Post Office Inquiry: Audience moan as Paula Vennells can't recall key details | ITV News
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- As former Post Office boss Paula Vennells was questioned for a second day at the UK inquiry, members of the audience groaned in frustration as she failed to recall some key details.
ITV News Reporter Ellie Pitt spoke to one former sub-postmaster who was imprisoned while pregnant, who heard how the Post Office advised that including her in a case review "would be a rag to a bull".
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She sent them to jail on trumped up charges, now send her to jail, for criminal incompetence
There is more than incompetence. There is a malicious intent to protect her own and the POs reputation at the expense of other people lives.
@@MrOhdead Indeed so, and she and her accomplices must be held accountable. A mere reprimand
won't do.
The charges will probably include: misleading parliament, perverting the course of justice, and corporate manslaughter. She also risks artificially inflating the share price of a company with a view to a sale by hiding the issues from a potential buyer.
More chance of preston north end winning the europran cup than vennels going to jail.5 million quid she got and no accountability.the law exist for the rich.Fiddle a few quid from the benefits sgency and the full force of the law will crush you.
The quality of obfuscation was first class, as was her forgetfulness. Neither of which are qualities of a CEO or an Anglican priest. If she doesn't end up sewing mailbags, there is something wrong with British justice.
'Qualities of an Anglican priest'??,....what, cover ups, obfuscation, moving on etc etc...
I'm convinced there's something wrong with British justice.
78 agrees (now 79) and no disagrees, I do not think that I have ever seen a CZcams comment receive such unilateral support
PV's "fake" crocodile tears are a drop in the ocean compared to the real tears that innocent postmasters suffered at her draconian hand.
Incompetent, devious and dishonest. How do such people get into such top positions? Bonuses for the bosses, and no attention to the unexplained rise in crime by loyal staff. She's just sitting it out to get back to her massive pension and bonuses.
Even after injustice became apparent the bosses fought against payment. Probably because it would affect their bonuses and share options. These disgusting dregs of society should not be walking free, much less enjoying lives of luxury.
If criminal charges don't stick I hope they have ruinous class actions against them so they live in the poverty they inflicted.
She used every oportunity to innoculate herself and shift the blame.
EXACTLY, there is NOT a decent speck in Vennells' soul.
When Vennells cried I felt nothing but contempt. When the husband of Seema Misra cried just then I couldn't help but cry with him. Poor sods.
She carefully threads the needle, as Mr. Beer pointed out yesterday, remembering what helps her to establish nothing's her fault, but can't recall anything that would tend to incriminate her. She was clearly carefully coached by a no doubt expensive lawyer. I keep thinking of those poor victims, the investigators couldn't find the supposed stolen money, the accused had to sell their homes to "pay back" $ they never stole. And meanwhile, Paula V is sitting in her 2 million pound home, happy as could be. I believe her as far as I can throw her. The only person this woman feels sorry for is herself. That's who she was crying for.
They were still fighting appeals by sub-postmasters up to 2019. So they not only scrubbed the idea of reviewing past prosecutions in case there had been an injustice - but also kept trying to stop people from correcting those injustices themselves.
Next that police entourage will be escorting her to prison after evicting her from her home to pay for damage done to peoples lives costing £1 billion pounds to the taxpayer.
Her and others management causing huge loss of value of the POL business.
Unecessary closure of the victims Post Office sub branches losing more money for the Post Office Limited.
That's not including Thousands more identified now its out what they were up to.
Vennells would be better just coming clean pleading guilty and throwing herself to the mercy of the court.
The longer the management hold onto the obsfuscating blameshifting the worse it will be when the judges hand down sentences.
When the police investigate people will spill the beans to avoid a jail sentence.
Henderson from Second sight has been one of the very few telling the Truth.
Who cancelled their investigation ?
That would have had to be no one other than Vennells.
That question must be asked.
Thanks for posting such an excellent comment. Couldn't agree more.
The problem is going to be - what criminal law has she actually broken?
@@dirtydawg448 I can think of four laws just sat here:
Manslaughter by gross negligence in relation to the SPMs who sadly took their own lives after the PO refused to investigate reports the system was faulty
Misconduct whilst in public office relating to her obvious disregard to reports the Horizon system was malfunctioning or being manipulated and SPMs were being falsely accused and in some cases imprisoned and attempting to cover the brand rather than investigate potential miscarriages of justice
Perverting the course of Justice based on the fabricated evidence passed to the CPS on the infallibility of Horizon during the trials of sub-postmasters and the cover up of the flaws in the system which saw people falsely jailed (possibly also perjury depending on whether any of her "I Didn't know" statements can be contradicted with evidence she did in fact know)
false statements by company directors (Section 19, Theft Act 1968) relating to the reclaimed money being regarded as "profit" which in itself raises questions about whether these prosecutions were intentional in order to recover monies from SPMs by Fraud at a time the post office was in financial difficulty (however that would be hard to prove in court)
if I were the CPS I'd be trying to get her charged on the first two because they carry life sentences at the maximum, given the severity of the case, the amount of people who took their own lives or had the lives and reputations irreparably damaged I'd expect a life term with a minimum term of 20 years before eligibility for parole, if the other charges can be proven I'd expect that to rise to 30 years before consideration for parole,
The question she needs to be asked is "who do you think is to blame for innocent people being sent to jail, and what should happen to them?"
YES. examining process is important but one of the core questions is as you say. Thanks
or does ignoring Problems that led to false allegations of theft and false prosecutions based on fabricated evidence relating to the infallibility of Horizon that led directly to some SPMs taking their own lives constitute Manslaughter by gross negligence? because it sure sounds like that....
The boss still had to nail the answer where the money was gone. In a crappy full of hole system, she should know one day she will be at fault because that's how the corporate world works.
The poor Misra family were treated appallingly by forgetful boss
Everyone was thank Mr Bates for fighting this for 20 years!!!!
I worked for a shipping company that insisted we did not use the word "fire", when describing a fire in our reports of such onboard occurrences. It had to be described as a "thermal event".
Jeeze
@TheRunereaper
Wow. The woke and litigious times we are living in.
Needs to spend time in a Royal Jail.
great how all present groan when she declares memory loss.
😂😂😂
Vennels looks like Edward For in The Day of the Jackal.
It is so fascinating that one after another these highly paid executives all seem so forgetful. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt but then wouldn’t the question come up that these people are fit to be senior executives/directors of businesses? Yet all of them left to other senior roles in other businesses even to this day.
If they claim they are not liars then they are not competent
My heart goes out to Seema Misra and her husband, two good people who worked hard, and then only to be ABUSED by Paula Vennells, Post Office Ltd., and the rest of the criminals in the POL leadership.
Yet she was awarded a CBE? How does that even happen?
The system rewards sociopaths that look after corporate entities and crush the little people. Look at Hillsborough, Glenfall to name a few. The people responsible will never be held accountable.
I dont Recall. She doesn't Recall much. Does She.
PV doesnt even want to listen to the hard questions - she interrupts them before they are asked to obfuscate and/or deny.
Allow me to help write the first paragraph of the findings:
"The Inquiry at Post Office Limited is not an account of bad people. Nor is it an account of people who did not care, nor of people who wilfully made poor technical or strategic decisions. It is an account of people who cared greatly about the future of Post Office Limited and were dedicated and well-motivated. Sadly, some lacked insight, and their resulting decisions and behaviour was flawed. "
This is essentially the way all of these government inquiries end up.
Yep. We understand, we sympathise but NOBODY is to blame.................
She got advice from an expensive law firm which unethically told them to lie.
Why would she if she didn't know.
She knows she is in deep poos.
And is exhibiting the type of behaviour the management used in this coverup.
Deny deny deny in the face of all evidence.
It’s time for Paula to experience what her victims experienced in jail.
After this enquiry she still has her £3m bonus and will probably move abroad. 🙄
She should . . . Go to Jail, go directly to jail. Do not pick up £3m.
I bet she hasn’t forgotten that…..
If she was to move abroad, would she have to declare the money she has received dishonestly?
This woman needs to take the whole force of British justice, in this case.
She should get the same justice that she gave The subpostmasters
why is she, Paula Vennells, not charged?
Where are the police?
Vennells knowingly poured misery on so many; what kind of creature is she
A 'creature of habit' and a terrible one.
It was like watching Sturgeon during the covid enquiry.Don’t know,can’t recall,not involved.Totally unacceptable.She should be facing jail time not the postmasters.
I agree same as Sturgeon liars the both of them.
Across the pond here, been watching this with a sort of mild curiosity, mostly driven by the way this womon testifies (If that's what you call it during in inquiry over there).
It's been many years since I've seen someone just purely by observation, so strongly and plainly seem to be lying. The way she seems to be processing each question and answer, just is not a good look. I could explain in more detail but It seems you all get what I mean.
She is not giving evidence she is doing her best to avoid telling the truth.
It’s not just a PR exercise. They seem to have simultaneously extorted their own employees, while stitching them up for robbery. To assume that this was done in error affords them a presumption of innocence we would be wise to interrogate. They may have been shaking down the postmasters deliberately. That seems to have become part of their whole business plan.
I actually think initially there may have been reasonable grounds to believe that the system/software was correct, but that would have very quickly disappeared with just a small amount of decent investigative work, but the it just seems like a big cover up to protect their ass from then on,
Question to ask is WHY THIS LONG
The postmasters should look for private legal prosecution
Paula needs to be tested for dementia
I would wager she won't do a day in Gaol.
That wouldn’t surprise me 😡
I wonder if she has prayed to her God for forgiveness, I doubt it, she does not think she has done anything wrong.
The sad thing is she had the opportunity to be honest but didn't have the courage.
Retirement villages need investigation like this management especially
make her repay ALL her salary for the last 3 years, every penny.
She must go to jail
Bring back capital punishment!!
Prison Prison Prison
Anyone know what will happen with the PO people now? Or is this just it an enquiry about the scandal they coursed?
Paula was the "bug" in the Post Office
Title should've read: Vennel's COURT HUMILIATION.
Rather seem incompetent than complicit. That's always how these things go.
she is toast
Not a great look . . . having to have Police escorting you in and out Lol
Does she ever recall receiving a CBE or handing it back, such is her poor memory.
She should compensate the accused out of her own monies and pension and then do time in prison.also the board members who also knew the Truth.
So she is completely unqualified Todo her job or she is lying either way she needs to hand the money back and go to jail.
Apart from Paula Vennells having a remarkably bad memory. She also seems to have the luxury of blaming someone else, (someone who is not available to give their side of the story) for all of her lack of any kind of leadership, errors or shortfalls.
BOSS of the Post Office, God help the rest of us.
who is the anchor here
Ignorance is not a defence Ms. Vennell’s … shame on your lack of courage 🇦🇺
No worries, when her time comes to be judged before our Lord, she will find out what its like frying in your own grease.
She does need to be given similar punishment to that which she wrongly oversaw for so many of her employees. I really don't think she has any idea of how accounting systems are meant to function or what they are supposed to achieve and she was clearly not the only one running the Post Office with a similar shortfall of knowledge. But the Courts are equally guilty for being persuaded to convict on hearsay rather than the facts.
Thank God these people were freed from prison, and truth was revealed. It must have been unimaginably stressful. Our system should never make such mistakes.
Selective memory, but she's caught in her own still spinning web.
Prison
If ever there were a person who should at least be tried in a court of law, this is it.
She is corrupt and a criminal, send her to prison.
Put her in prison!!!!
That police entourage looked tough......
This woman has absolutely no shame. She couldn't care less about the terrible grief she's caused. The only thing she cares about is herself. Lock her up in solitary for life & throw away the key.
Text book case of Malfeasance.
Has Venals had a psychiatrist exam?
There’s a so-called ‘dark triad test’ that evaluates the personality traits of narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy. It would be interesting to carry out this test on some of the subjects being questioned here!
It was all my subordinates fault.
She would have to rob 2 mail trains to steal that much!
The Parliament/government UK needs to bring in laws to protect the consumers and the public, and more broadly, to protect everyone against this type of criminal activities and fraudulent activities by CEOs, board of directors, managers, fraud investigators, law firms, etc. Laws will make these criminals accountable for their actions in the uk and overseas as they will move their operations abroad to get away with falsifying records to suit their agenda! 1:17
Note that Vennells responds 'No' before KC Beer finishes asking his question, interrupting him. The deny, deny, deny cult that she follows.
WHO'S NEXT? HMRC?
It's that bad sturgeon 🍸 barred from drinking in the southside
TV licence scandal next
Paula has had 5 years to perfect her statements to the enquiry and it was very I mpresive her performance though didn't impress the barristers.
Only thing you can compare this is to the Birmingham 6 who wer set up to take the fail. Will they go to Prison and who wer the judges who did this. Appalling
She must go to prison for a long time
Her pension needs to be taken back. She's done nothing to deserve it. She even got a golden handshake when she left the PO.
She's lying through her teeth. We might at least have had some respect and forgiveness if she'd fessed up.
This corrupt gargoyle should face criminal charges.
Questions that need answering.....where did the alleged stolen money go....and who scripted...." you are the only one"
Reference " hands in tills" has more relevance with PO management bonuses and salaries, rather than the sub postmaster.
I have an inkling if all postmaster are exonerated, the perpetrators pv avb will escape future prosecution....
Somehow she's made herself a victim along with the postmasters................astonishing, but thoroughly predictable.
It's beyond dispute that Paula Vennells knew exactly what was going onand was dirrectly responsible for the terrible hurt done to so many innocent people. All decent people in this country want to see this wicked, evil woman jailed!
Easy to find fault with Vennells and co and they will pay the price eventually. I still don’t understand how PO brand and bonuses wa sufficient motivation to do what they did. BUT it was a judge that convicted SPMs. Why did he not seek credible expert third party independent verification on Horizon as a prerequisite for any conviction?
Disgusting.
Paula will keep crying to keep herself out of prison. Women make great leaders...
Isn’t it funny everyone from or connected with the post officebeing interviewed seem to have something to hide to hide, lying, or it wasn’t me it was someone else. How Dud these people run the post office.
Gaol no ifs no buts
A young lady was looking forward to her marriage in a few days. Instead she was arrested by two burly police officers and jailed with a female murder there is also further terrible things that happened. An innocent person one of hundreds falsely accused and those at the GPO knew exactly what was happening. But dont worry they all have good jobs, plenty of money and comfortable homes like Paula Reynolds who works for the NHS
nice boucle jacket!
Priti Patel is the Saint of Women. She is divorced from Alex Sawyer.
She is pure evil .
Friends with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Almost appointed as Bishop of London. Most holy Ms Vennells. Sadly you may not get to meet your god. There is a better place for you and your kind.
Beauty is only skin deep but ugliness goes all the way to the bone
Face it, she won't go to prison or any other of these executive lowlife's because that's how it is. That's the system. Only 'little people' go to gaol.
Why a police escort 🧐if she’s innocent
Must be some sort of amnesiac fumes went through the air con
This evil woman stood back and allowed these workers to be prosecuted and jailed. Some commiting suicide others losing their homes, and tarring their reputation for years. All to further her reputation and career. She needs to be sent to jail for a very very long time, but lam afraid as usual she will probably walk away with a very lenient sentence by our courts.