Amanda Lepore, James St James, Michael Musto & John Simone at RuPaul's DragCon NYC 2017
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I really wish someone would bring up Nelson Sullivan. He was so important and I feel he definitely wasn't/isn't appreciated enough. We have some really valuable amazing footage from the club kids in the 80s because of him and he was always there. I'd be interested in seeing what they'd have to say about him.
Rolo Kinz if they weren't a bunch of fake self obsessed bastards, maybe they would have brought him up.
Rupaul has brought him up in other videos. In regards to Nelson being a mentor to Ru. Love Nelson.
They talk about him in the other panel about club life with the boulet’s milk and James
I wish they would make a Mo ie if Nelson Sullivan and how he really was I instrumental in creating this life style as a vlogger
Coz they all where up them selfs and thought they where better then everyone elese Nelson was down to earth normal human
Amanda Lepore is too precious, we must protect her at all costs
Formaldehyde?
she's embalmed already....
Sad
@@zzzboo290 💀
I don’t know much about clothes but my hair looks fierce
damn they need to let amanda speak
Rey Benasfre but botox got in the way
she rarely has much 2 say
They were helping her
yeah i think they were trying to help her speak and let the answers/questions etc flow more organically. she's more about just enjoying herself and isn't very vocal
Yes
LITERALLY ICONIC
Amanda lepore literally gets paid to be glamorous and party. They all did, that’s incredible.
Bs. Nelson sullivan has done the best recording of them! As always, no credit given.
It's so sad, he documented some of their most iconic moments...I wish someone would produce a movie on him even if it's indie.
Exactly.
Why the fuck would they have to mention him though? They were giving just brief parts of their own lives not about Sullivan like shit. Sullivan only captured what was going on but the life of most of the Club kids was revolving around Michael Alig and the people on this panel. Sullivan really didn't do anything except capture those moments.
@@rogerarteaga2665 "Sullivan really didn't do anything except capture those moments." -Amazing!
@@wiseguy9202 Yes...the moments that were a couple of years and that's it. Not all of their complete careers.
I've never seen Amanda doing anything not iconic
Amanda's the most expensive trans woman on earth. That's all.
God Amanda Lepore is so beautiful. She's is like no other woman.
why even follow the wow network if ur gunna be transphobic
blaine gordon
You're not kidding!
blaine gordon maybe because she is not like any other woman.
Women don't usually start off as men at birth.
Amanda is legendary and revolutionary.
@@nancyderyl1 Can I just type something that will blow your mind?
No child is born a "man"....
Nancy Long Amanda was never a man. She has always been a woman in her soul.
Next year.... Better fucking mics. Holy fuck
Todd Lamming LOL
AMANDA FUCKING LEPORE
It would be so great if Nelson and Christina were both still living so they could've been on a DC panel.
He wouldn't have been on the panel, they always forget to mention the dude.
amanda is literally the best, most amazing and precious person EVER!! we will never be able to repay her for all the things she has done to society
This is the most iconic panel at DragCon for sure. At least 2 of the 4 are even more iconic than RuPaul himself.
3
Jessica ZED OMG I need reel like the new kid, where' s das Google, who is the guy left of James!?
I was the guy who went out every night and photographed these icons for many years, many years ago.....see my RuPaul exhibition on my home page:
johnsimonephotography.com/
John Simone you were one of the icons I was referring too. I forgot to include James St. James.
thank you.....and for those wanting to see Alig.....see him in one third of my 95 photos that are featured in the netflix hit Glory Daze: the Life and Times of Michael Alig:
johnsimonephotography.com/glorydaze.html
this is the first time of ever heard amanda talk and its life changing
right??! i've always thought of amanda as this silent enigmatic glamourpuss
SHE IS! This is why it's stupid! They took away from her brand!
are we not going to talk about Nelson again...
My photos of Nelson Sullivan will be included in an exhibit on his work and life that will be shown in New York and LA in 2018.
Like I keep saying watch the other club kid panel and they talk about him
@@johnsimone2770 how did it go? That sounds Awesome!
He should be mentioned just like Rupaul and Lahoma or even michael alig are mentioned every single time
They mention Nelson on other panels and also in podcasts. I'm actually glad they brought up Divine here though, because he really was the start of it all here in the US.
amanda the most expensive trans woman on earth
Omg James St James and Michael Alig Laugh the same.
Clinton Underwood hey Clinton lol crazy to find your comment here 😂🤣
Also looking for this and found it!!!!!!!!! LOL
I feel like musto just really is jealous of Michael Alig. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is but he always brings him up and always has some negative comments like oh he's too much or he did this or that and its like he has resentment for him.
Amanda so deserves so much more recognition in my opinion. She is such a Doll and so beautiful. Like a living Barbie Doll
I think he has described being soooo horrified by the crime because it was close to home,in his world and still does not want to be associated to Michael a..It changed him for life ,he still talks to it in other settings,never reminiscing in fun.people describe Michael a. Approaching him after being released and Michael m. Physically recoiling .he gets "triggered" if you will.
I get the same vibe from Misto! He’s jealous of him but yet can’t stay away! Ligger!!
They both are.
Party Monster spiked my interest in the club kids, leading me to drag. I found drag because of yall and it has honestly changed my life. I want to be a club kid so bad.
Honey, It's Jo do it girl
same !!!
I read this as ‘I wanna be a druggy so bad’
I love the sort of sandwich of very serious people with James and Amanda in the middle.
melindamulberry Michael Musto isn’t super serious his jokes just come off as him being an ass at times
I'm not really serious, but I held back....trust me....ya wanna see the real John Simone?
RuPaul & Alig fans will both get off on this....the morning of the June 2015 festival premiere of Netflix hit movie, Ramon Fernandez's Glory Daze: The Life & Times of Michael Alig......yours truly was the first guest on Alig's first live audience taping of the Pee-ew! podcast..with co-host Ernie Glam....and it was entitled: Special Deliver by RuPaul and Photographer John Simone....it really is funny, and read the comments....."I would kill myself if I was stuck in an elevator with John Simone."
Note to Alig haters, you will love this even more, because I tell Alig to fuck off numerous times and give him the finger too....prepare yourself for the pee jokes:
czcams.com/video/wAzDT7OCnzE/video.html
John Simone Amanda has done so many interviews, idk why her doing a panel now takes her away from brand.
I would eat that sandwich!
With all the plastic surgery Amanda has done she's been smart and lucky to still looking glamorous and beautiful. Because many people who have done as much surgery as her end up looking like a mess.
I semi agree. She looks glamorously scary if that makes sense.🙈
Without glasses from 100 feet away as long as he doesn't speak, meh maybe.
She's always looked very fake, on purpose. I remember seeing her in nyc club-life magazines and flyers in the 80s/90s, and she's always been very plastic. She just looks the same.
I think it's intentional- she WANTS to look fake.
All of them are my biological mothers
I partied with these club kids back in the day. Fun and superficial. I was one of the many muscle boys who went to dance and be admired. Club drugs and uplifting music till dawn.
me too.. Kenny Kenny let me skip the line n the cover a few nights a week. I never paid to get high. was a good time for sure.
Amanda lapore truly is sweet in person
Iconic tbh! Legends only!!!
I hope Nelson Sullivan gets recognition at some point for all he did and how important he will always be!!!
Squad goals
Nelson introduced me to all these creatures. Why not mentioned and no credit given??????
The only reason why i clicked on this video was hoping they would've brought up Nelson Sullivan into the conversation
best damn panel so far. man, theyre such pros
Nelson Sullivan was videoing RuPaul before she even came to New York.
wow this panel is ICONIC
AMAZINGGGGGGGGG LEGENDSS
Great panel, really wished lahoma van zandt would have joined!!!
Lahoma hasn't done drag in over 20 years.
I feel like I'm watching Donahue, Geraldo, or Joan Rivers' Show!!!! FAB!
Robert Poston without all the homophobia and transphobia
What the... was John Simone stone cold sober from 87-97... what a clear memory he has
95% of the drink tickets I received, went to cranberry juice at all the NY clubs I covered.
Is it me but is there a strange divide between LA/NY drag in the early 90s against SF drag? I know communication wasn't readily available back then but it even seems LA drag back then was and still is separated from SF drag. What is it about San Francisco drag and it's micro culture that seems so distant and different from any of the other main city drag? I've just been reading between the lines, it seems like every one of the main cities were connected, but SF was disconnected, even though SF was the mecca of gay culture back in the day
GymTanTinderGrindr ProfilePic I KNOW! even now, there’s only been one sf queen on drag race even though there is a lot of amazing creative sf queens.
Back then it really was only about San Fran and New York
You are so right. I was just talking about that this week.
Im in Dublin, Ireland right now. Im on page 56 of Disco bloodbath. Its wild!!! I love James's writing style. I can hear his voice as I read. Love it so far.
Look children. There you have the original bald queen... And the highly mother herself miss Amanda Lepore who was running the streets before rupaul even knew he was gay
I wish I looked like Amanda
LOUIS XIV I'm down
Gabrielle Magana why?
I admit that she's iconic and looks great on her age but seriously I wouldn't want to look like her..
Gabrielle Magana Amanda is iconic, but she looked so much better back in the late 80s and early 90s-she was just so beautiful.
Oh, same!! Amanda is so graceful and beautiful! I usually don't find augmented looks this appealing. I think it's her demeanor. That's what makes her stunning to me. 💗💗💗
I want to go to drag con in NYC next year but I'm scared of waiting in 4 hour lines and only meeting like 1 person lol
lol that's totally how it was!! you cant do everything you plan on doing
I went to NY dragcon and I met 4 people on Saturday and the longest line I waited in was ~2 hours towards the end of the day. Like any big con, you just have to prioritize and plan ahead and get there early. :)
I knew who I wanted to see and when their meet and greet times were, so I planned around that. I also came from out of state and had to drive super early to make the train so I really had a super tight plan for the whole day.
cosmia my drag con this year I imagine will be very different it was blamed hastily last time
Hear hear for Nelson..no one would know yr struggles and bizarre fame within yr own group..no one without Nelsons video...alot of u made fun of him
Ru made slight lite of Nelson as well...shame on u ru
Why does everyone hate on Musto? He’s really a good guy and a fabulous writer!
Let Amanda speak 🙌🙌🙌
I feel like James and Michael were in a lot of ways a alike. They even sound similar/have a lot of the same mannerisms.
She could haunt a house!
John Simone is nothing compared to what Nelson Sullivan was.
I agree with you 100 percent but he is good and iconic in his style
@@kitterglitter7777 .... he has a very annoying voice though.
What the hell does that even mean? They're both in different categories. It's like saying Leo dicaprio is nothing compared to Britney Spears.
true dat
Amanda ❤
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I JUST REALIZED AMANDA IS TRANS! I FEEL SO FUCKING STUPID FOR NEVER REALIZING THAT
Antonio Virgo I didn’t realize that until I read her book lmao
I never knew but was always curious. This is also the first time I’ve ever heard her speak.
Antonio Virgo learn your HERstory
Im 15 and from the Caribbean... Its all new to me
SHE IS GREAT! And that just shows how much her work has became a part of pop culture. Her being trans became irrelevant! Legendary performance and body image artist!
well..I've never felt like a woman when I do drag, nor am I living any kind of female fantasy when I do drag - for me it's all about the costuming and creativity. But there is no right and wrong in drag/drag expressionism or drag identity and I'm sure if you ask 20 queens why they do drag, you will have 20 different answers.
that's cuz you do booger brag.
OMG Diane Brill, that would have been fabulous! I idolised her back in the day!
wow. kinda sad that they all seem to be so married to the past. Musto just sounds so pathetic talking about people going back to Red Lobster... lol. Like he ever did anything important with his life. James is the only one who seems to have evolved and has interesting things to say.
No one..no one mentions Sullivan..Nelson..he was first making u guys..famous..look famous..always with his camera..U should have a statue 4 him..u r all very self centered...really
PARTY MONSTER!!
What happened to Liz Lizard the photographer as far as documenting the club kids is concerned??
Exactly.
How small of Michael Musto to ask the panel to comment on outrageous things they saw but ask that they leave Michael Alig out. Problem is, you cannot discuss New York life nightlife in that period and, by extension, the club kids, without talking about Michael Alig's contributions.
theres a good reason why they didn't bring that piece of shit up cause it just makes everyone feel awkward
AJ PharmD I just took what he said at face value. Everything Michael Alig did was crazy (as he said) and is likely more documented - perhaps he was just trying to get some stories out of them that didn't involve Michael.
who cares what this piece of shit contributed, he murdered and cut up somebodys son and threw him in a river, I think maybe out of respect to the family is the reason.it is bad enough he is out of prison walking around free.
well said.
It doesn't matter. Once you become a murderer and brag about it and have no justifiable reason to commit said murder, whatever contributions you've put into the club kid era, is forever tainted. I do think he feels guilty and now that he got himself together he realizes how much of a pos he was..but it's almost too little too late. Are people saying how good OJ was in football or in movies? No..ppl are saying fuck him he's a murderer and hope he rots in hell. Or Chris Benoit..he murdered his wife, son, then himself..ppl are not saying his name and saying how great a wrestler he was. No..they remember that he was a murderer and took innocent lives. Everyone knew Michael did outrageous things so I'm pretty sure he meant to just bring up someone that ppl who dk club kids wouldn't know who they were. But also fuck him..I'm more interested in James St James quite honestly.
Who invited Musto?
mssta he was pop star wannabe! He failed miserably and turned to airing his successful friends out of spite and jealousy.
He was always jealous of Michael Alig 's quick rise to fame while he struggled so hard to be relevant and famous.
His envy is so transparent!! 😝💩🙊
Favs❤️ I've been a huge fan of James st James for YEARS!! Like before I even watched rupaul's drag race or got interested in drag. I love him so much
THIS. WAS. EVERYTHING I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED!
I recently saw Michael Musto buying his cosmetics at the Dollar Tree. No kidding!
thrift qween
Daniel Pena I totally believe that! LOL He’s never been glamorous!
Hes always been a cheap bitch.
Duh, hes Jewish
The foundation is everything. I mix it with Dior air flash it’s everything
CLUB KIDZZZXX
AMANDA MADAFAKIN LEPORE HONEEEEEYYYYYYY
lol. God do I feel old now! its great to see them :)
jennifer bennetts So do I. I remember the club kid days.
From interviews I've heard and read, Michael Musto was very critical of the Club Kids and very negative about them so its interesting to see him in this panel...
Oh really because EVERY fucking talk show they were on, there was Michael Musto. He coattailed Michael Alig like a tick.
He also partied with them plenty as well
Man, I love Amanda Lepore
Wish Nelson Sullivan was alive and there.
What's going on between Musto and James st. James. Musto's tone seems a little pointed at times and he kinda cuts everyone off and talks over them .
Welcome to gay life
I no lie thought the thumbnail showcased the game of thrones cast at comic con
9:49 Leigh Bowery was Australian, not British! He came to London for the same reason the American club kids came to New York. Because he could be himself there. British clubs were a bit dire before acid house and rave. They used to shut at 2am! Now any decent club will shut at 6. (Not 4 like New York!!) It was a lot better in the 1990s and I assume it's still better now ~ if you can actually find a nightclub to go to in London. All the best venues seem to have closed
Fact up on London. Ever heard of the Blitz Club? Boy George, Marilyn etc were the original club kids
It's really surreal to watch a panel where they reminisce about their underaged sexual encounters and take questions from kids in the front row. Aside from feeling awkward about the kids it was really informative
"They tap into something inside them"...Hmmm. Speaks volumes.
You don't have to be gay to appreciate this. Idk why. 😊
Meeting James was so great, what a sweet welcoming guy!
Amanda: breathes*
James: HEHEHE-
Leigh Bowery was Australian not British......yes he lived in Britain but he was Australian...
Legends Only.
Is there more ? I adore Amanda Lepore shes so talented wish we could have longer interview of just her she is Awesome and beautiful 😍
there was maybe 30 minutes more, but a lot of blathering by all of us....thank you to the editors!
These teenage girls and baby gays in the audience don't even understand who is sitting in front of them. These are legends of the community. I hope a lot of questions, applause and laughs were cut from this video because it is far too quiet in there. I wouldn't have been able to shut up with the questions and adulation I have for them all.
My god the narcissism is strong. I've never understood idolizing ones' self.
It is odd
Gosh I remember seeing Michael on Geraldo Rivera with Michael Alig when club kids first came out!!!! He has not changed a bit, same glasses, same hair etc. same look....... Wow......
He changed
Omg I didn't think Amamda spoke...
Ok Amanda is so fucking cute
John Simone is so hot and handsome
John Simones web-site is AMAZING.
this is so good. I wish I could have gone to ny dragcon and experienced this
Michael has changed. He’s so boring and square and uptight. Everyone else you can tell is cool. Michael is boring. Plus the fact he refuses to talk about Michael Alig is so lame. He may be horrible but people wanna hear about it.
Alig is a convicted murderer and i think he's slowly distancing himself from the club kid scene due to the fantasy everyone has of it being so glamorous but forgetting how much toxicity it had caused
we love legends!!!
Wonderful panel! I love James giggle.
Who else is here for Amanda?
I love Michael, he was such an attractive young man in Nelson Sullivans tapes.
Michael is literally a murderer. What’s it with generation z and their romancing of mental debauchery and murder?
Mandi Musto never murdered anyone. And he was a little attractive in those tapes
yuck.
@Mandi: Uh...Michael Musto is in this video, not Alig.
James and John did a big ole bump before hitting the stage...
Amanda is the Botox queen.
They talk about how Club Kidz influenced average culture, which was true. However, the Blitz Kidz and New Romantics of the late 70's early 80's influenced Club Kidz. Their look and culture seemed strikingly similar to Boy George and the Blitz Kidz from Britain almost 10 years earlier.
Pete Burns influenced Boy George. He wasn't part of any of the British movements but he seemed to influence fashion and culture at that time nonetheless.
@@thedarthflagger Pete Burns was in Liverpool and worked in a record store called Probe when George was a major figure in the London club scene in the late 70s
@@nikkisinclaire4185 i know that
Ha! Little Desmond asked a question.
I'm happy
Why do they feel the need to scream into their microphones?? Stopped the video because of the horrific mic quality.
damn that thing is scary!!! looks like roddy doll!!!
Panel of icons
Amanda, baby, you played it so wrong.... I get that she is not as popular as she was years ago BUT SHE WILL NEVER BE UNNOTICED! SHE IS AN ICON right alongside Marylin, Naomi, Madonna, Cher and standing next to these journalists and party goers... I mean yes, they are the same "team", but she should've just layed on the table glamorously and posed posed posed the entire time. There are levels of performance here! Her persona is intentionally a dumb blonde, so it all just looks strained when asked serious questions behind a desk. NEXT TIME POSE YOUR ASS OF AND SHOW THEM HOW MUCH OF A LEGEND YOU ARE!
At the risk of sounding conservative (a terrible risk), does anybody else cringe everytime they're reminded that Desmond is Amazing is in the front row? Even with how family-friendly DragCon has had to become because Drag Race's main fanbase is so young, there's a time and place for children. It's not easy for a lot of the panel discussions to avoid adult topics/language and it can't be comfortable for the speakers that Desmond's mother didn't explain to her child that one question is polite to ensure others get to have the opportunity. I'm all for kids enjoying drag as an art form, but there really does need to be some guidelines communicated and some events age-restrictive.
Omg that kid can you make fabulous I doed
I can definitely see that this kid was just told to raise his hand by his parent to make him famous...