The Terminator Universe Explained: Multiverse & Time Travel
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It’s not very common for a highly successful franchise to have reached the highest of highs and also the lowest of lows, but when it comes to the Terminator franchise, this thing has seen it all. From Oscar award-winning films to Critical and financial bombs, there’s little that this franchise hasn’t done, for better or worse.
0:00 - 1:27 - Intro
1:28 - 6:33 - The Terminator
6:34 - 12:47 - T2: Judgement Day
12:48 - 18:58 - T3: Rise of the Machines
18:59 - 26:41 - Terminator: Salvation
26:42 - 27:51 - Sarah Connor Chronicles
27:52 - 33:48 - Terminator: Genisys
33:49 - 38:23 - Terminator: Dark Fate
38:24 - 42:09 - The Multiverse Timeline
42:10 - 47:00 - A Franchise Lost in Time
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Reese says how he always wondered what was on Sarah's mind when the photo was taken....at the very end we learn it was Sarah eulogizing Reese. That to me is the heart of The Terminator.
wow, I cant believe I missed that. She was thinking of their son.
Damn same. Never realized. Sad the only people who know his role in saving humanity was his brief lover and his son
@@keikaider I think the irony was that he had wondered for all of those years what she was thinking of and it turns out she was thinking of him.
@@DarlingMissDarlingbut who sent Kyle the first time around because there was no john conner in the first ever timeline a guy from the future didn't just have kid with a woman from 1984 then there son grows up sends a his dad back to the past to impregnate his mum
there only one explanation that kyle somehow was sent to the past by whoever that guy met sarah and he did what he's not supposed to do have a sex with someone from the past. let alone get them preggers but this change the timeline forever and changed the future of the world by john becoming a "savior" for the future and john putting two two together realise this kyle is my dad
@@Adam_K14 john coner sent him the first time
I personally loved Salvation. I think the story was great, we finally got to see the apocalypse war, see Connor try and save Kyle Reese
I liked salvation as well. To bad the fans are toxic and now we have women power
@@nikothehero799 yep. Salvation has been the best terminator film since the 2nd.
@nikothehero799 I definitely love female power. That's why TCCC was my favorite sequel. To me that was absolutely the best companion to the 1 and 2. Salvation stood out as a good one also but since Fox canceled TCCC none of the following movies fit the human storytelling.
I just watched Salvation (wasn't the first time) last night (at least up until I feel asleep). I still think that it is a very underrated film. I still find the cast to be likable (especially Anton Yelchin, AKA Chekov, who as it turns out, was indeed killed by his own machine, and may he rest in peace). Also, indeed a good cast with a strong female lead balanced with good male leads.
But what I really loved was all of the different Terminator designs. You can tell that the concept artists went all out, and in Salvation, you have as many different mech designs, that you might confuse this for a live action anime adaption!
In Salvation, you have:
Early versions of the Hunter Killers. Apparently A-10s unfortunately don't do well against these, and it appears that the Resistance is fresh out of air-superiority fighters, which would stand a better chance what are apparently maneuverable aircraft.
Large fucking humanoid Harvesters (lets face it: you know you want to see a Gundam fight one of these!)
T-600s: the early Skynet foot soldiers
T-1s: the early wheeled mooks
Moto-Terminators: these are literally motorcycles that will try to kill you!
Hydrobots: these look like early versions of the small Transformers that would later appear in the live action films. Could be the same concept artist!
And finally my favorite: the wicked-looking Transport, which is capable of docking it's own HKs, and has a humanoid defense turret. This thing is wicked!
I'd also like to note that at this point, only Skynet possesses directed energy weapons, and these appear to be less refined than in the films set later in the future. This hints to me that the Resistance eventually must reverse engineer Skynet's design, and eventually obtain the means necessary to manufacture them.
It's a nice attention to detail.
I liked it as well could have been better but was entertaining.
I agree with you labeling T1 as a horror movie. I once had a vivid nightmare about being pursued by a Terminator; this was the single most terrifying dream I’ve ever experienced. A large, bullet proof robot relentlessly hunting you specifically down is an absolutely dreadful scenario.
Sci fi horror In my opinion
imagine anther movie in the series that horror
I had the same dream in 6th grade back in October 1995...took place in my high school at nite.and the 2 of us were stuck in the building to the the door exits being chained shut...
I agree I always thought salvation was way better then the bad press from people. I always thought it was a great call back to the first 2 and continues the story. I agree the weapons missing is a issue.
I enjoyed Salvation as well. CGI Arnold was a bit shite, but other than that it was pretty solid.
The sequel to salvation by mcg was supposed to have Robert Patrick as a scientist and the advancement of plasma rifles, and time travel
Probably bad press from Christian Bale yelling in that voice note at the camera crew, idk. I remember that overshadowing the film for a bit and the shite CGI Arnold
Christian Bale's outburst has become remembered more than the actual film. I think that says alot....I mean " what don't you fucking understand"...😂
@@JediRyu99I never knew this! That makes me even more upset because I loved Salvation.
I love this video. I just wanted to point out though that in Terminator 3, the female terminator was not going after his ‘friends’ but individuals who would grow up to be his lieutenants and other major players in the resistance.
John is like in is early 20’s while several of the people she goes after are teens (working at a burger joint; at a house party).
I think it’s better that he doesn’t know them and that there isn’t any emotional connection between them and John. They were kids just living their lives who would grow up to help change the world. Its really messed up…entertaining though
The Terminator lore has always been constructed with great depth & consideration, which is why I find it crazy that only the first two films succeeded with the concept & story so well. I like the third one too tho.
I agree. While I accept that 3 is rather flawed and cringe I saw it in the theater and love the Bad Ending. Nobody has the balls to do that
Hell, I like all of them, for their own merits. There is no perfect movie. The main reason 3 through 6 were "poorly recieved "is this.
T2 exists. It was a home run, almost flawless. It didn't set the bar high, it Became the Bar, by doing something sequels almost never do. Surpassing the orogonal, like the first film was sitting in Park, with the parking break on, taking a nap behind the wheel.
And The Terminator is a defining, genre creating, gem.
It's like watching a debut MMA or boxingmatch that's over, new guy wins, in seconds, against a too notch opponent. But the next 48 matxhes, all but two wins, take between 5 and 11 rounds. That first match, if never repeated, is always the standard that fighter's carrer is judged by.
With T2 out there, and still The conversation, the rest made money, and would be seen as well performing, but it ain't that uppercut at 23 seconds into round one, that put him in the spotlight.
The problem is the franchise got passed around and each director screwed the time line more n more till what we have now a mess
The third one actually holds up pretty well, in my opinion. Not perfect, some corny scenes and lines here and there but overall, still feels like a Terminator film. Hell of a twist at the end too when you watch it for the first time. I wish I could watch it for the first time again, just for that reveal!
I don't find it crazy, I find it disappointing. Putting a great idea/franchise in lesser hands for the sole purpose of making money is never going to be a formula for a good movie. It is a formula for making money, which understandably is what studios' highest priority is.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles was awesome, with a few slower moments, but I found those moments filled in the character development well. Lena Heady was a fantastic successor to Linda Hamilton and loved the direction the series was going. Was gutted when I found out it was cancelled (stupid Fox) and a review of it would be great!
Yeah, Lena was excellent as Sarah even Linda would've been proud I saw some episodes of the show & liked what I saw I think Emilia would've made another great Sarah Conner but they had terrible writers who didn't give her anything to work with. Her chemistry with Arnold was spot on I rather watch the movie with just her & him but the chemistry with Jai was awful his as Kyle I'm thinking "Dude I rather you just be killed off already I really didn't want him getting with Sarah I'm waiting for Aquaman to show up & wooing Sarah away from him lol."
Jai's version of Kyle Reese was one reason why Genisys was awful...But yeah, Pops and Sarah was not bad actually@@catspaw3092
Not to mention Summer Glau stole the show. Her depiction as an infiltrator terminator was so convincing. She had the menacing dead look of a terminator, yet she could have the grace and innocent looks of a cute girl. Loved the fact she could be a total femme fatale and could switch emotions all the time when the mission required it.
Salvation takes place years before the future that’s shown in the first 2 movies. During salvation Kyle is still super young and the T-800’s are just being developed. That’s why there’s so many older models in the movie.
I like that they gave John a wife. It actually makes him vulnerable and gives him more motivation to win. It makes him more relatable and shows us that he's still only human
No he a virgin, He was familyless in Genisys. if there is anything closer to a lover, it's Cameron from TSCC
I totally agree with ya
My canon will always be
T1 to T4 with a little bit of terminator resistance and THATs IT
The films after that can ALL GO F THEMSELVES
RIP Terminator
I think John distrusting Marcus was because of the future of Terminator 3 where a Terminator came in looking like the infamous T-800 killed him and Kate reprogrammed it and sent it back.
So I could see John being non trusting of Terminators after that in Salvation.
Also I think that Skynet was developing the Fased Plasma Rifle with a 40 watt range, therefore in Salvation the guns were still from the 2010/2020 era with no lasers yet, til Skynet developed it and gave their machines major upgrades.
I think the resistance was destroying some machines and taking their lasers and plasma rifles.
*UZI 9MILLIMETER*
@@greenkoopa Those were very icon lines to us little kids when we first watched this.
I would go into a little mom and pop store and jokingly ask the main clerk if he had a UZI 9Millimeter and a Fased Plasma Rifle with a 40 watt range and he would laugh and say only what you see here kid, then I would say, WRONG 😑.
Even though he should say, Buddy you can’t do that first lol 😂
He was a neighborhood friend to myself, my parents and everyone else in our neighborhood and he watched the movies too, and knew all the quotes too lol 😂.
He also had great arcade cabinets in his store too, Mortal Kombat 1 & 2, Art of Fighting and Street Fighter II Championship Edition.
God the original Terminator movie and Judgment Day are both timeless classics with very memorable moments and quotes.
@@jerrym1218 haha! You've mistaken the line "WRONG!"
Arnie says it in Commando right after they take his daughter, he blasts the guy sitting in the chair. It was a great kids movie, especially when Bennett Let Off Some Steam
@@greenkoopa He says it to the gun shop guy too after he says buddy you can’t do that.
He then says WRONG! Boom!!
He also did WRONG in Commando too you’re right, to the guy that tried to negotiate terms with him for his daughter lol 😂
Arnold wasn’t having it.
@@jerrym1218 I guess I forgot he said it first on Terminator 🤔
Terminator 1 and 2 are my childhood! I love these movies so much. Thank you for making this breakdown.
The first timeline we see in the first movie is really the second timeline. The first timeline was an unseen one.
Also known as the Alpha Timeline. Check out Terminator Wiki for more details.
Yes exactly! That’s what I want to see. Cause John’s existence realistically has to be entirely by chance or fate correcting itself. Consider this, no matter what there is always a judgment day and they machines always eventually lose and create a Time Machine. The “no fate but what you make” is the lie
Please do a video on the show! Like you mentioned I was a teen when this show came out & still to this day think the show deserved another season. Lena did an amazing job playing Sarah and I think it had the better storyline after the events of T2 compared to the movies.
I feel that the Terminator universe is the trajectory we’re headed in, and it’s one we’ve been on for a long time. But instead of facing off against artificial intelligence, humans will be fighting each other - the machines will just help facilitate that. Remember, “it’s in your nature to destroy yourselves”, and humanity is just that divided to battle a common enemy.
Or we will be heading into a Detroit become human type of situation…
Actually, Genisys is not a sequel to Salvation, since it bases its premises only on T1 and T2 (Judgment Day happens in 1997; John finds Kyle while he's still a kid, not a teenager). Even on the writers' admission, it totally disregards anything that came after the first two.
Terminator Salvation is a great movie. I know alot of people didn't like it. But it was done well. No time travel needed and it was still pretty well the begining of the war with the machines.
I won't go so far as to say it's great but it's definitely good and doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
I understand a lot of the problems people have with the Terminator franchise in general and I don’t blame them but for me Terminator will always be apart of me because I too was introduced to Terminator when Salvation came out back in 2009 and when that happened I fell in love with the Movies, the show, the comics, action figures and Terminator Resistance is such an underrated game.
I love the first two Terminator movies but rewatching them gets really eerie with all the AI advancements we're getting lately, I hope James Cameron isn't like the Simpsons writers where he can predict the future because now we're only 6 years away from the apocalyptic setting of the first Terminator movie let that sink in 😳😂😅
That Simpsons reference lmao. And yeah with everything happening nowadays, it really doesn't seem like this is too far out of the realm of possibility. We've all been talking about Zombie apocalypses but the future of the Terminator is far more realistic.
@@thethriftytypewriter I know right, I'm scared lol
@@greenkoopa I thought it would be cool 🤷🏻♂️🫤
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However you have joined the Koopa Troop now so that's something
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Have a great day
Both my parents are fans of these movies and I grew up watching Terminator 2 many times and I remember everything that happens in it.
22:52 omg this is one of my favorite actors. His death is so sad... Rip Anton Yelchin. I knew him from Odd Thomas which was a great book and movie. He was also good in Fright Night, as you said he was truly an underrated actor. Also if havent watched Odd Thomas watch it.
from x-men to terminator to the walking dead, ur really one of my favorite utubers
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Sarah Connor Chronicles was amazing - watched it for the first time last year
It's fantastic
Great video! One thing I need to push back on tho: In Salvation John is not surprised that a machine would act human. His shock comes from the fact that Marcus is obviously a machine but 100% BELIEVES that he is human. That is something he has never experienced before. He literally says this when he is talking to Kate.
Funny enough that my worst impression of a Terminator movie is your best but for me Edward Furlong always was John Connor as I saw Terminator 2 - Judgement Day in the cinema as a kid. Twice. I practically grew up with it. I even had seen the first movie in advance.
I loved T2 and still do! ❤️ 😅
I don't think John is confused that Marcus can have human feelings or a flesh sheathed Terminator exists. I think he's just confused because it's not supposed to happen yet. This whole film he's unsure of the future his mother had laid out and if things are playing out as she had heard from Kyle and he has heard from the Terminators he's encountered. The appearance of Marcus, a Terminator that's never been mentioned by her or Kyle and how he is a flesh sheathed terminator compared to all the rubber skin ones in his current timeline. Not to mention he was totally passing for human up until the mine, which would be scary af because Terminators at this point have an uncanny valley behavior and Marcus passed every human social test. Also probably makes him think maybe they lost the war in the future and skynet has sent yet another terminator back to ensure success. I mean it's happened through his whole life at this point. That would also place a lot of doubt on him if he's ever actually going to win. In a weird way, him seeing the Arnie T-800 was reassuring.
Bingo. Yes, John knows Terminators can be "good" guys... But... He's only used to Arnie being a good guy, not Marcus. So of course he's skeptical. Keep in mind as well, in Rise, they mention specifically that they used an Arnie bot to kill John in the future
loved this!!! Terminator 1 & 2 are some of my favorite films of all time and i really liked your insight on what didn’t work in the films after those.
Yes yes yes, agreed! I love Salvation so much; it’s the one where we actually get to see the future. Also love how they incorporated Kyle, John & Marcus. And when Kyle & John meet omg chills. Also agree with your T3 review. People just shove it away, but it was actually good, nothing groundbreaking like you said, but good! The ending was what did it for me. The hopelessness with the music and Kate holding John’s hand always tugs at the strings.
I totally agree I grow up on TERMiNTOR 1 and TERMiNTOR 2 and when 3 come out I still loved it for what it was of pushing the story forward and when salvation came out I Absolutely love it that it was starting to make everything come full circle ⭕️ in direct continuity with the first 3 films
Every other film after T4 however can yeah go F itself
So with that said 1984 to 2009 RIP TERMiNTOR
TERMiNTOR 4 really was the only future to have the right idea of actually going forward directly with everything
Furlong did loads of other really good films after T2, with really good performances too..
In Pecker he's excellent. In Animal Factory he's great. In American History X he's pretty phenomenal.
The reason, as far as I can make out. Which is 100% plausible. Why he went on a downward spiral was because his agent, or an agent molested him.
It was his tutor who groomed him starting on the set of T2.
I’m glad some people are aware of this.
Can we not say that every child actor has been groomed and molested. As a matter of fact when you hear more child actors talk about what stunted their careers it was the audience(us) not being able to see them as adults. A child actor has 10 to 15 years at best to shine..while an adult actor can shine for 50 years.
The best way to describe the multiverse is how Avengers Endgame and Back to the Future 2 explained it. You create another timeline when you go back in time. Even Reese mentions "possible futures" in the original Terminator film. The reason why later Terminator films had different actors playing John and Sarah, is because there from the multiverse. The same time travel rules still apply there however.
I truly believe if the fame and ridicule didn't get to Furlong, He would have remained John Connor throughout the series.
He was suppose to be in T3 but his partying ways got him removed from the project. Hopefully he got a nice little check for allowing them to use his likeness in Dark Fate...thanks to Crispin Glover.
The Sarah Conor chronicles was always one of my favorite terminator stories especially since salvation was the last thing before that felt different and was a rehash like genesis, ironically it was genesis that got me to like terminator 😂. The only thing they can do now is make a movie where it erases everything and some how starts the original story of 1-3, or they could show the end of the war where the humans and the machines actually make peace because like you said they’ve never actually done that part.
T2 is one of my all time favorite movies. It's practically perfect. Thank you James Cameron! I loved the first one too. The 4th one is pretty good. RIP Anton 😢 he was definitely great. Edward did a great job as John, I also liked him in other movies. It is really heartbreaking what happened to him.
The worst John Connor was Nick & Jason. I also hated that they made him the bad guy too.
What also kills me about movies in general, is when they don't even try to make John look like he could be the same person at all.
Linda Hamilton in T2 was a badass with obvious PTSD and trauma, Jon at several points has to be the "parent" but it doesn't take away from Linda Hamilton being a strong character. This is what modern writers forget that a hero needs some flaws otherwise there is no stakes.
I loved that tv show so much. Im still sooo mad about it being canceled.
Underrated video. Always nice to see someone talk about the terminator franchise.
I was a kid riding my scooter down the street when they filmed T3. It’s the scene where the Terminator kills the cops & does a U turn. I’ll never forget that.
HUGE Terminator fan here. Really quick: Terminator: Resistance, the 2019 video game, acts as if only the first 2 movies happened. We accept it as a cannon side story, as it greatly respects the source material. ALSO, Terminator anime series coming to Netflix, with a MA rating. So there is hope... haha
The first 5 films all do fit in together. Up until Kyle time travels in 5 everything lines up. So really the only film with no explanation for not fitting is dark fate
You kinda have to ignore the beginning of Genisys when Kyle is a kid and John finds him. But after that part, it lines up well.
First time with your channel and really loved this video. It shows a lot of love to the franchise, showing the successful elements of the movies that aren't received as well as the first 2. I personally liked Salvation, love is perhaps too strong a word. But I liked what they tried to do
Sarah Conner Chronicles please
For what it's worth, I believe Arnold was interested in being in Salvation, only he was governor at the time, so he wasn't able to do it. Superimposing his head onto a younger body builder for the factory scenes did make a lot more sense though. I don't think an aged Arnold stepping off of the assembly line would've made much sense lol (yes, I know the script would've likely changed to fit him in in a way that makes sense, were he able to be onset).
Rise of the Machines was my childhood Terminator film, and to this day I still have a lot of nostalgia for it.
Another fantastic video!
Great vid as usual
I feel the reason why John Connor was confused when he met Marcus was because terminators need to learn on order of them to feel and look like a human while Marcus looked snd felt like a human right off the bet and let not mention the fact that Marcus has a human heart
I loved the TV show, so I would love for you to do a video about it.
Terminator: Resistance did an excellent job at bringing back the old T1/T2 atmosfear (yes, "atmosfear") of the Terminators, the decrepit & torn down cities, the survivalist environment. Maybe we don't need a new movie or reboot (yet), but to revisit the Terminator Universe through a different lens.
Waiting on a sequel to the game, too! 🤞
Great video!
I thought this video was a great breakdown of all the movies, and it explained them very well! I have yet to watch Salvation, and i’m planning on watching it soon because it actually looks good. Just because critics say a movie is bad doesn’t mean it actually is. I thought Dark Fate was good because I liked that they brought back two of the original actors, but the story was kinda yeesh. I love the stories of the first two movies and the characters too. T2 is my favorite out of all of them, and my favorite movie in general. I’m hoping to re watch the first two soon too. I recently also watched the SCC and I absolutly loved it! I wish they had made a 3rd season.
Big fan of the films and TV show, and now of this channel. Well done, here's my subscription.
One thing though. It's been a minute since I've seen Dark Fate, and I'm not* actively fact checking, but wasn't the Big Bad to replace Skynet in this film named Legion? You called it Origin twice and made me do a double take.
I could be wrong, if so... Please roast me.
Thanks man! And no I was in the wrong there, for some reason I just switched up the words 😂
Heck! Of course! After talking about the entire franchise my brain would be swiss cheese. I would be lucky to get the name of the films right.
Keep On Keeping On!
I absolutely would enjoy a video of The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I loved that show!
@ 21:28 I remember being in the theatre with my brother and him saying “hey! That OG Triple OG” lol (Friday After Next Reference).
Excellent video
I stopped watching after terminator 2 because for me the series ended there.
If you play video games and want to experience the future war of Terminator that Hollywood never gave us then try Terminator Resistance on ps4 or ps5. I highly recommend this as I feel it serves as great follow-up to part 2 and you get to play through it also.
@@bradleyguy3054 oh I have never heard of that game I learn something new everyday.
@jackmarshall3255 if you don't play video games but want to see this then I would recommend pulling up a full playthrough here on CZcams. I don't think you'll regret it.
@@bradleyguy3054 okay I might do that instead of just getting the game that way I can see how much I like it then get it later and play it.
This series started going downhill after part 4. That's where the time travel aspects started to not make sense. It really should have ended after Judgment Day when the parts from the original Terminator were destroyed, the chip in Arnold's Terminator destroyed, the death of Miles Dyson, etc. However, I get that Judgment Day itself was inevitable and essentially only postponed. I get that! However, it did sort of kill it for me to know in part 3 that John would eventually die in the war, and his wife would take over, which is why the 3rd Terminator came back to destroy not only him, but his wife AND their lieutenants. It still made sense, although Nick Stahl and Claire Danes had absolutely NO chemistry in the film whatsoever, and I'm not sure if the mismatched casting was done intentionally or not. Moving forward, Salvation was weird being that we're finally catching up with the future where John Conner is actually older than his own father, who hadn't been born yet during the events of the first 3 films, which causes for a huge suspension of disbelief, but whatever. However, after that, it just continues to get more and more stupid with Skynet, which technically is not even supposed to exist in the future at this point, but is still somehow sending more Terminators back. And Dark Fate was just to appeal to "woke" and progressive crowd, which was just ridiculous. I think that by then they had given up on story continuity and started just making unnecessary sequels to get money. Don't get me wrong, Genisys was the absolute worst out of all the films, but Dark Fate really plays with our intelligence. They didn't even bother to make it make sense. I would love to know how Skynet, the original system that sent these Terminators back in order to save itself from destruction actually ended up undoing its own creation, and has been somehow superseded by Legion, which is the far more superior AI system, but neither Kyle Reese, John Conner, the original T-800, or the T-1000 (The more advanced model) knew that when they went back to 1984 or 1991. What the hell? Why even bother to get rid of the 2nd T-800 who was actually protecting John if Legion was only going to send in a Rev 9 to off him instead? It's funny how John himself did not know that when he reprogrammed the T-800 and sent it back from the future a second time, with absolutely no upgrades to make him more effective, I might add. After all, we are talking about AI and time travel. What the entire hell?
sotpw ith the time tervle make no secne is time tarvel real no so tell it is you odnt know how it works
45:15 I love The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I just recently gave it a rewatch. To me, it was the direct continuation to Judgement Day. Leaving it wide open was heartbreaking. I agree they should do a conntinuation of the series. Sadly, the cast, imo, were essential so without them, it wouldn't be the same.
It was fun going down the timeline with you on this video. I was a very big Sarah Connor Chronicles fan. I own the two series. It was cut way too short. I'd love to see you watch them and go through it with us.
I didn’t believe Danny. A small Mexican girl from nowhere with no training just happens to lead the resistance? That lady from live die repeat would have been believable. I would have made her something from a military family rather than a sweet family girl.
Respect man your channel your way my friend
Hope I’m not too late about this. Just subscribed to you, you do great reviews of franchises. Can’t wait to see more.
32:00 back you thought about John Connor being the villain in genisys, even another YT channel, Nogalstic Critic wasn’t surprised he turn to a villain for the actor, Jason Clarke, wiki said he will often be the Antagonist. In the original script in Salvation ending, Marcus was supposed to replace John Connor by replace his face to John and also for John got stabbed in the heart by T-800. So Genisys could be alternate timeline where they did that where it make more sense why he got turn so easily for he was machine all this time.
I agree with all your stances on these movies , rarely I align with others in media taste. Cheers
Terminator 4 was my childhood movie too, watching it right after this video!
This is the best review of Genisys I've seen. I am so glad to see someone not hating it! I am very sad we didn't get to see this story pan out.
Terminator Salvation is nostalgic
My dad took me to see t2 when i was 3 years old. I vividly remember being scared shitless by the scene where sarah is screaming on fire and yelling by the swing set. I refused to play on swings as a kid after that
Excellent video. I'm overly familiar with the first two films having watched then countless times but only watched the others once and couldn't really remember them. Time to dig them out and rematch I think.
26:35 OOOH good for you, goooood for you!!
I love your videos
This was a very well put together video. One minor issue I noticed is that the operating system controlling the machines in Dark Fate was called Legion, not Origin. Sorry to be that guy, but I am just being helpful.
As for my experience with the franchise? Terminator is the franchise I care most about. I own each movie multiple times, own the Sarah Connor Chronicles and Terminator Salvation: The Machinima Series on DVD, own multiple NECA figures, have played a few of the games, I have even written a few analysis and essays on this series. I practically used to live and breathe this series.
With that said, with Cameron proposing a idea for Terminator 7, and Arnold announcing he won't 'be back', I really would only want two options for this franchise to continue at this point.
1) Continue/conclude The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The fans would appreciate it, and it is an critically underrated series, as you mentioned, that deserves an proper ending
2) do an crossover with the other big man vs machine saga, that features religious subtext, characters wearing black leather and shades, and an lead actor known primarily more for his skills at action rather than his acting skills. That's right: do a crossover with the Matrix. Couldn't you imagine it? The resistance and the residents of Zion fighting off Terminators and Sentinels? Neo fighting off multiple Terminator models? Neo and John Connor teaming up? I mean, yeah, it could be ridiculously complicated to pull ALL of that off, but it could be really cool too. The idea is so good, it's why NeoConnor1 is my username on CZcams.
I rather James stick to Avatar, as I huge fan of those two films, but if Terminator needs to continue, those two options would be of most interest to me, especially crossing over with Matrix.
Well from such a Terminator fan I’ll take your praise as a good thing!
I have no clue why I thought it was Origin instead of Legion I just mixed up the words 😂
And yeah I think it would take a really big movie in order to turn this franchise around. What that movie is I’m not sure because it seems like they’ve exhausted just about all their efforts but with James Cameron talking about Terminator 7 I guess we’ll see 🤷🏻♂️
2 minutes into this and im already a fan. Can't wait to check out your content.
"my channel...what I want"
Hell yeah! 👍
Love how Robert Patrick keeps his eyes open while shooting at the mall
I freaking LOVE the use of practical effects of the 4th movie.
Personally, love the first movie so much with the entire "show, don't tell." It's so good, other than the whole hindsight is 20/20 thing LOL
love the mention of Terry Crews in Salvation haha
I kinda find T3, Salvation and Dark Fate to be over hated. They’re no where near as good as the first two films but they’re still entertaining.
Had to chuckle while watching this! During your review of Genisys you said the movie is about our over reliance on technology. I realised I am watching this on my laptop whilst playing a game on my phone, scrolling through facebook, the husband playing his playstation and the robovac going round hoovering for us XD hahahahahaha
Finally Someone who thinks Salvation is a at least DECENT movie!
Nice video. I really enjoyed your take on these movies.
I grew up with Salvation too, love it
Love it
Awesome
I love Terminator 1 and Terminator 2! Terminator Salvation is another good movie. I saw it in Theaters and I thought it was a good movie!
Dark fate is underrated and the third best terminator movie in the franchise.
Something that most people don't recognize is that Robert Patrick never blinks in any of his takes as the T1000 in T2.
Definitely do an episode on the Sarah Connor Chronicles.. loved that show
It wasnt that arnold didnt want to be in salvation. He was govenor at the time. Great video
I respect your admission of your biases.
I actually liked Dark Fate. The line that Sarah delivers toward the end is awesome and fits her so well. “Because we’re not machines, you metal Motherfucker!”
Good work!
I'd like to see Kyle Reese's story from when he joined the resistance to the final battle when he goes back to 1984.
*Terminator: The Kyle Reese Story*
Or a movie about how John Connor built the resistance against the machines. Did he raise an army from scratch or did he unify various resistance organizations under his command?
TSCC and Terminator: Resistance (2019 video game) imo are the best pieces of terminator media after the first 2 movies
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Legion, not Origin, is the name of the machine system that tries to destroy mankind in Dark Fate.
I like T1 T2 & Salvation dassit....brad fiedel doesnt get talked about enough as a composer. The terminator theme is flawless. The love theme is beauttiful. And he also did Fright Night. Come to me is one of my favorite themes
I had two ways of thinking about it, but after Dark Fate I decided that there was a single future that had skynet send back a half dozen different terminators, at the same time, to different potential key moments in the timeline with the goal of stopping john conner from ever being a resistance leader. Only really works if you ignore terminator 3, but I think we are all ok with that
In Terminator: Salvation, I chalked up the fact John is surprised by a machine acting human is due to the fact he had to personally teach a machine to be human when he was a kid, years pass and small details escaped his memory and not to mention in T3 he was warned that his emotions to his boyhood experiences would get him killed in 2032 so Salvation started him as being emotionally disconnected, hence he told his people to destroy the captured Hydro-Bot instead of trying to reprogram it.
Also, Marcus' story was supposed to be he replaces John as leader because John would die and he'd have John's face grafted onto him, but this was scrapped last minute.
Hollywood doesn't get the franchise, that's why 1 and 2 were successful bcuz if Cameron LET Hollywood have their way with the 1st film, it woulda had Terminator-dogs and the movie wouldn't be as memorable. Fans still want more from the franchise, just so long as it makes sense and fits the lore.
BTW, X-Men Days of Future Past was made BECAUSE of Terminator. Both the first Terminator and the comic Days of Future Past were conceived at roughly the same time and the DoFP director asked Cameron for advice on Time Travel when making the film.
I am a germ believer that salvation is great for showing us what it’s like to be in the war. It’s one of my favourites lol
39:11 Skynet doesn’t launch “all the missiles and bombs around the world…”. It only had control of the U.S.’s and launched them at Russia, triggering Mutually Assured Destruction
“Lowest of lows”
*Shows a screenshot of Genisys, instead of Dark Fate*
Ok, so the video is already off to a very rough start, but it’s 47:00 mins long, and I love the franchise, so I’m going to keep watching. I have faith 🙂
I think the reason John is made into a terminator in Term Gen,is to possibly imply that sky net decided to go with "the best way to eliminate an enemy is to turn them into an ally" angle. Since it's possible that sky net's plan to kill Sarah as a child failed
I loved salvation so much. I wish they would have done a follow up film.
Terminator 4 is the most underrated movie