NBA Legends Argue Who Is The GOAT: Michael Jordan or LeBron James
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Stats, games played, minutes played, rings won, position...to many variables. Who is the better player? Watch the highlights on both and see who you'd rather watch. LeBron is a beast obviously very exciting to watch, but if I have to pay money, I'm going to see MJ. MJ was doing stuff that is just unmatched. Never seen a human play with the level of finess Mike played with to this day. It was not earthly the things he was doing on the floor. LeBron don't have that style of play, like watching a ballerina vs. a linebacker.
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to ask Bill Laimbeer whos better between Jordan and LeBron?! 😂
Because of these debate that says MJ the goat lebron's greatness is unappreciated
better question... will ANY player from the 80s or 90s ever say any player in the future was the best ever?
Chances are slim.
I seen a lot of Jordan games I'm 42 when u watched Jordan play u can feel the energy it was a crazy feeling when Labron plays I don't feel nothing n I like Lebron... Jordan hands down 🐐....
Let’s not forget that Phil sat jordan from 95 to 98 in all 4th quarters when they were up 20 plus points. Still average the 30.
The old school way of resting your stars
Was blowing out weaker teams in 3 quarters and resting your stars in the fourth
Now these teams sit out games and disappoint that kid that came for his only chance to see his favorite player
@@ronnies5900 it's disappointing to not see your favorite player not destroy the other team from beginning to end too.
@@veganpotterthevegan
Not really when your up 30 in the 4th quarter
Teams have always benched the stars
Its called garbage time
You got what you paid for
Unlike not seeing them play at all
@@ronnies5900 definitely not true MJ(and most greats) have definitely had huge point totals in stat padding blowouts.
They played against non athletic players it’s advanced now. Bron in Miami was doing bottle flips in the 4th qr damn near all season
honestly forget who’s better i respect them both for what they have done for the culture of basketball and the role model’s they are around the world. with the competition both players played they would both respectfully lose there 1A 1B ranking in my opinion
Fact no cap 🧢
Jordan would have been to the NBA FINALS (94"-95") if he wasn't forced to retire. Which would have been 5 straight Championships, plus (96"-98") now you at 8? Now you have (99"-01") 11 Championships...?
Jordan is Superman and LeBron is Batman and both are Great
Why do people always just skip Kobe like he’s not in the middle of these 2💯💯💯
Because he is not there. Kobe was a great player, but not a goat or even close
@@Thehulkster375 wtf are u smoking kid u said he’s not a goat bruh ur lying ur ass off Kobe better then Lebron just not mike
He was always a goat dummy 🤣
Kobe is number two big brother MJ he always put him at 1 no disrespect Mamba Never Out!
@@archiearnobit nope kobes like #7 or #8
I don’t get it like the guy who’s literally damn near number 1 in every stat is not the greatest I don’t get it you can’t say he doesn’t score or have killer instinct he’s about to be number 1 in scoring fym
Last response was spot on 👌 💯
Scottie Pippen is insanely jealous and bitter towards Michael Jordan...
Pretty much. Lebron isn’t even in the goat conversation
@@nashwalker7 How is he not in the conversation when the literal GOAT debate is between him and MJ??
@@darkknight6219 it’s hyperbole. Of course he’s in the conversation. But he is not the greatest of all time. Lebron’s biggest flaw has been his mind. Michael was an assassin. Lebron is not.
@@nashwalker7 so In 1995 versus the magic he was a assassin or 00-02 statistically bron is the leader for game winning go ahead shots for the playoffs
@@dre3607 not a good argument. I didn’t say he was perfect but damn close. He annihilated the magic the following year. Which is what Jordan was also really good at: revenge. He is 6-0 in the finals. Lebron is 4-6 in the finals. Literally loses to the warriors again if kyrie Irving’s prayer of a 3 pointer doesn’t go in. Or the fact that he got a championship from that glorified pickup basketball tournament in the bubble. With all of this, He is a great player. One of the greatest. But he is not close to Michael Jordan. They couldn’t win until he quit. You can’t say that about Lebron.
Michael Jordan without even thinking hard
no way
Patrick Ewing said it best for me!! He truly broke it down!!
Way more competition this generation than last years. Just old heads being old heads and hating on this generation. Anyone arguing this should get they’re eyes checked
Nobody is more serious and better than Jordan stop it
mj being less than perfect in his early career = meh, he's learning
lebron being less than perfect early in his career = you see?! thats why he sucks!
Shit is sad and hypocritical
Lebron played 2 different eras and he dominated them. The Bigman era 00's and the 3 point era
And how did he dominate the 3-point era....?
@@chrisselorm3672 LOL i was about to say? Didn’t GSW just won number 4? LOL this dude is on some saltwater!!!!
And still has less rings than Jordan….
Lebron dominated the 3 point era?? 😂🤣 bron can’t even shoot and you wanna say he dominated the era
Everytime they ask whos the goat and why they say Jordan because he can get a bucket….
MJ accomplished more while playing less seasons
Lebron needs at least 2 more rings if he wants to be the Goat.
So bill Russell the 🐐 great
Is it all about rings for you.. if so then Bill Russell is the Goat
@@Kese210 Um bro you don't have a clue what your talking about. Bill won his last two rings as coach which proves they didn't even need him on the court to win. Bill was a product of being on a great team. And did you know when Bill played there were only 10 teams total in the league? And don't try to tell me a guy who averaged 15 points a game for his career is better then a guy who averaged over double that. Bill rode on the bus, LeBron, Jordan, and Kobe actually drove the bus, see the difference genius? I was only making rhe point that a person needs at least 6 rings if you want to crown him the goat.
Shut up
Mj still got some more to get russ got 11
Michael Jordan
This was never a debate but it’s still a cash cow 🥱
Defending the best players?… ever notice wen we say mj stop hall of famers from winning name them i bet they dont even play his position.. team sport when mj left they won 50 plus games witout him wen bron leaves teams are the worse in the league
The reason that team won 50 games when he left is because MJ made a lot of those players overachieve and the best versions of themselves. He pushed his team mates to heights they wouldn’t have even dreamed of getting to without playing with him.
@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT lol do you hear yourself
@@dadadunlol6079 it’s true though
@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 surprised you ain’t delete this yet
@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT I ain’t gonna lie if they never got Phil and Tex to run the show they wasn’t gonna win no 6 rings 🤣. They would win some but they wouldn’t have won as many. Phil kept those teams together. They all hated MJ even though they respected his game.
If curry got another ring will be 1. Jordan 2. Curry 3. Lebron
MJ is The God and Lebron is one of his prophets 😳😓
Mj is playing against non 3's team if he plays now
Patrick Ewing is 100% correct
Pippen is 100% correct
Jordans the greatest, Kobes the best we’ve ever seen, lebron is great just not the best or the greatest, steph has dominated this era championship wise more than he has while taking a better route as well
Kobe is overrated buddy
@@austindavis-garcia4035 I’m from La. Kobe was my favorite player. But def overrated. Not as clutch as they say. I think Carmelo is more clutch.
Kobe has one of the worst clutch shooting percentages of all time and is #1 in most missed shots of all time. People view him higher especially now since his passing. But stats don’t lie.
@@austindavis-garcia4035 better than your favorite player
@@Stimmy_2_raw723 kobe cooked melo, chill
I would argue MJ didnt make his teammates better, Lebron did.
People outside US know NBA because o Jordan.
They’re both GOATS. Greatest can be plural. The Greatest (singular or plural) player(s) of all time. If you have 1, cool, if you have 2, 3, 4, cool, but it’s perfectly fine to have more than one if you see them as equals.
Why people can't accept that both Players are Goat, why do we need only one player to be a goat when we can have more goat to be considered.
Mj defenatly
Well , Lebron is more complete and has better numbers than M.J which makes him the G.O.A.T now if people arguments are based on the 6 rings M.J has the Bill Russell should be G.O.A.T . M.J's impact on the game and in the world is way bigger , but staticstically speaking Lebron is the best.
jordan almost accomplished more than bron in 13 seasons to brons 18 something
@@joshua3149 naw. Bunch of players get cheated out of accolades these days cause of their unwritten rule of everybody should get a chance. To earn. Mvps. Finals mvps. Defensive all nba’s.
I always compare lebron to magic instead of Jordan. And i always compare kobe in the mold of Jordan. Both are great in there own right. I break down there greatness like this Michael is the greatest individual player of all time. And lebron is the greatest all around player of all time. So with that being said nba basketball is a team game so if i had to start a franchise and gave both players the same team with no other all stars i feel like lebron could carry that team further than jordan. So thats why i think lebron is the greatest of all time. He can simply do more on the basketball court in different areas of the game thats important to team success. At the end of the day basketball is a team game
And you're a moron, people play basketball to win, LeBron is 4-6 on the finals and 20 years deep. Jordan is 6-0 in the finals and only played 15 years in the league. Yeah you said basketball is a teamsport blah blah, but with Jordon you would of won more chips. See how much you contradicted your own paragraph?
I think LeBrkn a Second hand Wheeler of Magic great comparisions
Lebron… only cause ian get to watch Jordan play I wasn’t alive I can only go off highlights and stats but I’ve seen and I’m seeing lebron play 🤷🏾♂️
Click bait on the photo he didn’t say that or you didn’t show proof he did
Mj is the goat
MJ23 is the Goat
Taking over games can only be accomplished when the coach tells the players to give the ball to the star and get out of the way, many players in the NBA are capable of taking over games if allowed to do so and don't get benched for trying to do too much, when it's all said and done, who cares it's a team sport. 🖤👽
Jordan never made the finals without Scottie enough said
? Lebron had teammates as well? League was tougher back then its soft as toilet paper today!
@Swift Moves: It’s like you conveniently want to forget the number of all stars Lebron has played with on Finals team he’s been on. Smdh
This is the dumbest comment of all time. Did you know Scottie Pippen scored 4 points, 6 points and 8 points the 1998 Finals? They could have replaced him with Rookie Tmac and still won.
@@whatwhat9004 n how many stars have costed Lebron due to injuries bozo
@@whatwhat9004 you forgot the year when Kyrie left and carried his team to the finals
Mike
We still saying “Kobe” when we shoot. I agree with the 1. Jordan 2. Kobe 3. Lebron
I’m talking legacy in my opinion
And often times we brick the shot afterwardsXD
@@2222lex no lies told 😂😂😂
All the greats …MJ
Seriously … just watch The GOD highlights , it’s music art ballet
Hakeem is 100% correct
How come the older players who have more rings than Michael are not greater than him? This just shows that all hate towards Lebron is from players who played with Michael. They want basketball to be stagnant. Players are more Wealthy, they changed the game, they are business owners, they have a voice, and they are talented, but yet they are holding on to Michael’s era. I guess they don’t want the sport to evolve. Lebron is a genius and a lot of old players are jealous because he’s great off and on the court. He doesn’t abuse and chase women like how they did.
jordan.
Jordan was 6-0 in the finals, two three peats, did all that in a 8 year span with the same team,retiring in between. Lebron 4-6 in the finals with three different teams and 1 bubble ring. If he never left Cleveland he wouldn’t have any rings. Lebron should never be in a GOAT conversation
Lebron is hands down the greatest to ever play the game. His all around game is way better than Jordan ever was. I grew up watching Jordan, but he wasn’t a great team player. Lebron can dominate and be a team player all at the same time.
He sure dominated Dallas with his big three in his time in the Miami right? Lol saltwater in this guys mouth
@Brad B ok first off stop with this average 3 point shooter during his era to make it seem like Jordan is close to as good of a three point shooter as LeBron. He’s not even close to the best post scorer during his time, please have David Robinson or any big guard him in the post. Shaq and even Magic was arguably a better finisher than him. He was the best mid-range shooter and a great defender and more consistent on that end. But LeBron is a way more impactful player on the court (literal fact). MJ averaged 20 at 40 but LeBron averaged 30 at 38 while doing more in terms of rebounding and passing( his defense was sus this year most def). Last paragraph is just clumped and I don’t know what to even say about it but I do believe Jordan is a little more clutch but LeBron is much better than him overall at everything else when you factor in the harder era and that LeBron had competition at his position unlike Jordan( like Dumars and drexler were the competition). Peak to Peak, LeBron is better at just about everything other than mid-range shooting and clutch( whatever classifies a moment as clutch). LeBron has a better peak, more impact( on court), and more consistent/longevity
@Brad B I understand but I interpreted it as if you were making the case that LeBron was a worse shooter.
@Brad B yeah jordan is clearly a better mid range shooter I’m not arguing that but it’s also true that LeBron is more impactful and a better statistical player only reason Jordan is considered greater by most is his accolades but LeBron played far harder competition
@Brad B obviously you got your opinion but the average player is obviously better now and I believe if you flip the situations LeBron would have just as much if not more success and I do believe Jordan could will those sorry cavs teams to at about 45 wins but he would have less success imo
At least Tracy knows what he’s talking about.
Jordan
Lebron always made the right play
No he didn't. stop it. Nobody always made the right play, especially Lebron.
I never seen someone always make the right play and be 4-6 in the finals. He made his team the last 10 years.. Did he make the right picks?
@@Velly2g EXACTLY!!
@@Velly2g how many people do you know have been to the finals 10 times? Nobody always makes the right play, but there's a reason why Bron has played more playoff games than MJ accounting for career length
Stop. You didn’t even watch the video
Let’s not forget lebron leads mj in all stat categories
No he doesn’t
And he played a lot more games
Michael Jordan,who else..
Ppl really funny AF talking about MJ the goat off YT highlights they watch. Meanwhile tuned into every game of Lebrons career for last 19years!!!! then criticize 😭😭
Lebron is the best player Jordan is more accomplished
Bill Russell is goat
Magic, how is Lebron dominating in this era when he is getting dominated by his contemporaries time and time again. And I do not agree with him being the best all-around player. That would be MJ too.
And then Shaq, how many people had more career points than MJ? And were they considered better? NO, so that argument is weak. That is just another case of moving the goal post for his legacy.
Bill Laimbeer, you said Lebron came into the league and his team was winning. What year are you talking about? Because people are always giving MJ a hard time about getting swept in the playoffs when he first came into the league, but the REAL TRUTH is Lebron didn't even make the playoffs until his 3RD YEAR. So how is that coming into the league and your team is winning? That actually applies to MJ. He came in and took his team to the playoffs and improved their record. And NEVER MISSED A PLAYOFF until after he went to the WIzards where he had very little, and ZERO Hall of Famers. Yet Lebron has 4 other HOF's, All-Stars, former champs, on his team and couldn't make the play-in. And that right there speaks volumes to alot of things that people say about him. Leadership, High IQ, making his teammates better. After last season, all of these things should be questioned.
Finally !! Someone with a actual brain talking smart and fare u made my day brother 🤝🏾
@@yvens_2christ Absolutely
This is awful 🤮
How can you be the best all around if your not good a shooting 3 or passing and fam if dominating is losing in the playoffs every year for seven straight seasons then lebron is definitely the goat
If he’s such a great leader why did you punch his teammate Steve Kerr and yes he did have 4 hof but one was injured and the other played like crap and bron himself didn’t even play that much
Lebron is better or you blind honestly... MJ have a better legacy but he played in the best team ever , best GM, best coach.
Facts.
Lebron has lost in finals 6 times and has never won a championship without a super team. It’s not even a conversation.
@@nashwalker7 Bruh he played Spurs and Warriors never MJ played those teams lvl
Lebron ain’t have a coach like Phil Eric S was a good coach to Bron
@@nashwalker7 Well, maybe that's because he's only faced super teams? Aside from Dallas, for most of his career he's had to deal with a Tim Duncan and Tony Parker led Spurs dynasty and a Warriors dynasty with Curry and Durant. Before that, he was basically carrying the Cavs single-handedly. Also you cannot tell me MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, and later Rodman ISN'T a super team. Believe it or not, you need teammates to win a championship. Look at MJ before 1990. Dude was posting obscene numbers and still getting bumped in the first round. It's impossible to do it alone.
I have never seen MJ walked out with 5 minutes left of the game because his team is losing.
You haven't watch enough Jordan games lol
@@tonybaloney8208 id like to see that sir. lol
@@tonybaloney8208 I watch Micheal Jordan play in his prime 90s he never gave up on his team! This is a fact
💯
bro wtf does that have to do with anything 😂😂
Why people waste time discussing this topic. Wow
Nobody ever got shot for a pair of LeBrons n Tom Brady isn't the LeBron of football....
This notion that when LeBron passes Kareem, that'll make him the GOAT is absurd. Karl Malone passed MJ on the scoring list, and no one ever confused him as the GOAT !
MJ was never the GOAT. It's about accumulated accolades. Chips aren't everything Malone has zero. Bron's greatness is based on his all around ability. He got double the assists of MJ with a better assist to turnover ratio. His longevity is a factor too. He's 52k minutes into his career and look how he played. MJ retired with 41k minutes and he was a shell of himself.
Yeah but it's also F Karl Malone so... 🤷🏿♂️
9 straight final runs
6 losses.
Mj
This last shit debate is trash when Lebron has more buzzer beaters and more points within the last 2 minutes of a close out game! Do we just forget stats when its MJ vs Bron
Lebron easily I grew up in both graduated 02
Magic stop it MJ got what Kenton don’t got unbelievable drive and will to win and never had that I quit or look beat ever in his face or his game. If he lost he just lost never quit.
Didn't hear, Scottie said Lebron is the GOAT
U can tell bill lambier don't know what he's talking about and he just don't like Jordan. He said lebrons teams won as soon as he came in. Jordan been to the playoffs every single year. Lebron missed the playoffs how many times?
Bill Russell =Goat
I think Jordan
Magic is the Goat period
If mike had lebron body 💀💀💀
Jordan can win only one team, but Lebron can win diff team both are great players...but for me goat is Lebron....
LeBron
You can always connect the dots between who competed against who. Watch jordan against Kobe and lebron against Kobe. It can give us an idea. Jordan never got the chance to go against prime Kobe that would have been so fun. In one on one situations if you watch the highlights Kobe cooked Bron. I still have Kobe ahead of lbj until he gets that 5th
Mj always had a good when Jordan left the bulls they won 60 something games and was 1 bad call from the the finals bron always had to carry his team but Miami if you were to bron off the cavs the first time they would be The worst team in the league you take bron off the heat they would’ve been a solid team you take bron off the cavs the Second time they would be bad and take bron off the Lakers they would be bad too🤷🏽♂️
Mike . Hands down Lebron too many no shows in big moments. Lebron is the best all around player due to his size and physique. MJ. Always defended the top players on opposing teams Lebron was usually hiding in the paint somewhere
I disagree with Lebron being the best all-around player. No, statistics, average statistics, not longevity. MJ is a better scorer, better defender. Lebron is a better rebounder, and has more assists on average. And you noticed how I did not say a better passer. Because he is not a better passer than MJ, he just passes more. He has more turnovers too on average when passing. And MJ was not as big, but was just as strong. So that size means nothing, especial when MJ has seen players his size and has dominated them.
@@ricdafric7565 I can agree with that.
@@ricdafric7565 LeBron is a much better passer than MJ ever was, don’t even try and say he’s not.
LeBron was a better defender in his prime than Jordan was in his, but MJ defended at that level longer than LBJ has. LeBron has always been asked to do more than just score, he’s alway been asked to go get 27 points, 8 rebounds and get his teammates in the game with 6,7,8 assists. LeBron carried more bum ass teams to the finals than MJ ever could, hence why MJ only went to finals once he had Phil Jackson as a coach and Scottie Pippen to bail him out.
Better player goes to LeBron.
@@ricdafric7565 Bron has more primes more points never left da court keep getting better mj took 3 yrs off cuz his team was garbage den Had to go get the greatest coach in basketball to win 6
So In 1991 when he played the lakers and Mj defended magic and they were losing until they switched Scottie on to magic then They started winning mj was never defending the best player don’t let nostalgia make you say un informed things bro
LebroN is the GOAT
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Shaq copied my top 3
take away the rings and the mvp's what is lebron great at?is he the greatest scorer ever? greatest passer ever? greatest shooter ever?the greatest ball handler?
maybe im wrong but from what i hear people are comparing points,rings and mvp not the actual play of the game.
I mean he’s gonna be the greatest scorer soon once he gets the scoring title
Anyone under 40 stop commenting
You cant speak on it
You never seen the GOAT
Highlights Don’t show the full picture
Then people under 60 should stop commenting because they never saw guys like Wilt, Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Jerry west, and more. Let me guess. That's different?
@@xWildernessss
Thats true to a point and consistent
I cant speak on them but from
The late 70s on
I can
And MJ23 is the GOAT From that point on
Because ive seen the careers of Kobe, Lebron,Magic ,Barkley, Thomas, Bird, Shaq
etc
@@xWildernessss
Btw how old are you?
I bet you a youngster thats why you don’t like what i said
@@ronnies5900 Just pointing out a flaw in your argument. That's all.
@@xWildernessss
Ain’t no flaw i just pointed out how I’m being consistent
Plus the people who are old enough to speak on wilt, jerry west, bill Russell, oscar Robertson
Tell me Jordan was better
And I’ve witnessed he was better than anyone after him
But most people who even bring up Lebron
Never are old enough to see the real Goat
And they cant handle it like you
Plus i know you a kid
Under 30 guaranteed
You speaking at this grown folks table where you don’t belong
Speak on Kobe vs Lebron maybe something you have knowledge in
But MJ was on another level
Did Pippin play with Lebron.... maybe Lebron wanted the ball too?
King James!!
Mj.
The SALT from some of these players is soooo delicious! Lambeer is still salty af. MJs Bulls went to the playoffs every year since he was a rookie.... so saying Lebron's teams always won is a joke. This year they couldn't even make the play-in
Yea but look at the records some of those years making the playoffs. I think bulls had like a 31 win season once and still made it lol
@@Stimmy_2_raw723 Facts. Jordan made the playoffs every year. But this early years we’re not winning years. MJ didn’t have a winning regular season until his fourth year and was getting swept out of the first rounds in the playoffs before that. Interestingly, I remember seeing that the win loss percentage for the two, in both regular season and playoffs, is pretty much identical at like 65-66 percent. It was pretty wild
MJ is the goat..Lebron 2nd best and Kareem is third!
LeBron is an opportunist
Lebron James is not 285! 😭 235-259. That is it.
Bron better
Lebron>MJ
Stop it
❤Search miracles of the holy "Quran" / "Qadir khutba"
MJ was colder but lebron greater🤷
Lebron is the goat, it's time for yall to stop slurping Jordan popsicle
KING 🤴 James is The Best
mj can't win the championship without pippen
Young undrafted MJ carried out a team on his back once and beated a full of superstars (Hall Of Fames) USA Team.
@@em-jaybee9883 Neither is an official game, and there is nothing to discuss. can't prove anything at all
@@sunnyng905 Yeah, MJ doesn't have to prove anything to you at all. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion, you are just one of those few guys.
Nah lebron the goat 🐐
Self claimed goat
I feel like MJ legacy is a lil overrated and gets too much credit for those bulls teams. But I understand that as a player… bron is better but MJ had too many accomplishments