My Honest Thoughts on Stephanie Buttermore | Should You Go 'All In'?
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I am in the process of “all in” now, and it has helped me regain my period back after losing it for almost two years. I feel SO much healthier now that I’m not restricting and underweight anymore. I was inspired by Stephanie ❤️
Did you get your period back?
@@jenniferjulianjf712 yep she said it helped her regain it back
Why not eat a normal amount of calories? This is disordered eating with a cute package.
i started watching stephanie from the start of her "all in" and it so refreshing to see how her body and lifestyle has changed and her mind.
Nope. Her mind has only gotten worse.
@@dr.jenniferma3914 yes now nearly two years later that happens sadly sometimes when you don't continue to look after your mental health. its good she realised what she was doing and is tackling it.
'It tells you there's a tiger in the house, but it's actually a fly' I will definitely be thinking of this when anxiety peaks. Great timing as anxiety and panic have been rising lately. Great video!
I didn't really watch her before but I've been watching her more recently because she spreads such a positive message. She's done incredibly, and is so brave. Thanks for the video Mia, you're compassionate and informative approach is really helpful!!
I still remember the day I decided I was going to recover, I let myself eat 2 brownies because I wanted to. I ate 1... and felt like another. Then ate another 1... and was satisfied. It was the best feeling to just eat and decide I'm not going to feel guilty about this anymore. Making these little decisions every day eventually (years down the track) lead to me not having to think 'I'm not going to feel guilty'... I just didn't feel guilty anymore. I found it really helped to surround myself with other people who were free about food and then I could use them as inspiration. Thank you Mia! Xx
Hey I am in the same place as you, but if you don't mind did you gain weight and how did you deal with people and your ED voice?
@@riddhidugar867 yes I did gain weight, but then after about 6 months it came down a bit naturally once I didn’t feel so much like I had to eat everything I had once deprived myself of. For the past few years I have been at what I thought was my ‘set point’ and have had a super easy relationship with food. However, I just had a baby 4 weeks ago and haven’t gone back down to my pre pregnancy weight (which was a shock to me, as with my previous pregnancy which was with twins I lost the weight in a week without any effort at all, just breastfeeding). I am really working on accepting that my body might have a higher set point at this time in my life as I am breastfeeding a baby and looking after 2 year old twins as well, and I need the extra stores! 😂 I believe myself fully recovered (I think?) but I now just have to ignore that ED voice, recognise what it is and not let any of those thoughts become behaviours and try to replace them with positive accepting thoughts.
Hope this helps. We are all in this together and I think in recovery we can sometimes have years where it’s quite easy but then life throws something at you and it may require some more work again 💗
What a wonderful video!!!! Just one day of “all-in” triggers me in a horrific way!!! I am so validated right now! Thank you for explaining this so well. I feel this information is a game changer for me.
At 57, I have battled with disordered eating since I was about 10 or 11 when I started getting called fatso. I am exhausted. I found your channel a couple of years ago and find you incredibly helpful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
How are you doing by now? Every more year - actually every more day - with an eating disorder is one too much living a sad, deprived, exhausting life 🥺I’m struggling since 14 years which is also way too long
Just a quick note: The "all in" approach is originally from the book "No Period, Now What" by Dr. Nicola Rinaldi. It was meant for women recovering from hypothalmic amenorrea (HA) and the basic guidelines are to eat 2500 calories minimum with only gentle or no exercise. Obviously HA and eating disorders often overlap but it was not intentionally Made for people in recovery. I have been in recovery in awhile and I am now using the "all in" approach to get my period back but early on I would not have been able to!
Yes, thank you! All-in is not the same as intuitive eating and it has very specific guidelines. I wish Mia would talk with Dr Rinaldi, she deserves much more recognition for her work and her amazing book. I've recovered my period after reading NPNW and going properly "all-in" last year and now I'm pregnant! Good luck on your journey!
@@softinthesky Congratulations! Your experience and the women in the book give me so much hope❤️
You should tell Greg Doucette about this
@@sistersasmr3477 what approach has helped you in the beginning? Only recently I set my mind to going all in and following my extreme hunger, but everything I buy the foods I desire, I eat so much of them that I cannot sit with the guilt so I purge again :( on the other hand I know that banning those foods makes me desire them even more .. I feel stuck. I have anorexia binge purge in case that’s of any importance
@@allie2342 It is a tough situation but I promise you it does get better!! When I started out in recovery, I was following a meal plan that I created with a dietitian that had some structure (a minimum number of meals and snacks but flexibilty of what those could be). I know that working with a dietitian (and therapist) is not always possible financially but it does help build a solid foundation for recovery. But even with that, I still had to eventually dive all in and eat unconditionally. The thing that was most helpful was hearing other peoples experiences and knowing that "binging" in recovery is completely normal and necessary. I consider myself fully recovered now, period and all, and I do not have the desire to eat the amount I did in recovery.
Sorry that was super long, haha. I am not a professional, just my experience!!
I've chosen 'all-in' several times (post relapses) when I had extreme hunger and each time only lasted a few months before my extreme hunger reduced. However, although it definitely cured my extreme hunger each time, the act of 'all-in' severely triggered my restrictive mindset each time and I'd end up relapsing badly. This time I chose a slower incremental approach, which has kept me in a steady recovery for much longer. I think Steph did the right thing for her, but it wouldn't work for everyone.
Awesome video as always! 💗
simplyarwen this is exactly what has happened to me. Wishing you the best in your recovery 💛
@@Tamsin_bear you too Tamsin!💜
the same happened with me twice ... I have gained weigt I freak out and started restricting again ... I need a slower approach
@@dorotkamajka8 I'm sorry to hear that 💗 I found that challenging fear foods and amounts was what helped
It’s so interesting to know that everyone requires a different approach to their recovery. ❤️
I feel like all in recovery is something you will choose to do when you decide the time is right. At first I was too scared and this would have tipped me over the edge. However, now that I’m at the stage where I will do anything to get better and know I won’t restrict again, it’s the best decision I have made. It makes you challenge the Ed thoughts at the same time as nutritionally rehabilitating
Hi, how's it going?
while i agree that you can't start intuitive eating right off the bat because your hunger cues will probably be all wonky, i don't agree that nutritional rehabilitation happening fast will make neural rewiring harder. in fact, nutritional rehabilitation is a prerequisite to the mental part of recovery. an undernourished brain cannot do the mental and therapeutic work that is needed to recover. i also don't agree that eating to full satiety will lead to relapse because relapse is, at the end of the day, a choice, whether we like it or not. yes, eating to satiation is scary. yes, it will be overwhelming. but it is 100% possible to feel those feelings and keep going anyway. dipping your toes in only drags out the process. in the very beginning, no, you can't trust your hunger cues. but once you've been eating a normal amount for a while, once your hunger cues kick back into gear- then there truly is no other way to recover other than transitioning into eating unrestrictedly. treatment professionals often underestimate people in recovery, and that just leads to more fear around food. yes, eating is hard. but an eating disorder is not a demon possessing us and forcing us to make disordered choices. it is simply an unhealed part of ourselves where some wires got crossed. in order to learn that it is safe to eat, we must allow ourselves to eat in abundance, and we must sit with the discomfort. and treatment providers need to start teaching us that actually we CAN trust ourselves not to relapse when we get overwhelmed. the eating disorder cannot FORCE us to do something we don't want to do, even if it feels that way. recovery is a series of difficult choices and relapse is also a series of choices. i choose recovery, even though some days i want to choose relapse. or if i make a disordered choice one day, i get back up and choose recovery the next day. it is not easy, but it is simple. we must engage with recovery with the same dedication with which we engaged with our eating disorders.
i can’t agree with you more! i always wondered why steph didn’t start her “all in” with a normal caloric intake which for her would probably be around 2000 calories
Well put
I have been ‘physically recovered’ from
anorexia for around five years and I am now catching up mentally. To this day I can sometimes trust my intuition, and other days I am more regimented and eat despite not being physically hungry, but because I know I need to do so in order to aid in my mental recovery. Everyone is different and like you said Mia, what works for one person will not work for others! x
I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the other influencers we see on CZcams - mukbangers and the glamorization of food addiction (eg Nickocado)
jazzdancer115 especially Stephanie from funfoodiefitness
jazzdancer115 *nuttyfoodiefitness
Hannah Ashley she just has a big appetite.. what’s wrong with that?
I agree, especially because we see them eating so much food, and a lot of them stay very thin (like Stephanie Su) and it makes me wonder whether they have really high metabolisms, if they work it off, if this is a "cheat meal" or if they just purge it after, which are all disordered behaviors (except for having fast metabolism and a big appetite haha).
iman fahmy Steph actually did a DNA test - and as it turns out: she does have a very high metabolism. She doesn’t even workout during quarantine right now.. I guess people don’t like this answer because it’s not relatable
I hope Greg Doucette watches this
I love stephanie! I've been following her for years and when she went "all in" it really helped me to see that I have eating disorder. I'm so glad you did a review on her video xx
I love stephanies videos following her journey, she is so brave and awesome. I love reading the comments of people who were positively impacted by her story.
Ikr
i love the way you respectfully highlighted some of the issues in the fitness industry. many people who make negative videos about her seem either intentionally misunderstanding stephanie’s goals and approach or just so deeply entrenched in the bulking/cutting mindset that they can’t wrap their head around taking an eating approach that doesn’t center an aesthetic goal. i hope they can find their balance! i’m really happy for stephanie and love her content since she went all in. she’s also super knowledgeable about fitness and has great workouts. i love being able to follow someone who inspires me to challenge myself fitness-wise without it being all about looking a certain way. i’m so glad she’s changed her approach to her content from where it used to be, because honestly seeing those cheat day thumbnails in my suggested videos tab used to be super triggering and concerning to me.
This is so correct re intuitive eating and ED recovery. As someone recovering from AN b/p subtype, whenever i relex and allow myself to eat in a normal way, the other side if the pendulum starts screaming, thinking i binged or ate too much and wants to go and get it out. So i agree, not the best time for all in approach. Hopefully one day :) great video
I have anorexia b/p subtype as well and find myself failing again and again trying to go all in. Have you found another way by now? I hope you’re doing better 🙌
10:48 - Mia you've helped me realise something really important and I can't thank you enough. This next bit is a bit of an essay and I'm just noting it here for my own realisation.
My disorder has brought me to the lowest places, and all the while I have been treated for other mental health issues. I have had the feeling my psychologist doesn't like talking about my eating and weight issues specifically. And it has made me so upset and frustrated because they are really painful.
We've been working on finding a 'healthy adult' self. And I can see now that we're working on underlying issues, because I'm approaching this from a perspective that I'm not sick enough and I've been waiting for validation from her - "ok! You are thin. You can recover now." All this time she has been helping me. And all this time I've been waiting for her to tell me I'm sick so I can feel relief and satisfy my disorder, not so I can recover.
I’m not sure “all in” is a good idea for those suffering from binge eating. Of course to stop binge eating one must stop restricting food, but I think the person needs someone to guide them. For example many of us have been dieting all our adult lives and don’t actually know what to eat normally. It’s either restrict or binge. The right ED nutritionist can guide you and help you make your meals balanced, try to teach you to eat mindfully and to relearn your hunger/ fullness queues. There will be weight fluctuations, but not nearly as much as going all in. There is a risk that the “all in “ approach may just turn into a long binge which will then scare the person and trigger restriction. Just my thoughts
Sarah Bartlett I agree! But Stephanie never had an eating disorder and so I think her journey is different from a recovery journey
If you restrict after bingeing, it's technically called "purging" and therefore anorexia nervosa binge purge type OR bulimia, depending on other factors. It's confusing because of all the names, but I think it's important for people to get properly diagnosed or at least have enough insight into their behaviours and thinking patterns.
Hi! I just wanted to chime in with my story, I was a binger for 13 ish years the severity of it fluctuated with my restrictions/EDs but at one point gained over 100 lbs from binging, lost, gained ect for 13 years. then I did All in and YES it was very difficult and hard not to relaspe and go back to restricting BUT I didn't because I knew it would just lead back to the same cycle I was in. Now I feel cured from binging as All In normalized my appetite and hunger! So it is definitely worth it!!!!! For anyone reading it is definitely harder if you have a binging history but it is all the more worth it to rid it and feel normal! ❤️
@@hannahashley2882 I think she did/does have an ED....
Yeah I tried all in and I haven't restored my body weight after. I'm now obese and it's been like 6 years and I hate myself and my life. It's been super rough tbh
I need to watch your videos every morning while I'm getting dressed in the morning. I started to go body check right after you spoke about it and decided to avoid the mirror instead. My goal is to eventually be able to look in a mirror in a positive way. Thank you
Thank you for pointing out the intensity of some of these “All In” comments. Some of them can be very harsh like “no excuses why you can’t be all in, right now, right this minute”. They usually seem to be at the same level of the eating disorder when it comes to the harshness and intensity (which I understand will work for some). But they honestly always make me feel awful for not having gone all in and like I’m somehow not recovering as well or as quickly as others. I think that it’s so great that they found something that’s working for them, but to assume it’s one size fits all recovery and to be lacking in nuance feels a bit unfair to the range of recovered experiences. I think all in can be a great approach for many but not right away for some and maybe w a little more compassion for ourselves and others (not for the ED).
Mia, your advice is always so level headed and balanced, without a doubt a benefit gained from your extensive experience as an ED recovery coach. I started watching your content years ago when I was struggling with an eating disorder and it helped me a ton then. It's great to see how you're still putting out great content and helping people now. Thanks for being a mature voice in the ED community.
Literally scrolling through your old videos trying to decide which one rewatch when this notification popped up 😍😍❤❤
Calling her a trailblazer is irresponsible. Stephanie promotes her eating disorder while also being in denial about having an eating disorder. All in was nothing short of binge-eating. Please, if you're going to inform the public, be accurate and careful. This discussion should have been about how eating disorders manifest in many ways (mostly beneath) your awareness. Stephanie is an example of rationalizing your problems into cures.
I absolutely LOVE your considered, intelligent, individualised approach. You always remember everyone's symptoms, triggers, personality type, experience is unique to them (albeit, admittedly many parallels also). Therefore everyone's route to the future in which they are living by and with the guidance of their 'true' /'healthy' self is different. Just like every baby cannot be raised in a one size fits all approach. When watching some recovered coaches, as much as I know they are intending to help, they assume their experience and reasons for an ED, and what helped them is what is 'right' for everyone. Therefore, anything different is shamed or simply identified as 'wrong' /not 'true recovery'. It can be deflating/ increase my belief and the negative self talk that I'm getting it wrong /failing/not doing it right, when I happen upon a advocate who is insistent that how they understand their eating disorder and how it manifest /what worked(or is a means to freedom) for them, applies to everyone else. I so so appreciate you mia. Love you and wish you were my coach. Xxx
Yes to building up foundations! My dietician use to say that everything you add on your meal plan (ofc it depends on the diagnosis/where you’re at but I was in hospital for AN) is like a brick you add on the recovery wall. And it has to be really solid to build trustworthy foundations, if at this stage you “follow you intuition” or try to do it all at once but end up eating very well one day, not at all the other, it won’t take you anywhere & the wall will just crumble. Consistency guys!!!! Thanks Mia for your balanced and wise reaction x
My fear about so many people trying the "all-in" approach is the lack of emphasis on the need for medical monitoring. Although it may be safe for some, even most people it doesn't account for the symptoms of refeeding, or refeeding syndrome. For some people with AN or other restrictive eating disorders going all-in could be very dangerous or even deadly.
It can be dangerous. I didnt do good in residential treatment because it was an all in type of thing.
Yes I was monitored daily but I did not feel good at all.
I was having way more body issues in treatment than out of treatment.
The dietitian kept telling me "your body can handle this amount of food! I promise! So you dont need to puke to manage!"
I ate so much and I'd stand up and itd come up.
My inspiration to stay healthy is my treatment experience.
I dont ever wanna do that ever again
I did Minnie Maud for a couple months and after that, started all in. I got used to bigger, more sufficient portions, and i think that helped me to be able to be more intuitive. I still eat 'minimuns' (meals and snacks, not calories), but i feel way more free. I understand it is not for everyone , but for me it's the best thing that I did!
An approach similar to all in, or just eating intuitively, has been helpful to me in my recovery, but it’s true it came at a later stage. I think when I had been eating regularly for a while, and especially when I quit certain substances I was using, my healthy mind took the driving seat and I felt more at ease being more loose and unrestricted with my eating, to a point where now my eating disorder thoughts are manageable and my disordered behaviors mostly gone. Your videos have been really helpful Mia, so I thank you for everything you do
I loved hearing more about the implementation of intuitive eating and how it is most beneficial in the right situations. The part about how the disordered mind thinking there’s a tiger/lion in the house, but it’s actually just a fly and you have to show it’s a fly made a lot of sense and rly stuck with me. I loved that whole section. So interesting, and my fav part of the video! Thanks so much for your hard work and diligence!
And THIS is why I love you. You're objective whilst supportive. You humanize disorders whatever they may be.
I was really interested in your viewpoint - I started watching a few of her videos a month or so ago, and after those (and other "all in" videos) decided to cease my meal plan as I knew I was hungrier than that and feeling really unable to break free of what felt like a whole new set of food rules, however still wasn't able to fully engage in an "all in" approach either. After a bit of a struggle with a lost place that included deciding to return to exercise too soon and then discovering I wasn't able to safely do that either, I feel like I am only now committed to "all in" or "intuitive" - and am discovering it to be really uncomfortable - it is like starting all over again, but from a larger body. I guess the appeal of "all in" was that it can be made to look like so much fun - and it was such a shock to find myself in as much (or even deeper) hell as I had been before.
How are you now?
Really enjoyed this video I think it was really balanced and well explained. As someone who has followed Stephanie for a long time even when I was in the thick of my ED, I found this video really great because she’s done such an amazing thing for herself and sharing her journey with us, the highs and lows, and we know she’s done a lot of academic research about nutrition, body function and general physiology, but it isn’t a one size fits all and I know full well that if I’d launched into all in back when I was in active treatment, my mind wouldn’t have coped with it. It’s about really keeping a balance, looking after your mind as well as your body in recovery, but I think she’s an absolute inspiration with what she’s shown us all. Also the tiger being a fly analogy was brilliant gonna keep that in my wheelhouse!
Glad it helped Sophie!
Thank you for this. People saying that if you aren't all in you aren't truly in recovery has really been affecting me as I'm not able to do that yet for multiple reasons. Everyone has a slightly different approach that works for them in recovery
i love Stephanie and have been an avid follower of you both. i was really heartened to hear your observations about her body of work. i think she’s been incredibly brave, too, and she’s offered a really helpful vision of recovery in reaal time. and i really appreciate that you underscore the fact that recovery is very individual, even though there are patterns and similarities among recovered and recovering individuals’ expEriences. All in has not been the approprite approach for me, but ive gleaned a lot of insights and benefitted from everything she’s shared. Love and appreciate your work, Mia!,,
Thanks so much Kristy!
Awesome video!
Re: all in and intuitive eating, I feel the all in approach is different to intuitive eating, as all in is more in line with allowing extreme hunger and promoting unrestricted eating (at times perhaps remaining accountable to say minnie maud minimum guidelines). I viewed her as doing this to start then along her journey as everything has returned towards a more regulated and homeostatic state, she has naturally come back to intuitive eating.
For me, from chronic anorexia (binge-purge subtype), I tried intuitive eating when I used this as restriction which would predictably lead to binge-purge cycles. It was only actually quite recently (say the past month) when, after another relapse, I basically forced myself into unrestricted eating, which meant allowing extreme hunger (which is tremendous more often than not) and basically looks like an all-in approach.
Intuitive eating I feel will be a way off as I know I need to be more than fine with food and also have my weight increase and return to (for me) a healthy range. Unrestricted eating and a continuous commitment to recovery facilitates weight gain and neural rewiring (I feel this is paramount to full recovery).
Whatever behaviour is manifested (i.e. this is where health professionals and media tend to categorise 'disorders' such as anorexia vs bulimia vs binge eating - they are all driven by restriction thus essentially are all restrictive eating disorders) needs to be counteracted with unrestricted eating and commitment to not suppressing body weight (of course each body reacts differently to illness and looks differently during health - thus HAES is absolutely a thing though hard and confronting for most of society to accept).
Just some thoughts from my experience - hopefully I haven't rambled and there is some sense within my experience.
May I finish with saying thank you - you are so exquisitely eloquent in describing the phenomenon that is an eating disorder, and you bring a sense of humour that allows for a laugh amongst such deep and often tumultuous subject matter.
☺️
@roseandpeach upon reflection I feel that all in/extreme hunger is also eating intuitively, cause it's just following your mind and body (physical and mental hunger). I fear my text above tries to distinguish the two, and I realise now that it is all the same - intuitive eating is literally just eating however you want (being guided truthfully by your mind, body and soul - this could look like HUGE amounts for people who, for whatever reason, their bodies deem appropriate, with zero judgement). So I do apologise for this!
To answer your question, now with my revised awareness (apologies), then yup, intuitively eating (which still looks like, despite this being my subjective opinion, a heck load of food). I feel that if one does not have many physical hunger cues (sometimes I still don't, or my anxiety squashes it), they will probably have a lot of mental hunger (thinking about food, what to eat, when to eat, even anorexic/restrictive rules creeping into this, what they are yesterday or an hour before or 5 minutes before). When i do that, I tend to understand now I need to eat, as it is usually always the answer (and then I stop thinking along those lines and my brain tends to want to direct me to anything else). I will eat until I am guided (not in a restrictive way, and if I am still unsure, I keep eating until I feel that switch of yep I'm done and my brain is now directing me to another task or TV or book) to realise I am done. Again, I have to get super honest with myself and remind myself of unrestricted eating and commitment to recovery and then I usually can determine if I actually do want to genuinely eat more or I actually am fine for the moment.
So short answer, I guess it is all intuitive and this will look different for literally everyone. The main thing is to not judge the hunger, not compare to anyone else, and get SUPER honest with yourself and your recovery goal/aim. Like call your own bullshit, so to speak, else there's no point in recovery, as you'll remain cheating yourself from the very realistic and achievable total recovery, where it isn't even a consideration to restrict, and only perhaps a memory of a period of time, which has no influence on your thought-feeling-action feedback cycle whatsoever.
Sorry for the ramble. Hopefully this helps? And helps clarify with my understanding of intuitive eating on reflection.
Re: adopting a healthier relationship with food - I feel that absolutely yes it is. This to me, means honouring my hunger, however this looks. Whatever the type and quantity of food. And this will, in time (most likely) change, as the body changes and everything changes. :)
@roseandpeach you're so welcome. Re binging - I feel that the term itself can be a judgement. It's literally your mind and body doing what it needs to do to regain ultimate balance. If things have been 'our of whack' so to speak, the only way to get back to whatever balance your unique body wants is to swing the other way (i.e. what we think of as binging - Tabitha Farrar referred to this as just feast eating as the body doing it's wonderful job). Ergo, binging can be an unhelpful way to view it, as your body probably just wants you to eat unrestrictedly and without any diet behaviour or mindset. It feels scary and 'our of control' but it is your wonderful body just doing its job ☺️
@@Em.jay.00 hey, how are you now? Updates?
Great video thank you I learn so much from you 😊 I’m a dietitian and we just don’t get enough education on EDs during school.
I don’t work with people with EDs directly but it’s important for us dietitians to be able to spot when someone is struggling so we can refer out.
I used to work in a hospital near a recovery clinic so we got a lot of inpatient ED sufferers who were too sick to go to the center and man.... the nurses were just not trained to take care of those patients. We need to teach our healthcare workers more about ED and how to treat patients with it.
Anyway, soap box over, thank you for all that you do 💜
You're amazing! I don't know much about Stephanie Buttermore or at all about the fitspo side of the internet but I really enjoy your videos from a psych grad perspective.
So incredibly relieved people have your voice on CZcams speaking informed and experienced sense!! I’m not a fan of all these “recovery” channels popping up all over the place with semi disordered messages but lots of young vulnerable followers 😕.... I have been deeply worried by one account recently offering coaching without any training to her young followers.... I actually don’t know what to do (I don’t want to name and shame) but if you DM me on Instagram perhaps I can show you.... I feel some kind of safeguarding is needed 🤷🏻♀️
Very concerning! I don't think I've come across that person.
My recovery coincided with getting into law school and knowing that I will be moving away from home and that people won't be around to notice me. This prospect of safety triggered extreme hunger and the fact I was moving so far away from people who contributed to my ED. During extreme hunger, I was constantly reminding myself that it's just how things are supposed to go. Back then, the only source on this online was youreatopia ( at the time, there were no ED clinics in the country I lived in). I can't even find the website now....
Anyway, I wasn't very informed but I got through it and I am sure it allowed me to kick many behaviours to the curb for the most part. I would have been over the moon if there was someone like Stephanie chronicling their extreme hunger journey.
Thank you for this video! I started following Stephanie after the announcement of her going all in. I love that she shares the journey so well, although that approach personally wouldn’t work for me at this time.
That's totally fine, different people different paths.
Stephanie is the reason why I decided to go all in and see how unhealthy I was. I remember dieting and taking Stephanie as a "fitspo" since we have the same height and were aiming for the same weight and aesthetic goals. At that point I was completely out of control around food and knew there was something wrong. When I saw all of her videos on this topic I felt validated. I felt it was okay to gain weight and I finally started to honor my hunger and stay away from the diet culture. I still struggle with body image but am fully committed to keep going. I never miss a video of her because she went from being my "fitspo" to my inspiration to a healthier life without restricting. She is so brave and I truly admire her.
Me too! I started following her a few years ago because she was my fitspo but when she started getting really lean is started worrying about her! So glad she went all in! And sometimes I can’t watch her because she is very focused on aesthetic and she looks WAY BETTER than I do after a year of “all in” but I still find her very motivational and inspiring.
Having been going all in for 5 months and I've gained 15kgs. My weight remains stable about a month ago. It is truly a challenging process. And I freaked out for a few times. It makes me realize that I'm so weak.
It's true that maybe we can choose another gentle and slow way to recover considering our mental health. But since I chose it, I will persist and try not to relapse. Hope I can be mentally stronger.
miller katharine I don’t mean to take away from your feelings but you are clearly not a weak person; it sounds like you are doing amazing! It is all so hard But by muddling through it (there is no way to do it perfectly or even gracefully), you are showing that you are very strong and brave to work through the inevitable struggles. I’m 45 years old and I’ve never been able to make it through as far as you have. Hang in there sister! 💛
@@amyevans5273 Thank you so much! I'm so encouraged! Glad to see you there.
Hi, how are you now? I hope you are better.
Thank you for this helpful video! I personally found going "all in" for a month really helpful but it worked better for me to go to a dietitian and learn about what a normal eating pattern is like, while making sure not to lose any more weight. I'm weight restored now, for nearly a year!! and I'm still working on my recovery, as it is a long process. It's a journey that is so worth the effort.
This is my first video watching of yours and I have been following Steph for a few years now but wow you shook me to my core and gave me even more appreciation for Stephanie's decision change when u were talking about how other influencers are scared to do that for the sake of their career and following. It's amazing to think she might be the turn around the fitness industry needs for other influencers in her past position to do the same , thanks for making this vid, giving you a follow :))
I totally agree with you, although I like her content, I realised pretty quickly that the all in approach is not for me because if I'm gonna eat whatever I want whenever I want it's gonna be food that will make me gain more weight and ik this from experience. I think the all in approach could be helpful for people who have been very strict with themselves, who have restricted for way too long but some of us need to take a different approach like eating healthier, lesser. Because overeating is a thing too. But it's working for Stephanie coz she's restricted for so long. And it's working well for her coz she's not overweight. A person who's 300 pounds can't go all in because they'll not gain anything from that.
This was really interesting! When she first announced it I was shocked! ☺️
I tried all in for a few months. It did help me heal a lot of my ED mentality around food being "good" and "bad." Eventually all the weight gain made me extremely depressed to the point where I couldn't get out of bed. I switched back to a meal plan and allow myself flexibility with it when I need to. For me it was both a good and bad experience.
How are you doing now? What approach has helped you now looking back? I’m on the pendulum right now, wanting to go all aim, buying the foods undesired, eating so so much of it, fearing the weight gain, and then purging again 😔
@@allie2342 I'm on a meal plan right now and I feel like I'm making really good progress, especially around challenging my ED thoughts and beliefs. The problem with "all in" is that it only addresses the food and it doesn't address the very important mental component. It's not technically an ED recovery protocol, it's more for those who have lost their period or who want to stop dieting. Eating disorders are mental illness and you can't treat them by just eating and never addressing the mental part. Now that I am working on deeply rooted issues around body image, identity and self worth, I feel I am well on my way to being recovered. I highly suggest getting a therapist or coach who can help you find a recovery approach that works for you.
I agree with everything in this video! When I first started recovery from anorexia, I just tried to go all in and follow my extreme hunger (pretty much did Minnie maud. People in that community made me feel like that was the only way to recover and I got a bit brainwashed by the whole thing). A few
months later, my ED went mad. It all happened too fast, I couldn’t handle it. Now we are a few years down the line and I have pretty severe bulimia with phases of restriction and I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if I had taken a slower approach to recovery the first time.
Mia, would you consider doing a video about Minnie Maud/Homeodynamic Recovery Method? I think that whole community can actually be dangerous and can make people feel like they are doing something wrong if they gain weight slowly and challenge food gradually.
Sorry to hear about your story Tamsin, sounds really overwhelming. I hope you're getting the support and resources you need to recover.
Rebecca thank you 💛
Tamsin me too ^ 💖
Thank you for this video Mia! I’d love to see more videos on the Fitness Industry in general. Kayla Rose from ‘Damn the Diets’ exposes a lot about the Fitness Industry and the behaviours I’ve heard of are so extremely toxic.
I’m so proud of Stephanie and I know she’s gained so much from doing this while inspiring others, including me. I felt like I finally had permission to eat whatever I wanted and to stop restricting. Anytime I’ve seen a hate comment, my reaction is pity. It’s so sad that they think that way and can’t see the amazing impact of her courageous actions.
100% agree. she is totally and completely inspiring to everyone in recovery right now.
exactly yes! in my anorexia recovery, I knew I could not do intuitive eating right off the bat because my hunger cues simply were not there (or rather, I was unable to recognize them). I also had been in a strict habit of only eating very specific foods and food groups in specific quantities, so the idea of putting together my own meal from "intuition" was impossible; I didn't know what I liked, I didn't know what I wanted, I couldn't notice when I was hungry or not hungry. And also, my stomach was tightened from the restriction, so if I had stopped when I was full, I never would have eaten enough. Following a meal plan loosely and taking things slow was the only approach for me, but after a few months, my body and mind rewarded me with being able to eat intuitively and fully respond to my extreme hunger :)
Incredibly insightful. Thank you for your thoughts. I found your thoughts on the dangers of entering intuitive eating / "all-in" particularly helpful. I personally was unaware of Stephanie or the "all-in" approach. I do have the intuitive eating book and workbook. I have read the book but have yet to really give it a try in implementing it into my life. I think I have been afraid to because I am afraid of listening to my intuition - I am afraid to know what it says and unsure of how to interpret and confront it.
Psychologist here :) Just wanted to say I really really like your point of view and how you approach the topic :) always refreshing to hear someone promote some actual helpfull and insightfull tipps 👍🏻
I've heard the terms of cutting and bulking used mostly around bodybuilders. Bulking - increasing your intake and the amount you lift to build a lot of muscle, but also getting a lot of fat. And cutting - decreasing your intake and switching your working out routine in order to lose the extra fat gained but to keep the muscle mass
Just subscribed to you about a week ago but I’ve already watched a lot of your videos. I’ve recovered from my ED for 4 years now and listening to your thoughts and opinions about these types of topics has been really great! Thought I’d just let you know that☺️
You teach me something new every time I watch one of your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and intelligence ❤️
You are so welcome!
I have been doing the healthy thin mentality on a website called diets don't work. I was fasting a lot last year, got a back injury and then couldn't work out and it messed me up so I decided to do a way with diets once and for all so I could recover from the injury. It's similar to the all in mentality. I only craved about 2k to 3k calories a day, and I am 5'9. I was no where near as cut or as thin as this gal. When my body caught up with its needs and repairing from all the diets and also my accident, I felt amazing! I am able to work out and my weight is starting to come back down and I crave less calories. I think Stephanie's was so extreme because her body really needed a lot more for repair. It is so brave of her to share it with us. But the beautiful thing is you can get off the diet train and your body will make th adjusts it needs to... and you'll feel better than ever! I did have anorexia when I was younger. The only way I got over the binge cycle was to not take on a diet or exercise or restriction after. I never purged so that's another level I don't know. The healthy thin mentality really put a person in tune with their body. Its amazing
So this is what it’s like being early. I should do all nighters more often
NeverDoubtThePowerOfAlliteration Ily 😂
Loved this! One clarification is that Stephanie made a video stating she never lost her period, but I think she made that specifically because there was so much confusion surrounding that note. 💕
Oh I am so glad I’ve stumbled across your CZcams channel. I’ve been following Stephanie since before her all in journey and really respect her.
Thank you so much!
“It’s up for a job review and it’s going to get fired” 😂
so excited to see your next vid, wish you were my recovery coach ahaha!! x
"We have to meet people where THEY are". You are so brilliant
Good video, thanks Mia.
I am so pleased Stephanie put this stuff out there and was so brave in showing her struggles in a warts and all way. I might've even got itchy eyes myself watching her in tears when her mum said hurtful things about her weight and when she was struggling with being in a bigger body. And then she's had to endure a lot of flak from people who just don't understand what it's like. She's been an inspiration to me and I'm sure many others.
I kinda started doing a similar 'all in' approach a few months before her, and while I made a bunch of mistakes along the way, and I'm still struggling with a few things, I don't regret it - my relationship with food now is better than it has been in years and I think my personal relationships with family have improved out of sight too. But I know what you're saying that it might not work for everyone. And it has it's downsides. Like, I was never really an emotional eater before but I think that my initial responses to 'extreme hunger' (which was absolutely out of control batshit insane early on) kind of evolved over time into habitual binging to cope with emotions - which I am still struggling with now to a certain degree, even though I am physically rehabilitated (I've gained a lot of weight, which is still sometimes difficult to cope with) and am not restricting at all, and have virtually no fear foods left. I feel so emotionally fragile sometimes that the tiniest thing can set me off and get me eating every bit of treat food I can find in the cupboard or fridge. I can't help but feel that maybe if I'd done things a different way, maybe this wouldn't have happened, but I guess it's just the next thing I've gotta work through.
Anyway... it's good to hear a somewhat positive review of her stuff because in the fitness community (which I am far less immersed in these days, thankfully) there is still so much negativity around it, and so much black and white thinking. Very few 'influencers' actually promote balance and a healthy relationship with food and it's bloody toxic.
All in sounds so scary, especially given the huge weight gain in the case of Stephany. She is so strong and such an inspiration, I could never do what she is doing now!
I think we should follow a meal plan at the start of recovery. And once we get comfortable with eating. We go all in. Or start intuition eating
This can definitely be a great start to recovery and works for lots of people.
I was diagnosed with anorexia 47 years ago. I’d say, although in long term recovery, I can still have moments of wanting to restrict. I catch it always but it’s still there. Nothing about Stephanies videos triggered me but, like you say.. in one of those weak moments intuitive (or all in) eating would be a dangerous idea... for me. As long as I’m feeling very peaceful and calm (which doesn’t happen often with an anxiety disorder).. maybe...
Great video, very eloquently spoken. Good point about intuitive eating and timing. Thanks! (PS You look beautiful and I like your shirt)
...I think I'm going all in tomorrow. Wish me luck
This video is so thorough and wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing
This is my first time watching your videos. Really like your approach.
I honestly didn’t like her 10,000 calorie challenges but she had such an amazing personality that I couldn’t help but watch her. I’m glad she has found balance and am surprised people were so harsh towards her. Calling her obese? I mean. I had no appreciation there was this level of madness in the world. I feel sorry for my poor child who has to function in this madness. It actually takes work to be ‘normal’. 😔
The response from the fitness world is wild, that's for sure!
What Mia Did Next It’s frightening to raise a child now. You have to be looking for a million and one signs of all sorts of conditions. So many ways to hate your body.
My dietician has told me that a lot of the symptoms that were once believed to be unique to eating disorders, actually have to do with starvation. (But everyone is a unique case). That is probably why she was so hungry and food driven all the time.
Absolutely, the Minnesota Starvation Experiment tells us something very important about the physiological effects of starvation.
Hi Mia, I've been trying to commit to all in (the minnie maud recovery method) for 2.5 years and have gained about 20 kg in the process. But have been stuck in diet-binge behavior for about 6 months now. I'm actually a bit "overweight" now. I don't think this recovery method works for me because I just can't deal with the massive weight gain. I would love to see a video on other recovery methods that don't include gaining a ton of weight before settling at a healthy normal weight. Is there any chance for such a video? Love your content! 💗
I suggest you work with an ED dietician. The goal is not to restrict but to eat regular balanced meals . This is what I’m doing. I’m following structured eating, eating every 3 hrs. Definitely not an all in approach. There will be some weight fluctuations but not like if you did the all in approach
You want the shortcut. There‘s no such thing. You‘ll get stuck in quasi recovery for life.
@@franchipaniiii5547 I'm not looking for a shortcut. I'm looking for a method of recovery without the massive weight gain because I'm not able to do it that way. Minnie maud isn't the only way to recover from an ED. So I'm just asking if she knows any other methods.
I second what Sarah said. If you are able to work with a dietician who works with people with EDs, that would probably be the most helpful.
I had no idea what this was about...bc I don't do social media either! Good info. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow I think Mia has such wisdom
Thank you!
Thank you for speaking up about this 🧡👍🌷🙏🏻😊
Emma and Ellie Abrahamson. Former D1 NCAA runners addressed these issues as well.
Your video from three years ago turned me off from bingeing. Thank you so much🙏
Loved the video, but if it's possible, would you please be able to provide a trigger warning before clips of body checks? I found it to be very triggering!
Hey Mia, can you take another look at her Instagram? I would love to know if you had any updated thoughts on her all in journey
This added a lot of context thank you so much!
I'm so glad!
Why am I only now finding your channel everything you been saying is what I talk about to my clients I just was never good at “social media” my point lol
Thanks for sharing. I totally agree about intuitive eating and rehab. Intuitive eating has its place but NOT early in the rehab process. You must create new pathways in the beginning.
I'm not sure what Buttermore's message is. She yo-yo diets, binges, and obsesses over her abs. I'm not sure she's a positive voice in this community.
the difference between all in and intuitive eating is that in all in approaches there is a minimum calorie intake of about 2500 and eating regularly.
I really hate the vicious bulk-cut cycle that is the norm now and I was on a long cut then trying to lean bulk but it's hard to get back to a cut after getting used to actually eating normally. I just want to live a normal life and eat well but stay lean instead of having to go through the cycle every day of my life to eat then starve then eat and then starve. There has to be a better way.
Off topic, but your earrings are gorgeous
I really enjoyed this. Thank you!
Would love your thoughts on whole 30 “food freedom” program
Would love to see a follow up video now
Esp considering her latest video regarding it
It's important to recognize that Steph didn't come from having an eating disorder. Her situation is completely different than someone who has clinical anorexia. She's also a scientist and knew exactly what she was doing in order to correct her own hormonal issues
I was hoping to hear your opinion on this! ❤️
And I sooooo agree with every point you made. You are such an inspiration!
I feel that it's not great when she says she eats a large amount of snacks when she's not even hungry.
Could this be a response to mental hunger or cravings? In which case maybe she is actually hungry... I feel like it's not great when we try to overthink hunger cues and 'reasons' for eating. Why is it bad to eat a 'large' amount of food? Sometimes you just have to eat and not think about it too much.
Why? Isn't it her choice to eat whenever she wants whether she is hungry or not? We do not only consume food in order to satisfy hunger, there are many reasons we crave food. Also I haven't actually heard her talking about that for quite some while and in the beginning of going all in its normal to respond to mental hunger this way. But why do you feel you need to police how many snacks she is eating whether hungry or not?
okay but what about her constantly editing her current all in progress photos? do you think that is a good message to send!?!
Thank you so much for this
This was really helpful. Thanks for making such an informative video. I (believe that I) am in the process of recovery, and what hinders me most from becoming generous to food in terms of both quantity and quality (kinds of food) is the bloating that I inevitably get after eating more than usual or eating something that I probably won't choose to eat if it was all up to me. I do weigh myself but my mind and behavior are less determined by weight per se but more by what I can see when I look down upon my belly and how much I feel stuffed or bloated. So, my question is -- I know that when I start eating more, my body will hold onto those foods harder than it needs to and I will experience swelling, bloating, and physical and mental discomfort and this fluid retention will occur around my belly. Would this swollen tummy go away at any point? Will the weight be relatively more evenly distributed later? When I'm in it, it seems like it won't forever. And my rock-hard, ballooned tummy looks not only unhealthy but also even sick, definitely more so than a flat one. I feel like I can overcome this fear if somebody comes in and tell me "I guarantee this swelling is temporary and your tummy will be free from such a round curve in X months." Sorry about the long comment but I'm really struggling with this 😢
I tried all in and what happened is I gained weight but the neural rewiring part did not happen so I freaked out and lost all the weight and now I am trying a meal plan again.
I'm a neuro giving a medical perspective, having worked in state hospital wards specializing in eating disorders. We do NOT recommend this "all in"/ 100% intuitive eating approach for recently-diagnosed ED patients, for the reasons you mentioned. I'd caution Buttermore's fans about following her example. It strikes me that her focus is not ED recovery. Her goal (& occupation) seems to be entertaining social media audiences with dramatic 'journey' narratives she creates by losing & gaining weight. Standard of care treatment varies across different EDs, but generally we advise eating to satiety within a set of guidelines based on the patient's body, lifestyle & health. I'm not a counsellor so perhaps this "all in" approach is used occasionally in later stages of treatment by therapists & social workers supporting patients after discharge, rather than where I work (on a multi-physician inpatient team focused on saving the lives of the most acutely ill ED patients).