@@stefanomartino2539 In most cases it is small difference in games. Good DDR4 RAM beats low end DDR5 in games and ties with mid range DDR5. In workstation tasks, memory bandwidth intensive tasks DDR5 of course is much better.
@@IMajst3RI I honestly can't get my head around the existence of the 7900x3D. The 7950X3D is MUCH better as an all rounder but the 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU
He's not wrong tho, the faster frequencies and additional cores kill it in creative applications. Blender simulations adore fast clock speeds, lots of cores allows for lots of tracks in music production, and finally the quicksync with the iGPU is killer for video editing. Although i've heard 3d vcache does help with physics simulations but no one has cared enough to perform an actual benchmark that isnt cinebench...
Bro, He stated that ryzen is better for gaming while intel is better for workstation. He never said the intel chip is objectively better than the ryzen one.
@@plsbanhackers9031thanks for the tips, can save more money by not buying heater for the house.. Aah my house will be warm through the winter.. *"Here Comes The Winter"*
It's not really a "good margin" both chips have favor over some games. Intel beats AMD in some, AMD beats Intel in some. Based off of many videos and benchmarks I've seen they both are very very similar in terms of performance. TDP, not even close.@@guitaristkuro8898
@@dank4841 we both right, there are more e cores than p cores but the e cores have only 1 thread, when comparing the e cores with the p cores we have the same number of threads
@@miirux9908I don't know like for the price of i9 you better of getting ryzen 7 and than getting better graphics card plus the i9 is for most build a overkill and if you have budget it's better to get the ryzen 7 it really depends
@@icy1007No they dont and this is an area where I specialize in (Well its related, i specialize in computer science). Anyway E-cores are made for low demanding tasks, its in the name "Efficient"-cores. For gaming, E-cores can actually decrease performance and thats why they are used for background apps that run while you're gaming while the P-cores handle the actual gaming performance. In other applications like video editing, E-cores are useful and this is because that requires more "parallel computing", I am simplifying alot here but basically those kinds of applications benefit more from having more cores. All of this takes no longer than a minute from searching in the internet so please do before saying something next time. If you still want proof from me, have you ever wondered why an 7800X3D (8 cores) was declared to be the fastest gaming cpu in the planet despite the i9-13900k (8 cores, 16 e-cores) exisiting? The 7800X3D actually has a higher core count brother the 7950X3D, yet it still gets beat out by it? Wonder why?
@@BocchiSenseiso for example: if i play a game in 1080p and i'm getting 200fps hmmm let's say valorant or modern warfare 2 , and while gaming i open up google chrome to watch youtube videos ( probably using 2 tabs of chrome ), does the E-Cores help to maintain the framerate in game to stay at 200fps ? or the framerate still decreases ?
@@AlexLeonTV Nah the other guy is right. If he was going to make an apples to apples comparison, then the 7950x would have been the better comparison. If it was simply gaming comparison, then he wouldn't have brought up the workstation performance.
they both use the same amount of P-cores (8 cores) to run the games so that parts regardless when it comes to gaming it only helps it in do better in workstation tasks.
Perhaps you should compare two CPUs that are in the same class, which in this case would be Intel I9 13900K and Ryzen 7950X or even the Ryzen Treadripper 7960X maybe you’re just comparing the 13900K to 7700/7800X because you know the Treadrippper would eat the 13900K alive
no it isn't the same class RERE piss. The 14700k vs 7800x3d is same class. The 13900k is a re-released 14700k. So comparing them is completely fine. Sorry that your brain is level RERE. I guess data to hard for you. Video poster nailed this perfect. Sorry you upset.
I'm building my PC around the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Originally I was going with the latest Ryzen 9, but I was recommended the 7800X3D as I said I wanted my PC to be solely focused for gaming.
Good choice indeed. More cores isn’t always better. The 79xxX3D chips have P cores that don’t use the 3D v-cache, so if the game’s process gets assigned to those core(s), you’re not benefiting from the X3D’s higher cache.
Clockrate is not a direct measurement of how fast a processor processes stuff. Things that affect the overall speed, in addition to the clockrate, include the instruction set used, the memory bus, and better measurements are instructions per second, or operations per second. Also, cores can be virtual (logical) or physical. Another thing is that speed can make up for a shortage of cores through multithreading (usually not enough to be a perfect substitute, but a good way of looking at it is a processor with 1 operation per second and 2 cores will work as fast as a processor at 2 operations per second with one core in some cases, but the faster single core will beat the slower dual core if they are both given a single operation (not a perfect comparison, and the equivalency is not a perfect 1 to 1);). multicore processors have an advantage with multitasking, and multithreading is not a perfect substitute for that but it helps.
You forgot that the X3D specifically has lower clocks compared to the non 3D counterparts because it can perform more in a cycle due to its massively increased cache.
Ya need to note out that the 16 of the core are efficieny cores. So the amount of performance cores are 8 which is the same. Doesn't change that i9 has way more headroom obviously.
Built a PC with a 7800X3D like a week ago. It performs astonishingly well. And you don't even need to water cool it. The Peerless Assassin keeps it below 75 degrees under heavy load.
@@greengamma569Tell me how many hours per day one uses a CPU and how many hours they actually have it do nothing. It's insane to positively compare this Intel CPU for power consumption.
so 14k series doesn't exist I guess................... Even though it is performing at the same levels in games and tasks as the 7950........... Whelp I guess when we drink from the RERE toilet like you do. Something got you.
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690well first, your wrong intel fanboy. If you want a good upgrade path, get the 7800x3d and the latest nvidia/amd gpu if no budget. Personally I wouldn’t go with an asus mobo due to their terrible quality control and poor voltage issues. Go with an msi/asrock mobo instead (that includes nzxt for aesthetics if it matter that much.
I use the 13900k for my vr and full body , also for my ai trained real time voice changer and my speech to text , I’d never switch to anything else , it’s pure perfection.
Depends. For gaming the 13900k is an 8 core as well. Since the 13700k is also an 8 core when it comes to gaming and both have unlocked multipliers the 13900k shouldnt even be on your options list when it comes to purely gaming.
Yeah he didn’t even mention the e cores or realize that clock frequency doesn’t matter between AMD vs Intel because architectures are so different. Not the best short I’ve ever seen.
Beyond how intensive a game is using the CPU, the more FPS a GPU produces the more we need a strong CPU, which explains why any bottleneck calculator will show less CPU needs the higher definition is. And by the way all this makes sense depending on monitor's refresh rate : a perfect CPU/GPU combo will provide the highest framerate, but if the monitor is 60 or 75 Hz you don't need up to 140 FPS and 100 FPS for the 1% low, and will feel better capping GPU's FPS at our monitor max refresh rate, giving more room to the GPU to produce way less framerate fluctuations, and so more fluidity as framerate fluctuation provocs stuttering. Which means if you're a non competitive gamer just enjoying a very smooth 60 or 75 FPS for games like Cyberpunk (and the usual AAA Action Adventure / RPG stuff) a 4070 can be pretty well managed by a 5800X3D (or even older older ones like a 3700X). It can even manage pretty well a 4090 for a buttery 60/75 FPS @ 4K. Our monitors are our first and main bottleneck, and most players would greatly benefit from capping a strong GPU.
That's it. In real world performance the 7800x3d is the best in producing gaming fps when paired with a high-powered GPU, but in regular productivity tasks it is at or below a 7700x.
An interesting presentation style, very engaging. But not enough information to make a choice based on the one short. Perhaps a section where you discuss bench marked numbers? one cinebench score isn't enough. Raw specs are one thing, but real numbers are another.
Cataclysm can you do a “which one is better” on the Intel Core i7-13700k vs i5 13600k? The 13700k is around $330~ and the 13600k is $250~ on Amazon because of Black Friday. So, which one would be a better buy? It would be great if you could be reply as soon as possible!
Still depends on the workloads. There is a minimal difference (~10 FPS) between the 13600k and 13900K, and even less between the 13600k and 13700k. Why? Because games currently suck at leveraging cores. 6 core processors are the way to go for gamers.
There is an upgrade path for the Zen 4 cpu. Intel on the other hand has exhausted its last cpu for the board, so no upgrade path unless you upgrade MOBO.
I mean, the Intel 13 th gen CPUs can use dd4 ram, but in some games/apps their performance is noticeably lower than when using ddr5, but ddr5 is coming down in price and the same can be said about am5 motherboards
I want to game with high cores and triple cache so I was thinking to go 7900 or 7950 because 8 cores is not cutting it in all general such as editing and playing so yeah I might go with all x3ds on am5 besides the 7800x3d
Not for everybody. 7800x3d is much better for gaming but the i9 is more workstation. Not everybody uses their of the same. If it’s strictly gaming, don’t choose the i9.
Basically to sum it up, if you play primarily gpu intensive games at very graphically demanding settings for example cod, cyberpunk, far cry, hell divers, or even fps games but with high settings and/or 1440p/4k, the difference in performance is so negligible it doesn’t matter and R7 actually beats the i9 in some games. If you play cpu intensive games for example Fortnite, apex legends, valorant, csgo, Minecraft etc. basically anything where you are playing with very low settings and just want low delay/high fps get the i9 any day. It gives around 20- 30% more performance in that scenario 👍🏾
It's in the air! I'm going to just stick with my series x and save thousands$! IT'S playable at 1080p120hz and I can multi task or play my Xbox one x at 4k 60fps. After doing research and watching video I can't see a difference at all. Plus I'm not a game competitor I would really waste/throw alot money away. Then I gotta look at is that pc going keep me happy fun or whatever
@@top5psMy 60€ pc can literally play at 1080p 120hz lol. Depends on the game though. Pcs are worth it, especially for the range of games you can play (and also everything else work related)
The 15th gen of Intel will be on a whole new socket so u will need to change your mother board but If u chose am5 amd processor u have a pretty good upgrade path
It really comes down to whether or not you value that marginally better gaming performance. I prefer Intel's CPUs because they're better all-rounders and cater to a wider scope of computer users.
The reason for Intel to be cheaper is that it's using ddr4.. Yes, you can take that dead-end route.. While going to the 7800x3d which is on the new platform not only you are using new tech but also has room for future upgrades
ya gotta throw the disclaimer in here. The cores are big.LITTLE which means you use the 8 P cores are the ones that matter. its an eye roll they use cheap E cores to fluff the numbers on benchmarks. i mean yes it had moee but its not a black and white issue.
Now it depends on the GPU, if you go ryzen then you have access to extra amd features and add a freesync monitor and your set. If you go nvidia then go intel
I have a 7800x3d and I've get about 5.6ghz on all cores. Also, you can get a DDR5 AM5 motherboard for as cheap as about $60USD. Only about $10 more than the cheapest intel motherboard I found. Price isn't that different for the non-cpu components. The 7800x3d is about $200 cheaper than the i9 13900k. Motherboard about $10 more. 2x16gb of ddr4-3200 for $50. Which is about $20 cheaper than the cheapest 2x16gb of ddr5-4800 at $72. So yeah, 7800x3d is far far cheaper overall than the Intel i9-13900k.
Should have been you’re first choice the I-9 has the highest single core speeds with major overclocking ability.. games that are highly dependent on CPU like rimworld and war hammer rts games do much better with the i9 and it performes just as good on everything els
@@mrwhiskers1471the problem is the upgradability and price to performance. Let me explain intel fanboy. Not only does the 7800x3d stay cooler and consume less power but its am5 platform is being supported for 5+ years while you’ll basically have to trash your whole system with intels 15th gen chips. Amd is the obvious choice for gamers at the moment.
I only paired my 4090 with a 13900K because I don't have the socket for AMD GPUs. (I upgraded from a 12700k) I'm too lazy, and quite frankly just don't want to get a new motherboard when games run just fine at 1440p (I know, low resolution for a 4090)
I thought the same that’s why I got the 7800x3d but when you think k about it the 12th 13th 14th gen was all on lga 1700 the 2700x 3700 5000 was on am4 so it’s almost the same thing
@@nostrum6410not exactly. Eventually you will upgrade your parts and the 13900k will have you completely fucked as you have to start fresh if you want a newer intel cpu. Am5 is covered for 5+ years
Microcenter has a bundle with the 7800x3d, motherboard and 32 gigs of DDR5 for less than the cost of the i9. If you’re just gaming, you don’t need an i9. Get the 7800x3d.
Short answer:
- 7800X3D for gamers (objectively more fps)
- 13900K for workstation (better for processing and rendering due to higher core count)
no
ryzen 7 7800x3d for gamer
i9 13900k is an allrounder.
@@hariam9574 yea I agree with your statement more but you didn't have to say "no" like he was 100% wrong lol
Of course duh, you can't game with an i9
@@hariam9574 of course, in the same sense that an 8L W16 Bugatti is an allrounder that I can drive my kids to school with too.
@@chiyolate it's not necessarily that it can't game, it's just that the 7800x3d has better performance
paying for a 13900k and not using ddr5 is like using a 4090 on a 9400f
Do you mean the motherboard or ram?
@@purple_haze8160 no i mean the cpu
Isnt the difference between ddr5 and ddr4 negligible?
@@damattboii5495 no it's not, specially for a difference of a couple bucks
@@stefanomartino2539 In most cases it is small difference in games. Good DDR4 RAM beats low end DDR5 in games and ties with mid range DDR5. In workstation tasks, memory bandwidth intensive tasks DDR5 of course is much better.
That isn't a fair comparison you should compare i7 13700k with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d. If you use i9 13900k you should compare it with Ryzen 9 7900x3d
7900x3d is a bad choice no matter what. You need multicore raw performance? Go with 7900x. Need top of the line gaming? Buy 7800x3d.
@@IMajst3RI yep well said
@@IMajst3RI I honestly can't get my head around the existence of the 7900x3D. The 7950X3D is MUCH better as an all rounder but the 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU
@@IMajst3RI No, get the 7950x3d for multicore. Otherwise it's not much worth it over 7800x3d
@@IMajst3RI yeah agree but to compare high end with mid tier ist kinda stupid
Nice review which helped me to make my choice. I choose Celeron g3400
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@@arghya_04 I am
bro is gonna regret that celron
well I have celeron n3050, time to get hated even more!!!!!!!!!!!
Bro works for user benchmark 💀
Then he would've noticed that the Intel chip is more expensive. By 37 percent
@@MrMali22not necessarily. in some countries, sellers placed a higher priced for AMD compared to Intel and Nvidia. Which I hate most of the time
He's not wrong tho, the faster frequencies and additional cores kill it in creative applications. Blender simulations adore fast clock speeds, lots of cores allows for lots of tracks in music production, and finally the quicksync with the iGPU is killer for video editing. Although i've heard 3d vcache does help with physics simulations but no one has cared enough to perform an actual benchmark that isnt cinebench...
Bro,
He stated that ryzen is better for gaming while intel is better for workstation.
He never said the intel chip is objectively better than the ryzen one.
Everything he said is true. 7800x3d better for gaming yet worse as a workstation
You forgot you can warm your house during winter with an i9, saving you heating bills. You can probably even fry an egg 😂
But im sure electricity bill kick up lol
@@demonfox51321 doesn't matter if you use your PC anyway. last winter I kept one small room nice and cozy with using my PC normally. no problem
If your getting an i9 and not using a proper cooler then its only your fault.
@@shereenhussian6651 woosh
@@plsbanhackers9031thanks for the tips, can save more money by not buying heater for the house..
Aah my house will be warm through the winter.. *"Here Comes The Winter"*
for gaming, all you need to know is that 7800x3d offers very similar performance with significant less power draw.
And significantly less price
So get the 13900k. Its way better.
@@SliceOfLife93-at being worse than the 7800x3d in terms of upgradability and price to performance
X3D actually beats 13 and 14900k by a good margin in almost every title, while drawing 3-4x less power.
It's not really a "good margin" both chips have favor over some games. Intel beats AMD in some, AMD beats Intel in some. Based off of many videos and benchmarks I've seen they both are very very similar in terms of performance. TDP, not even close.@@guitaristkuro8898
you forgot to say that not all 24 cores in the i9 are performance cores, some are also E-cores (less performant cores)
“SOME” is an understatement. More accurately, “MOST” (16 out of 24) cores are redundant e cores for gamers unless its a workstation build.
@@dank4841 we both right, there are more e cores than p cores but the e cores have only 1 thread, when comparing the e cores with the p cores we have the same number of threads
@@miirux9908I don't know like for the price of i9 you better of getting ryzen 7 and than getting better graphics card plus the i9 is for most build a overkill and if you have budget it's better to get the ryzen 7 it really depends
@@dank4841E-cores are used in gaming.
@@icy1007 Did I say they weren’t used? I said they were *redundant* in comparison.
It doesn't matter, the average gamer can't afford any of it.
If they have a good bugdet like mine (1400$) they can
@@pc_sovereign yes the 7800x3d is very cheap for the gaming performance u get from it
7800X3D 100%
Never. Fuck AMD. Intel any day.
7800X3D all the way.
It's just stupid to compare core count without saying 2/3 is just efficiency ones
And also clock speed doesn't matter because IPC matters too
Intel has higher IPC.
and E-cores are very useful.
@@icy1007This short happens to be about gaming, E-cores wont be useful on gaming performances. Its the P-Cores that actually matter.
@@BocchiSensei e-cores are used and do help with gaming.
@@icy1007No they dont and this is an area where I specialize in (Well its related, i specialize in computer science). Anyway E-cores are made for low demanding tasks, its in the name "Efficient"-cores. For gaming, E-cores can actually decrease performance and thats why they are used for background apps that run while you're gaming while the P-cores handle the actual gaming performance. In other applications like video editing, E-cores are useful and this is because that requires more "parallel computing", I am simplifying alot here but basically those kinds of applications benefit more from having more cores. All of this takes no longer than a minute from searching in the internet so please do before saying something next time.
If you still want proof from me, have you ever wondered why an 7800X3D (8 cores) was declared to be the fastest gaming cpu in the planet despite the i9-13900k (8 cores, 16 e-cores) exisiting? The 7800X3D actually has a higher core count brother the 7950X3D, yet it still gets beat out by it? Wonder why?
@@BocchiSenseiso for example: if i play a game in 1080p and i'm getting 200fps hmmm let's say valorant or modern warfare 2 , and while gaming i open up google chrome to watch youtube videos ( probably using 2 tabs of chrome ), does the E-Cores help to maintain the framerate in game to stay at 200fps ? or the framerate still decreases ?
If I have to assume the Ryzen is cheaper to cool and demands less watts, then the AMD one.
The ryzen 9 7950x Would be a more appropriate comparison option to it
Depends on the circumstances. For gaming the Ryzen 7 is the best CPU on the market, beating its Ryzen 9 ally by a decent amount
Agree on that last comment. It’s better then the 7950x that’s why he comparing it. Do your research
@@AlexLeonTVfor gaming sure but not anything else
@@AlexLeonTV Nah the other guy is right. If he was going to make an apples to apples comparison, then the 7950x would have been the better comparison. If it was simply gaming comparison, then he wouldn't have brought up the workstation performance.
Something like i7 is a great combo of workstation and gaming while being cheaper
Depends on the generation, but yes
In any case, just goes to show: vigorous competition quickly spurs rapid innovations which, ultimately, benefits everyone.
The R7 7800X3D is a little but real beast !
7800x3d kinda hot? Bro compared to the 13900K the 7800x3d is like comparing dry ice to lava
they both use the same amount of P-cores (8 cores) to run the games so that parts regardless when it comes to gaming it only helps it in do better in workstation tasks.
Imma have to go with the 7800X3D
Perhaps you should compare two CPUs that are in the same class, which in this case would be Intel I9 13900K and Ryzen 7950X or even the Ryzen Treadripper 7960X maybe you’re just comparing the 13900K to 7700/7800X because you know the Treadrippper would eat the 13900K alive
no it isn't the same class RERE piss.
The 14700k vs 7800x3d is same class. The 13900k is a re-released 14700k. So comparing them is completely fine. Sorry that your brain is level RERE. I guess data to hard for you. Video poster nailed this perfect. Sorry you upset.
@@fighterpimp13900k has more cores than the 14700k
I'm building my PC around the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Originally I was going with the latest Ryzen 9, but I was recommended the 7800X3D as I said I wanted my PC to be solely focused for gaming.
good choise
Good choice indeed. More cores isn’t always better. The 79xxX3D chips have P cores that don’t use the 3D v-cache, so if the game’s process gets assigned to those core(s), you’re not benefiting from the X3D’s higher cache.
Clockrate is not a direct measurement of how fast a processor processes stuff. Things that affect the overall speed, in addition to the clockrate, include the instruction set used, the memory bus, and better measurements are instructions per second, or operations per second. Also, cores can be virtual (logical) or physical. Another thing is that speed can make up for a shortage of cores through multithreading (usually not enough to be a perfect substitute, but a good way of looking at it is a processor with 1 operation per second and 2 cores will work as fast as a processor at 2 operations per second with one core in some cases, but the faster single core will beat the slower dual core if they are both given a single operation (not a perfect comparison, and the equivalency is not a perfect 1 to 1);). multicore processors have an advantage with multitasking, and multithreading is not a perfect substitute for that but it helps.
You forgot that the X3D specifically has lower clocks compared to the non 3D counterparts because it can perform more in a cycle due to its massively increased cache.
@@guitaristkuro8898 thanks for adding that info!
Ya need to note out that the 16 of the core are efficieny cores. So the amount of performance cores are 8 which is the same. Doesn't change that i9 has way more headroom obviously.
But ryzen is upgradable
If you are using ddr4 with a 13900k you picked the wrong processor…
@@I_Ventedyour point?
Thank you for all of these comparisons that you’ve been doing. It’s been very informative.❤
Built a PC with a 7800X3D like a week ago. It performs astonishingly well. And you don't even need to water cool it. The Peerless Assassin keeps it below 75 degrees under heavy load.
Can you have multiple tabs open or apps
@@top5psthat’s more of a ram thing but the 7800x3d can very much handle that
13900K has 36mb l3 cache
Lmao what a joke.
The power consumption difference alone is enough for me to choose the AMD one.
Ryzen 7 consumes over twice the power at idle as the I9…
@@greengamma569Tell me how many hours per day one uses a CPU and how many hours they actually have it do nothing. It's insane to positively compare this Intel CPU for power consumption.
@@Trusteft pretty much doing anything other than gaming=idling. If you surf the web or watch videos on CZcams the amd cpu will use twice the power.
@@greengamma569and? 7800x3d is still the way to go. (Also that’s blatantly wrong but ok)
Im still sticking with amd, in love with the ryzens
More L3 cache would affect performance in some workloads actually it just really depends what that workload is
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This guy teaches like a teacher in class. Good work comparing the two chips bro
short answer: 7800x3d for gamers
7950x for people doing real work
13900k for people who enjoy performance from 3 years ago
so 14k series doesn't exist I guess................... Even though it is performing at the same levels in games and tasks as the 7950........... Whelp I guess when we drink from the RERE toilet like you do. Something got you.
@@fighterpimpNot we, only you.
Never had a serious problem with Intel, AMD has always given me Dip issues. That alone makes my mind up for me. Fuck AMD Chips.
Which GPU and motherboard would you pair with the Ryzen assuming no budget, and preferred brand?
Well first, get the Intel instead. Then get a 3090 if you can and an asus rog strix motherboard
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690well first, your wrong intel fanboy. If you want a good upgrade path, get the 7800x3d and the latest nvidia/amd gpu if no budget. Personally I wouldn’t go with an asus mobo due to their terrible quality control and poor voltage issues. Go with an msi/asrock mobo instead (that includes nzxt for aesthetics if it matter that much.
i have i7-13700k in my pc and for me its the best CPU for everything
@BlazzyRO I'm also tending to buy i7-13700k. What's the rest of your build?
@@nig3308 rtx 4070 ti + 32gb 6400mhz ddr5 + 1tb 990pro + 2tb nv2 + 2tb wd black hdd
Do you think the i7 13 is enough ir should i get the i9 13 to pair with my 4070ti?
@@snareplug3872I'm thinking of the same build just not sure if I should get i9 13 or i7 13
@@snareplug3872you don’t need an I9 13th gen for the 4070ti, I’d go for the I7 13th gen but up to you really
I use the 13900k for my vr and full body , also for my ai trained real time voice changer and my speech to text , I’d never switch to anything else , it’s pure perfection.
For me I will choose which is cheaper and more value for money
i9 13900ks every day of the week
Depends. For gaming the 13900k is an 8 core as well. Since the 13700k is also an 8 core when it comes to gaming and both have unlocked multipliers the 13900k shouldnt even be on your options list when it comes to purely gaming.
Yeah he didn’t even mention the e cores or realize that clock frequency doesn’t matter between AMD vs Intel because architectures are so different. Not the best short I’ve ever seen.
I chosed ryzen 7 7800x3d & i love it ❤
Beyond how intensive a game is using the CPU, the more FPS a GPU produces the more we need a strong CPU, which explains why any bottleneck calculator will show less CPU needs the higher definition is.
And by the way all this makes sense depending on monitor's refresh rate : a perfect CPU/GPU combo will provide the highest framerate, but if the monitor is 60 or 75 Hz you don't need up to 140 FPS and 100 FPS for the 1% low, and will feel better capping GPU's FPS at our monitor max refresh rate, giving more room to the GPU to produce way less framerate fluctuations, and so more fluidity as framerate fluctuation provocs stuttering.
Which means if you're a non competitive gamer just enjoying a very smooth 60 or 75 FPS for games like Cyberpunk (and the usual AAA Action Adventure / RPG stuff) a 4070 can be pretty well managed by a 5800X3D (or even older older ones like a 3700X). It can even manage pretty well a 4090 for a buttery 60/75 FPS @ 4K.
Our monitors are our first and main bottleneck, and most players would greatly benefit from capping a strong GPU.
You missed the most important part:
Real world *PERFORMANCE*
That's it. In real world performance the 7800x3d is the best in producing gaming fps when paired with a high-powered GPU, but in regular productivity tasks it is at or below a 7700x.
@@hermanwooster8944 That's why I got 7800X3D for gaming.
How about comparing apples with apples, and not apples with oranges…. Pointless video
This is literally one of the biggest gaming comparisons. It’s apples to apples.
Just built a new gaming PC this weekend with the 7800 X3D. Got a great deal at Microcenter, absolutely love it.
did you get a combo or just the cpu by itself?
@@huutri0909 just the CPU, but it was on sale, and they had some other offers at the time if you were buying parts.
An interesting presentation style, very engaging. But not enough information to make a choice based on the one short. Perhaps a section where you discuss bench marked numbers? one cinebench score isn't enough. Raw specs are one thing, but real numbers are another.
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Intel core i9 13900k
beautiful explanation!!!
The R7 since on am5 and 15th gen is gonna be using a new chipset
Team ryzen team intel
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Can you compare the latest Intel processor so the i9 to the and thread ripper please
I play video games 16/7 so 7800x3d is just perfect. Also electricity bill will be cheaper
Which should I use for studying architect?
Intel
Cataclysm can you do a “which one is better” on the Intel Core i7-13700k vs i5 13600k? The 13700k is around $330~ and the 13600k is $250~ on Amazon because of Black Friday. So, which one would be a better buy? It would be great if you could be reply as soon as possible!
Omg please research intel cores because it’s clear you need more info. i3,i5,i7,i9. Hint: look at the numbers after the “i”
Still depends on the workloads. There is a minimal difference (~10 FPS) between the 13600k and 13900K, and even less between the 13600k and 13700k. Why? Because games currently suck at leveraging cores. 6 core processors are the way to go for gamers.
There is an upgrade path for the Zen 4 cpu. Intel on the other hand has exhausted its last cpu for the board, so no upgrade path unless you upgrade MOBO.
I have seen complaints about the E core scheduling, would go amd
The r7 7800x3d is just way better in gaming performance while the i9 is best in raw performance
I mean, the Intel 13 th gen CPUs can use dd4 ram, but in some games/apps their performance is noticeably lower than when using ddr5, but ddr5 is coming down in price and the same can be said about am5 motherboards
I want to game with high cores and triple cache so I was thinking to go 7900 or 7950 because 8 cores is not cutting it in all general such as editing and playing so yeah I might go with all x3ds on am5 besides the 7800x3d
good choice
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I9 without hesitation.. cuz the PC serves for other things not only gaming
Not for everybody. 7800x3d is much better for gaming but the i9 is more workstation. Not everybody uses their of the same. If it’s strictly gaming, don’t choose the i9.
Damn now i gotta spend more time looking for the prices cus the $$$ didnt tell me the actual price
About $150 difference here
I'm actually going to be buying a 7800X3D for my first PC build soon
There are actually very few motherboards that can properly support the i9, and NONE of them are cheap.
Good point
I heard the 7900 is good as well, especially at that power consumption
It is indeed, I have the 7900X which is just the slightly faster factory overclock Ed version and it’s insane
Basically to sum it up, if you play primarily gpu intensive games at very graphically demanding settings for example cod, cyberpunk, far cry, hell divers, or even fps games but with high settings and/or 1440p/4k, the difference in performance is so negligible it doesn’t matter and R7 actually beats the i9 in some games.
If you play cpu intensive games for example Fortnite, apex legends, valorant, csgo, Minecraft etc. basically anything where you are playing with very low settings and just want low delay/high fps get the i9 any day. It gives around 20- 30% more performance in that scenario 👍🏾
Now I’m even more confused on whether I should go with Intel or AMD, but thanks for the info lol
The answer is simple :13900k for workstation and 7800x3d for gaming. Absolutely no doubt on that
It's in the air! I'm going to just stick with my series x and save thousands$! IT'S playable at 1080p120hz and I can multi task or play my Xbox one x at 4k 60fps. After doing research and watching video I can't see a difference at all. Plus I'm not a game competitor I would really waste/throw alot money away. Then I gotta look at is that pc going keep me happy fun or whatever
@@top5psMy 60€ pc can literally play at 1080p 120hz lol. Depends on the game though. Pcs are worth it, especially for the range of games you can play (and also everything else work related)
The 15th gen of Intel will be on a whole new socket so u will need to change your mother board but If u chose am5 amd processor u have a pretty good upgrade path
I would choose i5 12400F and a B760M DDR5 supported so upgrades won't hurt my purse too much
Id consider the amd option more cost effective given that youre getting more for less, if im getting an i9 im not using ddr4
It really comes down to whether or not you value that marginally better gaming performance. I prefer Intel's CPUs because they're better all-rounders and cater to a wider scope of computer users.
I built a computer back in 2016 with a amd ryzen cpu, and it didnt go well at all, so im picking the i9 13900k all day in my new pc.
The reason for Intel to be cheaper is that it's using ddr4.. Yes, you can take that dead-end route.. While going to the 7800x3d which is on the new platform not only you are using new tech but also has room for future upgrades
Rizen because you can just upgrade the cpu when the next come in. For I9 you also have to upgrade the motherbord
Intel is best for gamers who also use it as a workstation. Amd for pure gaming.
nice temperature measure... nice cores counting...
ya gotta throw the disclaimer in here. The cores are big.LITTLE which means you use the 8 P cores are the ones that matter. its an eye roll they use cheap E cores to fluff the numbers on benchmarks. i mean yes it had moee but its not a black and white issue.
Now it depends on the GPU, if you go ryzen then you have access to extra amd features and add a freesync monitor and your set. If you go nvidia then go intel
7800X3d I want to use a long turn Platform Upgrade Path. Think about the Real Pricing.
I have a 7800x3d and I've get about 5.6ghz on all cores.
Also, you can get a DDR5 AM5 motherboard for as cheap as about $60USD. Only about $10 more than the cheapest intel motherboard I found. Price isn't that different for the non-cpu components.
The 7800x3d is about $200 cheaper than the i9 13900k. Motherboard about $10 more. 2x16gb of ddr4-3200 for $50. Which is about $20 cheaper than the cheapest 2x16gb of ddr5-4800 at $72.
So yeah, 7800x3d is far far cheaper overall than the Intel i9-13900k.
DD5 motherboard for $60? How
Its really a hard choice.
I will choose the Ryzen 7 one but I9 was my first choice.
Should have been you’re first choice the I-9 has the highest single core speeds with major overclocking ability.. games that are highly dependent on CPU like rimworld and war hammer rts games do much better with the i9 and it performes just as good on everything els
@@mrwhiskers1471the problem is the upgradability and price to performance. Let me explain intel fanboy. Not only does the 7800x3d stay cooler and consume less power but its am5 platform is being supported for 5+ years while you’ll basically have to trash your whole system with intels 15th gen chips. Amd is the obvious choice for gamers at the moment.
@@mrwhiskers1471plus the 13900k is 150 extra dollars for a 10% performance boost. 7800x3d just can’t be beaten at the moment
7950X3D for Gamers in AMD
I9 13900KS for Workstations/Gaming
I only paired my 4090 with a 13900K because I don't have the socket for AMD GPUs. (I upgraded from a 12700k)
I'm too lazy, and quite frankly just don't want to get a new motherboard when games run just fine at 1440p (I know, low resolution for a 4090)
Why do you even change cpu every year? 😅 bruh
Am5 will still be used in ryzen 8000 series but the Intel sockets are being replaced with 15th gen
I thought the same that’s why I got the 7800x3d but when you think k about it the 12th 13th 14th gen was all on lga 1700 the 2700x 3700 5000 was on am4 so it’s almost the same thing
Sorry im newbie, but what better processor for gaming than ryzen 7600/7500f? Budget around that processor i mention
I'd rather pick i7-13700K instead. Rather than picking expensive 13th gen i9 or ryzen 7 7x3d that only focus on gaming
Upgradability of the platform should be considered as well
@@nostrum6410not exactly. Eventually you will upgrade your parts and the 13900k will have you completely fucked as you have to start fresh if you want a newer intel cpu. Am5 is covered for 5+ years
Microcenter has a bundle with the 7800x3d, motherboard and 32 gigs of DDR5 for less than the cost of the i9. If you’re just gaming, you don’t need an i9. Get the 7800x3d.
Short answer:
I9: Content creation and workstation
R7: gaming
Should compared with 7950 x or 7950x3d
What about intels efficiency cores affecting performance?
I just got a pc deal with microcenter and got the ryzen for only 200 bucks
Never gonna need 24 cores so maybe the 13700k or the 7950x3d
I still love a trusty intel cpu
What's the difference between the Ryzen 9 7950X3D Vs Ryzen 7 7800X3D
As someone who's playing a CPU intensive Sim, i'll choose the I9 in a Heartbeat.
L2 cache is given to intel this gen but well that per core cache and gaming ptefer all core cache somehow