Josh Pate On FSU + Clemson + UNC Possibly Leaving ACC (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- Clemson, FSU, and now North Carolina have been publicly looking to leave the ACC. On Late Kick Live Ep 513 Josh Pate reacted to the latest rumblings out of Amelia Island at ACC spring meetings and what could be around the corner. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Ill fix it all on ncaa 25
My man
Counting down the days!
"Leaving well enough alone" ended when Texas and Oklahoma started this whole money grab, and people need to stop blaming FSU and Clemson and anyone else now doing what they can to survive as a result...
lol, it started with NEBRASKA to the B1G and the gazillion dominos that fell before Oklahoma & Texas finally decided to go.
Long time ACC powerhouses Cal and Stanford will keep it together
Curious... What backfill kept the BIG12 as a peer major? A: None did.
ACC not pressuring the weak teams to step up their football programs cost them in the end.
Nope... Expansions not meeting expectations was a material cause. Those expansions were push by FSU and the other "football schools".
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If FSU or Clemson went to the big 12 those fans would burn the programs to the ground. You don’t make all this noise to not end up in the biggest conferences with the highest pay days.
It works better for balance if they got to the Big 12 and for brands as well.
Example
Major brands in each confrence
Big 10
Ohio state
Michigan
Usc
Nebraska
Oregon
SEC
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Big 12
Kansas state
Utah
Colorado
Oklahoma state????
Texas tech?????
The big 12 HAS to add them to stay relevant. Otherwise, they're going to fade into obscurity as well.
FSU and Clemson are leaving for money. Going to the B12 would pay them about the same. Why would they spend tens and maybe hundreds of millions of dollars to make the same money? Make that make sense. And yes, FSU fans would burn the place down.
@@seanakima50515eYeah, but FSU and Clemson don't care even a smidgen about the B12. They aren't going to the B12 to balance the conferences. They are going to the B10 or the SEC for more money. The B12 is the same money.
@@seanakima50515elol FSU isn’t going to the shit12
@@seanakima50515e Colorado one of the "major brands" in the Big 12? Hardly. They made a splashy hire that no actual major brand was willing to make.
If we are going to support regionality then majority of ACC belongs in SEC
We all know you love the Big12, and I can respect that, but there’s no way FSU, or Clemson would go there. Of course the SEC and Big Ten are acting like they don’t need to add any more teams. They’re only saying that in hopes of getting FSU, Clemson, and the other high value ACC teams at a discount rate. FSU Always ranks within the top 15 Nationally of the most viewed teams in college football. Viewership equals money! The top tier teams in the ACC will end up in either the Big Ten or the SEC! GUARANTEE!
I'm new to this conversation so help me out a little. Won't ESPN have something to say about how much FSU and Clemson get paid IF the SEC accepts them? Why would the broadcast network - who is struggling financially - give them another $40 million or so per year? Different networks but same question IF B1G accepts them?
@@lawrenceksyahoocom Clemson's playoff games against SEC comp was some of the highest rated of all time. FSU always has top shelf TV ratings. Those two teams along with ND are the best programs left for the Big 2 to grab.
@@lawrenceksyahoocomFSU and Clemson would be adding significant value in brand and viewership regardless where they go. That'll help any network regardless if you think they're struggling or not
ACC was dead in the water when it put together that horrific grant of rights in 2013. Its a wonder it has lasted this long.
It was my understanding that when the Terps left the ACC, FSU had opportunity to go also. They stayed and signed the GOR. The Terps paid 130 large, I think, to dip. I loved the ACC as a kid when things were “normal”. The ACC expansion experience changed everything. It does please me in an odd way after Buck was fouled and so much more that the Terps leaving helped create the GOR and that now UNC is going to turn its back on the conference where they ran amuck for decades, the All Carolina Conference.
Josh is right. Brett Yormark knows what he is doing. The SEC and Big Ten had better not get too comfortable. If the Big 12 manages to grab several of the top ACC teams and if teams like TCU, Utah, K State or other Big 12 teams make playoff runs or win it all in the next 5 years we could be looking at a much different landscape.
Just delusional....
K-State dominated the pop tart bowl now they will destroy all of college football..
This is satire right?
Do you really think FSU and Clemson would spend hundreds of millions and not have landing spots in the SEC or B10? Would they spend hundreds of millions to go to the B12 for basically the same money and competitive perception? No and no are the answers.
Exactly
Yes, because the Big 10 doesn't have ESPN. Look at Oklahoma and Texas. These two schools have way more prestige than any ACC team. If they have go from the Big 12 to the SEC to stay in the ESPN ecosystem then so are the ACC teams.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV Aaaaaaaaaaand how much money does Fox have and willing to spend?
@@CarlaJenkinsTV FSU tv ratings (the only thing that matters in this conversation) are basically equall tp Texas and MUCH better than Oklahoma's. Clemson is close to Oklahoma. Why do you think yhose teams left the B12. Because the rest of the conference holds substantially less value than those two properties. So if FSU and Clrmson hold about the same value why would the B12 now br able to add 560 million dollars? It's a wash.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV Why would they have to stay with ESPN? They have no obligation of they win the case or decide to pay the exit fee. Right now, FSU wants absolutely nothing to do with ESPN.
Josh do you honestly think that FSU would have filed this lawsuit if they had not already had “informal” talks with the B1G and/or SEC or have extreme confidence that they have a landing spot? Of course no one associated with the B1G or SEC is going to come out publicly and say anything because they don’t want to be sued. I just find it laughable that people out there are painting this narrative that FSU and Clemson decided to just blindly file suit against their own conference without knowing informally they had a landing spot. No one is going to do that
????? Anything for content.. move to the BIG12 from the ACC for what exactly
FSU and Clemson are not spending millions to litigate the ACC to end up in the Big12. Both AD’s would never be able to show their face in public again.
No, but FSU may be throwing a Hail Mary. If it fails, BIG12.
Josh is stirring up trouble 😳...i love it 😂
I've been thinking the ACC was dead in the water ever since FSU filed their lawsuit.
FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC. The big 10 already has more teams so the SEC would have the same if they go to SEC
UF has already blocked FSU from joining the SEC. It won't happen.
@@rvail136 Texas A&M tried to block Texas to the SEC but that didn't work out. It will be the same for Florida.
OSU unfortunately you’re correct. Its been leaked by a top CZcams personality ( an SEC troll) that FSU and Clemson are headed to SEC; with UNC and UVA to follow. Also there’s word of Duke, NC State, VTech, filing a lawsuit to prevent UNC from leaving. This is only a ploy to perhaps recieve partial shares as SEC members similar to the Big ten deal with UW, Oregon and Maryland.
@@booster222jc Yep your right on that plus I don't think the SEC wants the big10 in the state of florida so yeah they'll take FSU plus clemson to make it an even number.
They could have joined they chose the ACC. Bowden specifically said it was an easier path to getting to the championship and he was right. There's 16 teams now and Florida has 1 vote.
Super content!
To me it seems like there's too much noise around the acc imploding for me to believe its going to implode. Usually when these things happen they happen in the dark and then boom it comes out when the deal is done. Like when USC and ucla went to the big ten
Josh, I have been saying the exact same things about Brett Yormark to my friends as well. People need to really check his background and educate themselves. I am also rooting for the Big 12.
Interesting video. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens over the coming 12 months. Ultimately I don’t think the BIG 12 will be in play for the schools mentioned, but you start getting to the mid-tiers you better believe they are in play.
The only thing I disagree with Josh on is that the market, specifically the TV market, is not important as beer and soap ads are how the networks are getting all that money they are paying the SEC and B1G. Some of us saw this coming last year when people were saying the PAC still had a chance to stay together. Disney told ESPN to spend less money, so if they can get out of the ACC deal, they will, they certainly aren't giving them more money to stay together. The Big 12 stayed together because Fox said they wanted to maintain a presence in Texas and that is the only reason.
We are going to end up with 2 conferences of 24 teams, we may have an interim period of 2 power conferences with around 20 teams each and a lesser Big 12 with 20 or schools, but eventually Fox and Friends will have all their eggs in the B1G basket and ESPN will have all their eggs in the SEC basket and everyone else will be AAC level conferences.
Good take
They will both be in the B1G Ten
Highly doubtful that ESPN doesn't fight to keep one of it's biggest TV drawing assets to Fox without a major fight. I believe that Noles will be SEC bound in short time.
Funny analogy!!😅
I would love to see Texas A&M go back to the Big 12 or Big 10 along with FSU Clemson or NC
Didn't the ACC learn from the Pac12 and how the Big12 handled Texas and Oklahoma
Yes which is why they can’t leave, this is BS to how much more they could make in the SEC hypothetically. Shame on both these programs. The ACC is a Great and wonderful conference with real history better than the damn SEC( let’s see if the SEC dominates the 12 team, I don’t think so.)
@@ariankarimi95212 teams just makes it easier for the SEC to dominate
@@marthouismcmiller4787 it’s time for your southern a$$ to be Learned now. No great QB in the whole conference This year. Let’s see what Unfolds
Apparently not.
They better not let Brett Yormark cook
Had to Google that one
As a longtime fan of the Big East, I find it utterly humorous and ironic that the conference most guilty of destroying the Old Big East by stealing Syracuse Pitt and BC away from their natural rivals faces the same ignominious fate has me laughing on the inside!!
Brett is the man. If you let him cook, you better watch out.
Where would CUSE go? We have to find somewhere suitable.
That would be disappointing
If they add any more commercials to the actual game, they might as well just put up stills of the play highlight before returning to the next commercial.
FSU and Clemson are the most watched programs in the ACC. FSU is one of the top-watched programs in the nation. I think they will be fine leaving the ACC.
Unfortunately the B10/SEC will never allow those brands to get to the B12. They may not want to expand, but you can bet your life savings on the fact they'd expand to keep the B12 from landing those high profile brands, because in the long run those 2 are aiming to be the only game in town. We literally saw this already with Oregon and Washington. Just when rumors started picking up about them possibly looking toward the B12 because the B10 wanted to stand pat, boom the B10 suddenly finds room for them. So while it may be in the best interest of CFB in the long run, its just not gonna happen.
Wow, you're just figuring this out. I've been saying that the ACC is dead as a football conference since last December.
In contest, the BIG12 is already dead. That's Josh's ignorance.
Adding MSU is what finally Killed ACC
The Big 10 doesn't have ESPN. Look at Oklahoma and Texas. These two schools have way more prestige than any ACC team. If they have go from the Big 12 to the SEC to stay in the ESPN ecosystem then so are the ACC teams. FSU has been scared of the SEC since Bobby Bowden. It's not the Big 10's job to save FSU or any ACC team.
TEXAS has prestige. OK has a big football brand.
@@tarheel7406 You mean UT has pockets full of $$ and OU knows how to win
@@AnthonyG0123456789 Nope.... TEXAS is an elite, upper right original public ivy flagship with a blue revenue sport and is blue in overall sports. OK isn't.
Attaboy Josh...what a sneaky crazy steal it would be to plunder Miami and UNC. The two make very good sense...one for Hoops and one for Football.
Neither of the two are relevant in football. Miami ranks around 49th in attendance and 51st in viewership. They bring no value to any conference. Miami has received more money from the ACC than they have generated since joining the conference. UNC is also middle of the pack in attendance and viewership in football. So I'm not sure who you think makes sense for football. In football value per team, Clemson is 36% of the entire conference. FSU is around 23%. Between those those two programs, they are responsible for 59% of the value of the entire ACC in footbal.l
@LateKickwithJoshPate The $380M annual contract that the Big 12 signed was for 12 schools. The ESPN portion had automatic pro-rata provisions for up to 4 P5 schools. The Fox portion did not contractually stipulate support for pro-rata, but I think they agreed in the case of the 4 corners. In any case, $380M is not the correct value of the Big 12 contract for the current 16 schools. Assuming pro rata, that number is $505M.
This saddens me. And I'm complete SEC. It's hard to see all these changes leading to a good end result for the sport.
I think FSU + Clemson and others will go to the Independent conference for football only. Will stay in the ACC conference for other sports. Or 20 teams in the big 10 and big 12 , will have 10 teams in the south and 10 teams in the north or west and east. Big east should bring back football conference. Conference realignment will end in 2030s. Everything will settle down by then.
you don't get it that way. There's no school that's in two different conference listings anywhere. They all go or none do.
Everything's already been settled, P2 get in playoffs, everyone else is just a bye, spotfillers to eject P2 losses out of conference, No B12 will ever be allowed to enter playoffs. Even if undefeated, they will be shut out like G5 or FSU. That's what last year was all about in case you weren't paying attention....Only ND might get in by invite.
ANY notion that realignment is something in the future is folly. It's already occurred. What's in it for any SEC team to vote for the addition of CLEMFSU? SEC only worries about those teams if they have Heisman level QB'S . Otherwise, they're just an annoyance in recruiting battles, which will take care of itself by keeping them out of the P2. SEC would vote to take patsies like UNC/UVA if they need to balance numbers or scheduling.
Goodbye to college football if the ACC dissolves.
That's what they want. Nfl Jr, with just 2 conferences. They are destroying cfb.
Obviously the top tier ACC schools would likely have their pick of conferences.
If I’m the Big 12, I’m going all in on North Carolina and Duke. There is a niche for a top basketball league and solid football league.
Pairing Kansas, Arizona, North Carolina and Duke in a basketball conference would be a solid move
Look at the money. Basketball hasn't gotten the views football has over the last decade. Basketball is fading and baseball is quickly gaining ground on it, shockingly.
Good points...
I've been saying, we rarely hear anyone speak about the others sports when talking about Conference realignment and football teams. Some these Universities are basketball schools, not football schools and thus plays significant factors.
This is where Brian Kelly's comments come from, that and requiring non-revenue sports teams to travel the country like football teams.
@@trentwilson855 At the college level? Hell that is shocking at any level as baseball is agonising to watch. 😩
@@trentwilson855 let's say the big 12 gets north Carolina and Duke. Just humor me. Then the big 12 tell the ncaa to screw off and we are creating our own basketball tournament. We are selling the rights to the tournament to amazon for a billion dollars amazon would happily do that the big 12 tells the sec and big 10 come join our tournament. Then the big 12 starts making as much money as the sec is through thier tournament. 7:01
North Carolina goes to the Big Ten with someone else..
Loved Bret Yuckmark hanging Texas that b12 trophy!! His face said it all and full of embarrassment having talking big 😂😂😂
Jim Philips is incompetent
There was never going to be anything he could do. All what’s wrong with the ACC was already firmly in place before he took over.
It's not "well enough" if you are losing so much economic ground to your peers and rivals.
Poppa was a rollin stone too…
Adding those teams in general would make the big 12 more valuable of course not to the level of the SEC and the Big Ten but without a doubt there will be 100 million added to the value of the Big 12 which would increase each team's overall payout of course not to the size of the top two conferences but I'm sure it would be a lot more than what each conference the ACC and Big 12 can expect to receive right now
That would be krazy FSUy, NC,Mia In the Big 12 😢😢😂😂😂
Pate, This is a diluted video by your standards. FSU and Clemson and UNC (if they leave) will have their back room handshake deals ahead of time. Appreciate your work. Sorry I missed you at Savannah QB Club. I know it was 1st class.
The only expansion the Big10 is interested in any time soon is when Notre Dame figures out that the writing is on the wall and they're going to have to join a conference in football or they're not going to be able to play a competitive enough schedule to make the college football playoff. And if the ACC is cooked by that point, they'll be in the Big10 very very shortly. The only caveat will be that they will probably bring another team with them to maintain an even # of teams AND so they can preserve all their traditional rivals within the conference...and if you're doing the math in your head, the only traditional ND rival that is currently not in the Big10 as of now is...Stanford.
The thinking the last couple years is that ND is going to be forced to join a conference in football or there isn't going to be enough tv $ or a schedule out there for them to compete especially as these conferences grow and end up playing 9 or 10 league games and less and less non-con games. They've always banked on the ACC if it comes to that, like the COVID year. But the ACC may not be around. Could they tuck tail and go to the Big12? Yeah, but I doubt that will happen. I don't believe their pride, or $ would let them settle for the Big12 when they could get into the Big10 where all their rivals and a bigger slice of TV $ is - and, the key nobody talks about too, Marcus Freeman is a Big10 guy. And if they keep having winning seasons and recruiting well, and it looks like he may be content to stay there for quite some time, he is going to have a major voice inside their decision when it comes to joining a conference.
Outside of taking ND and their +1 (which is 90% likely to be Stanford), the Big10 doesn't view itself as a life raft for any of these other schools. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the Big10 and SEC don't want to take any of the ACC teams. Would they merge with the Big12?
I love good fiction. Good plot line in an imaginary story. Fox is paying the B1G a whopping $8b to broadcast its football games and it’s no longer 1984. In 2024, it’s all about the money. 💰 When the B1G added USC/UCLA it gave Fox entry into the lucrative California market and now Fox has their sights set firmly on the third largest state, Florida and, coupled with the fact that FSU is #7 in viewership (ND is #8) and is a national brand with three NC’s since ND last won one all the way back in 1989, makes FSU the top target 🎯. Viewership is the new currency of CFB and FSU is a cash machine.
OTOH, Stanford is so bad and worthless that no conference would take them but the desperate ACC. Remember, the B1G had the chance to add Stanford when they picked up the other two California schools and refused. What has changed since then? Nothing.
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Brett Yormark will offer ND a Acc type deal
I believe the big 12 will survive, no matter how many teams leave the conference because they’re going to sign the contract with Apple that the Pac 12 refused to sign, they know how to survive
I would like to see all 3 come to the SEC. Although, I'm not holding my breath.
Please let Brett Yormark have a couple more years and the Big12 will be Elite!
Would love to see the big12 take the best of the Acc
The ACC's goose was cooked when it chose (poorly) to expand into the Northeast, essentially throwing life preservers to meddling Big East football programs. How'd that work out for the conference's men's basketball prestige? When the dust settles, the most valuable brands will end up joining the Big Ten and SEC; those who missed the cut, while still offering strong markets, will join the Big 12. The leftovers will likely form a Group-of-Five caliber super-conference with the American, etc.
Dude they even passed up UCONN for Louisville when taking Big East teams 💀. Effectively traded 6 football wins a year for arguably the best basketball program in the country
@@jmakeswell153 According to Holden Thorp The ACC was already going to add Uconn. Uconns recent titles would have been either claimed in the ACC or suppressed by ACC teams. Works for the ACC either way.
But what happened? Guess who cried about adding another basketball school? FSU and Clemsom. So Louisville the was added instead. FSU can complain about a weak title came competition match-up all they want it was from the team they chose.
Brotha……big 12 cmon now
Lots of ACC teams running scared too, NC State just dropped App State as an out of conference opponent for.....Virginia.
I love college football and basketball. All this stuff is over my head. I like my teams and will be watching but what I want is a sense of finality when the season starts. But that ain’t gonna happen for a while
If Josh’s Alma Mater (UNC) would grow some nuts and join the FSU/Clemson party against the ACC things would move quicker. The UNC AD/Prez need to keep UNC as it’s priority and NOT the ACC.
So says Mr. Clean. Let the dominos fall.
I would think the B1G and Fox would love to have a southeast footprint.
You gave us no update instead just said what you’ve been saying the whole time about the ACC
Josh trying to scare the SEC and BigTen to move on the ACC. I love it.
UCF being in the B12 would be a deal breaker for FSU
Wouldn’t the money be the bigger deal breaker? Also wouldn’t that be no different than being in same conference as Miami or Florida
@@happynotredamefan3736 no it would be a lot different. I’d FSU joined the same conference as UCF it was be an acknowledge the there were 4 power schools.FSU would view this a ceding prestige and power in the state. FSU needs to keep little brother in the box. It’s not the same as Miami has been part of the big 3 in Florida longer than FSU. They are looking to keep the status quo in the state
You do realize that FSU was the little brother to Florida for many years right
@@roccj3023 yes but back then there were only 2 schools. There was room for one more. Florida is over saturated now with power schools. If Central Florida goes up someone goes down? It won’t be UF, so FSU has to ensure to isn’t them and that’s being in a power 2. UCF knows this and that’s why they are against USF going into the B12
The people who say that FSU/Clemson moving to the Big 12 wouldn't help are clueless and do not have an open mind. FSU/Clemson to the Big 12 increases the media deal likely around to 10 to 15 million more per school per year, taking money from the ACC deal, would allow the Big 12 to increase its conference network, and increase ad revenue and a higher cut of the CFP payout. That pulls the Big 12 to within 10 to 15 million per school vs the B1G/SEC pushing the Big 12 to also 100+ million per year.
The Big 10 and SEC are light years ahead of the Big 12😂 that’s why Texas and Oklahoma left to the SEC to make wayyyyyyyy more money😂
Sadly it would work, but it should navbar happen, the ACC is a great conference, let's let these guys play for a decade before more movement. This is out of control corruption, no judge will rule for them to leave, it would destroy 10 school.
Ask yourself if you have any intelligence, would FSU & Clem be making this much noise if they didn't already have a landing spot in the B1G or SEC? Why would they fight so much to join a lateral conference like the Big12?
@@cgiii2440 So tired of the big ten and SEC BS. Change on the horizon.
@@ariankarimi952 I don't like it either but if FSU & Clem want to continue to compete with Bama, UGA, OSU, Mich etc they can't stay in the ACC making $40m+ less per yr than those teams.
No it’s not. Best basketball conference in the country, it won’t crumble strength in numbers that’s why they just added cal, smu, and Stanford
Where have you been? Finally off that month long vacation? Jeez. Living the dream.
huh?
@@LateKickwithJoshPate Love you.
The moment the Acc added smu was the end.
Dude, research more before you post videos, media deals with the big 10 and sec get renegotiated when they invite new teams in.
Really bad premise put forth here... do you really think FSU and Clemson would be taking up these lawsuits if they didn't already have a signal from at least one of the P2 conferences that theyd be accepted?
FSU would. CLEMSON wouldn't.
@@tarheel7406 disagree... FSU certainly seems much more hell bent for leather to get out but they wouldn't be stupid enough to do this without a landing spot that they worked up through third-parties.
@@tomdubay2225 Think about it.... FSU's football is dead whether it waits out the ACC GOR or lands in the BIG12, so why not a Hail Mary and hope for a P2 invite? It's not an ACC founder. It's not that invested in an academic association, other sports, etc. The BIG12 is the worst case, but the risk is worth it from the FSU perspective.
In contrast, CLEMSON is a founder and much closer to the other founders. CLEMSON also is smart enough to know where it is in the priority list. As a result, CLEMSON has allied with UNC, which has agreed to a coattail to the SEC when it can and does move. So CLEMSON can remain in the ACC (which is better than the BIG12) during and after its litigation but has secured an SEC invite when UNC moves.
@@tarheel7406 I think both FSU and Clemson know where they're going as do UNC and Miami, although those last two are the second layer to what will occur in terms of moves but they would happen for the same football season (likely '26).
@@tomdubay2225 Nope... Most every (if not every) reporter and analyst have stated that UNC and UVA are the top expansion targets of both the SEC and B1G (ignoring ND). Accept that reality and then look at what FSU and CLEMSON are doing.
FSU has publicly stated that it has to get Tier 1 revenue by a certain date to remain competitive. That is an admission of desperation.
The SEC sees CLEMSON/FSU as disposable. The B1G would have preferred WASH/ORE stay in a surviving PAC (or even BIG12) until a later revisit, so FSU may be forced to simmer in the BIG12. The pivotal schools are ND, UVA & UNC. ND likely as secured the ACC only losing the 3 objectors and getting a renewal to cover the near future. UNC has agreed to go SEC with CLEMSON, but neither can move until UNC can. UVA is in limbo.
The B1G wants ND & UNC, so it may not expand again until UNC is either secured or lost ~or~ ND somehow breaks loose. It will always leave slots open for both until. FSU could just be hoping that the B1G will take just on the risk that the SEC may change its mind on same.
I’m just hoping the big 12 is perceived as weak and small because that leaves the big 12 an opportunity and strategic opening to come out of nowhere and leaves everyone with their jaws dropped and vulnerable.
Best case scenario for big 12 is they are allowed to ride SEC and Big 10 coattails.
Nah, you don't want that. Just means the CFP committee will subjectively choose to devalue the Big 12 and its members when it comes to selecting teams and who gets to compete for a title.
At least see if the ACC can get Maryland back, i work with the young man who has no memory of the Maryland Duke rivalry a maryland return would help a lot
See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable.
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
FSU and Clemson - as the premier football powers in the conference - have landed a fatal blow on the ACC. No matter what ends up transpiring with the litigations (and how long they take), it’s safe to say both will end up in the P2 and remain competitive power programs in the new world order.
On a related note, it is sad to watch the “Tobacco Road” heritage diminish before our very eyes. It’s truly one of the more unfortunate casualties of the evolving college football power structure. The harsh truth is that basketball and other revenue sports do not have the mass to counterbalance the remarkable and ever-growing value of college football. Programs like UNC, Duke, Kansas and others will in all likelihood take on tier 2 status in the coming P2 framework. While the P2 may end up accommodating some of these programs, they will only serve as chum to the alphas in both the SEC and B1G. What remains to be seen is how basketball and other sports fare within the coming landscape. The internal struggles and financial problems in Chapel Hill make this all the more evident.
The Tobacco Road schools have nobody to blame but themselves for their situations. The writing's been on the wall for over a decade...ALL of the future money was in football, yet those programs refused to invest.
Acc has become a basketball conference
FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12 would be a downgrade for both of them. They should stick out until the get a bid from SEC or Big 10
Clemson, FSU and UNC want to go to the PAC12 😂
Miami and FSU will be a package to SEC
Clemson to BIG12
Sucks!! I really enjoyed laughing at em over the years.
44 16 was a scream. Also , our players have to be able to read.
Now your gonna be the laughing stock😭
@xero402 Our 14-5 record against you bums is a scream, and also our natty count compared to you, bums! Nice try, though.....YOU BUM!
@BigH._.07 not luke you making such an ignorant post. BUM like the other guy. Must be your boyfriend or husband.
SEC homers: oh yay! We're expanding!
Also 1 year later: Oh why can't you be happy in the ACC making jack shit.
It's all about greed these days.
I would disagree with your premise a bit. It is in both the Big 10 and SEC's LONG-TERM interest to have a 3rd powerful conference. Even if the Conference is not as powerful as either. It will act as counter to either one of the other when there is a disagreement down the road.....which is bound to happen. Right now there is a kind of detente between the SEC and Big 10 but that is bound to not be the case forever.
It's hard for me to believe the big 10 wouldn't want to get into the Florida or Carolina market. But that is interesting to think about a third power conference could be good.
The ACC will survive, even if those teams leave. That's why they added Stanford, Cal and SMU. It'll be weaker, but it'll survive.
Respectfully, the ACC is cooked and Brett Yormark might be the chef
In context, the BIG12 has already been eaten.
Considerring everything going on I would love to see 3 24teem conferences. Each with 4- 6 team regionaly relevent divisions.
5 divional games, 6 non divisional conference games, so tha every three years you play everybody in the conferences. 16 team play-off with12 divional/(regional) champs+4 teamwildcard playoff division for the four best non divional champ teams. The conference championship included in playof. Every game matters. Each conference negotiates pay for there conference and conference championship game tv contracts. Conferences which place more wild card teams get more money. This restores regional rivalries, increases relevant games, without increasing number of games played. This could help with nil, transfer portal, watchability of games, andstabalize the sport that we love, without removing the things that made it great, or overlyburdanning players eith too many games or segragating to many teams out of the big picture. With 3 conferences the mony should be good. The group of 5 would need there own playoff.
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ACC hasn't been a "Power" conference in over a decade. A conference with a Power team, yes ..... a conference with more than one power team.year after year ...no.
True. Clemson football is 34% of the entire conference's value. FSU is second at 23%. Those two football programs make up 57% of the value.
the B1G and the SEC can't and don't want to take 12-15 more teams from another conference. 15 of the ACC teams have no other desirable options. Conference will survive.
Also, to the ESPN will drop them idiots, remember that ESPN needs content to fill there networks and new streaming platform. If they drop the ACC just because FSU and Clemson are in the Big 12, how does ESPN replace the ACC basketball content? With Sunbelt basketball? I know it doesn't move the needle like football, but it's content they need, none the less. If shitty content didn't matter, none of you would have a Netflix account!
FSU headed to the Big Ten not Big 12
Doubtful that ESPN doesn't fight to keep one of it's biggest TV drawing assets to Fox without a major fight. I believe that Noles will be SEC bound in short time.
😂🤣😂FSU staying in the ACC
FSU and Clemson come on over to the SEC
Exactly. So they can play a real schedule for the first time in their history.
As a Nole, we will go to SEC Big 10...period
~10% chance BIG12
Those programs about to go down hill fast lmfao.
Lol Big 12 should come to ACC and redo contracts
The Big Ten tv contract has built-in increases to it in the case of adding new members so that the current members don't lose money doing it. So that isn't a factor.
All that matters is whether the new addition adds enough revenue to pay for themselves to the networks.
With one exception, there's zero chance the Big Ten doesn't add North Carolina if they come available, no matter what the numbers for the networks or athletic programs say. They bring several hundreds of millions to the Big Ten collectve in other areas that have nothing to do with sports.
Well Wa/Or were added last year at half shares, but that wasn't anything that was built into the media deal. The only school listed in the B1G media deals escalation clause is Notre Dame. Any other school that's wants to be added would need Fox to bump up the media deal. Then they would need the conference school Presidents vote to expand. Now since Wa/Or only got half shares, they will have no interest adding other schools at higher shares than they are getting obviously and I'm going to assume the Cali schools would vote with them.
UNC is Nothing near what Stanford would bring if the B1G could get them to join the BTAA, Stanford said no, we're not giving up all our properties for football crumbs, and the rest is kinda history...well at least for now. ...Keep an eye on Notre Dame
First off, the only school named in the B1G media deals escalation clause is Notre Dame. Any other school would need Fox to bump up the current deal. The reason we know this, is because they just did it last year with Wa/Or and they got half shares till the next deal.
Don't expect anything more than that, because obviously both those schools and the Cali schools would vote no on anything higher than half shares. ACC schools might have better luck with the SEC/ESPN, but I wouldn't be surprised if they capped shares at half as well.
you might be right , but the way i see it their got to be a place for the lboys that can t play againist 340 lb lines..clemson ,flordia st .good in football north carlina basketball will it makea difference if their is no ACC .time will tell TIME PASSES ON..
The shame of it all is that from 2013-18 The ACC was the most dominant football conference. 3 nattys, two Heismans, so many individual award winners. LSU had an all time great team in 19 and then covid happened and we had post covid and now in 2023 the PAC and Big 10 was on top. Now we have a sport that wants to act like the ACC never existed let alone dominated. What trash. And the ACC admin is trash, knowingly letting the most valuable conference members be setup for failure.
Its. Just not really AAC call
If espn resigns that contrct to go thiught 2036 i dont think anyone leaveing
College football is a shrinking market, it’s just the consolidation of $$$ to a smaller amount of teams is happening at a faster pace.
Everything will settle down by 2028.. 20 team big 10 /sec is diluted.. ask soccer... There aren't unlimited funds out there.. fans will bring things back to earth..