Conlanging Case Study: Part 29 - Lots of New Verbs

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  • @TheZetaKai
    @TheZetaKai Před rokem +44

    I feel that suppletion is an underutilized aspect of linguistic evolution in many conlangs, including my own. Semantic drift, especially bleaching, is incredibly common in natlangs, but it doesn't manifest as often in fictional languages. In many conlangs, even very good ones, I see words often evolve forms, but not their overall meanings, keeping the same translations and connotations over eons, which is somewhat unrealistic.

  • @UnshavenStatue
    @UnshavenStatue Před rokem +18

    "I'm hungry for X" is wildly, wildly common in American english. "I'm hungry for mexican" or "im hungry for pizza" or, as which was focused on by an entire episode of Rick and Morty, "hungry for apples?". TBH, even despite the known gaps between americanoid englishes and brittanic englishes, im quite surprised to hear that this construction is foreign to your dialect.

    • @maizen1335
      @maizen1335 Před rokem +9

      We even use it for non-foods, like saying someone is hungry for power

  • @moonythespoonie9551
    @moonythespoonie9551 Před rokem +6

    "Hungry for (something specific)" is super-common in my dialect (Midwestern US).
    And for broadening hunger to general desire, another thing I've noticed that might be common or might be just me, I don't know - for more abstract, mental desires, I'd phrase them as hunger ("power-hungry", "starved for affection"), but for instinctive, biological desires (breath, sleep, libido) I actually lean more towards phrasing them as thirst ("drinking in fresh air" after surfacing from water or getting away from smoke, "thirsty" as slang for "attracted"). Does anyone else make that kind of semantic split, or is that just me?

  • @donovantownshend8783
    @donovantownshend8783 Před rokem +9

    14:53 sounds crazy without context

  • @matej_grega
    @matej_grega Před rokem +24

    I can't describe how much I look forward to these.

  • @psygamez7727
    @psygamez7727 Před 4 měsíci +3

    As an American, the I’m hungry for… is used everywhere that it was startling to hear that he’s never heard that before

  • @jackren295
    @jackren295 Před rokem +5

    So Mandarine also uses hunger and thirst to refer to need and desire, sometimes lust, as in 饥渴 (can be used as a noun, adjective, or adverb) and 如饥似渴 (used only as an adverb).

  • @ArturoStojanoff
    @ArturoStojanoff Před rokem +11

    Spanish has the "ir" form in the infinitive, future and conditional, and the imperfect it has the "i-" from "ir", the "va-" form in the present in the indicative and the subjunctive, also the imperative, the "fu-" form is used for the perfect past of the indicative and the imperfect past of the subjunctive, which has too forms, both with this root. I think that's it. French also has forms with "all-" from Latin "ambulare." Catalan and Italian also have forms with "andar," and my variety of Spanish, Rioplatense, also uses this form in the imperative.

  • @ATOM-vv3xu
    @ATOM-vv3xu Před rokem +5

    I would love to see this language having some instances of two grammatical entities that have the same meaning (for important grammatical information), since this can help the understanding of the language a lot

  • @doorhanger9317
    @doorhanger9317 Před rokem +1

    In which bib spends thr first quarter of the ep struggling to reduce house-SG.ACC when the whole point of the weird fossil inverse number noun class gender thing is that inanimate nouns are heavier in the singular

  • @eneskaracar4334
    @eneskaracar4334 Před rokem +9

    Whenever I think of this channel, I get a video notification :D

    • @daandebacker3967
      @daandebacker3967 Před rokem +5

      Then think more of it. The world will be very thankful to you.

  • @yoru900
    @yoru900 Před rokem +1

    I literally got finished rewatching the series yesterday and I'm blessed with a new episode, what perfect timing

  • @Kaza0kun
    @Kaza0kun Před rokem +3

    Finally! Too bad I don't have enough time on my lunch break to finish the whole vid!

  • @junespoesy
    @junespoesy Před rokem +2

    Do you think gaming studios need conlangers for their fantasy games?

  • @micv6148
    @micv6148 Před rokem +4

    How do you find all the information about the etymology of verb tenses, case markers, etc? I'm a fan of the proto-lang method but I don't know what word options might get grammaticalised or how. Is there some sources you can recommend?

  • @piotrwegrzyniak5798
    @piotrwegrzyniak5798 Před rokem +2

    About the singular form, if for inanimate it is marked shouldnt that mean it's "less basic", and used only when we want to emphasize the that it is a single instance of an object. Then say a "dialogue "There is a (single) house and and a (single) tree on the hill. / I cannot see the tree" Could be "there-is house-nom-sg and tree-nom-sg hill-loc. / I-cannot-see tree-acc-plural/unmarked". Then a heavy ending wouldnt be a problem, and if you need to specify it's about plural you use a word like many/few or a plural determiner

    • @prezentoappr1171
      @prezentoappr1171 Před rokem

      Maybe saying this in the discord server will incite more comments

    • @prezentoappr1171
      @prezentoappr1171 Před rokem

      Idk about inanimate in your comment but Arabic inanimate\irrational plurals always takes the feminine singular grammatically the singular are all regular and diff, there's also gender polarity inherited from proto-lang the gender takes the singular gender in number words

    • @piotrwegrzyniak5798
      @piotrwegrzyniak5798 Před rokem

      @@prezentoappr1171 Makes sense but I'm lazy xD

    • @piotrwegrzyniak5798
      @piotrwegrzyniak5798 Před rokem +1

      @@prezentoappr1171 I think my example was more about whether singular in this language is something obligatory, that every singular noun needs to have or is it just emphatic, or maybe show some other function eg definite nouns must be marked by singularity

  • @Vininn126
    @Vininn126 Před rokem +2

    Lexember?

    • @TheZetaKai
      @TheZetaKai Před rokem +3

      A conlanging tradition during the month of December, during which one makes as many words for a conlang as possible. Vocabulary generation is a common stumbling block for many conlangers, so Lexember exists to prompt people to get over the hurdle and build up their respective lexicons.

    • @Vininn126
      @Vininn126 Před rokem

      @@TheZetaKai Thanks. Is there a link or something somewhere?

    • @TheZetaKai
      @TheZetaKai Před rokem +2

      @@Vininn126 I'm sure that there is some Reddit thread about it for which one could easily search. It's been an annual "event", like NaNoWriMo, since at least 2016, and perhaps longer.

  • @krzychukar676
    @krzychukar676 Před rokem

    21:23 c:

  • @TheDrumstickEmpire
    @TheDrumstickEmpire Před rokem +2

    nice

  • @danthiel8623
    @danthiel8623 Před rokem +13

    Hello there

  • @powdertoyguy
    @powdertoyguy Před rokem

    ^

  • @richardghosting1230
    @richardghosting1230 Před rokem +1

    Omg hello

  • @vigdisin
    @vigdisin Před rokem +2

    ,

  • @Matters-
    @Matters- Před rokem +1

    Omg hello