Soprano Trombone or Slide Trumpet??? 2022 Edition
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That's crazy!! I expected them to sound the same but the soprano trombone sounded tromboney and the slide trumpet sounded trumpety. I think that settles it
Definitely! I hear it too, it's brighter and punchier
There was a difference, but it reminded me of the difference miking a guitar cab right on the edge of the dust cover, or further toward the rim. Brasses send their high frequencies in a narrow cone, and the closer the mic is to dead-on-axis, the more of them it's going to receive. That alone _could_ account for the difference between the two, since we can't see where the mic is placed. Probably not, but it's possible.
6:05
6:24
for quick reference
@@The_SOB_II Yes but they're great for getting that Wycliffe Gordon sound
@@BlueMeeple I love this piece, the Acrobat.
I think the soprano trombone looks better and is less awkward to hold. Congrats on 100k
They actually do sound different, bore, bell and flare makes quite a difference. The bone sounds richer while the trumpet sounds...well...trumpety! Great demonstration!
Not the stuttering on keyboard💀
The Slide Trumpet Bore is thinner but they both use a Trumpet Mouthpiece
I like the soprano trombone better because it looks less awkward to hold and the tone is more mellow. Both examples sounded really nice.
I have a Kanstul Model 150 Soprano Trombone and I love it!!! Such a cool and underrated instrument!!!
I closed my eyes while you played the two. I could hear a difference and think the slide trumpet sounds more like a trumpet and the soprano trombone sounds more like a trombone. But the difference is indeed subtle. The different bore sized could account for some of that. And there is no doubt an inherent ability of anyone playing them to tweak the timbre of each instrument towards one sound or the other.
Congrat on 100k! So happy to see you hit such a big mark in your CZcams timeline!
Admittedly my experiences listening to brass for distinctions comes from high school marching and concert bands, but there's a brightness to the point of being harsh out of the slide-trumpet that isn't present in the soprano-trombone. It's like the soprano-trombone has a wider array of resonances for a richer sound across the spectrum than the slide-trumpet has.
I watched some of you older videos and I just wanted to say you're looking good these days! Happy for you!
Love ya Trent! Keep making these cool vids!
Great trumpet sound!
On the Getzen Slide Trumpet 6th position actually lines up w/ the Bell.
Another super spiffy rare find! Learned more today about soprano slidey brassy things than I had ever learned before :))
I think the trumpet is slightly brighter and the trombone is slightly mellower but I could see how either could be used for the sand part without a problem.
Impeccable
6:05 Plays the Acrobat on Jupiter Soprano Trombone
6:24 Plays the Acrobat on Getzen Slide Trumpet
The Acrobat is always my favorite piece to hear on an instrument this size
The slide trumpet to me ever so slightly brighter, I was expecting it to sound stuffier, it kinda did but just a tiny tiny bit, negligible honestly. Might be observation bias. The biggest thing I noticed was the slide trumpet sounded sharper, I suspect it was harder to play given the landmarks are different from the soprano trombone and perhaps that's why it was sharper. I definitely prefer trombones over any instrument so even if I'm extremely biased I prefer the soprano trombone even to a valve trumpet, I just love that extra clarity that being so close to a perfect resonator gives the instrument, such a flexible timbre, I'm sad that soprano trombones aren't used more often.
The slide trumpet doesn't have a separate tuning slide, so it probably would have been better to play it first and then match the soprano trombone's pitch to it. They could be presented in either order in video, but you'd have to do the slide trumpet first to find out where its intonation is today.
I haven't heard soprano trombones being played very often before, and I gotta say it is so marvelous to hear what basically sounds like a trumpet, yet it can slur the notes. That is so cool. I gotta get one of these.
I am surprised this is still going on. Can't we all just define each of them already?
Classifications are difficult for most things
Definitions are difficult for most things
Is a sousaphone a tuba? Yes
Is the tuba a sousaphone? No
Yet I bet someone will still disagree with me on those two questions.
Although if we take a post-modernist perspective to it... why does it matter? There Is no correct answer. Just play the instrument and have fun with it.
@@Klara_S. I agree with you on the sousaphone tuba thing
It's sometimes argued at similar tubing length (thus pitch) trombones have a larger bore and a more cylindrical shape, while trumpets have a narrower bore and a longer section of conical tubing. Thus, that seems to be what you have to look for to tell a slide trumpet from a soprano trombone, or a valve trombone from a bass trumpet.
I'm a trumpet player who also owns a Jupiter soprano trombone, purchased circa 1988 and looking a little poorer than yours. IMHO it's only a novelty horn and shouldn't be taken too seriously. I've had a bit of fun with it, especially while playing it in a rock band. But perhaps I'm doing it a disservice?
I think I prefer your performance on the soprano trombone over the slide trumpet.
Thank you so much for sharing this video and enlightening us.
Darn he really has lost some weight over these years Good job and keep up the great work man
the sop t-bone just looks cute as a mini trombone
Trent said “Bell end” 😂
I have noticed that with both the trumpet and the trombone at the same pitch, the trombone mouthpiece tend to have a deeper cup than the trumpet mpc of the same size.
Does the tighter turn on the slide trumpet lead to more resistance when playing? I'm guessing it would regardless with the smaller bore, but curious how much that smaller turn radius might contribute.
I always prefer to hear soprano trombone play not with trumpet mouthpiece, 3 of the best soprano trombone sound I ever heard have custom wider rim flugelhorn and alto horn mouthpiece, and one that is totally custom that is similar to alto trombone mouthpiece
Nice. 👍👍
My Jupiter "slide trumpet" looks like a soprano trombone and sounds like a B Flat Trumpet.
Cornet playing with a trumpet?
Close enough and my 3 year old is going to learn on my Jupiter slide trumpet as opposed to my valved trumpet. Because awesome.
As the others have said, there does seem to be a difference, and I hear the same thing.
And the trombone sounded better playing the piece than the trumpet!
Haha, I just watched the old version a few hours ago.
6:19 why did i know you would play this😂
the sound reminds me of being at a circus, when the clowns make their appearance
The slide trumpet appears to have greater slotting problems, unless that is Trent not quite finding the slide positions.
You should look at the conn upright valve trombone
Whoa! What did you do for weight loss?! Looking good broski.
If they do the same thing and play the same way, apart from naming and slight physical differences I didn't think it really matter, then I heard your playing. I was surprised that the slide trumpet actually sounded like a trumpet rather than a trombone but that could partly be down to the mouthpiece.
I love how you can watch Trent slowly get thinner and go bald in real time over the last decade. Very fun
soprano trombone 100% throw that slide trumpet in the museum lol
nice video
You should make another multi track video
I prefer the soprano trombone over the slide trumpet
Good day. Watching your channel has inspired me to pick up a trumpet after 30 yrs. I bought a cheap trumpet and I am quite pleased that I can still play and read music. I would like to know what is a good trumpet that can hit the notes easier especially the higher ones. It seems I have to tongue the notes with more pressure to hit them on tune. Before I could just slide up and down between notes using just my lip pressure. I don't mind spending more money but I want a good horn. Please advise.
Sincerely Chris Reinhart
There's no magic substitute for practice, and any instrument that makes you hit some higher notes easier will come at the cost of not being able to play other notes, or will sacrifice your tone.
@@TrentHamilton thx. It does not feel like my old trumpet. I will practice more of course. Thx again
One wonders: do composers/arrangers specify in the score "play on soprano trombone" or "play on slide trumpet"?
Slidetrombone, for practical reasons. But what piece is the outro, it is abselutly amazingly calm and beutiful.
They sounded the same to me. The only difference was that the trumpet echoed.
So is a piccillo trombone a slide piccillo trumpet?
I'm a baritone and Euphonium player. I'm looking for a decent tuba. Any recommendations? That small tuba you did a video on was cool but out of my price range thought
Imo wessex ain't half bad
how many lays does the soprano trombone have?
Interestingly, I’ve seen a picture of Louis Armstrong playing a soprano trombone, but it is labeled as a slide trumpet😅
Aonde comprar esse trombone em B H
Hello Trent,
I would like to know where you obtained the slide trumpet! It seems an interesting instrument and I would like to add it to my collection.
Thanks!
The slide trumpet was sent to me by a viewer :)
Not taking the piss, I think it will fit in well with Benny Hill type of show. There is a bit of whimsical feel to the sound. I quite like it.
0:56 slide trumpet team
You lost a lot of weight in the last years good job bro
Hot take: trombones are just a kind of trumpet
In the video, the side trumpet sounds significantly louder. I'm wondering if this is a true representation of the sound, or if it's just a side effect of the bell being closer to the camera.
Likely due to the bell being closer to the camera. And this is likely why they sound a bit different other than the volume.
probably just a biproduct of cheap manufacturing, but wow the intonation on the slide trumpet is rough
I doesn’t ruin your embochure? I always wanted to play soprano trombone but because of the trumpet mouthpiece I am afraid it will ruin my trombone embochure
I love that Trombone means large trumpet. So a Soprano Trombone means a high pitch large trumpet. 🤦♂️
2:32 My what now?
The 'bone sounds better
I like that bone boy😅
Especially the bellend.
Is it just me or have you lost a lot of weight recently?
Trumpets are better soooo
still sounds the same barely any difference 💀
In Italian, the trumpet is "La Tromba" and the trombone is "Il Trombone," meaning "large trumpet."
Therefore, trumpets and trombones are all trumpets. The soprano is the trumpet, and the lower pitched versions are the "large trumpets," or trombones in Italian. So it's kinda moot to call the soprano horn a "soprano trombone." It's a soprano trumpet. A bass trombone is actually a bass trumpet. That's another one- what has always been called a "bass trumpet" is actually a coiled-up tenor valve trombone. They do not play in the actual bass range, so that name is a misnomer, but I digress.... Having a slide and it's configuration does not make it a trombone. I see lots of marching valve trombones that are so coiled up on themselves that they don't even resemble a typical slide trombone. They look more like that erroneous "bass trumpet" I mentioned earlier. The bore has little to do with it, since a pretty wide variation in bore sizes can be found in all brass instrument families.
So "soprano trombone" is just a sales pitch. A soprano trumpet is technically just a trumpet whether it has a slide, valves, or nothing.
Good point. In Italian "Trombone" means "large Trumpet", and at that time, very, very, v e r y, long ago, they were quite similar instruments, mostly distinguished by their length. Both were cylindrical instruments with the same bore size, and the main difference being the length, due to the added slide (on the trombone) verses no slide (OR VALVES) on the Trumpet. And yes, the Trombone was the 'large' (or longer) brass instrument. So in the 1400's they were almost the same instrument, only the Trombone, later known as a Sackbut, was longer due to it's slide.
Within a few hundred years each had developed in much different instruments. The Trumpet stayed cylindrical, keeping a similarly sized bore, bell throat and bell. It also added valves. On the other hand, the Trombone greatly increased the size of the bore, became much more conical, (starting at the end of the slide and continued to the end of the bell), giving it a dramatically larger bell throat and doubling the size of the bell. Also a different shaped mouthpiece was used. This all leads to it's distinctly different tone.
True, both the Trumpet and the Trombone started at the same piace, but, like most musical instruments (and people!), they have individually progressed, resulting in distinct entities that have little in common with their early ancestors. However if you wish to deny that the Trumpet and Trombone have evolved into unique instruments, both very different than the early Italian Trumpet (which, by the way, was based on two thousand year-old rams horn 'Trumpets'), I would suggest that you ask any pro whos plays either one, if a modern Trumpet or a modern Trombone is like a 1400's 'Trumpet", or better yet, an ancient rams horn! Or you could simply continue to pretend you're living in Medieval Italy. In boca al lupo!
To keep things simple. Trombones are just lower pitched Trumpets that use slides. And sometimes even Trombones are made using valves. As for the two instruments demonstrated here. they sound the same. If there is a difference, it'd be because the 'soprano trombone' has a slightly larger bore than the Slide Trumpet.