Piccolo/Soprano Trombone Mashup
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- This video is a mashup of my Piccolo and Soprano Trombones. My experiments on the hunt to find the mythical Eb 'Sopranino' Trombone.
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8th position on a real trombone does exist. There's slim chance of recovering from it though, and often results in dented or damaged slides.
How?
Sans the Skeleton there are only 7. But what hes saying is the outer slide is in no was connected to the inner slide, so if you go too far, too fast youll send ur outer slide flying into whatever is in front of you
just make it exist have an 8 foot wingspan and increase the range :P
8th position does technically exist, but it is only feesable by going to the very end of the slide and lipping the note down a bit.
The 1st one is a piccosoprano. The 2nd one is a sopriccolo.
sopriccolo is really fun to say
Sopriccolo sounds like an italian food
8:18 saying Sopranino made his head evaporate
I contacted Matthias Höfs, and it is a custom Sopranino in F made by Karl Mönnich in Erlbach, Germany.
Chad Horsley Thanks for that. I always though Sopraninos are in Eb :)
Yes, must are. I think that one was made with that piece in mind, or at least that is my guess. I also have an almost complete collection. Pic,sop, alto, tenor, bass. Nice to meet one of the few others that has one of these little guys. :)
+Trent Hamilton U cud call it the sopriccolo trombone
Actually, G# is a pretty excellent pitch for a trombone. Most alto trombones are in Eb (add 1 flat vs tenor). A soprano slide with piccolo bell in Ab is a perfect 4th above the Alto. For transposition purposes this is another (add 1 flat vs alto) transposition. This is an extremely useful instrument with enough positions to satisfy a competent musician. This is unquestionably more practical and easy to learn than a soprano or piccolo, which will leave the user with slide disengaged during a performance. My alto P-bone has left me hanging multiple times reaching for a 7th position that wasn't really there.
call it the "Special Beam Cannon"
Both of these are absolutely hilarious in completely different ways. One has a comically short slide and one has a comically long slide
With the soprano slide and piccolo bell (G#/Ab) you could read Ab clarinet music. Probably hard to find but it must exist somewhere.
Sorry to be a stickler! But that's actually not how trombone players read music. Keep in mind that the fundamental pitch of a Tenor and a Bass trombone is the same note, a Bb. The bass simply has a larger bore size and bigger mouthpiece. And even though our fundamental pitch is Bb, we are taught to read in concert pitch, C. Trombone is not a transposing instrument!
It really stinks. When a trombone player picks up an alto trombone or a soprano trombone, we are required to transpose and/or relearn how to read EVERYTHING.
Orchestral music is written in bass, tenor, and alto clefs, so trombone players are universally expected to read 3 clefs + many ledger lines in each clef. I am not joking when I say it feels like we are always being tested. And alto trombone players would also need to be able to read music in bass, tenor, and alto clef. Bass, because it is the most common. Tenor and alto because composers were trying to get the trombone section to shut up and pay attention so they switch back and forth just to screw with us. We deserve it. We are always the most immature musicians in the orchestra.
It is an extremely unforgiving process to learn alto and soprano trombone. And sadly, there is not much range to be gained. An alto trombone is typically pitched a perfect 4th above a tenor. It is safe to say that a trombone player will easily gain 5 notes of range on top when switching to an alto with a smaller mouthpiece, but only at the expense of dozens of notes in the low range. But while an alto trombone rarely makes useful, pleasant sounds in the lower ranges, it makes a very special, very beautiful trombone/flugelhorn/trumpet mix of sonority in the correct range. I bought my alto trombone to use for jazz. So far, it does exactly what it says on the tin.
@@drmikegallant A lot of brass bands read in treble clef, trombones included, and that saves you from having the majority of those issues. However, I understand your pains a lot, as I learned in Bass Clef and I regularly read in both. Tenor clef confuses the sh*t out of me though, I won’t lie
I believe the "Useless and Stupid Foosey & Co Bugle" is in the key of F sharp when played with a normal trumpet mouthpiece, as I own one of those myself and have seen what its fundamental is.
Just call them:
"The very useless but somewhat unique pair of trombone hybrids that play in awful keys"
XD
7:05 I actually have arms longer than the usual so i would be fine with an 8th position. The reason I play the trombone is because its got the slide and because I dont struggle to reach 7th position other people in my band class
You're a great explainer! I'm not a trombone player, which makes it all the more impressive that I thought your video fascinating. Well done!
Ha ha! The sound at 5:33, comedy gold!!!
Call it a fruit loop
FL Studio
@Trent: The Moravian album “Music for All Seasons” features a sopranino trombone in Eb. There was a picture of it in the liner notes.
A mezzosoprano trombone
@5:22 it's major third not a perfect third
Honestly, as far down the sock as he's playing to achieve that note, a perfect third is probably a better description, even if we don't really use that interval anymore.
Update: I went searching and can't find information on a perfect third anywhere. My recollection from my music degree over a decade ago is that a perfect third is a now defunct interval that was used long ago. It was a flat major third that was halfway between the root and fifth, I believe in just intonation. That would put the fifth at 3:2 (1.5:1) and the perfect third at the square root of it, (sqrt 1.5):1, or about 1.225:1. It might have been synonymous with a just major third at 5:4 (1.25:1). Comments welcome on either side, confirming this, or telling me I'm crazy. :/
We did it. We found the sopranino trombone
I believe the video he was talking about is called ensemble de trombones, your welcome.
Sickolo.
You should try to play a tuba with a trumpet mouthpiece. It makes a... noise.
You're a musical Dr Frankenstein!
Ideas:
Contrabass with piccolo slide
Piccolo with contrabass slide
Piccolo mouthpiece on contrabass
Contrabass mouthpiece on piccolo
The piccolo/soprano bore is wildly different from that of even a tenor trombone, let alone a contrabass. Thus the slides do not fit into each other. The piccolo mouthpiece is just a trumpet mouthpiece, which doesn't really fit, but I believe Trent has a video on.
@@billygarvey633 twas a joke, my guy
it's a proper trumpet, with a slide as god intended.
"a piccolo soprano sopranino bass trombone in F"
bro make up your mind
8:16 when he says soprinino the camera flipped out
A few moments later part was hilarious
Very good
The trouble is (and I have this with my Jupiter Soprano as well) is they sound like slide trumpets, and not trombones. I strongly believe this is because we don't have proper mouthpieces designed for trombones, but have to use trumpet mouthpieces. We need deeper cup mouthpieces. Maybe with a larger choke. I'm thinking there along the lines of how a 1-1/2GM sounds different from a 1-1/2G on a bass trombone.
There are Trombone-to-Trumpet hybrid mouthpieces that exist. Chason's music seems to be the most popular for those types of mouthpieces (they're the company that made the mouthpiece that Wycliffe Gordon uses.)
Where did you get your piccolo trombone? If you don't mind me asking.
There has been a case made for a "semi-contrabassoon" in F or G, between the bassoon and contrabassoon. Could there perhaps be a case for a "sopranino trombone", or perhaps a "baritone trombone" in F or Eb, which could be an alto trombone with bass trombone-like triggers or a bass trombone pitched a fourth or fifth lower?
hey! i love your channel. i have a request. could you pleas do a soprano/piccolo slide ( either or) on a bass trombone( if possible) please
Unfortunately it won't fit. These instruments are easy to combine because they have the same bore.
Trent Hamilton won't some good Ol' plumbers tape work?
yup
Its a monster
Sorprillo bone for those wondering what the very last horn featured is in that video. I hear it's pitched in f, but Eb would work.
names based on bell section and then slide section
Sopriccolo and Piccoprano
The 1st trombone is the Soprano Trombone in F#, the 2nd one is the Piccolo Trombone in G#
Soprano bell with with piccolo slide: Sopracilo Trombone. Vice-versa- Piccano Trombone.
There is such thing a a sopranino trombone in Eb, but not by the method you are attempting here.
That must be a "ticklesop" trombone!
The piccolo bell instrument is a soprillo and the soprano bell is a countersoprano
you can call the soprano slide one The babybelle trombone
I jammed the slid of my alto trombone into the bell of a tenor P-bone and got a trombone with fundamental C. So you can play the white keys on a piano with it! :)
I call the Soprano bell with the Picolo slide a Socolo Horn.
The picolo bell with soprano slide will be a Pracoltone Horn.
Yoooo we got the siccolo trombone
either the pirano or soccolo trombone
Sopriccolophone and Piccanophone?
Sub-Piccolo trombone in Eb? That's my guess.
Giovanni Lacala .nah that would be a sopranino in Eb
I don't know why but 5:24 - 5:35 made me laugh so hard.
That creation would be an F sopranino trombone
their mouthpieces look like trumpet mouthpieces
he says "f" like eeff
Sopranino trombone and Sextant trombone!
Sopranino trombone, as piccolo is sopranissimo
I just had a dream I tried to play a Soprano trombone and failed miserably, to my surprise.
The video in the description for the sopranino trombone does not work
if you had an e flat trombone you could play sax parts on it without transposing. that could be useful if your arrangement requires a sax, but you only have trombonists available.
Alto trombones are in Eb
Looks like a bugle, but a trombone
I think the fundamental for the second concoction is in Db not Ab
5:22 ‘perfect third’ 😂
By perfect 3rd he meant major 3rd since a 3rd is not a perfect interval.
I'd call it the Piccrano trombone.
They're so cute!!!!!
Piccolo/normal trombone trombone mashup
you could call it the spriccolo trombone
Sopriccolo and Piccorano trombones
Valve less trumpet looks like a fugle horn with no valves
G bugles only have 4 positions so the trombone with the piccolo slide and soprano bell should be able to play older drum and bugle corps repertoire.
7 positions isn't enough when you can experience the rare eighth position.
You're bonkers! (in a good way). Where'd you get those things?
Bingo Music: Soprano Trombone
And Polar Music: KW Tuba
Coming Soon To Oct 13
The porano trombone & the sicolo trombone
the first one is a poprano and the 2nd one is a sicilo
It is a Flugalbone!
Hi - got some information for you that might help - yes there IS a Sopranino Trombone - though as the article says - they are extremely rare but they Do exist. Also, should we not use the term Soprano for the Soprano in Eb, and the term Treble for the Soprano in Bb, to be a bit more accurate? Any way - here is the link to the article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_trombone#Sopranino_and_piccolo_trombones
if you added an inch of tubing you would get a piccolo, soprano, sopranino, bass trombone in F. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH i laughed when he said bass trombone
"A few moments later"
The micro trombone
Do contrabass trombone slide and piccolo trombone bell
The first one is a sopraniccolo trombone,the second a picconino
Contrabass trombone slide + piccolo trombone bell = bass piccolo trombone…?
You could put the mouth piece on a trumpet
The first one should be the Piprano Trombone
Picoprano trombone and sopranicollo
First there is no "perfect third", five positions is a major third.
Second, if you could get your second instrument into a (not-flat) A-flat, it would be slightly more useful than you might have believed because there do exist other breeds of piccolo instruments (clarinets most notably) which are in A-flat. This is probably for reasons of ergonomics, the fingers can only get so close together. The extremely rare soprillo saxophone (there is only one manufacturer, Eppelsheim) is in B-flat. The usability of more slide positions may very well offset the difficulties of transposition, making your hybrid more useful than the piccolo trombone -- but I'd be interested to see what the increased cylindrical ratio does to your overtone series. (Of course, being a trombone, you can learn to compensate for that.)
Maybe the trick would be to treat the second hybrid as standing in G, but where first position is other than fully closed. Then you can raise the pitch of out-of-tune first position notes to accommodate what are bound to be variances in your overtone series. Also, since you have no tuning slide, you have to be able to adjust for temperature and the tuning of the people around you.
Sopranino trombone
I did this with my trombones, my soprano slide came out in F
Dove si compra?
Call it the "Sopranillo Trombone". C:
Addy C: oh
Addy C: Can only be said while chewing gum.
I'd call it the descant trombone.
Actually, combining the piccolo and Soprano makes a sopranino trombone
Sopriccolo and Altoprano
If you want to make it flatter, use a Hammer!
I would call it the sopiccolo trombone
Sopranino
what about the short stop
Is a piccolo trombone bore the same as a trumpet, i have horrible ideas
Sopranino Trobone
The picano trombone
piccolano trombone? and Sopranolo trombone
Hey Trent my trombone teacher has that trombone except my teacher says that that's a toy trombone
The basset trumbone
Where is the piccolo with the valve?