Early Game Guide/6 Tips: Darkest Dungeon
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- This guide is for beginners in Darkest Dungeon October 2018. After watching this video, please see my other video of 8 tips for mid to late game players.
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the no 1 tip of DD is:
Remind yourself, that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
This is very true for veterans and beginners of the game.
I have well over 200 hours into this game, and I had no idea that the battle rewards for torch level were only decided at the end of the fight. Good tip!
Thank you!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Yeah, 6 months later and this has still helped me quite alot as a new player. Thank you! (Also, nice to see you're doing some Sekiro too, I loved it)
Edit: I thought this was 6 months ago but holy damn I just looked at the video upload date
@@halthiber9855 Two years, six month and a week later. I think I can earn more gold now. Thanks!
That's gamebreaking knowledge.
*Enemy 15/15*
Deals 4 dmg
Deals 2 dmg
Deals 5 dmg
Deals 3 dmg
*CRIT DEALS 24 DMG*
Haha, yeah... the 3 hp, one shot critical strike is so deflating.
All the fucking time
Lmao very true
I mean, Even when you get a critical at the start of the game they always have 1 HP left
Get stress healing jesters off the stage coach and go on stress recover runs for your key units. If not, cycling through different party comps will allow your units to passively stress heal whilst idle. No need to spend any gold.
David Toh That is a good way to do it. I personally do not cling/focus on runs to heal stress for early game heroes unless they have good quirks or are a class I really like (such as the jester). The awesome thing about the Darkest Dungeon is all the ways you can do things well. Thank you for commenting and adding insight!
Well that may not work well early game, as the jester cant stress heal very well without the skill being upgraded
Money is indeed everything. But its can be solved early - antiquarians! Eearly one do run regular raid with focus on resources, especially paintings. Prefer mission with paintings in reward. Dont upgrade unnesessary stuff for paintings, and save money. Got 1-2 antiquarians asap. Run apprentice medium+ (with one or more campings) dungeons with one in team. Buy more food than usual and open antiquarian "free trinket" camp skill. Run dungeon with best guys and open as less curios as possible (ofc open all with her, if soneone dont know yet it give extra loot). Then you done - put out the torch and if full darkness open go back and open everything you left, dont replace money with resources in this run. You got TONNS OF MONEY now. With 3-4 runs you can got 100 000+ gold + 3-4 extra trinkets. Buy bank with first blueprint from event.
Now you can forget about money.
Upgrage trinket shop - and now you can swim in trinkets. Easy game, easy life.
Not so much on stygian, but still userful if you can pull it early enouth.
Btw - farm shambler in T3 dungeons untill you got all his trinkets. With team of heroes who have their first upgrades on armor and skills he kinda easy. On veteran and especially champion lvl shambler much stronger, and his trinkets dont have such great effect here.
Also this torchless endings work in regular runs aswell, both in the end and before camp.
Two things I have to add:
First: look into camping skills early on. Camping is incredibly powerfull and based on the camping skills your party has a middle or long run can come out much easier than a short run. Add that to the better trinket and gold reward and you should never feel afraid to take a middle or long quest.
Second: always buy the full amount of food when you take a quest. Its important. Camping will consume food (you should always invest 8 food into a camp), your party will randomly become hungry and you can use food to heal deaths door between fights.
Bonus tip: if you go into the cove you should bring additional shovels and herbs. There are two chest types that give additional loot if a shovel is used and one herb can heal a random negative quirk from one of your heros if used on a coral. Also the coves traps cause a nasty debuff you want to get rid off. Investing into these two items can heavily pay off!
I agree with both of those statements. In my second play through I heavily leaned on the medium dungeons and I noticed a strong difference in trinkets and gold immediately.
I do forget about the shovel curio for the chests, I often avoid shovels in the early game because of how expensive they are, but in the cove they are huge bonus. Thank you for adding to the community!
What do you do to the chests with the shovels in cove?
Regarding those curios, it can be dangerous to use all of your shovels in the beginning, therefore those can be picked up after you know all shovel path curios are discovered it taken care of. Or you can bring in an extra shovel or two if you want to cover for an additional curio.
Darkest Dungeon has the same turnover rate as McDonalds. :P
MeGawOOt99 haha sure does!
95% ACC sweet! Time to kill some monsters!
DODGE
DODGE
DODGE
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DODGE
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You forgot the critical hit when the enemy is 1hp left -_-
You know what they say.. If its not a 100% chance to hit.. Its a 50% chance
In my game Reynald was at the deaths door and survived bleed,getting hit,and blight...like I was frikkin amaged how the guy survived all that with frikkin 0 health! Like 3times in a row in one battle!
Too strong to bring down!
Asef Rahman Dipto many fall in the face of chaos, but not this one. Not today
In my game Reynauld died cuz he refused to eat his veggies at camp
I got the achievement fof 5 deaths door hits in my first combat with dismas lol
Never occurred to me to snuff out the damn torch on the last fight... genius!
Thanks for sharing these tips, I was starting to get really frustrated with this game even though I've played many hours already. :D
No problem! There's so many things to darkest dungeon it's hard to master them all, and I think that's what makes this game so fun.
How do you unlight the torch? I tried doing it with mouse and nothing happened.
Or did they patch out this mechanic? I'm still new, I've only played for likes 5hrs.
@@psychedelicwolf9697 Shift + left click on it.
@@BorderWise12 Oh thank you for the quick reply. I'll be repeating this right away.
So I'm playing at the lowest difficulty since I'm a noob.
My Reynauld died because of a damn fish.
Those fish are brutal. The lowest difficulty is also a great since you can take your time and not worry about too many things at once. Once you get the knowledge, things will move much smoother.
As a beginner, I've started to feel like I have to look around the internet to understand the game because this "trial and error (so so so much error)" kinda learning thing is beginning to piss me off so much. I feel more like I'm a complete failure and less like this is a thrilling adventure. I play these games for escapism, not my normal daily life.
I was so heartbroken when my "heroes" started dying and everything just kept going to crap. Because of the way the game told me that I could always turn back and keep the party members alive, it made me feel guilty if someone died. Nice job, I felt like garbage only to find out that these guys are expendable and you are supposed to use them, throw them out and even let them die to survive, to only keep selected few alive and sane. I'm really angry but I do have to admit it is in a very cruel way interesting.
I suppose you gotta be a monster too to survive the darkest dungeon.
The game can be frustrating initially and there is a section of the community who will refuse to validate anything other than this game is easy. Fortunately for me, I have lived in both realms in this games life.
I had many similar feelings as you, because honestly the game doesn't disclose a lot of information and is meant to punish for you lack of knowledge. The good news is, once you arm yourself with enough knowledge the game because significantly easier, and this is where people say the game is not hard at all. The first playthrough is the worst, the second time through is so much more enjoyable. If you are feeling some of these emotions, I would look up what curios do and what bosses do. This should cut down on the levels of frustration and the curios will help remove quirks and buff you for dungeons. If you need more help, feel free to comment on any video and I will do my best to get to you.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Thank you so much! I'll definitely check out how the bosses and curios work! And thanks for being kind. I was already bracing myself for another nasty comment from someone saying "stop whining, the game is perfect and you're just shit at playing it" since I've seen many people who've criticized the game get such comments. It seems the community is either very helpful and encouraging or just laughs at you, lol.
7 days in and its the first time i heard about the torch trick, thanks man! You're a lifesaver
Just bought the game in the Klei's sales and loving it a lot! The art is pretty amazing and your tips are helping a lot, thanks! Already bought the DLCs, i'm getting full into it
Good luck! The dlcs can be a little harsh at first
Recently got back into this game and completely forgot how to do things, thanks for the video man, helped me out a lot!
Glad to hear!
I had maxed out characters and would still have someone die to bosses trust me if nothing else does a boss will take someone down
I agree with that. Every boss is capable of throwing a fast one on us!
I am just now playing this and your guide was super helpful. Honestly surprised you don't have more subs. Here's another one!
Thank you so much! I'm growing rather rapidly and every sub helps :).
nice guide, helped me a lot, thanks
I will say one thing, and that is that I have only lost one person to the collector, that was because I had just had a run-in with the "thing from the stars" where one person was on death's door, every other time I have killed the collector without issue (probably because I almost always take a Leper :DDD)
Maybe it’s just personal preference, but if you’re in need of gold, I’d recommend going antiquarian runs over torchless ones. Torchless runs make it much likelier for you to get critter to hell in basically any fight that is tougher than maggots, and can more easily risk you losing a character and having to leave early, whereas having a character that doesn’t contribute as much damage and utility as the rest is fine, if you are prepared. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Yes torchless runs can offer much more risk/stress and hero death. That's why I would typically take in 4 nobodies and minimal provisions. Antiquarians are good ways to make money and that is why I always kept one around it's the safer and more progressive option. But if you don't have an antiquarian or in the situation to use one, picking up 4 people from the stage coach can be a good option.
The snuffing of torches right before killing an enemy for more rewards seems like an exploit lolol
If you don't want to do it before the enemy dies just do it as the last man standing. Its how the torch mechanic works and it takes a lot to do it all the time.
Just bought the game on PS4 and subbed going to watch your play through on DD nice video mate 👍
Thank you and I hope you enjoy the game!
Gave this game up after a few tries but decided to watch a tip video while it reinstalled, I'm glad I chose this one
Thank you! The difficulty of this game is U shaped. Very tough in the beginning and at the end. So if you can get a good start, just watch some videos on how to close out champion I think the game will be more enjoyable!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming thankyou but I like to game in a less guided way and tend to look for help after I've tried without a guide but if I start struggling I'll definitely do that
This video was expeshially useful for a beginner. Thank you.
Haha thank you. I've mostly fixed that in the future but thank you for paying attention!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming ❤️🎉 keep up the good work.
subbed! will play this game for the 1st time in 2 hours
Llednar Atreides
Thank you for subscribing! Currently I am making party composition videos. I will be releasing a trinket in the next few weeks. Stay tuned!
Great video, appreciated !
Thank you for the comment!
Not sure on this, but campfire gives you free full light afterward, so the strategy of snuffing your torch before the final blow should work when you decide to camp (and know that there is no fight in the next room or you are in a room battle).
That is correct. You can snuff out the torch and walk around without using torches. Then you can get full light by sitting down. I have done that multiple times, thank you for adding that!
Great tips!
Hello mate just subbed after buying this game on offer on the ps4.
I've just done my first run in the ruins and 2 of my party steal the goods for themselves with the kleptomaniac trait!! Lol...they have comeback with 2 of them at stress 50...should I leave the stressed out as I'm at the start and throw in 2 others?
Also I didn't camp in my first run? Is that normal?
How do you use food manually in the dungeon too? Can you eat during battles?
Great tips in this video and in the comments.
Peace :)
D Cooke
First off, Thank you for subscribing. In the beginning of the game you are going to have to be rather cut throat with who you keep and don't keep. If an individual receives too much stress ( above 60 is where I draw the line for the first weeks in the game usually), since you do not have many good options of stress reducing and quirk removal. It is a judgement call of when you want to stop getting rid of heroes and start keeping them.
You do not always have to use the campfire. I have gone through medium dungeons without using the campfire, and this usually happens when I do not have an ability to ward off a night time ambush. I have also deleted campfires from my inventory to stash additional loot near the end.
You can use food manually outside of fights, but not during. If you click on the food it should consume it. Be wary though, because you want to leave enough food for your people to eat as you progress through the dungeon. I hope this has clarified some questions :).
Awesome video 👍
Dope video, thanks mate +1
Thank you!
I was wondering if killing the torch before killing last enemy world work. thanks for clearing this up.
No problem! Thank you for watching
This is a helpful guide. I wonder if you'd thought about doing an early game guide specifically for Stygian. The attitude to character deaths and rotation seem different to me in this mode and the first 1-15 weeks seem really hard to get through without losing a character.
I have thought about starting a campaign on Stygian. I have not due to most of my focus going towards videos, but maybe after making most of my helpful videos, I can transition into that.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I'd be really interested to know what your thoughtsare as such an experienced player. I only play that mode, in the hopes of beating it, but can't. It's the character deaths limit that wrecks things for me and makes RNG much more significant.
I just read the rules to Stygian and dang I can see why that is tough. The worst thing to me is that 86 weeks, since it pushes you into quicker decisions and heroes being gone for stress heals on a weekly basis is more punishing. The regular bosses would not get priority anymore (at least to me), thus the main goal may be to plan out the 4 parties you need to defeat the darkest dungeon. Find those 16 characters and try to keep a back up of one or two as you go through.
I will definitely look into it, but it may not be until Late September or early October. In the meanwhile feel free to ask questions, I will try to answer from a theoretical place for now :).
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Yes you're right - better players than me will probably disagree but the bosses are not worth the risk for the trinket reward (except the Brigand Pounder maybe, who is perhaps the easiest to manage anyway). The Shambler is a total no. On balance I think I would avoid Vvulf. I would say you need two parties for each DD, allowing for one failed run on each, meaning you need a full roster of fully uppgraded lvl 6 characters by week 79 at the latest. Allowing for the first fail each time to take one character (one death, one taken in the retreat), and for the two automatic deaths in the last dungeon, that means by the time you hit the final four dungeons you can have a maximum of 3 in the graveyard. Better players than me wouldn't need so many failed attempts at the final dungeons.
Thanks for the advices
You are welcome!
I’m confused with the level up thing Ive only been playing about an hour how the hell do I LV these guys up
@BrutalKombos kills DO NOT equal XP/resolve. Completing missions will grant xp/resolve. Short missions give the least, medium give 2nd most, and long obviously give the most.
In the early game, I heavily recommend taking resolve 0's mainly through short dungeons, since one short dungeon means a quick jump to resolve level 1. This allows them to get some armor and skills when you unlock those options later in the game. In the first 5 to 10 weeks do not worry about stocking up on individuals or treating some individuals for high stress damage or bad quirks. Keep adding and discarding bad individuals until you can get some gold and items below your belt along with some building upgrades.
I hope this helped, if you have other questions feel free to @ me. Thank you for watching!
I just started with DD, dont have a clue what to do, I guess i have to spent some time with the game to actually love it or not
It's hard in the beginning but it gets a lot better in the end game
I'm going to have to start over and try some of these. Since the game stopped holding my hand my games been snowballing, I can't seem to win more than 3 battles before I have to turn back so I make no profit. My resources dwindle and the quirks pile up.
The character designs and mechanics make me want to love it but it feels like the game does not want me playing it.
The first 10 to 15 weeks really set a good foundation for your future gameplay. If you need more of a week by week playstyle I do have a full campaign where I show the first 10 weeks fully played out. Should be in a play list! Thank you for watching.
nice guide!! one question? so first i upgrade the stage coach, and after that wich one ? the one that lowers stress?
I would avoid stress facilities for a little bit and here is my reasoning: in the early game besides Dismas and Reynauld it is recommended to let go of heroes that get too much stress. If you really like a hero or a trait on a hero feel free to sit on them. I would go for the skills building (1st upgrade) since this is where you can increase your accuracy and healing abilities. After one level in that, feel free to upgrade a stress facility that benefits your party more. If large a number of individuals can only use the Abbey upgrade those first and then the bar. Reducing the cost of the sanitarian for quirks and diseases can also be more beneficial than early stress facility. Certain diseases and traits can become too crippling in my opinion. If you want more information, please feel free ask. This post go rather lengthy already. Thank you so much for your time!
Thanks man! i didnt put the crimson court dlc, some forums didnt recommend it for beginners, but i put everything else, new chars and the color of madness.
@@D3coify I have not done the crimson court dlc myself, as I will probably purchase that around the holidays. The game itself is very difficult to start on and adding a whole dlc would be difficult.
I feel like the logic behind the battle vs. scouting missions is a bit oversimplified. It’s very possible that a battle room could be at the end of a branching off pathway, sometimes forcing you to explore every room even if not all the rooms are battlerooms.
That is true that battle rooms can you take you from one side to the other easily. I have done some "research" not too long ago about which rooms are the best. It would appear short battle rooms are the quickest but most useful are medium explore. Thank you for commenting!
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Thank you!
really wanna get this game but i've never played roguelikes before specially one such as hard as this. I'm not one afraid of a challenge but this game in particular is daunting to me.
It's a hard game due to lack of knowledge. So if you get stuck you could look stuff up thankfully. But I do understand your hesitation.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming i probably will get it if it goes on sale, try it, see how it feels .
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I got it! it went on sale yesterday for 75%!
Strange, you say upgrade Stage Coach first, but no one else I've watched says that. In fact, they say don't waste the resources on the stage because once you fill your roster you won't need those upgrades and it's a waste.
I would have to watch the video again but getting to 4 heroes per week is crucial for the beginning of the game. Expanding roster size is crucial for diversity and a larger roster size will slow down hero resolve level, meaning you aren't closing out your easy dungeons as fast. The hero level is irrelevant for a while, also I should say to upgrade first, doesn't mean until completion necessarily. Thank you for sharing!
I, the lucky bastard, burn books for fun and get rewarded with virtuous heroes on my previously 0 stress healer that now has 30 stress :D.
Haha very nice!
Last fight, turn off the lights :O didnt know this one, after 4 years of playing XD
Haha yeah I know.
Purchasing the investment bank asap and then trying to get to 200k gold will get you 10k gold every week for free. That is my early game objective, as it assures I will not run out of money, and possibly get a proffit. Also, don't upgrade all of your heroes on the roster at the same time, just upgrade the ones you are bringing on the next mission as they are the most immediately important ones.
The bank is a great district but I try to keep dlc out since not all individuals have it.
I got a god level amount of quirks for Dismas where i got natural eye and swing with warrior of light he’s basically my best character even better then my two slugger Lepers
This was near the early game but i am still trying too grind out some Hippocratic Vestal but i did get one for Reynald so hey multi purpose Reynald is nice
The rng on positive quirks can be pretty annoying to say the least. Such as waiting for that warrior of light on a damage dealer, but once you do, beautiful!
Question I'm a new player here. I noticed that the "dungeons" level scale higher with harder enemies after grinding them for gold and items.
How do I tackle these increasingly difficult dungeons with level 0 heroes?
Dungeon difficulties should scale in proportion to your resolve levels. Veteran dungeons will start appearing but in smaller numbers if you mostly keep level 0s and 1s. Once you reliably start to get 2s and 3s, the veteran dungeons will begin to become the majority while champion and apprentice will be in the minority.
Therefore my advice is, do not go into veteran dungeons even if they are there until you are ready.
What's a good party composition?
That's a pretty loaded question so I'll say 2 things. If you have time, I have videos of live playthroughs and critiquing party compositions in my playlists. Second, a safe bet is to have a strong healer (vestal or occultist), good stress healer with medium damage (jester or houndmaster), then two DPS with one of those being able to hit the 4th row preferably (hellion or highwayman), the other one can be for the front two rows of more of tank. I hope this helps!
How do you progress if you totally run out of heroes?
For example you dismissed all of heroes in your list and there is zero available heroes in the wagon?
That's a great question. Ill start a new game tonight and comeback to you with that. I have a feeling you'll either not be able to dismiss all heroes or you'll automatically fail the dungeon and then a new week begins thus getting more people
You cant. So long as you have the stagecoach you WILL get heroes
@@lordvucic5148
Yeah I tried the game will force you to have at least 1 hero available.
You cannot dismiss the last hero you have.
Oh also, for any newbies out there who are having trouble with Leper, find a way to increase his accuracy, oh and also if you are having trouble in general then use this DISGUSTING BUILD: 1 Vestal/ Occultist, Highwayman who spams grapeshot, Highwayman who also spams grapeshot, LEPER WHO GETS CRITS FOR DAYZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (put a good crit trinket and an acc trinket on Leper while the healer can mark for higher dmg for the highwayman's pistol shot, if it's an Occultist that is)
Ever been fucked so hard both Reynaldo and Dismas die in the intro? I have. Literally every bit was a critical and added bleed. Just a normal run with about 75 light. Turned it off for about 4 months after that.
I haven't... I can't believe you gave the game another try in all honesty. If that would have happened to me I'd be done haha.
Ive put around 20 hours in this game and I just found out you can use consumables to interact with curios... I only used keys for chests...
Hey it happens. It took me a while as well.
chillstep
how exactly do i extinguish the torch?
Which platform are you playing on? If you are on the computer you can cover over the torch and it'll give all the torch related options.
Shift+Control+click on pc
I'm playing on the Vita and I found if you press L having nothing selected you'll then be able to press Circle to douse the torch.
expecially
Someone did find that already, but thank you for listening closely. Sometimes those small errors get past :(
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Being honest, i don't think the games mechanics, as in the numbers you see on screen, like your dodge chance, the enemies dodge chance etc are real, because the chances on you having a 98% chance to hit, yet the same enemy dodges you 4 times in a row. It's just not real so don't listen to much to the numbers you see also. The chances of 4 dodges in a row on a 98% crit is up in the millions of percent to 1.
It does feel like the game is not always showing you the most accurate numbers, but without further evidence we cannot say yes or no to it. For the most part, some accuracy trinkets and battle ballads should solve that issue if you are struggling on that end.
Just added the 666 like on a video about the tortures and evil of Darkest Dungeon ahahaha.
Haha wp sir!
but the thing is i cant afford to lose heroes because im playing on bloodmoon difficulty
Is this your first time through? If so, that is quite the hard start. If it is not your first time through, I do have a video for Stygian gameplay.
There is no X in especially
Thank you. Someone pointed that already but sadly I cannot change it now. Hoped you enjoyed though
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Good video overall tho :)
Thank you!
I wish I didn't know that kill the light trick. It feels like an exploit and now I can't un-know it.
I am sorry it feels like an exploit. If you want, just turn off the torch for the last battle and it will accomplish the same thing but make it harder.
Oh Jesus I forgot how slow the walking and everything was in this game brother you need some mods
I do much later in life but in the early videos I do not. I agree though, walking mod was a life saver.
Wait theres a challenge to keep reynauld alive the whole game like bro he died on the first mission i did lol
Haha there is if you want those kind of things.
What the hell was Seguier? At 2:32?
To avoid spoilers, things can change visually as you progress. He is not a different class or anything but as you progress things will flash different images.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Ty for the quick response!
How acurate this game potrait crusaders as greedy thieves who like to plunder
Haha yeah the designers have a lot of history baked into the game. It's pretty cool.
I’m likely falling for a /whoosh but that’s only in the case of Reynauld.
I guess I can no longer kill the lights by touching the torch anymore xD. Tried, not working
That is a shame. You can't decrease the torch at all?
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I tried clicking on it as shown in the video, at the end of the last fight, somehow the lights are still there. Granted, I was in week 2 during that time, could be why xD. Great tips tho, thank you for that
Title says "6 tips , yet the description says "8" :thinking:
Ill Fated Chap
There is another video I made with 8 tips, but this one only has 6. I have changed the description to clarify the situation, please check out my other video with the 8 if you enjoyed this one. Thank you for commenting and your time!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I appreciate the wholesomeness
How do you only have 571 subs
I hit 400 not too long ago and now I am looking at near 600 so it's going well! But more is always better.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming do you have a patreon?
I'm thinking of opening a subscribe Starr soon. Once I hit a thousand subscribers and I know I'm willing to commit to do this long term I was going to open it.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming okay I was gonna go become a patron if you did XD I just got darkest dungeon and your guides are the reason I'm still wanting to play, even though its driving me insane when im not sure how to do everything
especially has no x
Thank you for listening carefully and the feedback.
I like your video because you don't talk a lot of shit
Thank you! I tried to reduce it to what I think new people need. I'm glad it worked well for you.
turn them out :[
Helps a lot in the first couple of weeks.
As a 600 hours darkest dungeon veteran I have 2 things to add:
1. This game isn't RNG at all
2. If an item literally says "Put torch here to kill yourself", walk past it and do not, i repeat, do NOT put a torch in here and whine how RNG unfairly killed you.
The topic of this game, both in gameplay and lore is "Know your limit", only go as far as your team can. Do not take dice rolls that will only end badly and walk away if the risk is to great. You make progress if your guys survive and you come back with more gold than you spend going in. "Finishing a quest" is only, ONLY, an extra if the mission is going well.
If one (ONE) of you guys hits deaths door (not even dying), then you failed 4 battles ago. Because you ignored/overlooked like 20 red flags that the tables are turning and you should cut your losses (or winnings)
just for your information: I disliked after 30s for 2 major flaws.
1. The game is not RNG
2. My first deaths were on the end boss. It is NOT normal to lose heros. People are only going to die if you suck. They shouldn't get anywhere near dying. You failed at understanding the game mechanics and the story of this game
@@TheTSense A lot to unpack here. First off, thank you for your feedback and sorry you disliked the video. I would argue you probably are the exception or played it super safe the whole time which is why you did not lose anybody until the end boss. Most people at least get tripped up with some of the bosses first time through, but congratulations.
Regarding the game as not rng, is a slight overstatement, since almost every mechanic functions on some form of rng. Now, that does not mean there are not ways to reduce it, or use it in your favor. I would agree people should not use rng as the primary factor as why they are not progressing. I put up that small disclaimer because people are going to have differences experience than what I show and say. It is possible people just get critically stroke a lot, and have to constantly back out with low loot and heirlooms. Unlikely, but possible.
Once again, thank you for you feedback and have a great day!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming To be honest I didn't expect this reaction in a youtube comment section.
But what you are describing just ties back into the games story - so if you finished the game you should be aware.
The Great Evil was unearthed because the red flags went ignored, because someone keeped pushing when he should have turned back.
The Player gets to the end because he resistend the temptation, and in the final hallway you are taunted with this idea of not valuing your heros lifes.
You on the other hand seem to have gotten there by trial and error, just throwing yourself at the game over and over until one day you get to the end - and you made a CZcams Video telling new players to make the same mistake because "that's just how the game is played"
(I mean come on, there is gameplay of 2 Lepers in this video)
You see why I reacted so harsh? Like a craftsmans telling the new and young workers that it is perfetly normal to lose 4 fingers in 1 year of work, when in reality you shouldn't lose one in 30.
@@TheTSense I do understand the story, and I did not say the story does not have any parallels in morals/warnings you have been stating (at the time I did not think that was useful state, since the player will find this out). Also, I think the only harsh things you said were the game is not rng and I do not understand the mechanics. The game is filled with RNG, but it is not the reason why you will fail (I think we both agree on that...).
Second, I did not look up anything my first time through which helped and hurt how I saw the game. If you look things up, or go in for a fight or two and then back out, it does make the game easier. I will say, not finishing missions in the early game is detrimental since you miss out on loot, heirlooms, gain additional stress, and have a higher negative quirk chance on a back out. These are costly in terms of gold and time, thus my tip, it is okay to let go of these heroes. An 80 stress and 4 negative quirk early game hero is not worth keeping in my opinion. This may be the reason why we disagree. I do not want to put words into your mouth, but it would appear you have a zero death/dismiss mindset while I say it is okay in the beginning (in the beginning not late game, in the beginning).
Finally, the Leper, trust me, I understand the weaknesses to a Leper. He is just a personal like of mine, but his accuracy is bad and so is his row versatility. So you can criticize that and I agree the hero is rough.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming "but it would appear you have a zero death/dismiss mindset while I say it is okay in the beginning"
You need to dismiss a lot of heros, for all the reasons you named. However losing a hero in battle deals a lot of stress to the other heros in the team and makes it harder to get out of the fight alive.
Run away and get even more stress on the team, try to fight with your team now being one guy short, or get wiped and lose 3 more heros and all the loot.
Since you can remove Heros safely with dismissing them, there is zero reason to take a huge risk to the rest of the team by losing them in battle.
Route A is safe, so you recommend to those who don't know any better to go down Route B and risk everything.
eXpecially
Thank you. I have worked on that since this video.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming No, it's fine, I am just learning English and I know some content creators and streamers say the same word like that. I am puzzled still
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Thank you for the tips. Love the game
>5 hours in first play through
>game is ruined beyond repair
Haha it happens to everyone. It took me forever in my first playthrough to recover from my early game decisions
Well thanks for all the dd content, it helped a lot bro. And there’s not a lot of people making dd videos
Not so much anymore. I think many people are waiting for the second one and thank you for watching!
Game can be run almost sistematically deathless on darkest, the idea that letting people go might be beneficial is hilarious.
I'm getting at the end of stygian deathless and to be fair never really in a pinch unless I did some gross mistake like forgetting supplies or switching moves so I think that the game is easier that it looks, I think that people find it hard due to a mix of:
Bad/absurd compositions;
Poor choice in which heroes can handle which location efficiently;
General poor decision making in battles, the whole thing but mostly bad prioritizing
Never remove very bad quirks early
Due to bad/mediocre average runs, no money since it's all spent on stress healing in hamlet
Wrong priorities in building structures
Bad evaluation and aquisition of trinkets
Wrong/scarce supplies
Poor evaluation of the difficulty of a run, ie you think you're fine doing a long exp. with not powered-up heroes
Even more stuff I don't remember on top of my head
I do admit the game needs to be known before it can be played well, no way in hell game can be done efficiently on a blind run but on the normal difficulty it shouldn't be considered an extremely difficult game, it's fairer than it looks.
I agree once you play through the game once most deaths should be avoided since you have knowledge of all assets. The only time I lose people now is when I am impatient and refuse to back out of dungeon I know is going to go south.
Regarding the losing people can be beneficial part, I should have been more careful with my words. Obviously losing someone mid run is usually a run ending, but I should have explained that it is not the end of the world. Some people I talk to are really scared of losing a hero or dismissing people. In the early game most people are getting dismissed because of their bad quirks and potentially high stress they will take. So, I slipped in a way by saying if a hero dies it is no big deal, because they would have most likely been dismissed. Obviously, that is not true all the time, and deaths should be avoided once you start saving the people you want. Thank you for your comment!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Thank you for replying too.
I feel like this preconceived notion that this game is "super hardcore" should be dismissed; I know it sounds really entitled but people should learn the game better before dissing it as "too RNG reliant" when I'm sure the vast majority that feel this way have done most if not all of the wrong things I stated above.
Also yeah, it was a little of a poor choice of words the way you put it, I wouldn't say a hero death is run ending either but deffo wouldn't encourage it.
I'm getting to champion dungeons on Stygian, I'm at like week 40 and I have already killed 12 bosses, no hero deaths, 2 shamblers killed as well so when people say "ThE gAMe iS unFAiR!11!" it makes me absolutely mad.
@@silverwings9276 I agree about the RNG. When something goes wrong I look back at what I could have done differently rather than purely blame RNG. I do feel cheated by RNG sometimes, but it is not the sole reason or main reason why something went wrong.
Regarding the game as super hardcore, I think people who are used to easy/hand holding games think this, since the game punishes lack of knowledge early and harshly. After a playthrough, the game is relatively easy and you can really begin venturing into more fun compositions and ideas. I try to encourage people to push through it once, since the second time through is much more enjoyable.
@@silverwings9276 I like how you say it's not hard, but then list 9 core elements of the game _(a couple of which lump together multiple aspects that each require practice to do well)_ that make it difficult for new players, and admit there are other things you need to be aware of that you, an experienced player, can't recall. The game is complex and has a steep learning curve, no sense denying that.
@@NocturnalNick I never said the game is easy, I just said it's easier than people believe, since on average people consider this game to be truly hardcore, which I really don't think it is.
Like I said myself, the game needs a certain amount of experience to be run properly, but after that, the game is really manageable, while there are many games where it stays hard even if you're gettin close to the skill ceiling: conversely, once you reach the ceiling here you'll do well every single time since the game is a turn based RPG so in the end you only need knowledge to wreck the game.
I'm at the end of my first Stygian run and it's still deathless, I do complete long champion expeditions with no stress no damage at the end which means that indeed the game is hard yes but far from hardcore or unfair.
Only one advice is useful, it is advice about stagecoach...
Well at least you got one thing out of the video. Thank you for watching
some of these tips are just bad
Well thank you for sharing and refuting which ones are "bad". I listened to the video again and the biggest complaint people have is the let heroes die. I agree it was poor wording but that's the only I don't think will help much.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming personally don’t think number 2 should of been a tip. I would of rather seen a tip on comps for each dungeon because there are some champs that just excel in other dungeons while others struggle. Like for instant hound master in ruins isn’t good because of mostly bleed damages and same with jester because of bleeds. You would rather want to take crusader, leaper, vestal, plague doctor or bounty hunter. Also trinkets would of been a good one because early trinkets like speed stone while it sounds dumb can give you a advantage if you have perks that slow speed early on.
Fair about mentioning certain heroes into certain dungeons. This video was tough to make because of how many angles darkest dungeon takes into consideration. I have made trinket videos in the past because they are crucial to understand and use effectively. Thank you for responding.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming 100% agree with you that it’s insanely hard to make a video helping out people on this because of the amount of angles. I think it’s a good video to help start out some people but it’s for sure tough to make it.