Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - Brilliant But Lazy
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Arkham Asylum actually released in 2009, am I stupid?
Perhaps
Do you want me to be honest or do you want me to say what you want to hear
No you are insane i sentence you to 15 minutes in
R/batman arkham
no, its just a mistake, some people would call you that but a mistake helps us grow to be better, without them we cant be us, now think about it.
r/ArkhamBatman joke in a Spider-Man video. Are you stupid?
I think it’s also worth mentioning that the way they went about killing main villains offscreen is a pretty odd choice. I mean, they kill off rhino, shocker, vulture, and scorpion without batting an eye almost. It’s like Spider-Man says, “oh man Kraven killed this guy too!”, then he moves on. I just feel like it could’ve been executed better because these villains had so much substance in the first game and didn’t deserve off screen deaths that are pretty much glossed over.
Arguable vulture is already dying from his cancer and electro is just a doofus who is way over his head the only thing i want is kraven vs shocker since he said hes the only guy who made him struggle by a lot
@@spider-man5544Herman getting the respect he deserves
Rhino isn't dead smh
I think it would’ve been better if they made the miles morales book “Wings of Fury” as dlc for MM and kill off Vulture there since he was the main villain. Keep Shocker and Electro alive and have them as side mission in SM2. Scorpion can still die but I think it’d be better to cut out the Miles hallucination and move it to another mission where Miles and Harry team up(building up their relationship) and find Scorpion. He poisons Miles and Harry. Then during the symbiote invasion, Scorpion gets a symbiote and fights Miles after he entered the symbiote hive mind and Miles gets to return the favor for getting poisoned.
@@spider-man5544 Vulture dying from cancer could've led to a compelling story and MUCH NEEDED development for Kraven due to him being able to relate
Feels like they had a checklist of things they wanted to happen rather than building a naturalistic extension of the first game
that's exactly it, as per Sweet baby Inc, the priority wasn't on a quality game or respecting characters
Like all the Symbiote stuff was just crammed into this game. Trying to put in as much Symbiote related content as possible while not giving it the time and fleshing out it really needed resulting in things going unexplained and kind of hand waved to just get things going
We had black suit spiderman, venom, agent venom, anti venom, scream, carnage(this one was just teased in a sidequest so it's not so bad) and Knull. Thats way too much and most of those were halfbaked and it has to share the runtime with Kraven.
@@maikkniss3971 Knull isn’t even name dropped or anything like that and considering how they changed the symbiote a bit for the narrative (immune to fire). I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a heavily nerfed version of Knull that’s no where near cosmic level and only shares the design aesthetic for references sake.
Doesn’t help that things like the meteorite that seem to play such an integral role to the plot go heavily unexplained and hand waved for the sake of being a MacGuffin that conveniently solves the Symbiote problem when destroyed with it also being unexplained how the characters even came to that conclusion
@@marcusclark1339if it wasn't a quality game then no web-wings, no balanced combat, toggleable swinging mechanics, same bland mj with no way to defend herself, no fall dmg, no symbiote abilities(just peter in a advanced but black that only increases dmg during symbiote surge), no expanded map, but no we're gonna ignore that because you tryna bring up politics in this game because you thought they're involved in the story of sm2 with no factual evidence
One of my biggest gripes is that the iron arms are barely canon to the story. They were acknowledged and used once at the beginning of the game against Sandman, and that was it. They were featured prominently in promotional material so you’d think they had a large role in the story
They wanted to make the story more about venom and Miles, it sucks that they put Pete down in the process.
I had the same gripe with the arms. It seemed like they were just “there”. Not really for anything other than, “look you have this extra feature now!” But I never used them because in all honesty they looked ineffective and looked like they could easily be snapped.
It didn’t have that omph factor
@@Mally620this is why I didn’t like the inclusion of miles. It should’ve just been a Peter game, and miles gets his own game later. They put too much direction towards miles, who I don’t find that interesting
That’s your gripe? lol 😂 🤦🏾♂️
@@dannyhernandez265I completely disagree while I like them both as characters I think it would have been better for most of the game to have them always working together even in story missions, then when the symbiote appears Peter thinks he doesn’t need miles.
As a Venom fan, I was dissapointed with this iteration of Venom. I admit I was pissed when I read it wasn’t Eddie Brock but I wanted to give Harry a chance.
But I was dissapointed when I saw that Venom motivation was to “heal the world” and tried to take over the world with symbiotes. This isn’t an original story (even through the creative director said that was the objective with Venom) the symbiote invasion plot has done like 4 times.
What made Venom stands out as a villain it’s that he didn’t want to gain power and take over the wolrd but just kill Spider-man because he accused him of being a destroyer of innocents who made him lost everything. With him having also a twisted sense of morality he was sort of dark mirror of Spider-Man. None of that was in the version of Venom in the game. Heck he didn’t even use webs. In this game Venom was more a generic alien monster (he has literally the same mindset as Movie Riot). Also I don’t like they made like the symbiote was like manipulating Harry and Harry was like a victim of the symbiote. It destroy the whole “We are Venom” and the symbiotic relationship between the host and the symbiote. Venom when introduced was Eddie Brock and the symbiote working together united by their common hatred for Spider-Man.
And not to mention the creatice director said everything you love about the character will be there but apart from the design I didn’t see anything else I love about Venom
They essentially did what Venom 2 did with Carnage to Venom in this game. Make the symbiote and the host incompatible
@@no.1spidey-fan182 even through I would argue Venom 2 case is worse
Thank you for articulating my thoughts on this. I knew there was a reason I hated Insomniac’s Venom, and this sums it up nicely
@@M61322 most of the elements I noted of Venom are present in Venom first storylines and Imsomniac had no excuse to not use it if their promise was their take on Venom having everything you love about the character .
But in many adaption like 90’S TAS Eddie and symbiote are united by their common hatred for Spider-man and they don’t have the host literally being the symbiote victim like here. Unfortunately many modern adaptions follow this trope that the host is a prisoner of the symbiote who acts like a evil parasyte (I’m looking at you Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon)
“So Venom using Harry’s dark nature and pure need to help the world does fit his character”
If you think that “taking over the world with symbiotes” fits the guy who since his debut had as his objective just kill Spider-Man I don’t think you have read much about the character
“And Venom was just a bad guy at the start”
With the characteristics I mentioned in my first comment
“They didn’t start making him complex until after he got popular. ”
1. I repeat that this doesn’t excuse them to not adding those since they said everything you love about the character would be there
2. As I said most elements are mentioned are present since Venom first storylines
“So most of the things are a part of Venom’s character are present. Just not the things you want.”
What are you saying? This version was Venom only in name and design. Apart from that there is NOTHING that I love about the character in this version.
@@M61322 even if we limit to villain Venom all the stuff I mentioned in my comment it’s still present. “Just tweaked with Harry wanting to heal the world and Venom being mad at Peter for rejecting it.”
As I explained what made Venom stand out is that he didn’t want to take over the world or gain power but just kill spider-man. This version doesn’t have that. And when was the symbiote shown angry at Peter for rejectiong (anyway even if it was it was totally irrelevant since Venom motivation as a villain isn’t about hating Spider-man but healing the world) and the fact that you continue to refer to the symbiote as Venom, I don’t you have read much about him
F in chat for my boy Scarlet Spider II not returning
He was never in rhe game
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 The suit...
@Natezilla_2 oh bro you mean the Kaine suit? OH!!! The one from your profile pic? Ok I thought you meant the scarlet spider Ben Reilly as spider-man
And STILL no Sensational suit. Fucking pain
A crackpot theory of mine is that the Venom fight was going to have at least one more phase where you fight Venom as Peter with Miles as backup. I noticed a weird shot in the cutscene following Miles's last phase where the camera moves into place behind Peter like you're about to play as him.
You actually just summed up my thoughts on the game with that one quote. The Game is fantastic but it could have been a lot more. It’s not completely lazy but they could have made this game perfect and not just fantastic.
Man U missed your chance to say spectacular
I agree 100% with both of you
And it’s crazy bc they had time to do it
its just bad with fine parts of gameplay the whole is still BAD
but people hate admitting that
more u know on sweet baby inc the worse it gets
dude bad its not. There are a lot of bad games there and marvel's spider man 2 is a good game, fun as hell. The only problem is that the story is too short and rushed on arc 2 and arc 3 @@marcusclark1339
I agree that the story was way to rushed. In game I think Peter has the symbiote for like 2 maybe 3 days and we’re supposed to believe he had it so long he has remnants of venom in him. It’s weird to me.
They wanted to double everything in the game but not double the length of the story which probably needed to happen. I was playing the game at what I believed to be a snails pace and still finished the game in 4 days.
@@AP90x I felt the same way. The game flys by and is very reliant on the player padding out their own play time. I did a second play through and you really see how lighting fast the story flys by.
yup cause the point was not on characters or story but politics as per Sweet Baby Inc (look them up and you'll know) it infects all of this game and its the reason so much is as it is
@@AP90x no cause then you people would complain that it was too long and you got burnt out too quickly and never finished, fickle as fuck. You people don't know what you want cause you can never be happy with what is provided, I for one enjoyed the story for what it was and made my own logical conclusions for things that were either glossed over or were not explained.
@@theheadofthetable4246
I didn’t have a problem with the first game’s runtime after I finished it. It felt just right, but this game absolutely did feel short and comparatively rushed. I really enjoyed the game, but wanted more of it. And I was disappointed in the ending, because it didn’t feel as neatly tied up as the first game did when it ended. That said, I like the combat and traversal more in this game than the first.
I guess what I’m trying to say is I agree with the video, Spider-Man 2 is good, but could’ve been better
Agreed. I liked the story more or less for the first third or so. I was shocked when it started sprinting to the end.
Not to mention, Tony Todd, Venom’s VA apparently said that 90% of his dialogue were scrapped.
@@DeterminedTorreswow
@@DeterminedTorresthat just makes me think Venom was gonna be playable way more often, what a shame
Well at least he will have a spin off game now because of it so That's a W@@jlit5215
@@DeterminedTorresthat’s so disappointing.
Dude you nailed it. Game is awesome fun as hell but felt short and rushed as fuck. With now two spideys we should have at least double of story content than the first and yet the game was shorter
The problem isnt that its short, its that it isnt replayable.
It's short they rush the black suit and venom story arc. Peter should of been feeling inadequate compared. The black suit is supposed to make him stronger and make him more aggressive. They didn't really build it up or let us watch Peter decent.
@@dm8in it is also very short. Venom and kraven needed ALOT more screentime
@@dm8inI disagree there’s plenty to replay but it’s too short. The he first game I realize I can platinum in 20 hours flat but first time playing it took me a long time (how a game should be if you’re not grinding). Without even farming for trophies I still platniumed the game in 25 hours. It’s way too short for the 3 year wait. What they gave us is great and fun but there’s just not enough. The fact hideouts can’t even be replayed is fucking crazy.
@@imposterimo946 I think the main issue is that sm2 just isn't that good. Other "short" games like resident evil, devil may cry, the old god of wars don't get any hate for being too short because they were great games and very replayable.
Well when I first saw insomniac spider-man get killed off by Kraven like it was a piece of cake, my whole reaction was like
Where’s that spider-sense when you need it?
I think it’s because Kraven is a hunter and can hide very well as shown in the game where he hides in a guys shadow, so not even the spider sense detects him about to attack.
@@M61322last hunt
His sense reacted, you can see his eyes widen a bit and that his hand tries to stop Kraven from stabbing him.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Oh!, Thanks for the calcification!…didn’t realize it…Thanks!
A random Venom boss fight while freeroaming is something I've never realized I wanted except now since you mentioned it. Would make a perfect Horror aspect of the game, I love it.
Yeah it really annoys me how Venom (The Symbiote) doesn't block Spider-Man's sense in this one. That and now where he is invincible to fire which we all know it isn't canon to the comics.
I’m fine with him not being weak to fire, because i feel like the fire weakness makes it completely unbelievable for him to take over a city if some random, powerless civilian owns a gas canister and a lighter they can beat venom and that doesn’t feel right
@@ancloud8459 I find it very hard to believe that Venom would get instantly knocked out by a ciggarette lighter. He is vulnerable to fire just like how he is vulnerable to electricity and sound. It doesn't mean that he is gonna die if let's say you hit him with a gus canister but it will have a small effect on him (that until Venom regenerates). It's possible to defeat him if he is exposed to a larger dose of that weakness. But you have to be Spider-Man to pull that one off.
it’s a different universe, they don’t have to follow the mainline universe
@@Sonicthehedgehog-ub2oj I believe that's just a lazy excuse the executives of the studio throw at us because they didn't want to do enough research for the character. But to each his own I guess.
@iceuffer That really has nothing to do with research, they did plenty of that shown by all the references. It's not like they had no idea that venom is weak to fire because they're lazy, it's just an artistic decision to change the character. I don't even like this venom but I don't find this a very captivating nitpick
Web of Shadows was amazing, especially since it was made in barely a year because Activision
Web of shadows in my opinion is the best spiderman game
The biggest problem is they tried to balance 2 spider men in the same amount of time as the first game the story should’ve been twice as long to account for the fact we have 2 character arcs or honestly just keeping them in their own separate games wouldve been better then us getting a half baked story everything starts off so strong but then you realize everything is going to be completely rushed you can tell they cut out a lot of things I honestly think they were forced to rush the game out before it was truly ready
i had been waiting for this game since the first one and it just left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. I had a fun time playing the game but the story fell short too many times for my liking.
Me too man, I was definitely a little disappointed ;(
Ok wow now that you mentioned it, I noticed it too. The character build-up in the first game is just brilliant. Like slowly seeing Doc Ock getting there in both good and bad way is heart-breaking. Then the mission with Peter investigating Li's lair is creepy and scary as hell. Then of course Peter not constantly sorry and getting his ass rekt is also nice to see. Instead Pete in part 2 is like a princess, and constantly needs saving really kills the vibe of the character
@@M61322 I wouldnt say rekt. Can clearly tell he is holding back hard vs Sable. While in this game, he gets rekt by Miles, who cant even beat Kraven, who get rekt by Peter himself. Remember how he can 1vs2 Rhino and Scorpion, but he gets rekt solo by Rhino in Miles Morales ?
Well he got saved by Harry in the park, by the Symbiote, by Miles in Sandman fight, I would say by Miles again to take off the suit. And by Miles and Li to get Anti-Venom, and by Wraith in the Flame fight. Thats at least 06 times.
@@DarkMoon309miles only beat Peter because of the giant ass bell, and Peter just fought kraven at that point.
@@M61322apparently you’re forgetting the fact that the writers themselves confirmed that they intentionally had Miles saving Peter throughout the story to prove that he was good enough to replace him as their main Spider-Man. Those are their words. Any bullshit you want to peddle in an effort to deny what we clearly observed and what the writers clearly were attempting to convey is gaslighting. Not to even mention they hired Sweet Baby Inc. to shoehorn in an ESG checklist. They took an intentional dump on Peter to prop up Miles. Hurray, our 25 year old Peter is apparently geriatric and needs to retire so that Miles can take over for him. They won’t be seeing my money again.
@@M61322you apparently missed it around a month ago when it was literally all over CZcams that the devs had replaced Peter with Miles as their new “Main Spider-Man”. As in Peter is no longer the face of insomniac Spider-Man. They went into detail about how they attempted to convey this transition by showing Miles holding everyone together. He had to keep himself up and lift Peter up at the same time. They talked about him saving Peter and proving over and over that he was ready to replace him.
Obviously those aren’t the exact words, but those are close. They absolutely did replace Peter, and they absolutely did use the story to drag Peter down in an effort to lift Miles up. Those 2 things are undeniable after being confirmed by the writers themselves.
@@M61322oh right, let’s just pretend you don’t care after you spent multiple paragraphs attempting to defend something you were objectively wrong about. Anyway…
This game really reminds me of when you put a ton of effort into a project, and then realize the deadline is tomorrow and rush the last half
I think it's worth mentioning that the way they went with killing off villains off screen is a odd choice and I feel like they could've explored that more I really hate how they glossed over the villain deaths
They did a disservice to both Kraven and Venom especially seeing as how they're both fan favorite villains. As Alfred Molina once said "What makes a great villain is that they become villains reluctantly or in spite of themselves and in a lesser environment you just have a functionaries that are there to get the plot going." That's EXACTLY what happened with Kraven and Venom. Where as in Spider-Man 1 Mr Negative and Doc Ock had great character arcs.
It's interesting when Miles admits he can't forgive Martin Li because psych studies have shown that people really don't "forgive and forget" even if that's their intention. People get over betrayal mostly by just forgetting about it.
Im not even looking forward to Spiderman 3 anymore i just have such a bad taste in my mouth now. Spiderman PS4 had such an amazing and complete spiderman story and i guess we will just never get that again.
I wouldn’t give up just yet this game was great it just needed a few more hours of story they’ll get it in the next game
I think that’s a YOU problem a lot of people enjoyed the game
@@freshprinz9829a lot of people also didn’t enjoy the game. Bought the collectors edition and was left disappointed. Any dev that hires Sweet Baby Inc should be boycotted into oblivion. They won’t be seeing my money again.
The fact that they want to introduce yet ANOTHER Spiderman, Silk. When they could barely handle both. Insomniac writing has been piss poor lately.
@@awsomeboy360debatable but there's still room for improvement
Yeah I can see where the criticisms are coming from. It's really hard to top what was done in the first game, and the clunky story with Venom can be mixed for some people. Honestly it reminds me of Rami's Spider-Man 3. There's some great moments spread throughout, but it's bogged down by too many ideas at once.
Whats up with Sony, Venom, and content creep?
Yeah and the part Miles forgives mr negative, remind me of SM3 too.
@@vengeance4566
Except that was done much better in the movie. Here it's just "oh hey, you purposefully killed a bunch of innocent people including my father, but I'll just let you go".
I honestly dont even think it was cuz of too much ideas, with a movie you have to be a bit limited cuz 3 hours is the max
With a game, fuck it you can have as much as you want, the game honestly needed 10 or 20 more hours on top of tthe 20 hour main story timeline it had, but Triple A games are expensive and I dont think Sony and or Insomniac wanted to burn more money than they should and lose momentu, with Miles Morales
This is a bit of a nitpick but I always hated the idea of Peter taking a break from Spider-Man. I get it, Peter deserves one more than anyone, but he has responsibility god damn it. I like the idea of him just helping the people around town instead of him trying to stop major crimes or anything of the sort but I feel like he'd still want to help people.
ikr even in the spiderman 2 movie they made it clear how much of a difference he actually makes in saving ppl. even tho theres miles so many more lives would still be saved with the both of them
@@rhinuu045 Yeah, didn’t Peter say “as long as I’m around no one dies” in a comic or something like that. He wouldn’t want to risk anyone’s life because he wants to focus on his own. That’s selfish and it’s literally what killed Uncle Ben.
@@M61322 I mean, if he can intervene and save someone’s life, it literally is his fault. I think it’s not his fault when he’s trying his best to keep people safe instead of when he isn’t trying at all. Like Aunt May’s death in One More Day wasn’t his fault, granted the story acts like it is because he tried to save her from a bullet. There obviously was a time skip between the time he took a break during Spider-Man Miles Morales and when he did it in this game but they really shouldn’t of done this twice. Peter’s life is all about balance, it’s unsatisfying watching him quit for a bit, again.
@@M61322 I didn’t get your comment on Uncle Ben, but I got notified on my computer for some reason. If Peter put his foot out and tripped the robber no one would’ve gotten hurt. But instead, Peter did nothing. He could’ve put his ego aside and did the right thing but decided to take action but he didn’t.
@@M61322 Agree to disagree. I think it’s still mostly his fault in both scenarios but I get what you’re coming from. Though personally I think Uncle Ben’s death in Amazing Spider-Man was Ben’s fault tbh. He literally sees a random dude with a gun and fights him for it. He could’ve just had that as self defense.
The game really needed a script revision and have a few more hours of story
And, not be released this year, the game has problems and a lack of content compared to 2018 and Miles
Agreed I hope when ng+ comes out next year they fix that
@@insertnamehere259so like a director’s cut
My main problem is that in the final boss fight it seems like the symbiote is talking through Harry instead of Harry and the symbiote acting as duel personalities. It makes it so the symbiote is just controlling Harry and that just isn’t as interesting in my opinion.
Also Venom just isn’t in the game enough. Act 3 is only six missions and it feels like a whole new game crammed into an already existing one. The almost perfect pacing of the first two act just shows that act 3 was rushed even more. The actual content is good we just needed more Venom because his voice acting and design were perfect.
Now to positives.
The voice acting is stellar. Yuri Lowental puts his heart and soul into his performance. He’s able to balance playing Symbiote Spider-Man and your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man perfectly. At the start of the game you can just see that Peter is too cheerful. Like the game just lost his aunt why is he acting like that? But as we play it makes more sense. Peter is repressing his pain and grief because he wants to do everything he can to protect the people he loves that are left. There’s a really great moment where Peter and Miles talk about their parental figures and Miles says to Peter that May and Jeff wouldn’t want them to think about them anymore instead they’d want them to help people. Yuri is so good as black suit Spider-Man. He portrays the anger and rage that the symbiote brings out in Peter perfectly. Yuri is my favourite Spider-Man voice actor and my second favourite Spider-Man actor in general just after Andrew Garfield. I felt all the pain in Peters voice and I felt so bad for him and wanted him to find his way back to the light and when he finally did it was so satisfying. Great job Yuri.
Tony Todd is the definitive Venom for me. He sounds so cool. Tony was just born for this role and everyone knew he was going to do fantastic because of his previous role as Candyman.
All of the actors were perfect and I loved every performance even the smaller ones like Mysterio who has a beautiful line that I don’t think I’ll ever forget.
The theme of second chances is perfect for a Spider-Man story. Spider-Man is the character who wants the villains to change unlike other heroes he’s not looking to punish villains instead he wants to help them become the best people that they can be. From the start we see this. Peter and Miles are sympathetic to Sandman and I love the side mission that follows after the first mission and I genuinely felt for Flint. Mysterio as well is shown to be trying his best to reform and be better but Betsy and Cole use his bad reputation to frame him for crimes that he didn’t commit. Miles is happy to see Quintin is trying his best. He says good on him for going into therapy. As someone who goes to therapy that line is definitely nice because people kind of look down on you and say there’s something wrong with you if you go to therapy or at least that’s what I’ve seen from my experience but in fact there is nothing wrong with it. Tombstone also becomes a mechanic and helps people at Coney Island which was really wholesome as a big Tombstone fan. Sadly Shocker didn’t get that chance to turn his life around because as MJ says he didn’t deserve to die. Kraven is selfish killing these people for sport and not caring in the slightest about if they’re trying to better themselves or not.
Kraven was perfect handled as well. He has so many quotable lines and every moment he was on scream was a joy and truly made my nerd brain happy because I love Kraven and the stories like Kravens Last Hunt he was the villain of. Kraven is so menacing and strong and you can especially see that in the height difference between him and Peter. He was able to kill almost all of Peter and Miles villains and only struggled with Shocker and Vulture. We see him kill Scorpion and Scorpions poison has no effect on him whatsoever.
The swinging is perfected. It has so much more manual control and fall damage adds a sense of risk to the swinging which immerses you into the game more.
The combat is really fun especially when you use the symbiote and when you play as Venom. I love the whole ability system and taking out the gadget wheel made the gameplay more quick and satisfying. It’s nice how you can keep the symbiote abilities after the story and it has a story reason to it with the Anti Venom suit giving Peter the powers of the symbiote without any of the downsides. That does cheapen the black suit story somewhat but I understand why that decision was made and it helps differentiate Peters combat more from Miles.
The side missions are all fantastic my favourites being the help grandpa Howard Mysterio Flame and photo help missions.
Also holy hell Cletus is in the games now. He was so well done being a charismatic cult leader as well as a crazy lunatic made him even more dangerous and terrifying and I can’t wait to see how he is portrayed using the symbiote. Peter and Miles are going to have to prepare for some Maximum Carnage!
The Howard mission was so heartfelt and inspiring. Peter was a true friend to Howard and was the only person who ever appreciated and cared about him and the ending was sad but we can take comfort in knowing that Howard’s last moments were peaceful. The mission encapsulates everything I love about Spider-Man. He is an Everyman and being an Everyman gives him so much empathy and love and he wants to show that love to everyone around him especially the people forgotten in society like Howard. Beautiful.
Also the music is perfect. Fighting Back is honestly one of the greatest songs I’ve ever heard and it truly made the boss fight against Peter even more impactful and depressing. The use of motifs especially in the scene where Miles makes amends with Martin Li was appreciated and heightened the emotion of that scene.
I love Peter and Miles in this game they both are so well developed and performed. Insomniac Miles is one of my favourite Spider-Men and I hope we get to see him meet Spider-Verse Miles in Beyond the Spider-Verse.
Spider-Man 2 does suffer from pacing issues and a rushed third act but to me the positives far outweigh the negatives and this is a game I will replay so much and cherish for the rest of my life.
Your making me sleepy
that means you needa stop yapping
(Jk jk)
I really don’t get why your yapping to much just to say the games still good
My top 12 spide-man villains I want to see as DLC in spider-man 2.
12# boomerang
11# speed demon
10# crime master
09# the enforcers
08# the white rabbit
07# stegron
06# big wheel
05# the beetle
04# hydro man
03# swarm
02# carnage
01# the spot
Chameleon?
@@Mojj2099 oops totally forgot about him.
I honestly agree with your thoughts on the game. Love it to death, but I feel Act 2 could’ve have a few filler missions with Black Suit Peter. Maybe a smaller mission at the start before you go to Kraven’s estate party. It would help set in the power you feel with the black suit. Then when you do the next mission, cracks start to appear when Peter throws the hunter out the window.
Another mission further down the line after the Suit changes after being in contact with the meteorite. Peter tracks down a smaller supervillain, Stilt Man or something before the “Wake Up” mission. Miles may stumble upon a chase where Peter scolds Miles for almost causing him to lose track (even if Miles did nothing wrong). Miles chases down some other thugs instead. This would also make the line “You’re in the way Miles! Always in the way.” during the Peter boss fight more impactful.
Then Peter would take down the villain, almost brutally, as people in the street watch and take video. Peter might look around, and leaves. He calms down but is still frustrated that people seem to be ungrateful that he’s protecting them. The line “Everyone thinks that I’m the problem” in the boss fight would hold more merit, instead of seemingly overreacting to the article MJ published.
I could’ve worded it better, but that’s the general idea. Just a few nitpicks.
I still LOVE this game. It’s my personal Game of the Year.
Exactly dude the acting on the game was perfect i can honestly think everything you said was on some kind of headcannon but in the end they cut from game because symbiote peter arc was rushed as hell. Peter keeps the suit for three days only
its just bad, people can accept mediocrity but rarely can they admit its mediocre out of some fear of liking a bad product
the more u know on Sweet baby inc and its involvement to this game the worse it gets
dude what is sweet baby inc@@marcusclark1339
@@marcusclark1339it was painfully obvious they went down the ESG checklist. It flew over the normie heads, and the leftists are gaslighting us for noticing. Even bought the collectors edition of the game. Was so disappointed :/
Technically the side missions during act 2 would be those "filler" missions you mentioned, but I get what you mean. The game's pacing is a lot better when you play the side missions but that shouldn't be a requirement for the story to flow better.
Thing that really irks me the wrong way in the second game is that they killed off almost all of peters main villians, OFFSCREEN
and its stupid too bc considering how everyone became symbiotes its a giant missed opportunity to fight venomized villains.
Tbh if they wanted miles to be the main spider-man for a while they way I would have done it is
Peter Becomes Venom and Kills Kraven then goes on a spree following the same story of web of shadows kinda, then when miles gets him out of the suit he needs time as peter to process that he just killed somebody/a couple of people, I think that would have made way more sense and respected Peter and Venom more, Peter didnt have the suit long enough for it to really have a giant impact on certain scenes. massive letdown that we 1. didnt get a shocker boss during black suit 2. the combat really felt lackluster, with how tanky enemys are it made you not even feel stronger with black suit at times, felt like they made eveyrone more tanky so the game length was longer tbh.
I think having Miles around was an awesome opportunity to intertwine a larger web-head story, similarly to in Arkham City with Batman and Catwomen. But miles didn't have much of an impact or purpose in the stort until the end when he gets Martin Lee out. Definitely needed more time between Peter and Harry, Peter and Miles and all three of them together.
Venom popping out of nowhere would have been so much Manbat like and I love that. Sad this don't actually exists
9:31 I abolsutely HATE how The Lizard was used in this game. Such TRAGIC character and they use him as just some DUMB MONSTER to PUNCH😐. I find it insane how NOBODY is bringing this up...but with all the glearing issues in this game and how they just GLAZED OVER Conners Trauma...its not suprising
I mean they literally built up his backstory and had a pic of his wife and son. Imagine if after Peter cured Lizard, Conners called Peter later and revealed that the Lizard was kidnapping Women and Children to make then into Lizard Hybrids. And over the course of these new Lizard Bases in the sewer we learn that Lizard is Conncers subconcious and is trying to make his own family. Lizard and like 90% of the cast were COMPLETELY MISUSED
@@M61322 Because its his subconscious. As the game already potrayed itself. Conners is clearly not over his wife leaving with their son, so this would be at the back of his mind constantly. Considering The Lizard is NOT supposed to he a dumb monster and is a highly intelligent Alter Ego. Narratively you can easily say that Conners subconsciousn need to fix his family mixed with the Lizard's Insanity of making everyone lizards. It isn't a far stretch of the imagination to come to the conclusion I did
Plus its been done in the comics already just he made his actual Son and Wive's into lizard people
Dude, we beat Lizard, we don’t have time to be worrying about Connor’s, it’s neat he has a backstory but using that to its full display when have Hunter Bases, Symbiote’s, Carnage, Wraith, Mysterio, Chameleon, multiple maps, stealth sections, Miles and Venom, we have more than enough than to be worrying about Connor’s when his story could just be expanded in the next game when there’s more space
That's the stupidest idea I've heard all day 😂
This would have worked so well to be honest, I love the idea of the lizard bases in in the sewers.
Or we could have had infected civilians / lizard hybrid people.
The back story to Connors could have been information we get after each base. Instead of that stupid sandman nonsense with literally no purpose.
@@striker07927You’re just listing multiple things that didn’t even affect the story.
Wraith and Carnage was one plot point, chameleon has nothing to do with the story as of now until the dlc. Or even the next game we don’t know yet. Stealth sections are practically pointless / non existent seeing as stealth was butchered.
There was plenty of time and space to develop connors and this could have given us another enemy type / faction. What multiple maps? After the story is done and wraith missions are done which is 4 crappy missions the map is practically empty leaving us with nothing to do, can’t even replay enemy bases like the last games.
We have symbiote, flame, hunters. That’s it.
No reason why we couldn’t have had lizard hybrid or infected people with extra missions.
The story was short as it is and the side missions were lacking yet you’re complaining about more content? Lizard would serve no purpose in the 3rd game they’ve done his story here’s the issue is it should have been expanded on.
I’m still mad that E3 scene of him going through the coffee shop in the first game wasn’t in the final release😂
Harry’s definitely gonna wake up in time to see his dad going psycho on spiderman
I still love this game but yeah the 1st one is the goat 🐐
One part of the story that took me out a little was the police response to the hunters. As an example they didn’t make an appearance the entire time the raft ship was being attacked. They are only timely once in the whole story and that was during the lizard running around part.
That might have been studio interference, I remember someone complaining about the first game and The Miles Morales game making the police look good, which is stupid because Miles’ dad and Yuri were cops.
But, this is the same studio that added a BLM suit for Miles without anyone knowing he’s black
This game committed the cardinal sin of telling instead of showing. We were told that Peter and Harry were the best of friends yet we never experienced it. We were told the big villains were all killed but they were all brushed aside with random interactive objects that could be missed. The gameplay was every bit as good as the first but the story and acting were so bad, it really drags the whole game down. It’s very unfortunate.
Didn't they give you a whole mission set in their past with them just messing around?
A single mission that lasted all of 5 minutes is not enough to establish a close friendship. @@kwayneboy1524
I feel like mid game we should’ve had story extensions, like maybe a few side missions about minor villains to show how much the symbiote is changing him before he fights lizard and goes fully insane, the closest we get to that is him going overboard on a single kraven goon, and I feel like miles should’ve interacted with symbiote suit Peter more before the fight because as of now the fight feels like the payoff to a buildup that didn’t happen
You know what's really bizarre? The first game took 4 years to make, which was understandable, they had to work from the ground up as they took from previous Spider-Man games and still a lot was reused. Miles' game only took 2 years because it was more like an extended DLC. This game had 5 YEARS and it barely managed to replicate the first one, which doesn't make any sense because they already had most of the game done. What did they use all this time on? You can't tell me the flight and symbiote gameplay would take that long for a studio as experienced as Insomniac to work with. Either someone in charge got really lazy or did a poor job because this game should've been at least a quarter longer than what we got. I'd say this game needed at least 6 years to make to be on that full high level game people were expecting. I wanted a GOTY type experience, a game that truly earned that award, but it barely even scraped on that potential. I hope 'Spider-Man 3' doesn't come out until 2030, because I know they'll need every single bit of that time to make the best game of the franchise. If they release earlier, you'll know they're rushing it.
Things can be lazy but still good? That takes a load off my mind.
hit the nail on the head for me. similar to Ragnarok, they tried to jam so much with peter and the black suit, miles, harry, mj, kraven, lizard, harry coming back, venom, etc. trying to do everything turned out terrible for the story
William: Peter Parker, brilliant but lazy.
Yuri: Shut the fu-
I love the new spider-man 2 game, but a lot of people pointed out how much Peter was getting beaten up. He nearly died more than once, in the beginning with sand man he nearly died in Marko’s hands. And a couple of times with venom. And I wish we did more playing than watching, like a good thing they could’ve added was allowing us to choose what Peter and Miles say to the characters.
This game is full of plot holes, for an example, how come are we able to see symbiotes roaming manhattan after we finish the main story, weren't all the symbiotes turned to ash with the particle accelerator? And if all symbiotes were turned to ash with that endgame event, what about Carnage's future storyline, or are they just going to pretend like nothing happened?
Who said it was gonna take out all of the Symbiotes?
I think it’s probably that that carnage is completely independent from venom as an offspring where it isn’t in venom’s hive mind
@@striker07927 The fact that we literally see the particle accelerator sending a shockwave around Manhattan that turns all the symbiotes into ash...? And, if the particle accelerator doesn't destroy all symbiotes, I think it would be important for the story to show why some symbiotes weren't destroyed and survived.
@@mylerwilson4879 So, if ONLY the symbiotes that WEREN'T connected to the hive mind survived the particle accelerator event, why can we find symbiotes roaming around New York WITH the hive mind spiral symbol on their heads?
@@seujrogeprobably because those are side quests. Those arent plot holes its just the game being a game
I'm fine with Harry Osborn being Venom as a antagonist and final boss for this game, but if they make a Venom DLC or solo game staring him either Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson better be his host, naturally most Venom fans are going to want a Venom solo game to star someone who actually was Venom in the comics.
They didn’t go the venom not triggering spider sense route because they didn’t go with that version. Instead of a bulky evil Spider-Man with a personal rivalry that shoots webs they went with the evil hulk goo monster version with meat puppet harry.
If you removed the whole venom thing the game would be perfect, but they really didn’t do venom or black suit spider-man justice
yes venom looked amazing and his voice was perfect and bully lowenthal was great but there wasn’t barely enough time for them
they took their time with Kraken and made that plot point the best it could possibly be but kinda forgot about the rest
First game managed to perfectly put in mister negative dok ok and the sinsister six without pacing issues. Second game fails to do Venom in a pace wich isnt neckbreaking. 3rd game will take the Green Goblin and stretch it to infinity cause they got nothing left to show except some D list villians.
Carnage,Otto?
Carnage, Otto, Jackal, Morbius, Chameleon, Green Goblin, dude, they have plenty of villains to use in Spider-Man’s mythos
@@striker07927 This mofo naming Morbius and Chameleon.The bottom of the barrel has been breached we are going further down.
@agreatmanlookingtotheright bro what are u yapping about? Chameleon is a fan favorite and morbious outside of the movie is an iconic spidey villain
They should have shown more brutality. Not Mortal Kombat levels, but atleast some. I don't understand why there isn't any blood in these games. Spidey punches these guys so hard they get flung up 10 feet in the air. An average human's neck would be snapped then and there. To add on to it, both of them follow it up with punches, kicks to their head, sometimes delivering electric shocks.
The black suit didn't feel like a powerup. The normal attacks should have hit harder, swinging should be faster, the finishers more brutal. Maybe they should have Jonah say that Spidey has killed someone. When you land on the street as Black suit, people should be scared of you. There could have been an element of fear, wherein if you achieve a certain combo, enemies will cower in fear, and Peter still ko's them, like in Ghost of Tsushima. He should have even tried to kill some side villain, like the vulture instead of Kraven killing them. Just like Batman from Arkham uses the fear toxin at the end of Knight, Spiderman should have used the symbiote to become a more fearsome version of himself. No more friendly neighborhood hero, jokes, quips. The symbol should strike unadulterated terror amongst someone who even thinks of committing a crime.
I was also really hoping for a random venom fight as well!!!! All the points you made about him not triggering spider sense was exactly my train of thought and I had hope bc of taskmaster😭… i was thinking maybe a set at night in the rain it could’ve been so cool mannn so much wasted potential
0:15 Batman: Arkham Asylum was released in 2009*
Just came up with a few way to improve open world.
Hear me out, Hunter Trials.
Where you play exclusively as Peter. Basically his challenges to Miles’ Mysterium quests.
It would replace the unidentified targets. ( I didn’t hate them, it was fun, but got repetitive after doing 7 of them.) They would appear after the encounter with Kraven at the church. Maybe after the Emily-May gets destroyed.
I mean think about it. This could also tie in to Kraven vs the Sinister Six members. I was thinking 5 of them. The first is the introduction which goes a bit further in depth in how Kraven prepared for Scorpion, the next three show the setup for each of the others and full on cutscenes depicting how Kraven took down Electro, Vulture, and Shocker. The final trial leads to coordinates, after which the Chameleon side mission plays out the same.
Also going off on a tangent, hunter blinds should not be on the map. I mean come on, they’re invisible for crying out loud. According to the game Pete says he programmed the lenses to be on the same frequency as the blinds or something. It’s a missed opportunity. Imagine you’re doing your thing, swinging around when you suddenly surrounded by hunters on a roof completely caught off guard. There should be some kind of tell that they’re around, but nothing obvious at first glance.
I feel like the older games did saving civilians by taking them to the hospital better than this game. It feels like it’s pretty random whether or not they will show up. You take down a group of thugs and then a injured guy shows up out of nowhere. It’s always the same guy yelling “Please don’t leave me!” It got on my nerves pretty quick. I know there’s another lady who you can take to an ambulance, but the majority is that guy. It’s the same model every time. The mother f$@%*r is wearing headphones for crying out loud. He’s gonna be dead if he wears AirPods I swear. Some variety would have been nice. Also there is no music whatsoever while you carry them. It’s kind of weird. The older games actually have a time limit incentivizing the player to be quick and adding some kind of weight. You can also accidentally drown them in Web of Shadows by jumping in a lake or any form of water. Which is kind of funny. You can save them from exploding cars which sends them flying in the sky for some reason.
Speaking of civilian interactions, I wish more crimes had activities where you just help out some people. Something I think the first game did well was the car wreck crimes. Sometimes there isn’t any criminals, you’re just helping people who got into an accident. I wish there some activities where you’re just helping out. Maybe a worker is stuck on the side of a building and you need to help him down (Like in the Miles game, but shorter). Maybe helping someone about to fall off a building, or helping people off a stranded boat (like in the Raimi Spider-Man 2 game). which was mentioned during the Peter and Miles Lizard chase.
I also liked the kidnapping crimes from the first game. Yes it was bit ridiculous that Peter’s mask could hone in muffled voices in the back of a car some how. But it felt pretty chill. Get the person out of the car and fight the kidnappers. Simple.
Also where are the cops? They’re never around, except to the start of like one symbiote nest. That’s basically it. In the first game they cheered you on mostly. There were standoffs with prisoners and the inner demons. The bomb squad also shows up for the demons and the Maggia. That bomb squad dude is pretty cool. I miss him. Then in the Miles game, they seem more aggressive. My headcanon is because Yuri left the force. In this game hardly anyone is around. This was a missed opportunity to have firefighters roll up to check the building after an arson attempt. Stand offs with the flame cultists and cops or trying to hold off symbiotes. Some may run away or fight, you know, give more life and character to npcs.
I wanted more people to react to Symbiote Peter. Maybe they do, I was never on the ground much during his time with it. But it’s a bit weird how you’re still able to greet them. Finger guns and everything. After the suit changes, people should be more afraid. Creeped out. Have random people yell out “Menace!” or something. In Web of Shadows people were scared of the Black Suit and scared regardless of the suit if you’re on the Black Path. I want a few interactions, where people seem friendly at first but then are intimidated and scared off. Maybe a few people are still nervous even after Peter ditches the Black Suit.
Let D-Listers show up like you said. Even chases can follow.
Just a few thoughts. Let me know what you guys think. Still love this game, but the open world could’ve had more. What are your guy’s ideas?
I honestly don't know why they don't have some sort of challenge mode like Arkham.
That being said, the car chases have been the same for decades, catch up to car...QTE.
What about casting a web net between two buildings before the car can turn down the next street, web the wheels, or stand in front and smash the hood ...why? Whay can't we do these things by now
Because they didn’t think of doing that, because they aren’t you, because they’re worrying about other things in the story to expand on
@@striker07927 what does not being me have to do with not being innovative? TF NPC response is that?
That's like saying, we shouldn't strive to do better because we aren't Jesus.
If I'm the only one that can think of something that simple, then Sony/insomniac have bigger issues than just not aspiring to try new things.
Also you realize that they have a writing team right? It's not one dude just doing everything, so while one team is writing the story.... other teams are doing things to create the rest of the game.
By your logic they are just sitting around coming up with a story and then going, "alright, now how do we make this game"... They are multitasking and have different departments for different portions of the game, you realize a whole creative team exists right?
@@striker07927and yet they expanded on nothing and the story was terrible
@@jackkawf4449agreed
@@striker07927I’ve just seen you make another dumb npc response on another comment.
Its super sad that they actually didn't use the idea of having Venom randomly attack, it'd be cool of you'd have to survive until Miles shows up to help you fight and vice versa
I feel like this game was. Really rushed it has as much content if not less than the original. And I’d rather receive 19 inches of venom then ever play an MJ stealth mission ever again.
Thank you youre the first one i agree about the radom boss encounter for Venom instead of horde mode Symbiotes. That would be more accurate to the comix and also more fun for the player.
I agree! They rushed with the story and I didnt feel the same connection like in the first game.
Hope they take this feedback into the third game.
Well we still got dlc for Spider-Man 2 and also other updates so we are not completely done
I do wonder were they rushing this game a little bit for wolverine though?
They gave Miles big moments because he's black and nothing had to do with his character
Some spider,s are able to use there webs to glide and those type of spider's are the Golden spider
I know someone personally who works at Insomniac, and while he isn’t apart of the story boarding or writing team, I must admit I felt a bit offended at the title. I KNOW he gave his all to this project.
But I’m glad it wasn’t just a “this is just dogshit” argument. More of a “personal differences between story beats”.
I thought Harry as venom was the coolest shake up in spiderman history.
My biggest problem? Take the symbiote and new traversal out of the equation. And it doesn't equal SM2 predecessors.
I'm sorry. 2018 to 2020 to 2023, and it feels worse than the OG in "some to some more" areas in the game.
I agree.
The irony of this video is that essentially your only issue with Spider-Man 2 is the pacing in parts of the story, yet you take over 20 minutes to essentially say 'the story moved too quickly for me in sections but overall i really enjoyed it'
The point is, pacing in a story is relative to each individual engaged with the story, its personal preference. For example, i feel like this video could have been a CZcams Short and they'll be other people who think 20+ minutes for this video was necessary.
I'm going to be honest, when playing Spider-Man 2 I didn't think there was anything wrong with the pacing of the story and i enjoyed what Insomniac gave me. The ONLY times I thought to myself 'oh that was over quickly' was when SCREAM was introduced and that situation was quite quickly resolved and Kraven killing off old villians off-screen like Vulture, Shocker, etc. There are probably reasons why Insomniac chose to take this approach but obviously it's hard to understand without knowing them.
Don’t worry the game being brilliant but lazy was intentional. It was all a giant Spider-Man reference.
I feel the reason Miles took on Venom last was to show that Miles was ready to take over for Peter, but it just didn't feel right. I agree with you that his big moment should've been him taking down symbiote Peter. That would've been more than enough.
I think one of the biggest things is that movies/games/whatever need to stop cramming both Symbiote Suit and Venom in the same story. Symbiote Suit is its own story that needs is own resolution before moving on to Venom.
I remember some interview where they said SM2 was like their Empire Strikes Back. How great would it have been if the symbiote suit thing really played out with Peter alienating everyone to the point where Harry almost dies, THEN Harry manages to get the suit back, AND THEN Peyer sees Harry turn into the monster that is Venom, and tease that conflict for the next game. That would have been the great "oh shit how is this gonna play out" ending like Empire had.
Plus the whole Pete deciding to retire thing seems like something that would have been better placed at the end of the trilogy. Feels weird to end the middle chapter with a send off that we know isn't gonna last
The irony of the new web swing assit is that most people I've seen love how much the game helps you with the web swinging instead of the player having to get gud.
I left that Venom attacking you whilst you swing through New York comment on another video like last week haha. With a couple Man-Bat Arkham Knight Jump scares it would have been perfect!
The combat too started to get annoying. They reduced the number of gadgets. I feel like there should have been a combo system such as in Spiderman Friend or Foe or Hi-Fi Rush
Hot Take, the first Amazing Spider-Man game from Activision was actually pretty good. Even had an original story taking place after the movie. The sequel tho…… was just the movie but also Carnage and Kraven was shoved in.
I LOVE the movement but the story just is not very good everything is rushed and the gameplay needed a bit more it’s still too generic for me imo doesn’t have to be dmc5 but still
While I do agree that Peter's turn for the worse while wearing the black suit might go by a bit too quick considering he only has it for a few days, I think this adaptation of his corruption REALLY deserves more credit than it gets despite how fast it goes. The clever inversion of Peter starting off wanting nothing more than to take the suit off and only getting truly attached to it once it's revealed it's an alien, which usually has the opposite effect in most other adaptations, but here it serves as the perfect excuse for him to justify keeping it to himself. After all, it *chose* him. Now he doesn't have to be the weaker Spider-Man anymore, now he can finally be better, stronger, save *everyone* and not just almost everyone. It perfectly ties with Peter's inner conflict of not feeling good enough and not being able to find balance and turns it into his biggest character flaw by just taking what we all know and shifting the angle slightly.
Perfect title. Sums up my feelings after playing the game myself
As a Venom fan, I really wanted Harry as Venom to have a moral debate with Peter but stay his ally and fight with him as often as against him
It urks me to no end that they underutilized Venom so badly in this game. There were a million different ways Venom could have had a bigger impact on the story/game. But instead we get a Venom, and by proxy, a symbiote that doesn't feel like the main focus in a game where *it was advertised as the main focus!!!*
Nice video, btw👌.
I think one of the main problems with the pacing is they spent to much time building up kraven and the venom suit. (Even then the build up wasn’t the best with the villains being killed off screen) like the first game was able to believably build up Martin Lee with like 3 missions. Kraven had like 10 before Peter got the suit. Once that suit was on Peter the story kicked into overdrive and basically sped run the black suit arc. The developers clearly ran out of time with like 80% of the story completed and rushed the venom arc to the point where it was only like 5 to 7 missions. This game was really good don’t get me wrong but they could have crafted a much better experience if they gave the game another 2 months in the oven. Also I don’t think mile’s story was developed at all and they put like 3 developers on the job and said make stuff up. There was a hint of a story but then I feel like we didn’t see enough of it. Either make the story longer, or split the story in half.
That and the director admitted that they cut content out to make room for the MJ missions. Something that he knew fans didn't want
@@stevenceja4706 wow that’s insane.
I was surprised when Venom bit off Kraven's head and blood went everywhere, and this game is rated T, I've seen other games get an M rating for less
I think they just needed more time to write the story, even though they did try to take their time.. I still think they needed more time.
I was disappointed that they didn’t even explain how they got their new upgraded suits, it would’ve been much better if they got the new suits when they introduced the switch suits mechanic.
I also feel like they didn’t give the symbiote time to evolve in the story like it was mentioned in this video, it would’ve been cool to have it inspired off of the Spectacular series or the 90s animated series.
There were a lot of disappointing moments in the game, like the fact we didn’t get other character’s reactions to Spider-Man in the black suit but I’m happy we got reactions from Kraven, MJ, Miles and Harry.
They had such a good opportunity to make Peter clash with Martin Li when he had the symbiote suit, especially after what Martin Li did as Mr Negative in the first game.
@@M61322 But it feels weird and lazy just having a time skip to where they had their upgraded suits. I wish they had their older suits in the first mission and they got damaged so they had to get new ones. I know Miles suit got torn to shreds in his first game but we saw in the last scene where he swung with Peter, he had his suit looking repaired and clean. So I think Miles managed to repair it or he simply had a spare one.
I feel like the biggest thing that could have helped the game go from a 7-8 to at least a 9 would be making it a bit longer, fleshing things out more (specifically Venom), and giving Miles a better arc.
But despite these things I really enjoy the game
7 is average Spider-Man 2 isn’t an average video game
@@xylesama3245lol 5 is average. 6- above average. 7- Good. 8- Great- 9- Outstanding. 10- Near perfection/masterpiece.
*I say near perfection cuz no game is perfect. All games have flaws
@@500shades6 I'm afraid all of gaming journalism, from professionals to youtubers operate on a scale of 7 being average, 8-9 being great and 10 being reserved for paid reviews. 0 - 6 communicate the exact same thing.
@@slyseal2091I have never heard anyone consider 7 average maybe above average but still higher
I can't get over how young the new Peter model is too
He ages less because of his powers it makes sense
@@I-S-C they changed his model, the one from the first game looks way better. Hes supposed to be an adult but he looks like a highschooler
@@johnandrew1987 the first one looks older than 23 less aging is part of his powers
@@I-S-C this is just cope dude. Are you saying he's going to look like a todler in the next game?
For me the two big issues were that the first half of the game just doesnt have as good pacing as the back half. I also don't love the hunters as a pressence, they just feel so wacky that it does take me out of more intense or suspensful moments. After the lizard fight the story really hit its stride imo
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I feel very validated with this video. I kept telling people I liked it but the second half was rushed and everyone was just telling me how it was ‘perfect’.
Wasn’t bad
Thought it was good actually
But I felt it was missing something
But I’m not sure what
Would absolutely love to see what happens when they eventually do Spider-Man 3
17:40 How else were they gonna drive home the point that Miles is ginna be replacing Peter for the foreseeable future of the Spiderman games? Peter had suffer so they could build their boy up🤷♂️
Debatable
Hopefully they add more side quest when they give us dlc
Spider-Man 2 has been a game I’ve been dying to have and I have to say after playing it I can’t help but feel that the story was just too rushed, now I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy it but I feel that this game focused to much on the spectacle and less on a amazing story like in the first game. The symbiote storyline is one of my absolute favorites of Spider-Man and to see it condensed into maybe 3 or 4 hours of the overall story was really upsetting to me. And then after everything he’s just blatantly forgiven by MJ and Miles (not Harry for obvious reasons) I mean Peter had it for like 2 days! Damn it just really rubbed me the wrong way.
Miles is understandable because he understands that something is going on from minute one of seeing him act up, that coming to a head in Wake Up.
MJ? i'm more iffy on.
she knows the suits an alien and had sussed out that it was able to control him during wake up. but i don't think she would have immediately been cool with calling him and stuff during the early portions of the third act like she did after the tunnel and harry thing.
She definitely feels like she would have been a middle ground between Harry and Miles, mad, maybe even scared about the whole suit thing, but not to the point that Harry was.
Especially if it’s a metaphor for addiction it’s a bit idealised for everyone to forgive him so quick.
I don’t think the story could’ve been longer, especially with a big risk of filler happening throughout the game itself not to mention the fact that a videogame doesn’t necessarily need to have a long story with about 100 hours needed to complete it
But that’s just my take
True but it could've used more levels
@@kwayneboy1524 hmmmm
I could agree with that to some extent
Oh my god thank you for summing up how I felt about this game. I was so bummed to 100% it after only 12 hours.
Web wings make more sense when I found out that some spiders use their webs to make little parachutes!
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 could've easily the best Spidey game ever. But there's far too many flaws. Traversal is a step up from the 1st game. As well as most of the combat IMO. But there's issues with the Symbiote Peter combat. First off, the black suit gameplay wasn't developed enough. Don't use your symbiote abilities or the symbiote surge. What are you left with? The same combat & finishers as the 1st game. His combat outside the symbiote tendrils & symbiote blast hasn't gotten more aggressive. Web of Shadows understood how to make the gameplay distinct depending on which suit you chose to fight in. In Marvel's Spider-Man 2, you can't lash out a tendril to grab an enemy, bring em towards you, choke that enemy & send him or her flying. You can't skateboard on enemies. You can't grab an enemie's head & bash it against your knee. You can't grab an enemy's head & bash it against the side of a vehicle violently & fast. His punches aren't more violent & reckless. Another complaint I have with the black suit in this game is why the heck can't the player choose between symbiote colors? As of right now, you're stuck with white symbiote abilities if you wear a black symbiote suit. Something minor but that I would like to point out is that a change in symbiote Peter's stance animation would've been neat, & would've helped to make regular Peter different from Symbiote Peter. Something that shouldve been added to gameplay is a long distance swing punch, like in the opening of Web of Shadows. I'll explain. Let's say there's a crime that spawned while you're swinging. You see a group of baddies in front of you, but at a lengthy distance. So when you're swinging, & get close enough, that swing can immediately transition into a seemless long distance swing punch. And to time it right, you gotta hold the swing button, & as soon as you're close to an enemy you want to take care of first, you click square. And to make it unique for Symbiote Peter, have it function the same. But instead of a seemless swing punch, it's a seemless & aggressive swing kick that instantly takes down a group of enemies & sends them flying. Another complaint, why do Peter & Miles share the exact same aggressive charge jump animation? That aggressive charge jump animation should be exclusive for black suit Peter. Red suit Peter should have the same charge up animation he did in the first game. And Miles should have the same charge jump animation he had in his own game. That way they feel more unique from each other. Something that's missing & would enhance gameplay even more is being able to immediately start swinging when you're running on the ground. Like in the bridge scene in Spider-Man Far From Home. This could function on the ground, on the side of a wall or building like in the parade scene of Spider-Man (2002) & on rooftops, as long as you're within range of another building. And to make this feature slightly unique for Symbiote Peter, he uses his fists to shoot the webs & doesn't make the thwipp hand gestures. Onto story complaints. No reasonable person would cut out 90% of Venom's dialogue & put in multiple MJ missions. Venom really needed more screen time. Another thing, there's lots of walk & talk segments in this game. Something that should've avoided. Another complaint, Kraven barely gets any screen time. You see more of his goons doing his dirty work for him than him actually hunting. Also, there wasn't nearly enough of Bully Lowenthal in the story. Another problem with this game, some of the dialogue. More specifically in the Scream boss fight. That was not well written boss fight dialogue. And there's no need to introduce yet another spider person. Let's not forget that Peter decides to take a break from being Spider-Man to become a climate activist. Which is stupid considering how they set up Goblin, Doc Ock's return, Carnage & chameleon for Marvel's Spider-Man 3. Obviously Peter wouldn't be foolish enough to ignore all those threats. If anything, it would've made more sense if he decided to retire in the ending of Marvel's Spider-Man 3. The way Insomniac decided to treat the symbiote infestation taking over NYC is baffling. Wasn't taken nearly as seriously as it should've. Why is Miles out here asking Hailey out on a date during the worst possible time, is he stupid? Also, why would a spray can affect a Symbiote? There's no military, no other superheroes, no evacuations, you don't go inside buildings helping people escape from the symbiotes. There's no REAL sense of dread. There's no sense that this could very well be the end of New York. You know that the Spideys will save the day, it's too predictable. Also, it wouldve been nice to see more of Harry. Maybe have the player play as him to fight Kraven when Harry got furious because Kraven stabbed Peter. Now onto more side missions & crimes specific complaints. First off, why put a playable Haily mission? It's a waste of time that could've easily been used for something that's actually good. We didn't need the homecoming mission or the blind lady getting a robot dog or whatever. Super unnecessary. The E.M.F. missions are alright I guess, considering how Peter is into science & wants to help people. I absolutely disliked how they dumbed down the car chases in this game. They got insanely repetitive in the first game, but at least YOU were the one taking out the criminals out of the car & slowing it down. Now, it just takes a single button press then it's over. No thought put into it. Here's an easy fix. Have Peter shoot web balls at the criminals while swinging with one hand. Like in Spider-Man 2 the movie. Then he can either stop the like he always does in the first game, or web up the wheels to slow it down. To make it different for Miles, have him use his stealth to his advantage. Have Miles shoot 2 webs to pull himself towards the car, land on it, use his electric powers to zap the engine & basically force the car to stop. Now onto the traversal & other quality of life changes this game desperately needed. I'm glad Insomniac Games has added satisfying gameplay features for Marvel's Spider-Man 2. But we needed way more. Running/sliding along the ground while holding onto a web line, shoot web balls on one hand while swinging from the other, shooting webs while falling without loosing momentum, run on the side of building without letting go of your webline, climbing your own web, hanging criminals on light posts, faster running, grinding, running down buildings, sliding down buildings, overhauled wall crawling system, 2 arm web swinging like in Spider-Man 2 (2004), temporarily skim the water while holding your web line like in infinity war, latch onto a boat with a web, seamlessly transition from surfing on a boat to parkouring onto another boat, a giant web that can catch speeding cars, swinging off of helicopters, free roam in liberty island, & a new gun disarm animation that doesn't have Spidey spin around like crazy. Something that would be a neat addition is if you swing really fast when you're too close to pedestrians, Peter will say something like “coming through" or even “Hello pedestrians!". Or he can even high five pedestrians with one hand while he's swinging from the other. Also, it would be nice to seemlessly be able to dodge lamp posts, trucks & tight spaces between buildings while swinging, like in Across The Spider-Verse when Miles is swinging with Gwen. Also, it's disappointing to that webs sometimes STILL go through buildings. And the game STILL forces you to let go of the swing button. You don't decide when the best time to let go is, the game decides for you. Just realized I haven't even begun to go over the issues with suits in this game. First off, why can't all the MCU Spider-Man suits take up just 1 suit slot instead of multiple? Same thing for the live action suits to be honest. They should be in their respective category. Put the Tobey suits in 1 slot, the Andrew suits in slot & so on & so forth. Another complaint with live action suits, there's not enough of them for Peter. There's no I.T.S.V. suit for Peter that isn't the noir suit, there's no human spider, there's no vigilante suit from TASM 1, there's no The Spectacular Spider-Man suit (he appeared briefly in A.T.S.V., so it can kind of count as a live action suit.) Not to mention, we're seriously missing more comics & animated series suits. For example, Spider-Man TAS (black suit included), The Spectacular Spider-Man (all black suits included), Spider-Man TNAS 2003, Ultimate Spider-Man show, Todd McFarlane (black suit included), Alex Ross, John Romita (black suit included), Amazing fantasy suit, & a few other suits from the first game should've definitely been in this game. Also, why take away the suit powers from the first game? Some of them were really cool. Now, the only reason you would want to unlock suits in Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is for the looks. There's no other reason behind it, which isn't that big of a deal but still. Something that should've been added for suits in this game is the ability to change web sound effects as well as how they look, depending on the suit chosen. For example, if you the spectacular Spider-Man suits, you get the sound effects & look from that show. Same thing goes for live action suits & animated suits. This would keep gameplay way more fresh. Now, onto gadgets. I still can't understand why Insomniac took away the gadgets from the first game. Most of them were so satisfying to use. They should've brought them back & keep the new ones. That way the players choose what gadgets they want to use at a time. A gadget I would've loved to see is a giant web net that can catch criminals or speeding cars. Like in the TASM 1 game. Overall, this game's a 6/10. It's no flawless masterpiece.
Great video bro, you earned a new sub!
I'm surprised you didn't mention the combat given how integral it is. I liked it in the previous two games but they kept the Miles trend of only having 4 web gadgets, removed suit and visor mods which make for a more shallow game, and aside from special attacks, Miles and Peter play identically. And because it's the third game in a row with the same combat system but simplified, it got old oh so fast. The biggest change here was the hunters that inhibit aerial combat for a while, which is just boring and limiting, since ground combat is more basic. Honestly it's a mess of a game with good feeling traversal
Exactly! It was lazy af 😢
Spiderlings are known to traverse the area via wind
It does really seem like they expected people to do a lot of the open world stuff while you’re in the black suit
*Spiderman 2's very dark storyline pulled it's punches for being told in a PG way. The directorial decisions for a rather mature storyline was definitely made to also be consumable for the kid demographic; linear/ on the nose dialogue, and a hyperfocus on spectacle.*
*For such a dark storyline, it would've lend itself to be directed in a much more mature approach: a lot more depth in the buildup to give climactic moments the desired impact, and a much stronger focus on character complexity and nuance.*
my bad if you mention it, but I didn’t like the symbiote enemies, they where cool but when they became the only enemies, it sorta sucked because you could only use like half your kit on them
The issue isnt just pacing imo. Peter was vastly underwritten, and other characters like Miles and Harry suffered due to that. Doktor Skipper made an excellent video about that
I loved the game but i spiderman went from wanting to give harry the suit back to trying to kill mj in 2days. Venom part felt mad rushed,we barely saw him
When you said Spiderman Vs black suit Spiderman, I couldn't help but think to myself which spiderman is he referring to?