it for primarily around the house and studio stuff here and there but the freaking sound just went out. I changed all the normal things tubes etc but it did also have two blown fuses bottom line what a waste.
The Tone King Royalist MK3 - Three or more real Marshalls in one. Totally awesome tones. Its only downside is, its 27Kg.
The Silver Jubilee kombo is awesome.
The 2525 can be fine if you just use it as a head
You almost made me lose my mind when you started with the SV20 lmao. I was like "oh hellll no that amp sounds amazing!" but then you went on to explain that it is because it presents itself in a manageable home use package but is way too loud. And I could not agree more lol. I just run mine through my interface and IR's. Only way to use it at home lmao. And agreed the effects loop is very meh.
Just run a volume box through the loop, becomes far easier to manage
@@oipunkguy I actually did use an attenuator and it was manageable at just barely edge of breakup and still became too loud if I tried to push the amp at all lol. I found having full control by just running through IRs was easier for my uses.
many comments in the post about people using JCM2000's and other big amps..remember people although tube amps love to be opened up to sound great..most are now leaning towards less power in amps,..and also the ability to play at home at a more comfortable level..bedroom or otherwise and its nice that many manufactures today are making amps with built-in attenuation or the ability to play as low as .01watt..there's no right or wrong here...its all subjective anyways..and sometimes...its nice to have both..a BIG amp and a small amp...just like the singer cheryl crows says..."if it make you happy"
Buy a bugera 1960 if you want a marshall sound .. Its almost the same as my original JCM800 and the same cicuit is going on in that amp too. You will save a lot of money with that amp ..
Personally i preffer to use digital amps in 2024 .. Small and more sounds choiches and you can save presets .. I like it .. Better then the yamaha DG100 what i buyed and few month play and never look at it again haha .. Those where bad in 2001 or 2003. They nailed it digital
I like the 50th anniversary 1 watt amp heads. But Marshall will never bring them back because nobody is going to pay 20 watt studio series prices for a 1 watt, as rumour was Marshall never made much money on the anniversary amps at the original prices.
But a JMP 1 watt when they pop up sells for about same as the 20 watt.
I have a problem with cooking up all the tubes in a big amp just to plug it into an OxBox. It just seems silly. But nobody would argue the 100 waters don’t sound the best.
What about a JHS Little black Amp pedal in the FX Loop? You can crank the 20w amp and turn down the volume to bedroom level with this pedal.
I own the JVM 205H but like the sound of the JTM more. I'm considering to buy the JTM ST20H. But you're right even 5w is much too loud without any attenuator
The Silver Jubilee is a very special beast in my opinion.
I made the mistake, to buy the 2254 112 combo version in 1987 and was completely disappointed. Really was some sort of hate-love.
Later I found out, that this amp first really needs a 412 cabinet or even a full stack to sound good (or at least a good 212 closed back) and second, despite of the Master Volume it has to be played really loud. Nevertheless it is not quite the right amp for typical Marshall Plexi sounds, rather some sort of hot-rodded JCM800. Much less bass, thinner, more scratchy treble than a 1959. Nice with a Les Paul, not so nice with a Strat or Tele.
Guitar gear always is an interactive system, so there is a reason, why eg. Slash uses alnico II pickups instead of alnico V in combination with a Silver Jubilee (or later AFD). To reduce harshness and treble scatchiness. But with other amps these pickups also can sound too warm. Always depending on the combinations.
A good, brutal and heavy sounding stage amp it is, if you like the sound, but hardly usable for home use without a power attenuator or load box. But these tools anyway are essential for any tube amp at home in my opinion. The new Harley Benton sounds surprisingly good and neutral for a resistive load, but a really good reactive load box still is a different league. Not cheap, but you anyway only need it once. Torpedo Captor disappointed me, became an instant return, as it did cut-off every low end and treble started sounding like the one of a transistor amp, which was not, what I had expected, so I decided for a much more expensive, but much more naturally sounding solution, also with a lot more other advantages.
Even my (slightly modded) Killer Ant with 0.4 W is much too loud at home without a power attenuator. But meanwhile I prefer running it through my load box and some matching cabinet IR's anyway instead of using real cabinets and amplify the line signal through my computer monitors.
If I still had the Silver Jubilee, I maybe replaced the V30 with a Hesu Demon or any other speaker with smoother treble (A Hempback on the other hand already may sound too smooth), which in principle also a 412 cabinet does, it dampens the (too intense) treble peaks and shrillness, a 112 usually does not. A 212 lies somewhere in between.
Also tried Origins and Studios, did not convince me so much, especiall not the Origins. DSL‘s are good, if you look for hotter, modern high-gain Marshall sounds, as long as you do not use a JVM or JVM JS, but not so good for vintage sounds.
1959HW and JTM45 Reissue are good, also because you can nicely and easily mod them too, if you know, how. I preferred both over any Studio. But still my dream amp is a Metropoulos Metro-Plex.
Meanwhile I have a JMP-1 preamp (more Plexi-voiced in my opinion) and an awesome, mostly as power amp only abused not-Marshall amp, which equally well works with 6V6, 6L6GC, 5881, EL34 or KT77 power amp tubes, plus stepless, perfectly well working 0.5 W to 40/50W power scaling, so I think, I meanwhile get almost any sound, I am looking for at almost any level.
I agree with a lot of things. Especially the Jub needing a good, rather big cabinet. I do however disagree that an OG Jub sounds thin. Check out my last video.. It’s a greasy beast. 😉
@@joeyjooones Mine did unfortunately, only (too scratchy) treble, but hardly any mids and bass independent of the tone controls, and this even with turned down Presence. Whyever. Maybe a monday model, but Marshalls anyway always can sound very different, even if they are the same model, is at least my experience.
I had to order it, so I could not test it before. (This had been the 1980's and such gear hardly had been available in any average musci store, at least not, where I lived. The amp had been higly praised in some guitar magazines, so I bought it. Later I preferred, to use a Crate Vintage Club instead, gave me more the sounds, I had been looking for at this time.)
If I eg. use the Softube Silver Jubilee plugin, this pleases my ears much more and sounds much "beefier", smoother, more balanced and much better, than my own real Silver Jubilee ever did. I really had been totally surprised, to hear such a good sounding Silver Jubilee (plugin). But I anyway have it not anymore.
To your video: Sounds great, but you also use a wah, which means, more mids, more beef.... ;-)
Uhhh this must be why my 100W 1966 super 100 aka..jtm45/100 doesn't work in my bedroom🤔
phew that's a great amp. is it a black flag jtm?
@@joeyjooones Hey, No its pre black flag, it's the same amp as the Hendrix / Dickinson amp. if your not sure just google the Hendrix Dickinson amp . i watched the video you did on that master volume modded 1974 Marshall, sounded dam good!✌
Too loud?! It's never too loud! I don't understand.
I love how these Marshalls are part of the Studio line and meant for studio us where 50 to 100 watt amps are difficult to record at loud volume. 20 watts or even 5 watts are easier to record in the studio at low volumes. I would do more research before you post videos.
I have dsl20( chinaI ) Tsl 100 with 6l6 tung sol , and plexi 1959hw 100w uk, the dsl20 is crap
lynch mod put one of those in the plexi
Nuno Bettencourt uses those Marshalls
My SV20 sounds great...but I have an attenuator (Iron Man II) so I guess that's cheating.
I got the cheap Bugera one.
Yes it's a tone compromise when you want to use the amp's gain but I just use it's clean with pedals in my home.
You can't get around the loop though. When you drive the amp you ll have to keep the mix on your effects low. Sounds barely useable to me..
@@MeLexdy If use the loop I tame it with the JHS Little Black Box which helps a little. The original Plexi had no effect loop so the sounds are what they are. I can good usable sounds out of the front end with tweeking. Cheers
No that’s not cheating. That’s just the right way to use it!
Attenuators aren't cheating. They serve a useful purpose. 👌
Marshall at not a bedroom level ? So sounds like a real one
Yes the SV20 is a goof. Yes, any combo compared to the head is a goof. No the DSL "Serious😂" head in the 100 watt version is a bargain and well worth every penny. Just for the tubes alone its a really versatile powerfull amp. I carry one as my backup and used to play it for years at home. Fun video. Don't agree with the DSL Serious part of it, but I bet you are going off not the one I own and referanced. 😂 Take care and Rock N Roll Mr. Jones.
Best to just stick with a Twin Reverb as a pedal platform
Who mentioned a pedal platform? For that matter... who mentioned pedals at all?
Funny at the beginning, he said you want to sound like this!!! Then queued the plug-ins, ha ha. Or maybe he was plugged straight into his DAW.
I‘m plugged into the Jubilee right behind me. Keep laughing though.
I will. What’s the jubilee plugged into? Something ain’t right!
Holy smokes. I’ve had a silver jube and have the 2525c combo and I like it more than my real silver jube. I also have different cabs and speakers and I’ve gigged with it and it is awesome. Totally disagree.
same here! BUT, it might be due the fact, that I was not in chase for the original "jube" sound. I just loved the sound of that combo directly - and i tried different celestions just to put greenback back in, seems to be perfect match. cheers!
Regarding the SV20, you do know what the "S" stands for don't you? The JCM2000'S Were played by Gary Moore, Jeff Beck, Richie Sambora, Joe Bonamassa and many many more top notch musicians.
Good call! I showed Bonamassa in the video, didn’t know about the others.
@@joeyjooones. Nuno uses them too.
We all know what the S stands for. Names are just names... they don't mean you can only use them in a studio.
@@castleanthrax1833 . Yeah, but he's saying not to buy a perfectly good amp as it's too loud for home use that's primarily designed for studio. The whole video was pretty pointless and ill informed in my opinion. Especially when he claimed that nobody of any note ever played the JCM200 DSL models. Complete and utter nonsense.
What a terrible list. By far not the worst three Marshalls.
The SV20H is the best amp I’ve ever owned. Sounds better than original JCM 800.
Run your pedals through the FX Loop and use the level knobs for desired volume. I play at bedroom volume nearly daily and it sounds great.
Jubilees were voiced to pair with Vintage 30s in a 1960 cab.
1:28 Complaining because a Marshall is too loud. Millenials. 🙄
I‘m sure it’s a generational thing, and not the fact that you have to respect your neighbors.
@@joeyjooones 🤪
😂Hogwash
@@jeffroq@jeffroq
I mean no disrespect to anybody, but being a Gen X'er and growing up in the heyday of Marshalls, I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that a criticism of a Marshall would be that it was too loud. It's just funny to me. 🤣
C'mon, SJ is an amazing amp, ppl spend so much money on pubs and so on )) 1k is not that much for a 100w tube amp.
Bro, there's smth that was invented a little while ago it's called ATTENUATOR, there's also smth called LOADBOX.. there's multiple ways of cranking your Marshall up without going deaf.... I have the SV20 and it's prob the best amp in my collection, pls stop passing on misinformation, the SV20 is prob the best sounding 20w amp that Marshall has put out, and also the effects loop is great.
JCM2000 is a terrible fizzy sounding amp...I guess to someone as young as you the early 2000's is 'vintage'. It isn't.
The SV20 doesn’t sound like a plexi
The modern DSL is not and was never meant to be a JCM type amp .
Its a completely different amp from a JCM 2000 DSL by design .
If your judging the newer DSLs negatively because they don't sound like a JCM amp or JCM 2000 thats a you being ill informed problem .
Its got nothing to do wirh where its made or the components.
All of Marshalls so called superior England made amps use the same components as the ones made in Vietnam .
Are you actually left handed or is the picture reversed
Lefty here!
I sure as hell don't want my Marshall to sound like that opening riff. Sounded like shit.
Joey, this is a great video. Totally agree with you. I have 3 JCM 2000's, 2 1999's and 1 2002. I mod them and they sound absolutely amazing and I've never had any problems with them. And to my ears they sound way better then the new Vietnam built DSL's.
Jim 800 4 me
Never let bro cook again, literally everything je said is 100% wrong.