The END of the Civic Type R..
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
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Well, definitely not the outcome we wanted, but it was the outcome we were handed. The Type R felt absolutely great during testing and i was driving great as well. Unexpectedly, the type r's engine blew up during the end of practice and we were unable to compete.
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It's always a bummer when stuff like this happens. BUT we all know you'll come back even better. Now, about building that engine....
Build, Race, Break, Repeat.
@@stevebusch465 a R shouldn’t be breaking at that power, and bent rods or headgasket are likely going to be tune related
@@kaleidoscope8914 agreed, Dustin listed possible causes like fuel starvation, previous blown turbo, and oil starvation. (could be an oil problem but I doubt it), but I believe it could be a tune related issue too.
@@stevebusch465 he didn't even get to race
@Kaleidoscope john over at FK8 tuning and development said that you can blow up a type r engine at 400hp when too much torque is requested and he is making type rs go 500+ on stock engines and everything works golden. Really believe is a tune issue cause engine shouldn’t blow up that easily. Also, Dustin is FBO, has upgraded fuel system and big turbo and they were only able to barely make 400hp. Really don’t know why but should be well over 400 easily.
Dude, You and Tim just can't catch a break! BUT like you said, Use this as fuel for what's to come next. Keep pushing Dut!
Fuel cut normal? Are you sure it's not VTEC cutting? My experience on track with road cars on high G corners are when the oil pressure drops, the VTEC system cuts out. So maybe try a sump baffle?
Sounds feasible, I don't know if duts got a baffle already?
Race,break, rebuild (should be the theme for your next drop) sucks to see the type R not finish the weekend. But I can’t wait to see the TYPE R V2 and it’s awesome to see the support of the fans. You deserve it Dut!!
Never the end. A new beginning is always around the corner.
You and Tim work so well together on the cars and what yous do is amazing people who love cars every where around the world much respect from New Zealand 🇳🇿 keep up the hard work
Should have brought up Power metrics has a history of blowing Si’s and Type r’s. Should have gone with Pherable, Red star or Fk8TD.
If you really want to learn from this, go back and rewatch your practice laps and pay attention to your RPMs. Def over revved the engine multiple times, too high of RPMs into turns, like dangerously close to redline and even passed over redline on corn exit acceleration. Rebuild the car, out learn some bad habits and try again 💪
Tuning is usually the main culprit. The K20c1 can handle more power than that and not grenade. You usually don't need to build the motor until over 500hp.
just overnight spoon engines from japan! jk, but yours and tims ability to never falter is your super power!
You, Tim, and the rest of the team really need to celebrate how far you've come, and roll out of this. Blood, sweat, oil and tears aside, watching this build and your training for this event has really put the FK8 into better light for me; I've been converted!
Reach out to JSR for an engine build!! They built some of the best engines for the FK8. They’re located in California too so you might be able to colab and watch them tear down your old block to see what failed and beef it up!!
Hope this channel gets to 1 mil so we could see a hako..
Why would you say hope.... Instead of "when"?
Gutted for you man all yours and Tim's hard work will pay off and you will come back bigger and stronger love your outlook and looks like you still had an awesome weekend head up bro 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Dut, I know you love the type R. But dude they just have too many problems. Not worth a track car imo.
@@Kooldood. No way you just said civics are unreliable
I would stop using OW20 in general. It'll help with the engine issues. But best of luck.
Hate to be that guy but you might wanna look for a new tuner. The type R’s motor CAN handle abuse. Either the previous owner did stuff before selling or the tune is just too aggressive.
I think it was the turner because even the last setup he had was only 350ish for a upgraded turbo was low thats fbo numbers i suggested redstar before but oh well
Been watching for months now and this video finally got me to comment. I was invested in the Type R. This hit me deeper than I thought. I was stoked to see your runs this weekend. Like you say build back better! And even though it might be cliche and nerdy I think back to Initial D. Bunta said that Takumi needed to learn to lose/fail to progress. And he did that at Irohazaka by...blowing his engine. Its something I always remember and took to heart. I can't wait to see the Type R 2.0!
If the stock oil pan isn't baffled, it's high probability that's where your oil starvation came from. I know it sucks. But it's apart of racing. Build it, race it, break it and do it all over again. But for sure look into a baffled oil pan. Good luck!
Loved the cinematography! i'm sure you guys will come back stronger!
I'm very sorry Dustin, seeing this breaks my heart as well because I've been following the TypeR build from the beginning, and seeing how hard you guys worked on it, I was really looking forward to see the car performs. In my culture, there's a saying, the materialistic things go so you don't, and depends on the year you were born, certain car colors that you drive also means prosperity and luck too. This might mean something to you or it might not but at least, you're safe and you'll still be able to restore the Type R. Keep your heads up, this might be a blessing in disguise, if you're interest in finding out which color works best for the year you were born, let me know haha. Anyway, I wish you good luck and health, don't let this bring you down
I suspect piece of the 1st aftermarket turbo definitely made it's way through the block. I was shocked when you guys didn't take more apart to ensure it was sound before putting the new turbo on. Somehow survived dyno day like that..
Yes, this exactly.
Seems like a tuner problem
@@angelhernandez-ln8ik Tuning the fk8 for power is easier said than done with these new direct-injection motors. Not a fan of the new direct-injection motors at all.. I am a Honda Tech and we deal with tons of blown up SI's and Type R's.. They are just not the most reliable engines for power increase.
Not sure if it's the turbo that blew or the tune that blew the motor, but I highly recommend three things - RV660 Turbo from RV6 - they're a good engineering company that took a lot of R&D and testing of their turbo that they just released.
I'd also see if you can get a tune done by Derek at IMW (Innovative Motorworks) -- he is the go to guy for almost every 10th gen turbo application and will get you squared away with a solid tune. For reference, he's the one that does most of the OTS maps that come with KTuners.
Baffled pan -- I'm sure you've got it on the way for sure!
Hope to see you back up and running again soon man, I'm glad you're back into a Type R after the first one
+1 to this big facts about RV6 and Derek being the goat for the Honda/Acura platforms.
I blame the powermetrics tune. Seen enough being in the 10th gen community from their tunes blowing shit left and right all they care about is limits and power. Derek balances everything like a god. Derek is the GOAT. IMW is the move no if and or buts about it.
@@jrizzyjoe Yep, heard the sameeee thing from many people. Their tunes blow rods, and gaskets.
Only up from here boss! Its an honor being part of the video and I’m pumped for what’s coming bro 🤙🏽
I know that had to be heartbreaking, but you and Tim definitely should be proud of what you've done so far. The car looked and performed amazingly until the motor gave. I can't wait to see all that's to come with you guys and the Type R!
Really respect what you do. Don’t want to blame anyone or any products but what ever you do next, really recommend getting tuned by John over at FK8 tuning and development.Type r community really respects him for what he does and his knowledge. But do your research first and find out what happened. Much love from a fellow type r owner🤞
Everything happens for a reason bro.. at least now you have a future plan to build it. Make sure you fully built the engine. And have endless fun. Yes it cost more but long term its for the better
Sorry to see you go through this. For the rebuild of the engine, you should check out installing a Unit2 fabrication baffled oil pan to help prevent oil starvation.
Need a new tuner I abused my fk8 every day, motors are very strong
This is definitely a good learning opportunity. I spun a rod bearing on my 05 Subaru years back. I know the pain. You’ll do great! Keep up the content!
Tests like this make us all stronger bro. Rebuild the type r bro. Move forward. 👌
Just here to appreciate Tim.
We see you and your hard work Tim, you don’t go unnoticed! Keep working hard man, you’re awesome.
Dustin, don’t give up. Everyone successful has failed numerous times. Keep on keepin on bud! 👍🏼
After everything Dut keeps a big smile on his face and that means the world to us 🙏🏻
Bro at the end of the day you showed up to prove to yourself that you could do it. Despite the results you still made it on time and set a great lap. You always have my support. Thanks for being such a great guy!
The resilience you keep showing in these kinds of situations and the way you are able to see through the negative with a positive is truly inspirational.
My dad recently blew up his 1k hp 8th gen Civic Si. Just cruising at 25 mph and it let go for some reason. It really sucks but now its on to bigger and better things. Sucks that you had to go through that at a 3 day event man. Bounce back!
Oh man, after seeing what happened on IG i almost didn’t want to watch it but well made and beautiful video even with the sad ending! We know it’ll be back next time! Hopefully a bigger or better engine will have it back better then ever!
I’m so sorry brother. Keep your heads held high. Like you said use it to make you better , the car better and the team better. You will be back and it will be better than ever just like you always do.
Sorry to hear about the engine. The car looked so good, the yellow headlights looked wicked! I know next year will be another story, look fwd 2 it!
I understand the frustration but there's only one thing to cure the disappointment...Just keep going. you'll eventually get it perfected. That's the reward. Just don't go for crazy numbers...that's always the temptation.
Heat, that's the worst enemy for any Type R that is tracked . Don't rely on the oem temp gauge ,it's far from being reliable on the track . Benn fighting temp issues myself since I started tracking it !
Regardless of what I'm about to see in this video, I hope you had a great time dut. These experiences a made to be conquered. Keep going man.
Sucks when cars breakdown without warning.... especially when you need them to run flawlessly! When you checked everything. I feel you man. I had my alternator, thermostat and battery leaks, electrical failures all within 3 days when we're about to go on a family trip. Just unpredictable..
Sorry this happened to you guys, no doubt it's a solid gut punch. That said I'm looking forward to the new Bionic version of the CTR you guys will build. You guys got this bro 👊🏼
Sad news but knowing that u will always come back as strong as always! Also might bring a second car together in case same thing happen next year finger cross!
Keep your head up. Both did great and that lap time was really good. Its sad the way things turned. We will be here to support you 💪
In my opinion, 10w30 vr1 is not enough thick for track usage...even running an oli cooler...a -w40 would have been better for sure
I love what you said.. Fail fast which I am absolutely certain you will do! Love the mentality even though I know it’s crushing i can’t wait to see it back better than before!
Rebuild, port and CC the head , aftermarket rods, big inspection of the oil pump
I feel you man. Blew my 400whp WRX on track last year in the middle of my session. Only thing to do is to build it back stronger and make a come back
Dustin don’t give up you still have a chance next year and don’t pressure yourself about the car
You guys should absolutely be proud! Please don’t give up on the FK8, it’s such an amazing platform. Go back to the drawing board and get that motor built. Y’all will come back 1000X better.
Clearly caused by the tuner with all that knock from the last tune.
Dang man that's unfortunate but u look so DOMINATING on the track! Keep pushing bro u will hit ur peak when the time is right
Awesome video as always Dustin. Things happen parts brake all you can do is keep moving forward and come back stronger next year.
was so cool seeing the CTR in person!! Some of my favorite cars were the 720s gt3, the white trans am, r35 with the crazy aero, and the r32 that caught on fire (rip)
I’m so sorry that happened shit sucks but now it’s time to go forged internals and make even more power and come back stronger
You guys worked really hard sorry it didn't go as planned. I'm thinking what probably happened was the oil was probably sloshing to much to the sides while taking those corners. Dry sump might be a very good investment for the next engine build. Best of luck guys!
Don’t let the set back drag you down. Step back, process it, and come back better than before.
Was really bummed I didn’t get to see you race, but you got to commentate with the SLB team. You will bounce back and kill it next year dude. Keep your head up Dut!! You have to come back next year and go after Jepps record.
you cant succeed without failure, Soak it up, use it to drive your passion, comeback and kick ass!
As a Mississippi boy myself it makes me proud y’all are pushing for your dreams. Keep on keeping on is all you can do.
You’re a legend dustin! Look at where this channel started and where you are now. I have no doubt in my mind that you’ll bounce back stronger from this minor set back. This is just a part of your history now 🤘🏼
Sooner or later, this happens all the time. Its a norm and a risk to take! so dont give up. Race ,Track, Blown ,Rebuild!
Build new engine (rods and pistons), upgrade low pressure fuel system (swirl pot, etc.), and change tuners (remote tune w/Derek Robinson at IMW).
Hope you can do the next event with this car man. Can you pls try thicker oil like a 20w60, you run all the time in a high Rev range and the oil gets really thin. With the 20w60 or 10w60 you will have a thicker oil on high Temps so it protects the bearings on your car. Love your content keep pushing
This made me sad bro I’m sorry this happened but keep your head up 🙏🏼
Nothing rewarding comes easy! Keep pushing forward! This hobby/sport can really make you question things. But at the end of the day its all apart of the process and learning from it! Need to look into a baffled oil pan, learn from it and push! Keep at it
Just a tad over 5000 miles from Cota, across the ocean I was so bummed for you and Tim when I saw that you were looking for a new engine! It is commendable how you and tim switched gears and started looking for possible solutions. I'm sorry they did not work out for you. While it ran the Type-R looked mean and sounded even meaner! I for one am looking forward to seeing her back on track in the future. Goodluck with the rebuild! This weekends happenings are the stuff of origin stories. The Legend of the Type-R hopefully has many pages yet to be written!
Sucks to blow an engine... but rather find out during practice, then in the middle of the race and getting into a serious accident while at full throttle. Also lesson learned, while running practices, datalog. Its incredibly invaluable.
Bro you need a new Tuner it's the second time I see a car tune for that guy that blow the motor in the middle of track session
Yup! Ik 3 si’s and 1 R that’s blown with them. Don’t trust them one bit
No hate to them but that's Motor's and Turbos are cheap
@@xl9295 yeah they add up real quick, plus time spent down.
One thing that has always stuck with me...if it was easy everyone would be doing it. Stay up Brodie, get right back to the drawing board and snap back better then ever!
I always love your videos bro, even through this time of an unfortunate event I still see and feel the love and passion you bring out in the world. I believe you and Tim will achieve greatness, and with all the people that surrounds and supports you i know you can do it . Keep it up bro!!!👍🏽
You have a great attitude and mentality. You'll be back better than before.
Bolt ons are great and all but the foundation (Motor) is what matters most. Bigger turbo and big boy tune on a stock top and bottom end… it was only a matter of time brotha. Now lets see that rebuild babay💪 KEEP YOUR CHIN UP😎
Tough times don't last brother, only tough ppl do !! CtR will be back stronger than ever I'm sure of it. #burnrubberNotyoursoul 🤙
It hurt just watching this, let alone what you had to be feeling. Before it conked out though it was looking very, very fast.
You will come back even stronger. Too much passion and talent to be denied.
When tuning to the edge and run it at high intensity track, this tends to happen. There is specific tuning mapping for track use
Been in there with my rb26 ended up just keeping the head and send the rest to trash can. Ordered new block from Japan and started over again. Hope you come back even stronger.
It reminds me of when your WRX got smoked on the road man. Now look where you’re at. Allow it to be a slingshot for yourself. Allow yourself to fall back but only to send yourself forward.
As I said on ig, it's time to find one single legit tuner for all of yours cars, this cycle of different tuners has cost you part of 3 motors in last year or so. Not even hating, but you don't see most guys cycling thru different tuners
Great work by everyone 👏. Rebuild and roll on the next race. Hope you can save some of the oil cooling system and turbo. You could fit a swirl pot for the fuel as well. Take care
You guys are constantly fighting an uphill battle! But think of it this way. You guys are gonna learn how to prepare and compete much faster!
Don’t beat yourself up Dustin! To me what this incident means is that you are capable of much more than the engine can handle and you should remember that.
I discovered your channel few weeks ago and I’ve binge watched your videos from 2022. Even during that short time I can see how much you improved and how serious you are about track racing. You and Tim make a fantastic team and the only way is up!
Tough break :( Keep your heads up and keep pushing ahead. Let this be an excuse to build a sicker motor!
Hey dude, better luck next time. It’s always a pleasure to see a video like this. Keep up the good work like you said, learn from the mistakes take in and get better for the next one.
Thank you for continuing to be such an inspiration. I get emotional when you talk about growth and that mindset when struggle tries to overpower us. Thank you for being you!
Sorry to hear about this. As someone who has experienced this more times than i can admit, it does gives you the fuel to carry on and come back better.... (after some mourning and some beers lol)
Look into adding just a bit more oil to engine to compensate for the cooler, lines, and extra G forces during cornering. All it takes is got a few good turns where the pump sucks air pockets, and with the engine speed temps, is easy to FUBAR the bearings which brings you to this. To me this sounds like oil starvation.
not sure how you stay so positive, i would have been destroyed. Props man you will be back for sure! definitely such an amazing influence.
Watching the build and creating a personal connection to it (as I’m a fk8 owner too) this hurt me to see it go this way. Like most of the comments here and what you said, only the beginning and excited to see what’s coming next.
Looks like you have been lifting hard in the gym, looking pretty stacked in that shirt Dut. So sorry to see your engine had some internal failure. Sounds like rod knock or piston slap. I know the feeling of needing and engine rebuild. My RB26 had issues as well and is in the process of a rebuild. Feeling frustrated and disappointed as the same time, not to mention the financial aspect and added stress to figure out how to fix everything. Your footage was very cinematic. Not sure if you switched to SLOG, codec, but man video quality was amazing, plus the editing and music was spot on. Great work , love this content, keep it coming.🔥
Unfortunately, it's the tune that "send it tune" that probably caused this. Not to shame that shop that tunes it, but i've heard some things from other GenX owners regarding their tunes.
Great practice session!! GT3 next year???? That would be the jam.
I would review my whole build process because this seems to be happening a lot. Is it just a bad tune or a problem in the builds? A bad tune can ruin all your hard work.
I have a feeling it’s a bad tune. Cause the guy that tuned his ctr he had a SI and he also got rod knock also.. just seems like a coincidence
@@Solefresh10 This is a super common problem in these new direct-injection motors. They are hard to tune, and not super reliable for hard driving and power increases. I am a Honda Tech and we deal with a ton of blown up SI's and Type R's. Many times with very light power increases.
Dang man hope you get it back up better than before!
Beyond gutted for you and Tim - but I’m really interested to see what you find as a cause - that’s the realest part. I am thinking of buying anFK8 for daily plus track days but watching your struggles with the platform is making me rethink… good luck with the rebuild Dut 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Gutted for you Dustin you and Tim worked so hard for this and the car was doing great that’s racing tho things happen bigger stronger and better next time
Not a Fan of the K20c1.. I am a Honda Tech and these newer direct-injection motors are just nowhere near as reliable for power as the older port-injection Honda engines.. We deal with SOOO many blown up new SI's and Type R's.. And many times, just lightly modified with minimal power increases. Ive been talking about k24-swapping my fk8 now for like 3 years lol. I will make it happen one day!
Welcome to Austin! It was nice seeing the type r rip on cota! Sorry to hear about what happened but I'm sure you will build it back better and stronger than before!
Dustin... Sorry that you couldn't race, but take it as type r saved you from having a bad day like wreck during the race... You are more important than the car or the race.... I like how thankful you are even when car gave up before the race.... I like to think that the car knew something worse was about to happen so.... Like you said, it aint your first rodeo.... Cant wait to see you next year better then ever... Always proud of you Dustin, and your Legend team
It's a shame what happened but you have an amazing spirit, at least you can probably just throw in a new engine and away you go.
One thing I can say as a total amateur is I notice you turn in a bit early, make the most out of the entry and the exit,
Anyway i can't wait to see you back out there man.
So sorry for this! That fail-forward mindset is 👌🔑 and will allow you to come back even stronger and better. We can't control random events, but we can control our responses. Good responses = good outcomes. I'm excited about what's to come in your future. That 1M is on the horizon!!!