Why is ULTRA ORTHODOXY a problem for Israel? - VisualPolitik EN
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Within Judaism there are different branches that differ from each other according to the degree of intensity with which their followers live their religion. Thus, the majority of Jews in Israel are hiloni or secular.
However, at the other end of the spectrum are the ultra-Orthodox Jews. They are the so-called haredim, which in Hebrew means “those who tremble before God”. We are talking about a minority that places the Jewish law, the Torah, at the center of their lives and that form a community that has increasing political and social presence in Israel. This poses a serious problem for the future of this country. Why? In this video we tell you why.
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Well, I'll be damned, a foreign video describing in nuance and detail the internal problems in Israel. No bias, no arrogance, just facts. This is why I follow your channel. Actually you did a better job than the average Israeli news outlet in explaining the situation. Great job!
How is it objective? Opinion about religion is overwhelming and quite "subjective"
any person with common sense will realize that religious extremism is a bad thing, so i give them a pass this time ：）
They are outsiders and it is easier to report unbiasly (or at least less bias) than an israeli media company subject to their own biases and external pressures.
@@lukasjansen1815 religious relativism
@@ycplum7062 Isn't the problem still they are biased by giving themselves a privalidge to having better knowledge of a group while they are not part of it themselves?
The bias of soceity is fueled by majority opinions - which is a simplification and generalization of the real thing, fueled by the age they live in. In otherwords, the bias is that of , de facto, anachronistic interpretation of another group (also in the present with regards of values that are protected in history).
One could ask... how is this ''progressive bias' different from idealistic populism? And what makes this new set of values more objectively true than that of the old?
I’m Israeli and this video is REALLY accurate
Don't you feel shame for what you people are doing in West Bank
is it tho? sounds like one sided propaganda to me. Firstly. Haredi infection rates are among the lowest in the country rn. also the vast majority of haredi population kept with regulations. the examples shown here are extreme minorities and the generalizations made in this video are beyond absurd. If this video was fair. it would present the haredi's view of the arguments as well.
@@RedPhoenix550 no this video was pretty fair and I say that as an Israeli.
@@RedPhoenix550 the heredi who keep the regulations are the minority
@@RedPhoenix550 though I will admit it was way worse a couple months ago
I just cannot believe the comment section is pretty respectful up until now
Educational CZcams comments sections are amazingly decent. The idiots stick to entertainment
Would've been a different story if it was a video on Muslims😈
@@adnanshoukat1793 but when a controversial topic gets mentioned, it all usually goes to hell.
There's a lot I could say about Israel....
@@themagnus2919 If you could say any of it in a respectful way, go ahead
Very brave to leave the comment section open.
Tell you what, Iran has brought Arabs and Israelis closer than ever lol, you can easily notice that in the Arabic news channels which are not affiliated with Iran and it's proxies.
not when the other side literally doesnt have connection to the internet
Saudi Arabia just recently in 2020 started letting Israelis into the country. They are also removing alot of anti semeitc stuff from their school books. Fun fact of the day. www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/no-deal-with-israel-but-saudi-arabia-pushes-outreach-to-jews/amp/?espv=1
@@chnsm Which side doesn't have access to internet?
Clearly the seeds of the solution, like the problem, lie entirely within Israel's borders. It seems this is unlikely to have any geopolitical consequences, therefore, nobody's Business but their own.
Israel not wanting to give military training to its Arab citizens is not why Arab Israelis are excused from military service. If Israeli Muslims or Christians want to join the IDF they can (and there are small groups of Aramaen Christians and Bedouin who do, as well as the Arab Druze minority who are required to join up just like Israeli Jews).
Whether it's true or not, it's definitely in Israel's best interests not to arm those Arabs.
Who the hell want to join a terrorist occupation army to kill his kinsman
@@zakariaalami1491 exactly ... hhhh
They don't want to be infiltrated by "Amalek".
@@zakariaalami1491 They join the military to protect a state that provides them with water, electricity, roads, security, free market, education and health systems, non corrupt police and courts, ability to elect their local administration, ability to vote for the parliament, good economy that allows them to travel. They see what happens in the surrounding countries and do not want to live in poor and corrupt countries.
A quick correction: you mentioned that both arabs and ultra orthodox are not required to perform military service in Israel, which is true, but they are free to volunteer. There are many Arab soldiers as well which are volunteering to the IDF.
arab soldiers volunteers for Israel?
@@swagsik390 yes actually you will be surprised how many loyal arab Israelis there are.
Indeed
“Many”, at least non-Druze, might be a bit of a stretch
@@yko_7313 many?
Israel is a very unique country. When I visited Israel 2 years ago, I stayed a week in Tel Aviv and a week in Jerusalem but I did day trips in different parts of the country. When I arrived in Tel Aviv I was very surprised how modern it is (except for the Jaffa district). The nightlife was insane I feel I was in NYC. Women were wearing shorts and tank tops and people very engaging. On the contrary Jerusalem which is only an hour away was like a different world. Very religious and conservative but I actually like Jerusalem, I don't think there's any other place in the world like Jerusalem. The markets are amazing. I was raised a catholic Christian although I am not religious, I could definitely feel the energy of the old city and when I entered church of holy sepulcher I had goosebumps and chill on my spine. I would love to come back in the future.
as an Israeli who visits both a lot, i also feel like this.
Tel Aviv is great but not really different than other cities. Jerusalem is unique.
Tel Aviv has all the horrors of modernity: it's largely a soul-crushing place.
@H London ironic with a name like that. a person with the name of the city where most problems today in mideast and half the world can be traced to is now also virtue-signaling in blissful ignorance.
@H London If my geogrpahy is right... I think you can go from Tel Eviv to Jerusalem without crossing Palestinian territories (and by this I mean Palestian Authority controled territories or West Bank)
@H London I see. I think is a good thing to be concerned about human rights issues in Israel and West Bank controlled territories, but I don´t know if it HAD to be mentioned like that (it felt out of nowhere) that in a comentary about the differences between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
WOW I'm always learning something new with this channel. I mean I'm from Kenya and I know that we and Africa as a whole have problems but I'm quickly learning that every nation no matter how powerful has it's own unique problems, some large, some soo weird and interesting.
Same! I always thought of Europe/USA as some kind of magical and perfect place where everyone lives with no problems a happy life lol, its so interesting learning about the problems of other countries, even if you never plan on living in them. By the way, do you follow some kind of channel informing about politics in Africa? I want to learn more about the economics and politics of the continent from a reliable source
@@Beartic. it's all relative though. Im from the Netherlands and while we do have our fair share of controversies and political issues, there is no civil war going on, no totalitarian state we live under, no one is dying from hunger, etc. So in no way would I compare our issues to those in Africa or the Middle East.
@@dekippiesip Environmental pollution and lack of decent jobs compare to the UK and Germany. You haven't seen the recent post on CNN about the Netherland sinking.
You learning propagandas and accepting it unreal fact.
I'm from Israel and sadly most of the world doesn't cover Africa as it should be blinded by an antisemitic obsession about Israel. Europe committed huge crimes, Colonialism, and the Holocaust in the last 200 years, even today they despise Africa and hate Israel (because it's risen from nothing)
Small anecdote: A small group of ex-Haredim tried to sue the country, because when they left the Haredi life behind, they found out that they were not equiped with the basic skills needed to join the secular work force. The Haredi women do learn math, english, computers and science in school, because they are expected to go out and earn a living to support their family. Haredi men are only expected to study the Torah and Talmud, and therefore ignorant in any other aspect.
The secular part of Israel are fed up with the Haredim, because they do not pull their own weight.
There needs to be way way more anti-Heredim missionary work. Just like there are those trying to deter Christian missionaries from converting Jews. They need to start "converting" Heredi to conservative, reform or just plain secular lifestyle. They need to start trying to reduce the size and growth of that community using education and information as much as possible.
And Rabbinical power needs to be taken out of the hands of the Orthodox all together. They genuinely believe they are the only ones that count as actual "Jews", completely ignoring what the word actually means and the fact it has nothing to do with religion originally, as there was no formal religion. I mean, they still believe in full blown resurrection and magic. It's amazing that these folks got to decide who is and who is not Jewish and who gets to marry whom and other things like that.
There are probably thousands if not millions of Jews who would have otherwise made Aliyah, if not for the Rabbinical tyranny in the government and outside of government. Seriously. I would have made Aliyah like 10-15 years ago if it weren't for that and a few similar issues.
But I actually believe that separation of church and state, as we have in the US, better protects the rights of Jews and religious people, compared to the semi-theocratic state of Israel. Once you tie religion and government together, the religion can no longer be protected without becoming authoritarian in order to do so, as religious differences will cause schisms. And as we know in the religious world, sectarian infighting usually ends the same as cross-religious fighting. Shia and suni, Protestant and Catholic, Catholic and East Orthodox etc....
But making Israel a religiously Jewish state, you can no longer shield and separate Judaism from the responsibilities that come along with that. And thus at the end of the day, Judaism itself would be partly responsible for whatever the government does. And that just opens the door for a whole host of real life problems and possible religious war.
So at the end of the day, Judaism itself would be better off if Israel detached itself from this Rabbincal element.
Rabbi: “U take vakshin, u GAE!!!”
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lol
"Men need not work, your women should support you" 😂🤣 I can get on board with that
Hell Yeah!!!
They bought the feminist Truth!!!!
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Yeah! Femenists, THERE'S your equal rights!
a man that doesn't work to support his family because of religion is not a man.
16:42 A Haredi battalion exists, it's called Netzah Yehuda. Some literally call it "The Haredi Battalion".
Otherwise positively surprised by the accuracy of this video. While there are very small inaccuracies in the beginning (e.g. Haredi parties are not growing in representation, contrary to the stated in the video), overall it's so much better than the last time that VisualPolitik went into this area and got practically everything wrong. This time the research was much better.
More info on the "haredi battalion" lol for bored people everywhere en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardal
I think what they meant is that Haredi parties are a political force to be reckoned with, because you and I know how influenced they are to vote for the Haredi parties their rabbis tell them while also "running to the kalpiot" for every election. Basically the only reason Bibi was so dominant for so long.
@@mandudebro5916 Hardal aren't exactly Haredim, it's a separate stream, which largely serves in the army. They might vote for Haredi parties, but more likely for Tkuma.
Wikipedia has an article on the Haredi battalion as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netzah_Yehuda_Battalion
They only do a year and half..Its a joke
They called the lazy cheap bastard wellfare foodstamp thief's...
Rabbi says “covid vaccine can turn people gay”, that’s a creative and bold strategy for explaining why you’re in love with your best friend 😂
I cant come to work today, I'm feeling gay
Fun fact: There were gay people before the creation of the covid vaccine
Didn't an Iranian Mullah make that same claim recently? LMFAO!
@H London WTF no. What makes you think I hate Iran?
@H London I don't see how, I was just mocking a repressed gay Mullah and comparing him to repressed gay Rabbi. lol.
An Israeli here. Really impressed by the accuracy of the video!
Few points:
1) The Haredim (the citizens) wouldn't mind doing some kind of national service instead of military conscription (like religious girls do today), BUT, their rabbis forbid it since this would allow their followers to be exposed to the outside world and many would leave the Haredi bubble (as happened with European Jewry in the 19th century).
2) The Haredi men can't work (even if they want to) since they would officially lose their military draft deferment if they leave the yeshiva and get a job. Since the IDF doesn't really need (or want to deal with the special conditions of) Haredi soldiers, many Haredi men train in special courses (for Haredi only) to learn computer programming, law, and other profitable careers, while the army turns a blind eye.
3) Everyone (including the Haredim) know the current situation is untenable and want to see Haredi men enter the workforce and pay taxes. Unfortunately, until the army draft issue is resolved this can't happen (due to point 2 above). Making matters worse, there are 2 political parties (Lieberman and Lapid) that want to make political profit from the issue and make sure it can never be resolved with a compromise (see point 1).
@@thotslayer9914 Then leave the country. If you don't want to follow the religion or at least respect it, then get the hell out of the country.
They know that if their people get exposed to the real world, they will start leaving in droves.
Which is why I find it shocking that secular, reform and conservative Israeli's, don't do their own missionary work so to speak, attempting to help Heredi leave the community and more so, promote their leaving the community, exposing them to modern ideas and knowledge.
If the Christians can do it, and they do, in the thousands, I don't see why non-crazy, non-Orthodox aren't doing the same thing. They are the one's that really NEED to do this.
There should be active programs that go out of their way to expose Heredim to modern knowledge. Especially as young adults.
If this doesn't start occurring, there is a real threat in a few decades of Israel becoming a Heredi authoritarian state. And at that point, I could see WW3 kicking off. I wouldn't put it past them to knock down the golden dome and try to rebuild the 3rd temple. God forbid that temple ever gets rebuilt. It would be the worst day ever for Jews, Judaism, Israel and the world. The last thing Jews need now, as we are just getting on to our feet again, is the reestablishment of an antiquated theocracy, bringing back animal sacrifice and a disgusting social caste system, which is what Orthodox Judaism promotes, just as 2nd temple period was a Levitical caste system.... they would destroy Israel in the name of some fantasy of Hashem they have.
Their arrogance knows no bounds. And they call everyone else arrogant. They think they understand the universe and the mind of Hashem with great certainty. They are the very definition of blind arrogance. But their numbers need to be reduced and soon.
Since I'm seeing some obnoxious comments about how religion is the problem here. As an Israeli, I can say categorically that the problem isn't "religion". There are far more "modern Orthodox" Jews in Israel than Haredi Jews. Modern Orthodox are also very religious, observe the Sabbath, have lots of kids, and keep kosher. But they still work, pay taxes, and serve in the military. In fact, they're often very enthusiastic about serving in the military, since they tend to be very patriotic!
Haredim represent only one kind of religious Jewish practice, so the issue isn't "religion". It's ultra-Orthodoxy specifically.
Yeah, that was the take I got about the video, also. I kept thinking: but all the Orthodox Jews I've seen in the neighborhood are masked and waiting in vaccination lines along with the rest of the old folks. Its like the video but a magnifying lens on a subset of a subset of a subset of the population. When "religious anti-vacc'ers" come up in the statistics of polls and surveys its more often than not tied to evangelical protestants, not those practicing Judaism.
It is still a religion.
@@thetreasonseason Yes, and?
@@yaelthesnail and that's a fact
so its a problem of religious extremism isn't that still a religious problem though just wondering
Honestly as a secular Israeli guy, just thinking about this gives me anxiety for the future.
I find it ironic you say that. The over all success of the Israeli distribution of the vaccines is seen by my neighbors and I as the model with which to emulate. If other western countries follow the example of how Israel rolled out the vaccine to its own ultra-religious then I think the world has a good chance of getting past this covid-19 mess. Best of health to you and your own.
@@scottwarthin1528 Israel is a special case, no western country could actually emulate it. Israel paid far above market rate, promised to share data with the vaccine makers and did this early on. It also is an extremely small country with a great healthcare system in these communities. Ultra Orthodox Jews are far different then Ultra Orthodox Muslims or Christians.
@@SuperYoungblood123 Lies, disinformation. Your not a medical doctor, just a purveyor of lies. You claim to know better than all the research performed by the WHO, the US CDC, the PRC researchers, the EU medical authorities and the doctors who researched it before taking it themselves? Your an arrogant buffoon spreading dangerous disinformation that can only result in more human tragedy: "many don't want" only because of conspiracy theorists like you, not because of any scientifically proven, inherent flaw in the vaccines. The Moderna vaccine has, after the first shot, and will do, after the second shot, my mother more good than harm. The Pfizer vaccine has, after the first shot, and will do, after the second shot, my father more good than harm. The J&J vaccine will also probably make me less likely of spreading the disease when my turn comes to do the duty for my fellow human being of being immunized. You refute the head count of all the corpses that would not have died if it were not for COVID-19? Damn your blind eyes, Dima M. Your "wuhan19" reference smacks of Trump-ist racism, hatred against either east asians in general or specifically against the Chinese people. Its as low down dirty as it is unoriginal: tantamount to accusing the village Jews of contaminating the town well after an outbreak of bubonic plague. Dima M, shut up and take your vaccine shot(s) when your turn comes.
@@scottwarthin1528 you are a disinformation advocate, I would not be surprised if you worked for any government agencies. The virus came in 2019 and from wuhan every single person in the scientific community would agree. The science is not settled on the vaccines/mRNA and the virus is way overblown by the media, yes the WHO,CDC,PRC are corruptible have they been corrupted. My opinion is the WHO is Cohorst into doing. There are many doctors with much more evidence on the other side of this debate. PRC are communist, I came from communism. Communist are traitors to humans and Thieving scum and murders!
@@scottwarthin1528 You are in fact, the ultra religious nut job. Believing in "science" with absolutely zero understanding of it. Otherwise you would not have thrown every ounce of self reliance out the window. Rationalize it all you want, you are in fact following a cult.
Im an Israeli, I've seen many videos regarding Israel here on youtube, this is one of the few that is actually accurate.
kudos.
@LionessEye -
YES , this video is accurately showing the reality in Israel .... while most videos are just Pro-Israeli Propaganda or Anti-Israeli Propaganda
As an Israeli find this a very interesting prospective
Its called israeli
@@kalmanf2 don't judge, he might be an israeli and alien.
I’m already reading this and he instantly changed it.
@@Greezy2000 Im not fellow human
וורי טרו
Haredim: "The Torah protects and serves."
Romans, the Inquisition, Cossacks, Nazis, extremist Arabs: "Nuh-uh."
I mean it literally has warfare in the book and they used swords not the Torah to win
You are correct sir haha
@@aaroncampf Torah
"extremist Arabs" forgetting that many of the Arabs wouldve also been Jewish. Also the Jews that came into the region aren't the descendents of the people who left.
There's already a Haredi batallion within the IDF, where the men have more room for performing the mitzvahs and only have light military duties. But this is a very small group ofcourse and more of an experiment.
There are several units. Not light duties. We are talking Givati and Tzanchanim ( foot troops and Paratroopers)
@@abigailneckameyer219 Eventually things will go more integrationist, if the seculars respect the haredim's values and needs in the military
@@secnate I'll respect them if they get the same amount of monthly payment that a secular does (spoiler - they get much more)
@@secnate
Before all, the haredim should respect the country's law and obey it.
Um, I have an religious Israeli friend in a religious paratrooper battalion. I don't think he'd agree with you that he was doing a light military service.
Its funny how people are expecting to see a comment war when one side has no access to internet...
I wish neither side did, but here we are
Even if they had access they dont know English, they refuse learning it at school
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Sorry, I don't speak Japanese. 😅
Great topic to cover!!
Loved this video!!!
I'm a secular Israeli, and this video is absolutely spot on. To say that the behavior of the Haredi community is infuriating for most Israelis is an understatement. Their political leadership consistantly makes it clear that their only loyalty is to advancing their own community's interests at the expense of the rest of the population and the state at large.
If democratic Israel as we know it ceases to exist, it would probably be because of them. In everything they do, they march as one - to demonstrations, to events breaking COVID restrictions, and to the polls. Moreover, as the video showed effectively, with their birthrate being as it is, they will form an increasing share of Israeli society. The only hope I see for Israeli society in the future (except continuous, large scale immigration of secular Jews) is that I'd like to believe that the community will eventually become so big that the Rabbis would become unable to lock it out of modern society, and that more of them would secularize as a result of being exposed to the outside world. This could either happen relatively pleasantly due to the spread of technology, or very unpleasantly following a collapse of overstretched socioeconomic services.
That said, much of the world is suffering from demographic woes, and the high haredi birthrate could have positive implications for the state (allowing for a large and young workforce) as much of the developed world ages.
what disgusting ideas, hope for secularism and their birthrate to fall as you do in all other peoples in other states around the world
What is more threatening: Hamas/Iran or the demographic increase of the Ultra Orthodox Jews in the future?
The so called Haredi jews as you describe it, are the reason as to why judaism is still alive. They refuse to integrate and compromise.
Secular and non-Insane Israelis need to do anti-Heredi missionary work. The Christian fundamentalists are pushing their crazy missionaries everywhere, and they often feed on the distraught Heredi who want to leave the community.
I don't know why secular Israelis don't have some program to de-Heredi as many people as they can. Protect them from the Christian missionaries and their Heredi Rabbi overlords. Those Rabbis are the most arrogant, most spurnfull of Hashem I have ever encountered. Their arrogance is extra disgusting as they claim to know the mind of Hashem with absolute certainty. Yet they call the rest of us "arrogant". They project their own arrogance on to everyone else.
But there needs to be way more outreach for Heredi who are open to leaving the community. More programs to help integrate them into secular or at least conservative/reform society.
if the Christians can do it, sending thousands of missionaries, to steal away not just distraught Heredi, but Israeli Jews of all variety, I don't see why secular, reform and conservative factions can't do the same. They are the only thing standing in between a future authoritarian Heredi state and the wonderful, Republic of semi-secular Israel.
And obviously, the Orthodox Rabbinate has to go too. Or at least, Conservative and Reform need to be included in the Rabbinate.
state and religion should be separated.. no reason for us to support (financially) those who doesn't want to contribute
they should be separated because when they're not it creates antagonism towards religion and faith. this goes back to de Tocqueville and Israel is a good example of his theory/thesis (as is Iran apparently, if some unofficial polls are to be believed less than half the population now identifies as religious vs more the 90 percent before the Islamic revolution).
however in Israel the separation is impossible and not really appropriate (saying this as a secular Israeli Jew). even the socialist founders of Israel made sure to write in our declaration of independence that this is the homeland of *Jews*. it's further made impossible by the fact that the conflict Israel has had with its neighbors and Palestinians also challenges this concept, making it not only an internal political issue but also one of foreign and even defense policy.
in other words, if state and religion are separated, how is Israel the Jewish homeland except by virtue of (present) demography?
this mirrors very much the issue with calls of federation or multi-ethnic state or single state - it inevitably means Israel loses (some/all) its Jewish identity and this defeats the purpose of Zionism. Israel/Zionism needs Judaism because it is defined by it and this definition became crucial once it was realized (it took a long time) that the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine or the surrounding Arab nations won't accept a state with this type of definition. they might have accepted a multi-ethnic state but not a state where Jews rule, they saw it as colonialism and many still do, so the very definition of Israel and what it has fought for over the years is at stake here, and that's why religion and state cannot be separated.
It's comments like these that make me want to vote for Noam. If you want a secular, character-less nation, stop weighing down the nation and go to Europe.
@@AvnerSenderowicz firstly i don't see why a separation of church and state in israel would affect the defense policy of israel
secondly a separation of church and state in israel can manifest in other ways (not necessarily a repeal of the alia or other laws which are the corner of zionisem)
@@maayanmagal4629 once you start to unravel the thread you see these things are all intertwined and interlocked.
if Israel separates religion from state - how does it answer fundamental questions such as - for example! - who can/should be conscripted?
or how does Israeli supreme court defend the Allyia laws if Israel is another democracy?
how can Israel keep functions as Zionism intends it, as a home *state* for Jews, if for example twenty years from now there's an Arab majority?
to stay democratic Israel depends on demographics because otherwise this conflict becomes too great - but it's there even today when Jews are a large majority.
i believe Ben Gurion already understood this and it's a big part of the reason he gave the ultra-orthodox the authority over birth, marriage and death of Jews in Israel.
once you seperate the two it leads almost inevitably to an erosion in the Zionist goal as well. it puts Israel on a road to being a mutli-ethnic state. and the problem with that is it doesn't work - we have the best example of this bordering us to the north (but also in Iraq Lybia and elsewhere in the region).
@@AvnerSenderowicz conscription: you conscript everyone
Alia: you can still designate Israel as a Jewish home by having laws like the Alia
Demographic changes: how would you solve the demographic changes if they were to happen in the current framework
You guys should check out Lakewood,NJ, one of the largest populations of hasidic/haredi populations in the US. Its where the focal point of secular vs religious is being pushed as a close to #1 issue in Ocean County, NJ.
It's a nightmare .As a Jew who grew up in NY/NJ, they have ruined that entire area. People are scared to go to the store shopping in the area because of them and I don't blame them. I know many people who will literally drive an hour to go to a different Costco, just because Heredim overrun the Lakewood one and treat other customers like dogs.
Heredi are rude, treat non Jews offensively, and treat non Heredi Jews almost as offensively. They are arrogant, not humble as they pretend, but the exact opposite. It's always funny when they claim that the secular world is arrogant when they are the one's claiming to know, with certainty, the nature of God, the exact history of the Jews/Israelites, and to know with certainty that things like resurrection exist.... which, I would have to define is INSANE. Like actually delusional and insane. But that's what happens I guess when you get no real education to speak of outside of the mythological book that they believe to be the divine word of Hashem.
Which is of course, ridiculous.
I think often, Jews are more embarrassed and ashamed of Heredi than anything else. I always want to distance myself from them and it makes me feel bad because I never want to hide or shun my Jewish identity. But sometimes I think getting lumped in with them is worse.
Very accurate and informative too. Thanks
It's the first time I see a video of yours, and as an Israeli I can tell you that you explained it better than most Israelis can. Unfortunately for us, I don't see the Haredim joining the military soon. Also, I think that what most upsets us, Israelis, about them is that because they don't work or have low wages they don't pay taxes, thus making us, who work everyday for living, to pay not only for our lives, families, and our education, but also for theirs. I should pay for my own son's higher education, not for the Haredi education of Yeshivot (Yeshiva in plural) and Tora study
Edit: Also, like your British Accent:)
Curse on Israel.. For what they are doing with. Palastineans... Don't you feel a bit of shame.??
The fact that they are having exponentially more children than the rest of Israeli society is an enormous problem. I'm sure there are Christian missionaries waiting to pick of Heredim who are ready to fall, I just hope secular/reform/conservatives are doing the same. Really doesn't matter which direction they go in as long as it's not Heredi, fundamentalist Christian, Messianic or Islam.
Shoot, I'm surprised the government isn't pumping secular information into the community through subtle and covert means. Like an actual attempt to at least "reform" if not secularize, as many of the young Heredim as possible. Because another few decades, they are really going to control the country and I'm afraid it might be too late then.
GOd forbid that 3rd temple ever gets rebuilt. Heredi are crazy enough to do something like, that, something like removing the dome and rebuilding the "temple". IF that were to ever occur, that would be the worst day ever for Jews, Judaism, Israel and possibly the world. I'm pretty sure it would start WW3. But aside from that, it would, in the mind of all Orthodox and many conservative even, justify bringing back the completely disgusting and antiquated social caste and temple hierarchy, along with a silly monarchy. Not that it will be that easy for them to accomplish such things. But the more of them, the more likely something like that becomes. I men, they'd bring back actual animal sacrifice lol.
The majority of Jews, and the majority of Israelis even, of which I believe constitute around 60% of the Israeli population are secular theist, secular atheist and reform, non-orthodox Muslim/Christian, need to actively influence Heredim to leave their cults. Like there should be a major anti-Heredi movement , just as there is an anti-Christian missionary movement. And it really doesn't matter if they become secular, reform, conservative, or full blown atheist after that. What matters is that they start adding people to the non-Heredi proportion of the population.
1 million subs! Good job!
Shout-out for using "Wasteland" by Vapora at 3:41 such an underrated song.
Very informative and factual; great video. Well done; thank you!
This is the best description of the Haredi issue in Israel. kudos on your professional reporting.
PIKUACH NEFESH made me laugh so hard. that CH is like the Cyrillic (and probably greek) Χ. similar to the words Hummus and Chaim. other than that pretty accurate. a few minor thing worth noting
1. There are several types of Kosher certificates, so what you mentioned about Haredi men needing a job with Kosher food - they need specific Kosher food according to their customs. and there are several sects of Haredim, with some having even more strict Kosher laws.
2. Regarding cellphones, they're only allowed to use "Kosher" phones. which are basically dumb phones without internet meant only for phone calls.
Thank you for this video, its always nice to see one's own country though external eyes,
a few anecdotes if i may (my opinions):
1. the Haredy population in israel is not homogeneous. there are quite a lot of sub fractions and a very small group is actually anti-israely, the anti-israely groups do not vote and have no actual representation in parliament (reference to the Neturei Carta sect).
2. the arab population is also not homogeneous, several groups like Druze, Cherquestic and Beduin communities do serve in the IL military.
3. the "enragement" of secular people about shabat restriction is often played up for election purposes.
4. the subsidies and exemptions that Haredy and arab large families get from the state is a bigger political issue. most people would like to see these two populations integrated into the general population as equally participating citizens.
as i am a firm believer in equality before the law, i think that the only way forward is to abolish all exemptions that are group based. i hope i'm not alone thinking this.
This comment deserves more attention.
Personally, I think Israel needs to abolish the draft, and replace it with a professional volunteer-based army (with basic training for all, in the case of war).
@@themusicfactory99 that sounds good until u realize that it needs a large enough army and reserves to fight its neighboring countries with huge populations for example egypt has over 10x Israels population with a evergrowing army and its modernizing extremely fast
@@yuval0658 But isnt egypt trying to normalize relations with Israel? I don't think Egypt will threat Israel, at least for now
I think the best way is to make it so that the ultra-orthodox have their own working community so that they don't have to work with secular jews. If they can work in an environment that's not secular I think a lot of Haredim would agree to this. There is already a rise in ultra-orthodox serving in the IDF. If there are more programs specific to the religious jews I think many more would serve in the military.
"Israel does not look favorably on giving military training to it's Arab population."
It certainly does, the only difference is that Arabs are not automatically drafted at 18. Arab soldiers and generals do take part in the IDF. They have advance careers and even go onto become generals and more.
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It's not about all Latin America. Expect half the vids there to only be about Argentina, this channels' pet obsession.
Yes Latam are a good airline.
*Hispanic America
Ah fundamentalists are similar in every religion some more violent than others.
These ones are too lazy to be violent.
Yep, stupidity works the same way for all people, no matter of nationality, skin color or religion.
Wow, this is honestly a pretty civil comment section. Plus, I gotta say, as an Israeli this video is very accurate
haven't gotten into it, but id think Israel owes its existence to ultra orthodox ppl.
@@jhoughjr1??? Please elaborate. If anything, the opposite is correct. Almost all of the ultra-orthodox jews were very much against a Jewish state when Israel was founded.
@@thotslayer9914 can assure you, it isn't
This is it... Since this video was posted in the spanish channel a few weeks ago, I'm waiting this day. Don't let me down comment section! :D
It's actually been fairly civil. Buen dia!
@@jacobandrews2663 Yeah! It's quite a surpirse (a good one, but I'm still a surpirsed).
¡Y tenga usted buen día también!
This video isn't about Palestine. No one cares about the Haredi except the Israelis themselves.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Who is talking about Palestine? I'm confused. Are you addressing a deleted comment?
@@jacobandrews2663 People expect shitstorms in comment sections of Israel-related videos or articles because of the Palestine issue.
Imagine losing your life in the holocaust, just to be survived by people like these....
wtf ?
I'm very thankful this video was well-researched and objective.
great video!
@TryllaTröllMaistre Fictitious Fables of Europa what?
I did not understand your message at all XD
@TryllaTröllMaistre Fictitious Fables of Europa also Salam AAlecum is a 2 words sentence that means peace be upon you all, you ment salam
The hebrew equivalent of salam aalecum is shalom aleichem
As an Israeli and (former) haredi I watched this with interest. It is, on the whole, spot on.
The haredi sector, while not by any means binary, rather a spectrum, I would describe as deeply religious, of course and profoundly conservative and traditional in outlook.
Why did you leave the community...?
@@xxxthomas215 I am no longer in the "ultra" camp of orthodoxy, but remain religious.
@@solschwarz5169
I understand. I listen to Rabbi's such as Rav Yosef Mizrachi who is orthodox. I also listen to a few ultra orthodox nd modern orthodox rabbis.
I love the holy land and its different cultural, religious and historical sites. Such a vast array of overlapping places to visit. Been there many times.
PS! Visualpolitik team - please turn down the music between the talking segments. When listening from large speakers at night then the music is so loud compared to the voice and it feels like Im having a party,. My wife can sleep trough it but my downstairs neighbours sure ain't happy about it. These things should be in more balance, Whoever is doing the sound then should turn it down a notch and make it match with the talking part better.
buy a head set.
Can I just honestly and truly state a message of thanks to your channel. As an English-speaking Israeli on the internet, I have become used to all anglophone media being biased, un-nuanced, and essentially blatantly racist against Israel and Israelis, often engaging in blatant lies and half-truths (at best) and actively peddling antisemitic blood libel (at worst), with comments sections to match. I have never seen such behaviour on Israeli-themed videos on your channel, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. This shouldn't be something that is so unique as to be praiseworthy, yet, here we are in the modern world as it currently exists.
I ain't gonna lie much of the time, you think Israel, you think apartheid, oppression, people who do to other people what the Romans and Nazis did to their ancestors, but you have to think there's another side to it. I'm sure not all IDF soldiers are murderers and not all of them kidnap kids. Not all Hamas members are terrorists, but the ones that are can burn in hell. A WHOLE group can not a be blamed for the crimes of their government so that's why I'm not blaming all Israelis for nethanyahu. All Chinese for Winnie the Pooh or all Iranians for Khomeini.
it's funny how that rejecting a genocide based occupation is considered "anti-semite"
@@mahmoudshawkat3500 Rejecting a occupation is not anti-semite. However a lot of people here in the internet and youtube mix "rejecting the occupation" with wishing suffering and death for every Israeli citizen, which is obviously anti semite
@@Beartic. I wish not death or suffering on the innocent people of occupied Palestine nor do most arabs and Muslims we want our land back and no more (israeli) intervention on the rigion
In clearer language get the fuck out of my house
There are a few inaccuracies, but overall you did a great job on a sensitive and complex topic.
How about... one-sidedness and an overall opinion that any religious education is no work at all ? What about an actual view on the orthodox to understand their beliefs?
@@lukasjansen1815 that would be called anti semitic
funny isn't it?
You guys are spot on with your work
it was kind of funny how you decimated saying Pikuach nefesh I am happy to help if you ever need to say jewish/israeli words. Love the show!
While you're at it, help him to pronounce discriminatory too. 😛
I’m really excited for season 3 of Shtisel to be released on Netflix this week!
Shtisel
7:50 LOL
There seems to be a trend. The ultra conservatives holds back societal progress
While the ultra liberals are so “progressive” they become mentally ill
@@michaela5950 provide an example.
@@michaela5950 modern day Liberals aren't really liberals. John Locke would be considered a conservative today if you read his books.
1 they aren't conservative; the tradition is constantly questioned and modified, just within boundaries
2 If anything these are the future. Demographically and culturally. Secular progressivism, in practice, leads people to be atomized consumers whose behavior would make Machiavelli blush.
Radicalism is bad, period. Whether it be radical conservatism or radical liberalism - BOTH are bad.
Often, people like to justify their side's radicals as "understandable" or whatever - but this is wrong. Be understanding with radical thinking if you must but ALWAYS condemn radical actions.
are you going to do a video about the Netherlands election?
What about it? Its just an election. Nothing special.
That would be interesting
@@jarkkoasukas7287 why?
as a dutch, I am wondering what is possibly interesting about it - especially since the same prime minister probably stays
@@lukasjansen1815 dont expect an answer.....
VisualPolitik is brave to leave the comment section open on this video. This should fun to read.
Glad that there is almost none toxic comments here
Such an interesting news article
Every country, religion, etc has a group like this. The more deeply religious they are, the worse it is...as the more impervious to logic and reason they are. Part of the human condition.
As a hareidi (though I live in the US), please remember that the ultra orthodox are not a monolith. We're more orthoprax, and less orthodox, we all follow the same laws, but in other cases not so.
@evon erfin depends what you mean by zionist. Do you mean those who believe that the jews have a right to live and/or establish a government in Israel, I view them favorably. But the secular zionist those who are replacing judaism with zionism I don't support
5:50 that's literally made me laugh out loud.🤣
Very good video
I am Israeli and I must compliment Visualpolitics for an excellent video: good research , deep analysis and the message is not biased to any side. Well done! It is clear to me personally that the existing situation that such a huge population is being educated in complete ignorance about what is happening in the modern world will blow up in the face of the the ultra-Orthodox community sooner or later.
In general your video is truthful, but lacks some nuances: haredi community consist of multiple parts. While some of them are anti-zionist, others serve in the army. And not all other Israeli Jews are secular. There's entire spectrum of in-between grades of religious observance. I'm secular (hilony) btw, but my college is observant non-haredi for example
many zionists in utah
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@@kitkat47chrysalis95 thanks a lot for your support!
In my country South Africa, you're not a man if you cannot provide for your family. If I have an older brother but he's considered to be dead weight he cannot speak before me in family gatherings.
wow, rough.
Are you white or black
If your white your country is Europe
@@Moon-ei7se I'm obviously black you idiot. Even if I wasn't I'd still be South African. Same way how African-Americans claim fealty to the US
@@caven7056 no I live in usa I'm not American this stolen land I'm just a Somali nothing more I have history here and i don't want to claim the history of killing people and stealing their land.
I wonder if the cessation of Haredi military exemptions will be followed up by some others. It lays the groundwork by stating that All Israeli Citizens inside this Secular State should complete compulsory service, and this Haredi exemption is discriminatory.
Where else might that lead? I can think of a couple of places. Just ask yourself what other Israeli citizens are exempt? What are the reasons for their exemption, and are some of these reasons potentially discriminatory on the same grounds?
As for the religious point.
From the beginning a lot of Rabbis where against the State of Israël because it has nothing to do with judaism. Hertzel was ready to start a country in Africa.
And their are many laws what don't go with the Torah (Bible) .
That's why some groups go against the State of Israel .
They're most groups that accept it but not as jews but we need to use in the best way. And only listen when they want .
As for the land is from as only because G-D gave it to as.
And exist on miracles as a small country against it's Arab neighbors.
And believe sure we need army by studying Torah it bring miracles we need.
Like before the 6-day war The Rebbe came out with a campaign to put on Tefillin (prayer boxes) and the miracle happened.
*Sees thumbnail
*Armors up
"Let's go boys"
*Jumps into comments section
Don't forget popcorn.
@@abdifatahabdi2411 And The pitchforks
Thought provoking video and, if the Isreali comments are any gauge, true to the facts on the ground as the locals involved see them. May VisualPolitik EN get another 1M subscribers.
I think it's worth noting that the monthly government payments to haredi orthodox jews have gone down alot and it's not like anything to live on, it's good to see them start working more. It's not just their wives that work and support the family financially, it's both sets of their parents as well.
Excellent video! Very accurate except for the part about an imminent haredi military draft issue. This issue, while genuinely controversial, has been in the political ladscape for at least the last 25-30 years. Granted, it gets more contentious every year and every time it percolates people make predictions about dire conflict, but nothing ever drastically changes. Maybe something happens this year. Maybe not. Don't be surprised if nothing really changes on this issue.
There is already an Haredi Battalion, named Netzah Yehuda, in the IDF .
Otherwise, the video is very accurate and good .
They put up white flag for shabbat or what? 😂
6:04 they are whom feminist dream of by leting women being the socalled MAN
That is a silly ignorant comment. Feminists do not want the dominant role - just equal opportunity.
@@Longtack55
Thats first or second wave Feminism.
We are in forth wave now where man's right movement is called mysogynist was hunted to extinction who wanted equal rights for man n women.
@@sunset2.00 What Rights are men being deprived of? Humour me. I believe that weak men fear strong or even average women.
@@Longtack55
Jeff basos n pirate of the carabian jack sperrow actor should be well enough example of MRA cause.
Women are definitely not dominant among the Haredi.
10:06 "The days of Indulgence are over". But תחמנות means "duplicity", not "indulgence"
so these ultras ad free loaders and zeolots - bit like there counter parts in Iran
I guess you can say that.
Yes it's scary that's actually happening in a modern western democracy.
The nation's character lays on their back; their existence maintains a Jewish majority and a Jewish character. They might need to improve their derech eretz but otherwise, alright.
@@ja_aq.ov_ or maybe evolve, even way back in time people had a job and studied the Torah, how come these guys just eat off our backs "the wives and the governments wages will be sufficient" What kind of an awful thing to say, you live off your wife's hard work and yet somehow the last name is yours and you decide how you raise the children? Seriously?
When there’s more comments about how messed up the comment section is going to be than actual messed up comments
Give it time
Somehow I have to get used to your music choices
What's the name of the 4:25 song?
Hello there!
I live in Israel
Mostly good job. Just a few points you didn't quite get right.
There are already several haredi battalions (netzach Yehuda, Chardi Tzanchanim and others) And have existed for over 20 years.
The issue is more that anyone signed up as learning in yeshivah doesn't have to go to the army. But there are haredim that are not signed up as learning in yeshivah and do do military service.
That is also a driving force for the low employment numbers, with any working haredim requiring prior military service many avoide being signed up as working even if they are.
There are also many sub-groups within the haredi community. As you mentioned there are two haredi political parties. But most of the people involved in the anti government riots don't vote at all (they don't want a part in the Zionist entity prior to the Messiah arriving)
Either way a complicated issue and your broad brush strokes were generally in the right direction.
Feel free to contact me if you want a perspective of someone who lives in Jerusalem and sees the nuances.
@Akshay 18 where are you from?
@Akshay 18 nice to see people from India can read and write English
"There are also many sub-groups within the haredi community. As you mentioned there are two haredi political parties. But most of the people involved in the anti government riots don't vote at all (they don't want a part in the Zionist entity prior to the Messiah arriving) "
this is insane, so they riot to change the government, but wont vote to change the government?
@@joseaca1010 maybe they are not trying to change the government. They are just protesting against it. They don't feel part of what's going on. But you are right that it's not a positive protest in any direction. Rather a negative protest anti the government.
Maybe worth thinking in terms of our own lives, when we voice discontent concernibg a particular situation, are we being constructive or just anti?
@@moviesformoshedaniel9031 ive protested before, when i did it was preciselt to change things, granted venezuela being a dictatorship means my vote held little influence so its not like i had a choice
There are dozens of people in the comments warning for ugly discussions, but no such ugly discussion at all (until now at least) xD
12:05 what is the name of the song?
I would literally volunteer, without pay, to help you with pronunciation. Feel free to reach out. Love you guys
Interesting...
I live in Bensham, Gateshead ...the largest Haridi community in Europe, I think.
During the first lockdown all the temples were closed so they'd pray in the back lanes or gather in front of their houses and prey and sing.
It was pretty cool. I got a good view from my window.
It's like being in Reservoir Dogs, The Musical.
An excellent Scottish name. "gather in front of their houses and prey and sing" what a wonderful way to be compliant and still spread covid... the imagination and ingenuity of the average Rabbi is astounding; I suppose it has to be to be able to explain slavery, genoice, patricide, incest etc etc that is in the jewish book Actually it is the same for every religion.
@@tariq_sharif
You're not really talking to me, are you...
...and while that's the case, say it somewhere else.
@@Alisdair_UK Actually i am "talking" to you ... there's this concept of if you make a comment in public expect replies... you should try it
Of course it is your right to tell me to go somewhere else as it is my right to tell you how abominable is the bible/torah/quran ?
See how freedom works ?
@@Alisdair_UK ... i wonder if that is the same freedom enjoyed by the tribes surrounding the isrilites when god commended them to be all killed (but take the young virgins as sex slaves).. Do you want to know exactly which verse that is in your monstrous book ?
@@tariq_sharif Bit of a stretch to think he's religious himself. He didnt take part in the praying himself after all, or if its a nod to christians I cant say much, but its on its way out in the uk, most folk ain't religious or just pay lip service these days.
The advert algorithm is getting shitier, 7 ads in a 17minute video. This is not a comedy channel, one tends to loose continuity in serious matters. And the cherry was the yeah...something video of 1hr 23 min.... In a 17 minute video :-0 . Is there someplace else I could access these videos????
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One mistake to correct, it is not true that Israeli Arabs are discouraged from being in the IDF. If I recall correctly, there is even a unit comprised of Israeli Arabs. Considering the enemies, they actually have a special skill set that many Israelis don't have. There is many Israeli Arabs who are more than happy to serve in the IDF...
I am an Israeli and I can attest to the accuracy of this clip - Bravo
You missed out the UK in your opening Covid vaccine graph, around 3rd best in the world on most figures i've seen.
This isn't about Pomgolia.
the greatest thing about israel is that as a 19 year old with no immune problems i am already fully vaccinated
Do you mean you did not need the vaccine?
@@annamari4861 no I meant I got it super early
Reasonably accurate and admirably succinct summary of the situation. The underlying problem is the crazily low percentage of votes necessary to obtain a seat in the Knesset -(Parliament). Thus, tiny minority parties come to exert outsized influence by making or breaking a ruling coalition. The other major problem, with virtually all fundamentalist religious parties of any country, is their lack of willingness to adhere to the rules and institutions of democracy since they all imagine that they have a direct pipeline to the will of the divine dictator in the sky. Hence, why consider the will of the rest of the electorate?
The haredi parties are not a tiny minority. so your argument is wrong. Fewer parties will give Heradim even more seats.
Just a quick correction: the Arab population in Israel does not serve in the military because the government recognises that they might feel conflicted loyalties in a conflict with the neighbours. Arabs can and do volunteer to serve.
Ok here we go. Trying not to disparage a religion but critique a culture, policy, or institution.
Religion is toxic nonsense.
This is going the start A WAR IN THE COMMENT SECTION
And I have all ready been proven right
Quick correction (I am an Israeli-American) - Haredim do have a dedicated unit in the IDF (though few join), though they are part of a particular sub-group of haredim. And Arabs serve as well, though not many.
As a man who lives in an American town with a very large Orthodox Jewish population, this was very informative.
@@amanjain4005 I don’t know and I don’t want to assume. But I will say there are a ton of yeshivas in town and much of what was described in the video matches what I’ve observed. But since I don’t know the difference, I can’t say for sure.
This video is a taste of hate against the Jewish religion and inaccurate as can be.
@@leowise206 you do realize there are many different denominations of judaism right? It’s not just a “all jews are this” thing. Ultra-orthodox means that he isn’t talking about all Jews here. This is a very specific community. Pretty much all the sources the video has used were pretty legit from the few I checked as well
@@leowise206 hm interesting. I’ll take it with a grain of salt then.
This video made me remember of a chapter from World War Z (the novel).
Yee that was a good book
Same
Oh boy The prepare for war...
Its time to take back Jerusalem
@@asifurrahman5014 from who?
@@yurichtube1162 zionist occupiers
@@mahmoudshawkat3500 did you mean arab occupiers? You arabs do not belong in the Levant and North Africa.
Interesting; but such speed of delivery!
Anyone know the track name at 15.37?
Anna chron ism or anach ronism?
Yeah I laughed at that too. Anach ronism is correct.
10:57
piuach nefesh kadma latora
roughly translataed to "supervision of the soul comes before the tora
I was watching Gordon Ramsay's funniest insults and left autoplay on... now I ended up here, how?
Incredibly done
usually when things start with ultra and Orthodox than there is a problem, yeah.