The best thing about the Speed Twin other than the superb brakes and handling (it should handle - it's a naked Thruxton!) is the bike feels faster than it actually is - a rare commodity in modern vehicles - you actually get a buzz without having to fly about buried well into triple figures like on many modern bikes. Thrills without jeopardising your licence at every turn.
I'm convinced... this Speed Twin is the perfect road play bike. Its powerful enough to be fast, without being ridiculous. It has beef where it counts, in braking, handling and feel. Plus, it doesn't have that go-fast, here I am, give me a ticket look to it ... just mild mannered retro 😉
@@bikerwilli9130 You think 🤣 .. I have an older Victory Cross Country(that's still rock solid). I decided to send the forks to Traxxion Dynamics for their AK-20 cartridges and add a Penske shock. I had the engine professionally retuned last year, at 75k mile it runs like new. I might as well give it some fresh legs and it'll be my road bike for a few more years.
It is an awesome bike!! I’ve bought it on 8th of Oct’21, and Odo is 16,122 km now, done with first Annual service last week. Nothing much to complain about this bike but the seat. I’ve added a back rest (local made) for pillion comfort.
I took one out for a morning whilst my bike was in for service. What a blast! The ultimate back lane scratcher! Everything about it was in perfect harmony, brakes, power, handling and that sound! I loved every minute of it, it just seemed to be saying “is that all you’ve got? Faster!” The essence of what biking is all about and a proper Q bike, it’s got to be a well ridden sports bike to take one of these and then there’s no plaudits for the other biker, he’s managed to keep with an old retro bike, so what! No it’s not an ideal touring bike, and no the motorway or autobahn is not it’s hunting ground. But for sheer biking pleasure it’s hard to beat. Try one and instantly become 10 years younger!
Nice review, and riding! I've got a 2020 Speed Twin, just turned 7k miles on the clock, and ride 90% of the time on Angeles Crest Highway since I'm 2 miles away. I agree with you the Speed Twins really are a capable bike in the twisties.
Love the bar end mirrors. Generally not a fan of those but that set looks sharp. Love the exhaust note too. Looks like the near-perfect bike for those mountain roads.
Yeah, those are stick Everything so far is stock other than swapping out the headlight bulb for an LED one. The stock exhaust sounds brilliant, I don't really feel a need to upgrade it...
At 5'5", I'm happy to have a bike that will be a good fit for me. I rode Harleys - a few Softails, Road King, a custom one-off frame-up S&S stroker softail styled something like a Fat Boy, an Electra Glide, and in the beginning a Yamaha and a Honda. I'm psyched to have real brakes and handling.
Interesting how i discovered your channel because you were riding the Z900RS and i was hella into that bike. Then i really jived with your saturday morning chats on politicsc, life, etc… then i didnt watch much for a while, got really into Triumph, bought my first bike (2019 Triumph Street Twin) and came back to your channel with you being a Triumph guy.
I am like a chameleon... always changing. haha I have always ben a Triumph fan, this is my... 6th? My wife has had 4 I think... Gonna do a little politics this weekend I think, might record it tomorrow to post for Saturday...
I have a 2022 too. It's a pony with a punch. Deceivingly docile, but takes no prisoners when you yank that throttle. It does vibrate quite a bit when you get to 3k.
Thank you for the video. What a great road. Some things resonated with me here. I bought a 2019 new. My tar snakes and your tar snakes are not the same. Mine run in long longitudinal lines to my path and at corner exit the bike squirms and wiggles just enough to let you know what's going on but never enough to unsettle it. For a Bonneville the chassis is outstanding. If you pin the throttle open long enough and tuck real tight I have seen an indicated 135MPH. My bike has a cat delete and GP shorty pro cans and while loud, sounds lovely. Been riding for 30 years and would have bought a Harley if they made a bike that handles. These really are special bikes.
yeah, I do love the bike. Just fitted new tires today, gonna test them out tomorrow. 135 on this bike would be scary, while at the same time being slower than my other bike does in 3rd gear. haha
And if you want a Harley that handles, take out the Pan American. 150hp of liquid cooled goodness, with traction and ABS and ride modes, proper suspension, I think it has Brembo's and you can option in a quickshifter.
I bought one of these and have added soft canvas bags. One thing I'm not happy with, might seem petty, but the gas cap sucks. It's gotta go. I have a 2007 BMWR1200GS for longer trips but for short trips back and forth to work or around town I really prefer this. The seat is fine I think but I'll eventually replace it with a brown leather cross-stitched version.
Great video! And so pleased to see that I was wrong on the suspension, although CZcams is littered with guys getting Yss/Ktech/Ohlins etcfor the Speed Twin. Looking forward to seeing this story develop. Ride safe! 😁😁😁
Great bike. Owned a Z900RS, kinda regret selling it. Went a bit back and forth with different bikes, now own a Harley Fat Boy and a BMW r1250r. Owned a Bobber too, still looks amazing but wasn't good for me (comfort). Might consider swapping the BMW for the Triumph simply because I like to own a retro-style sportsbike. The BMW is the best bike I ever owned but can't say it's a looker.
I was between this and the Z900rs Cafe both are beautiful machines. I went for the Z900rs instead but I agreed the triumph has better components stock. The Z you have to upgrade some parts.
That road surface looks buttery smooth...., I found the stock rear suspension severely lacking on the bumps, huge 'poggo' effect. Changed to YSS on the rear and now the rear matches the front....
I have the 2020ST too, I've had bikes all over the spectrum. I'm so in love with my speed twin. Storage an issue but for me it just tickles all the right spots. I want to make some upgrades but dang I look forward to my time with her. Safe rides
Nice video, I like many was deciding between the Speed Twin and the Z900RS. Ultimately I chose the Triumph as felt it handles better and has a bit more attitude.
I've done 27 mods including the ones you mentioned except ECU flash, and the kawi 900 just isn't as good. I dropped the oil after two 30min. heat cycles for fully synthetic. Anxious to unlock the power of the mods I've done with an ECU tune.
I never rode it unmapped. But I did ride the Bobber 1200 in the background, both unflashed and then flashed, and you feel it. The stock map never delivers more than 91% power, and at 6,000rpm it pulls back to 84%. Now it delivers 100% all the way to redline, so it pulls nice and clean and you don't feel it tapering off after 6000 like the stock bike does...
Finally a reviewer who knows how to ride and isn't on some wet English lane. My trigger finger is itchy about buying one of these this year if there is a 2023 model. It looks like you are riding "very spirited" but not flat out. Did you notice any brake fade? Do the pegs scrape? How is riding at night? Does it really need the LED upgrade? OK, it looks like you don't reply to comments. NP. Anyway I might just watch this video of yours whenever I feel the need for speed and save myself $15K. Thanks for the excellent upload.
I reply to most comments when a question is asked. If its just commenting, sometimes... I haven't gone all out on it yet. I recently upgraded the shocks to Ohlins, but now I am waiting on K-Tech springs and new cartridges and stuff to get the forks to where they need to be. Haven't felt any brake fade, they are really nice brakes... Wore out the stock tires in just under 2k miles so I installed a set of Michelin Road 6's and am loving them so far... No pegs scraping, but I hang off the bike a lot, so that I don't have to lean as hard into the turn as some folks do...
Dude, don't do this to me, I'm about to pickup a new 2023 Striple RS (the black and bronze one). The only other bikes I'm interested in are this Speed Twin and the Hypermotard 950
The Striple RS is the best all around sportbike on the road today. If you want a sportbike that's still comfy and don't care about the whole retro thing, get that. The Hypermotard is a great bike, but that dirtbike seat will have you hating life after a couple hours...
@@SquireSCA haha, yes the HMT is for one hour blasts on back roads only. If the Striple is the best sport bike (in that it is also a superb track bike), then what is the best purely road-focused sport bike? The Supersport 950S ?
Yeh, you just couldn't resist the *Alure* of the Triumph yet again Dave, but I'm guessing it won't be in the stable very long "you do have a track record for a quick turnaround" 😄
Great information! I wonder how this would compare to the new Z900RS SE since it corrects most of the things you didn't like about the standard Z900RS.
That would be a tough call... Similar cost, but with comparable suspension and brakes... The Z900RS would still be heavier feeling, but it would pack a bit more punch. The Triumph would still feel more nimble, but that would be a really hard choice... Both bikes offer retro cool, with enough performance to be fun...
@@SquireSCA I'm just think if both were stock which would be better. The Z900RS SE would be heavier and less nimble because of it, but the Street Twin has less power and less stable steering. I guess at that point it's nit picky things to edge one above the other.
Hi, I saw in your video that you also have/ride a Triumph Bobber. I currently also ride a Triumph Bobber but I would like to upgrade to a Speed Twin 1200. I now wonder if that wouldn't suddenly not be too heavy because the Speed Twin has much more horsepower and torque. what do you think about this.
They weigh close to the same, but the Speed Twin makes a good bit more power, but its not like you are jumping onto a Busa or something... The bigger difference is the seating position, ground clearance, braking and handling... It all comes down to what kind of riding you do?
@@smolbodybuilder1602 Verbal typo. I was pointing to my ZX14R and said ZX10. But yeah, the ZX14R is more comfortable. Better wind protection, much nicer seat, bike is more stable and smooth... and makes more than twice the power... I try to do my videos off the cuff, no script and in one take, so I can spend more time riding and less time in the editing room, so some of those verbal types slip through the cracks. haha
Yah, the bike doesn't pack the top end punch that the inline 4's do, but it has gobs of fat, lazy torque everywhere... It doesn't FEEL as fast, until you look down at the speedo...
No, they didnt have any in stock. I called over to Freewheeling in Douglasville, bought it over the phone and they delivered it to my house the next day. Super easy process.
@@SquireSCA I've had a Rocket 3 serviced at Freewheeling. Good people, as are T-Roswell. I'll be leading a ride (maybe 5 riders, mainly Multistrada's) on Sat taking in Wolf Pen & Richie B. We should be at TW around 10 - you're welcome to tag along if you're out on the bike, the ride will end at Chevron Cumming/400SB.
@@RichDunn I might be able to make that. Let me see during the week, and weather permitting I might meet you at TW around 10. Not sure what bike I will bring, but I will let you know so you can look for me when I roll in.
Hey man, I will plan to meet you up at TWO as close to 10am as I can. Give or take a few minutes, basically. WHich way are you going up? If you are going up 400, then would you prefer to meet at that CHevron or somewhere near there, and meet earlier than TWO?
Dude, you're wrong to compare a 4 cyclinder to to a 2 cylinder. You're comparing apples to oranges. How do you not know that a twin vs a four are totally different? If people just want speed they get a 4, if you want something different, you get a twin. How do you not know this? It's baffling. Oh now you're comparing a ZX-10?!? You don't know anything about bikes.
What are you babbling about? I have owned just about every bike you can name. Ridden them hundreds of thousands of miles on street and track. 32 bikes for me, and I think another 11 for my wife. Twins, triples, I4's... Honda, Ducati, Aprilia, KTM, Triumph, Yamaha, Kawi and even a Harley. It's not wrong to compare the two, if the comparison IS the topic, ya knucklehead... lol Two bikes that get compared a lot, are the Z900RS, and the Speed Twin. Another is the Yamaha XSR900. Why? Because they are three different takes on a similar idea. A modern sportbike in retro clothing. All three do it a little differently. I have owned, and tracked the Z900RS, and now I have the Speed Twin. Who better to compare those two, than someone who has personally owned and ridden both? I do know that they are different, hence the comparison on HOW they are different? LOL I think that it is you son, that is new to this topic, not I... ;-)
Rewatching it... I mean, I am literally telling you what's different and why, due to the extra cylinders and rev limit, etc... It's the point of that part of the discussion, because it's one of the most common questions that I get... "How does the new Speed Twin compare to your Z900RS?"... So I explain it, and how and why they are different, and where I feel each one has an edge. If you can't keep up with a simple conversation like that, maybe this is a "you" problem? Or are you a fanboy of one bike or the other, and my critique struck a nerve? The reality is that I have probably forgotten more about bikes, then you will ever learn about bikes. Fact.
Plenty of fast twins out there, yes 4s tend to have more top-end power (piston speed is the limiting factor with any engine and the shorter the stroke the harder you can rev it - which is why 4 pots tend to make more power) but a v-twin KTM 1290 Super Duke R makes pretty-much as much power as the first gen Hayabusa - is that not fast enough? Modern sportsbikes make TOO much power and have to be electronically limited in the first few gears - what's the point of that?
@@LondonSteveLee Yeah, I guess he never heard of Ducati L-Twins. Ducati won more World Superbike titles on twins, than all other manufacturers did with I4's, combined, up to a few years ago with Aprilia started racking up wins with their V4, and then Kawasaki started winning. Prior to like 2010, Ducati absolutely dominated with 2 cylinder bikes in a field of inline 4's... The guy doesn't know anything, hence why he ran away. lol I would encourage him to ride a Panigale 1299 and then come tell me how it doesn;'t compare to 4 cyl bikes. haha
Horsepower. It has a lot of power up there. Peak HP is at 7250rpm. You might want to check your facts, son... Tq almost always peaks WAY before peak HP does.
Ahem... Peak tq is at 4200rpm, but it stays flat and near peak for a long time, and only tapers off at the end. But if you look at the HP between 5k-7k, it's substantial. If you are shifting at 4200rpm, you are missing literally 50% of the horsepower... Don't be that guy because you don';t understand how a motor works. lol www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/triumph/2022-triumph-speed-twin-review.html/attachment/081621-2022-triumph-speed-twin-hp-torque-dyno
@@SquireSCA Well "son" I'm older than you, have a degree in mechanical engineering and I've been building and tuning motors for 45 years. In the video It sounds like You state torque comes in stronger at between 5000 and 7000 rpm. Your words not mine "you've got good torque in here but its not until between 5000 and 7000 when it really picks up" In reality what you're talking about is that just a midge over 5000rpm (around 5250 to be more accurate) is where HP has taken over from the torque. Yes, it has a pretty linear torque curve but fact is torque peaks at around 4300rpm and slowly tails off. Probably just the way you say it in the video that comes across as a little misleading. Torque/acceleration HP/top end speed. 5000 to 7500 is reliant on HP not so much torque...son.
@midas61 That's the equivalent of a verbal typo, try not to be pedantic. lol I don't script these out, so one thought sort of bleeds into the other. The Bobber in the background has more oomph(technical term) off the bottom... The Speed Twin has less, but it has much more steam from 5-7k... When you look at the dyno chart, the HP kinda takes off at that point and that's where your "fun zone" is... At the end of the day, its the drive that you feel that I am describing. HP isn't actually a thing anyway, right? Torque is, and HP is just a calculation based off of that and RPM. The way my tuner always explained it is torque is the weight of the hammer that you use to do work. RPM is how many times you swing the hammer. HP, is how much work gets done as a result. You can have a Harley, which is a sledge hammer... you don't have to swing it that many times per minute to reduce a rock to rubble... An R6 is like a ball peen hammer, but you can swing it at an incredible rate and so you apply its smaller force, many more times in that same unit of time, and you can reduce the rock to rubble that way...
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The best thing about the Speed Twin other than the superb brakes and handling (it should handle - it's a naked Thruxton!) is the bike feels faster than it actually is - a rare commodity in modern vehicles - you actually get a buzz without having to fly about buried well into triple figures like on many modern bikes. Thrills without jeopardising your licence at every turn.
I'm convinced... this Speed Twin is the perfect road play bike. Its powerful enough to be fast, without being ridiculous. It has beef where it counts, in braking, handling and feel. Plus, it doesn't have that go-fast, here I am, give me a ticket look to it ... just mild mannered retro 😉
wonderful modern retro
@@bikerwilli9130 I'm sure it would be, but I ended up buying another enduro bike. Being in the woods, keeps me out of trouble ...
@@painsrides3616 to each his own - in the forest an enduro is certainly better :))
@@bikerwilli9130 You think 🤣
.. I have an older Victory Cross Country(that's still rock solid). I decided to send the forks to Traxxion Dynamics for their AK-20 cartridges and add a Penske shock. I had the engine professionally retuned last year, at 75k mile it runs like new. I might as well give it some fresh legs and it'll be my road bike for a few more years.
It is an awesome bike!! I’ve bought it on 8th of Oct’21, and Odo is 16,122 km now, done with first Annual service last week. Nothing much to complain about this bike but the seat. I’ve added a back rest (local made) for pillion comfort.
Yeah, I am gonna research seats this week
I took one out for a morning whilst my bike was in for service. What a blast! The ultimate back lane scratcher! Everything about it was in perfect harmony, brakes, power, handling and that sound! I loved every minute of it, it just seemed to be saying “is that all you’ve got? Faster!”
The essence of what biking is all about and a proper Q bike, it’s got to be a well ridden sports bike to take one of these and then there’s no plaudits for the other biker, he’s managed to keep with an old retro bike, so what! No it’s not an ideal touring bike, and no the motorway or autobahn is not it’s hunting ground. But for sheer biking pleasure it’s hard to beat. Try one and instantly become 10 years younger!
Nice review, and riding!
I've got a 2020 Speed Twin, just turned 7k miles on the clock, and ride 90% of the time on Angeles Crest Highway since I'm 2 miles away. I agree with you the Speed Twins really are a capable bike in the twisties.
Great engine sound. Hell of allot more comfortable then a sport bike with clip on handlebars plus it has great looks.
Its gotten better and better with my tuning, X-pipe, Ohlins shocks, K-Tech forks, etc... But honestly, my ZX14R is actually more comfortable.
Love the bar end mirrors. Generally not a fan of those but that set looks sharp. Love the exhaust note too. Looks like the near-perfect bike for those mountain roads.
Yeah, those are stick Everything so far is stock other than swapping out the headlight bulb for an LED one. The stock exhaust sounds brilliant, I don't really feel a need to upgrade it...
At 5'5", I'm happy to have a bike that will be a good fit for me. I rode Harleys - a few Softails, Road King, a custom one-off frame-up S&S stroker softail styled something like a Fat Boy, an Electra Glide, and in the beginning a Yamaha and a Honda.
I'm psyched to have real brakes and handling.
Interesting how i discovered your channel because you were riding the Z900RS and i was hella into that bike. Then i really jived with your saturday morning chats on politicsc, life, etc… then i didnt watch much for a while, got really into Triumph, bought my first bike (2019 Triumph Street Twin) and came back to your channel with you being a Triumph guy.
I am like a chameleon... always changing. haha
I have always ben a Triumph fan, this is my... 6th? My wife has had 4 I think...
Gonna do a little politics this weekend I think, might record it tomorrow to post for Saturday...
I have a 2022 too. It's a pony with a punch. Deceivingly docile, but takes no prisoners when you yank that throttle. It does vibrate quite a bit when you get to 3k.
I am rarely at 3k... Spend most of my time in the 4500-7500 range...
Thank you for the video. What a great road. Some things resonated with me here. I bought a 2019 new. My tar snakes and your tar snakes are not the same. Mine run in long longitudinal lines to my path and at corner exit the bike squirms and wiggles just enough to let you know what's going on but never enough to unsettle it. For a Bonneville the chassis is outstanding. If you pin the throttle open long enough and tuck real tight I have seen an indicated 135MPH. My bike has a cat delete and GP shorty pro cans and while loud, sounds lovely. Been riding for 30 years and would have bought a Harley if they made a bike that handles. These really are special bikes.
yeah, I do love the bike. Just fitted new tires today, gonna test them out tomorrow. 135 on this bike would be scary, while at the same time being slower than my other bike does in 3rd gear. haha
And if you want a Harley that handles, take out the Pan American. 150hp of liquid cooled goodness, with traction and ABS and ride modes, proper suspension, I think it has Brembo's and you can option in a quickshifter.
I bought one of these and have added soft canvas bags. One thing I'm not happy with, might seem petty, but the gas cap sucks. It's gotta go. I have a 2007 BMWR1200GS for longer trips but for short trips back and forth to work or around town I really prefer this. The seat is fine I think but I'll eventually replace it with a brown leather cross-stitched version.
Great video! And so pleased to see that I was wrong on the suspension, although CZcams is littered with guys getting Yss/Ktech/Ohlins etcfor the Speed Twin. Looking forward to seeing this story develop. Ride safe! 😁😁😁
Great bike. Owned a Z900RS, kinda regret selling it. Went a bit back and forth with different bikes, now own a Harley Fat Boy and a BMW r1250r. Owned a Bobber too, still looks amazing but wasn't good for me (comfort). Might consider swapping the BMW for the Triumph simply because I like to own a retro-style sportsbike. The BMW is the best bike I ever owned but can't say it's a looker.
I was between this and the Z900rs Cafe both are beautiful machines.
I went for the Z900rs instead but I agreed the triumph has better components stock. The Z you have to upgrade some parts.
I also had z900rs, it is a completely different character of the engine
Very cool bike. For my tastes best retro cafe standards, Speed Twin, Z900RS, Thruxton RS
That road surface looks buttery smooth...., I found the stock rear suspension severely lacking on the bumps, huge 'poggo' effect. Changed to YSS on the rear and now the rear matches the front....
Same here, so I just installed a set of Ohlins shocks. I might still need stuffer springs put on them, but already they seem to make a big difference.
Nice - really like the Speed Twin - if only it was 15% bigger in every direction!
Yeah, if they sized it up a tad, and switched to an aluminum frame to offset the weight gain, that would be amazing
Damn, you convinced me to keep and tune my 2020 Speed Twin and not trade her in for a Z900RS. I also need to recommission my old, modded ZRX1100!
I have the 2020ST too, I've had bikes all over the spectrum. I'm so in love with my speed twin. Storage an issue but for me it just tickles all the right spots. I want to make some upgrades but dang I look forward to my time with her. Safe rides
Nice video, I like many was deciding between the Speed Twin and the Z900RS. Ultimately I chose the Triumph as felt it handles better and has a bit more attitude.
I've done 27 mods including the ones you mentioned except ECU flash, and the kawi 900 just isn't as good. I dropped the oil after two 30min. heat cycles for fully synthetic. Anxious to unlock the power of the mods I've done with an ECU tune.
What do you think about the ECU flash/remapping? Did you notice the difference when using the different mappings?
I never rode it unmapped. But I did ride the Bobber 1200 in the background, both unflashed and then flashed, and you feel it.
The stock map never delivers more than 91% power, and at 6,000rpm it pulls back to 84%. Now it delivers 100% all the way to redline, so it pulls nice and clean and you don't feel it tapering off after 6000 like the stock bike does...
Finally a reviewer who knows how to ride and isn't on some wet English lane.
My trigger finger is itchy about buying one of these this year if there is a 2023 model.
It looks like you are riding "very spirited" but not flat out. Did you notice any brake fade? Do the pegs scrape? How is riding at night? Does it really need the LED upgrade?
OK, it looks like you don't reply to comments. NP. Anyway I might just watch this video of yours whenever I feel the need for speed and save myself $15K. Thanks for the excellent upload.
I reply to most comments when a question is asked. If its just commenting, sometimes...
I haven't gone all out on it yet. I recently upgraded the shocks to Ohlins, but now I am waiting on K-Tech springs and new cartridges and stuff to get the forks to where they need to be. Haven't felt any brake fade, they are really nice brakes... Wore out the stock tires in just under 2k miles so I installed a set of Michelin Road 6's and am loving them so far...
No pegs scraping, but I hang off the bike a lot, so that I don't have to lean as hard into the turn as some folks do...
Dude, don't do this to me, I'm about to pickup a new 2023 Striple RS (the black and bronze one).
The only other bikes I'm interested in are this Speed Twin and the Hypermotard 950
The Striple RS is the best all around sportbike on the road today. If you want a sportbike that's still comfy and don't care about the whole retro thing, get that.
The Hypermotard is a great bike, but that dirtbike seat will have you hating life after a couple hours...
@@SquireSCA haha, yes the HMT is for one hour blasts on back roads only.
If the Striple is the best sport bike (in that it is also a superb track bike), then what is the best purely road-focused sport bike? The Supersport 950S ?
Yeh, you just couldn't resist the *Alure* of the Triumph yet again Dave, but I'm guessing it won't be in the stable very long "you do have a track record for a quick turnaround" 😄
Believe me, I would love to get to a point where I just keep bikes for a long time... haha
Now there's a rare sight, an American that can actually ride a bike.
I try, thanks. haha
Actually, lots of good riders in this area. We have a really good race track here, as well as lots of mountain roads...
Oh please...what are you a Brit with a nose-up attitude?!
On point with the Ozzie accent.😄
Great information! I wonder how this would compare to the new Z900RS SE since it corrects most of the things you didn't like about the standard Z900RS.
That would be a tough call... Similar cost, but with comparable suspension and brakes... The Z900RS would still be heavier feeling, but it would pack a bit more punch. The Triumph would still feel more nimble, but that would be a really hard choice... Both bikes offer retro cool, with enough performance to be fun...
@@SquireSCA I'm just think if both were stock which would be better. The Z900RS SE would be heavier and less nimble because of it, but the Street Twin has less power and less stable steering. I guess at that point it's nit picky things to edge one above the other.
Between the z900rs and the twin, which would be more comfortable two-up?
Probably the Z900RS. It's a physically larger and heavier bike, but you WILL want to upgrade the shock, unless you and your wife are anorexic.
@@SquireSCA Got it, I’ll let my wife know, SquireSCA said you need to lose some weight 😱😂
@@coastalhillbilly3419 Ummm.....
@@coastalhillbilly3419 ok that's funny shit right there🤣
Hi, I saw in your video that you also have/ride a Triumph Bobber. I currently also ride a Triumph Bobber but I would like to upgrade to a Speed Twin 1200. I now wonder if that wouldn't suddenly not be too heavy because the Speed Twin has much more horsepower and torque. what do you think about this.
They weigh close to the same, but the Speed Twin makes a good bit more power, but its not like you are jumping onto a Busa or something...
The bigger difference is the seating position, ground clearance, braking and handling...
It all comes down to what kind of riding you do?
It sounds like an Italian sports car.....nice :>)
Not bad for stock exhaust, right?
@@SquireSCA Nice little growl/rumble
Is it good for pillion for a 500kms ride ?
No idea, I never take a passenger. My wife has her own bikes to ride.
Was this the stock exhaust?
yeah, stock exhaust, but in the US you can remove the dB killer from the stock cans...
the zx10 is more comfortable?
What ZX10? Not sure what you mean. I don't have a ZX10.
at 7:14 you said it was more comfy maybe i misshear it
@@smolbodybuilder1602 Verbal typo. I was pointing to my ZX14R and said ZX10. But yeah, the ZX14R is more comfortable. Better wind protection, much nicer seat, bike is more stable and smooth... and makes more than twice the power...
I try to do my videos off the cuff, no script and in one take, so I can spend more time riding and less time in the editing room, so some of those verbal types slip through the cracks. haha
usable torks
Yah, the bike doesn't pack the top end punch that the inline 4's do, but it has gobs of fat, lazy torque everywhere... It doesn't FEEL as fast, until you look down at the speedo...
First!
Did you buy it from Triumph Roswell? I test rode a Speed Twin there, and I really liked it: czcams.com/video/Q9FUZZyD5p4/video.html
No, they didnt have any in stock. I called over to Freewheeling in Douglasville, bought it over the phone and they delivered it to my house the next day. Super easy process.
@@SquireSCA I've had a Rocket 3 serviced at Freewheeling. Good people, as are T-Roswell. I'll be leading a ride (maybe 5 riders, mainly Multistrada's) on Sat taking in Wolf Pen & Richie B. We should be at TW around 10 - you're welcome to tag along if you're out on the bike, the ride will end at Chevron Cumming/400SB.
@@RichDunn I might be able to make that. Let me see during the week, and weather permitting I might meet you at TW around 10. Not sure what bike I will bring, but I will let you know so you can look for me when I roll in.
Hey man, I will plan to meet you up at TWO as close to 10am as I can. Give or take a few minutes, basically. WHich way are you going up? If you are going up 400, then would you prefer to meet at that CHevron or somewhere near there, and meet earlier than TWO?
Dude, you're wrong to compare a 4 cyclinder to to a 2 cylinder. You're comparing apples to oranges. How do you not know that a twin vs a four are totally different? If people just want speed they get a 4, if you want something different, you get a twin. How do you not know this? It's baffling. Oh now you're comparing a ZX-10?!? You don't know anything about bikes.
What are you babbling about? I have owned just about every bike you can name. Ridden them hundreds of thousands of miles on street and track. 32 bikes for me, and I think another 11 for my wife. Twins, triples, I4's... Honda, Ducati, Aprilia, KTM, Triumph, Yamaha, Kawi and even a Harley.
It's not wrong to compare the two, if the comparison IS the topic, ya knucklehead... lol
Two bikes that get compared a lot, are the Z900RS, and the Speed Twin. Another is the Yamaha XSR900. Why? Because they are three different takes on a similar idea. A modern sportbike in retro clothing. All three do it a little differently. I have owned, and tracked the Z900RS, and now I have the Speed Twin. Who better to compare those two, than someone who has personally owned and ridden both?
I do know that they are different, hence the comparison on HOW they are different? LOL
I think that it is you son, that is new to this topic, not I... ;-)
Rewatching it... I mean, I am literally telling you what's different and why, due to the extra cylinders and rev limit, etc... It's the point of that part of the discussion, because it's one of the most common questions that I get... "How does the new Speed Twin compare to your Z900RS?"...
So I explain it, and how and why they are different, and where I feel each one has an edge. If you can't keep up with a simple conversation like that, maybe this is a "you" problem?
Or are you a fanboy of one bike or the other, and my critique struck a nerve?
The reality is that I have probably forgotten more about bikes, then you will ever learn about bikes. Fact.
Sooo.... No updates after you got schooled?
Plenty of fast twins out there, yes 4s tend to have more top-end power (piston speed is the limiting factor with any engine and the shorter the stroke the harder you can rev it - which is why 4 pots tend to make more power) but a v-twin KTM 1290 Super Duke R makes pretty-much as much power as the first gen Hayabusa - is that not fast enough? Modern sportsbikes make TOO much power and have to be electronically limited in the first few gears - what's the point of that?
@@LondonSteveLee Yeah, I guess he never heard of Ducati L-Twins. Ducati won more World Superbike titles on twins, than all other manufacturers did with I4's, combined, up to a few years ago with Aprilia started racking up wins with their V4, and then Kawasaki started winning. Prior to like 2010, Ducati absolutely dominated with 2 cylinder bikes in a field of inline 4's...
The guy doesn't know anything, hence why he ran away. lol
I would encourage him to ride a Panigale 1299 and then come tell me how it doesn;'t compare to 4 cyl bikes. haha
Torque between 5000 and 7000 you say?...Dude the torque peaks at 4250. You are talking through your azzz.
Horsepower. It has a lot of power up there. Peak HP is at 7250rpm. You might want to check your facts, son...
Tq almost always peaks WAY before peak HP does.
Ahem... Peak tq is at 4200rpm, but it stays flat and near peak for a long time, and only tapers off at the end. But if you look at the HP between 5k-7k, it's substantial.
If you are shifting at 4200rpm, you are missing literally 50% of the horsepower... Don't be that guy because you don';t understand how a motor works. lol
www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/triumph/2022-triumph-speed-twin-review.html/attachment/081621-2022-triumph-speed-twin-hp-torque-dyno
So.... no rebuttal? ;-)
@@SquireSCA Well "son" I'm older than you, have a degree in mechanical engineering and I've been building and tuning motors for 45 years. In the video It sounds like You state torque comes in stronger at between 5000 and 7000 rpm. Your words not mine "you've got good torque in here but its not until between 5000 and 7000 when it really picks up" In reality what you're talking about is that just a midge over 5000rpm (around 5250 to be more accurate) is where HP has taken over from the torque.
Yes, it has a pretty linear torque curve but fact is torque peaks at around 4300rpm and slowly tails off. Probably just the way you say it in the video that comes across as a little misleading. Torque/acceleration HP/top end speed. 5000 to 7500 is reliant on HP not so much torque...son.
@midas61 That's the equivalent of a verbal typo, try not to be pedantic. lol I don't script these out, so one thought sort of bleeds into the other. The Bobber in the background has more oomph(technical term) off the bottom... The Speed Twin has less, but it has much more steam from 5-7k... When you look at the dyno chart, the HP kinda takes off at that point and that's where your "fun zone" is...
At the end of the day, its the drive that you feel that I am describing. HP isn't actually a thing anyway, right? Torque is, and HP is just a calculation based off of that and RPM. The way my tuner always explained it is torque is the weight of the hammer that you use to do work. RPM is how many times you swing the hammer. HP, is how much work gets done as a result.
You can have a Harley, which is a sledge hammer... you don't have to swing it that many times per minute to reduce a rock to rubble... An R6 is like a ball peen hammer, but you can swing it at an incredible rate and so you apply its smaller force, many more times in that same unit of time, and you can reduce the rock to rubble that way...
Not with those rear shocks!
Eh? I have Ohlins shocks now, and K-Tech forks, exhaust, tune and all sorts of goodies...