Vacuum Pressing Changes Everything!. Next Level Woodworking Skills.
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Take your woodworking to the next level with vacuum press veneering. Veneering allows you to get the most out of valuable woods and use plywood and MDF when you need to avoid expansion and contraction. Using a vacuum press will get you more pressure and more even pressure than clamps alone. A vacuum press also allows you get pressure where clamps could never go and work around curved surfaces for creative woodworking. Depending on your budget there are multiple ways to get into vacuum pressing. At the upper end are dedicated vacuum pumps that automatically shut off and on to maintain pressure over long periods of time. The middle ground is a continuous pump as we're using in the video. And the cheapest introduction into vacuum press veneering is using a hand pump. Vacuum bags can be purchased or made. Although you can use regular wood glue, there are special glues used when vacuum forming that prevent bleed through and dry harder than typical PVA glues.
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Supplies used in this video (Provided by Rockler)
Vacuum Bag: bit.ly/3xkuaDO
Vacuum Pump: bit.ly/3tuH4y0
Vacuum Pods: bit.ly/3NHx38R
Vacuum Port Adapter: bit.ly/3NOKYtS
Hand Pump: bit.ly/3tu5esB
Veneer Saw: bit.ly/3MH5N8U
Veneer: bit.ly/3HkTRJa
Veneer Glue: bit.ly/3Hb4ga6
Glue Roller: bit.ly/3aOcvg1
Netting: bit.ly/3mySb5f
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You had me laughing, “okay, I’m just going to put this on the floor where I can step on it in a bit…” been there, do that regularly 🤣
Princess Bride... Only the best movie in existence... Great choice!
3:00 can we take a moment and talk about the fact you’re watching The Princess Bride while in the shop!!! FRIGGIN LEGIT!!!
Hey, another added entry level option in between hand pump and vacuum pump. You can also get those clothing vacuum 'storage' bags and a shop vac or household vacuum. They are not as big, but they are designed for long term storage (they have a good seal), reusable, and perfect for something like this on a smaller scale.
That was my first thought as well. I have a couple of extra large storage bags that don't hold vacuum well and am wondering if a shop vac will be OK running for an hour or so until the glue sets up.
@@johnnywest5445 every bag is different, but typically those storage bags can hold a seal very well. As they are designed for long term storage. You should be able to suck out the air and leave it. Unless of course there’s a small hole
@@montgomery.metalworks I have some smaller Hefty bags that hold the vacuum well, but three Magic Bed brand I bought for comforters lose their vacuum over time. They've been that way since I bought them, but I'll have to test them to see if they'll hold up for an hour or two.
This storage bags definitely hold a vacuum really well. I used a bunch of them for a couple of moves and they will hold a vacuum even in an airplane for 11 hours over the Atlantic. I put a king size memory foam pillow in one for a trip. Held the pillow about the size of a football for 11 hours at 30,000 ft and those were the harbor freight ones
You don't even need the bag, but rather just the valve. You can transplant the valves onto whatever plastic you want. Harbor Freight sells a 4 pack of bags for very cheap, and while the bags themselves don't always hold long term, the valves are perfectly fine.
Best CZcams video I have seen in a long time. Can’t wait for the next part
I might give this a shot now. I also was intimidated by the process, but with plywood costing roughly $100K per sheet now could be the time! Great video dude!
Perfect timing on this video... for me... Thank you! My bags and stuff just arrived from Rockler. I am remaking cabinets for so 1960's Dynaco speakers. I am trying to make them look as original as possible. The veneer originally used was teak. Teak will be used again. I am hoping the TB veneer glue will be ok with this oily wood. I will precondition with acetone to get as much surface oil off the glue surface as possible. Per your recommendation... I am heading to the store to get a slab of melomine this afteroon. I am also very glad to learn about the glue roller you use.... I am placing my order for that and the try right now. Thank you!
Very nice job David. Very nice video can't wait to see part 2 of this. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.
Nice, this will take your wood working to the next level for sure! Looking forward to seeing how the piano turns out! 👍🏼
Very cool process! I already have a vacuum pump for silicone and epoxy casting so this might be something for me to look into in the future. Also excited to see the follow up videos from this like the piano that’s gonna be sick!
I enjoyed this. I cannot wait to see part two with the bended wood! Great video.
Excited to see what you're going to make w/ this stuff!
Good stuff! I enjoyed this video today, thank you.
This was great and I can’t wait to see the next one!
Pretty interesting process indeed, Dave! 😃
Thanks for all the tips!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I feel you on the red oak. It's like either dinner in Grandma's 'new' kitchen in the 80's or dinner at Arby's.
Thumbs up just for the old school tshirt...love seeing that.
Great video. "Don't have it, make it." (Can't believe you still have DW t-shirts.) Mahalo for sharing! 🙂🐒
I’m a beer guy, you lost me at wine pump. Cool vid though 😂
Looking forward to the next videos 👍
0:50 US-ers will really measure with everything BUT the metric system XD
Somehow, following you religiously, I missed this video. Thank you - I went looking today for sources on vacuum pressing, and found this new to me video. How appropriate thanks very much for all you do love your videos love your attitude. The positivity is a breath of fresh air. And bonus! I got to see you without a beard.
Thank you! My next video coming out this weekend is also about vacuum pressing. I think it's a much better video than this one. 🙂
Alright, you convinced me. I've been holding off for years myself. But if Dave can do it…;). Great tip about the veneer glue. Didn’t know that was a thing. In the boat building world, bubble wrap is often used for that bleeder ply. The fruit bag netting looks a little wrangly. Something for you to consider. Thanks Dave.
That red oak is going to look perfect from that angle! 😉
cant wait for more of this!!!
Back before I knew about this, I used a big ziploc vacuum bag to do this. Wasn't great but it worked in a pinch
This is great
Also, excellent choice of movies.
I'm dying to how the super curvy piece is done, that you teased us with!
Just FYI, I have a Roarockit bag as well. I use the hand pump, and it will maintain a vacuum overnight. The pump looks like a nice luxury, but if you don't have one, you don't necessarily have to be watching it constantly
That is good to know! Thanks!
Haha! Love the shirt. I remember when this was the Drunken Woodworker channel.
I’m looking forward to the piano. When you mentioned it on the podcast I was thinking more like the old school electric keyboard not a real piano. That’s a big job!
I was thinking the same and yes sir it is! I’m confident it’ll turn out great. 👍🏼
Wait - imperial Weiner dogs or metric?
How about using an A/C vacuum pump for those of us that do our own mechanical work?
Really cool. Was wondering what the m shaped wood looked like when you talked about it on the podcast. Looks cool 🤙
The back of you shirt should read:
Wooden Drunkworker
Thanks for the vid. Vacuum bagging is in my future.
A few seconds in , love the t-shirt .
Thanks for sharing, this process is really interesting. Made me curious, would it be okay to laminate that mdf with veneer but without using the other two boars you used? Would the mesh mark the veneer layer if you don’t have anything in between them?
I was wondering why you did not know about the mesh and low and be hold you remembers.
The last vac veneering project was with one of my students. 3/4”-18mm Baltic birch ply veneered with some very beautiful and expensive teak veneer. With both leaves slid out it’s about 9’ long. We have an 52”x100” bag. There are much better mesh out there. I’ll see about sending you a pic of the table. His house is all teak.
Great video. How has that Rockler vacuum pump held up?
Another way is to use your shop compressor with a Venturi accessory. Cheap and works fine.
Think you could use this method to glue any two faces together like when laminating two 3/4" plywood boards for a thick table top? That might be easier then fussing with cauls.
I’ll have to give this a shot!
I have a few things that need to be “walnutfy”.
🤛🏽
"I'll put this on the floor so I can step on it in a bit" 😂😂😂
Can you veneer the side of the board for edges? Comments on how this wood be done and does it hold up?
Saw you were sponsored by squarespace, I was going to buy anyway but wanted to use my purchase to support someone. I’ve never watched you (other than the 5 minutes to see if I liked your personality). Good work brother! Keep it up and keep exploring!
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I hope this is the video you were talking about on the pod it sounds stupid interesting!
That is positive if it doesn’t read well as good as I meant it.
I have a Jim Beam branded hand pump (from a marinade box). Something tells me that’s more your style
I would never buy red oak for real furniture. However, I ended up buying some red oak for shop furniture (saw horses, bench bases, jigs, etc.), because it was about the cheapest hardwood I could find. I think it looks great in my shop to be honest. It is also very stable and easy to work with.
I explored this method as a potential option to make home made skateboards…you should try making a skate board.
I like using veneer as well. But I use the 3m peel and stick or concrete adhesive. Easier and less work.
Next day wine? That’s inconceivable!
This is exactly why we didn't have any! Ha!
Walnutify is totally legit with that definition!
What was the purpose of the netting?
Red oak gets a bad rap. I have quarter sawn red oak with tiger stripes in it, and some spalting it's very nice.
Pro tip:
A shop vac is high volume low pressure compared to the lower volume higher pressure of a real pressing vaccum so a shop vac is not adequate for vaccum bag veenering..... HOWEVER........
a shop vac WILL suck all the air out of the bag quickly so that you could then, use a smaller, less expensive vaccum press vacuum or even a hand pump to maintain the vaccum pressure once all the air is out.
You could literally save hundreds of dollars by buying a smaller vaccum pressing pump and a shop vac over a larger more efficient veenering vaccum, and bonus, you get to use the shop vac for other things as well.
Win win.
Where's the W!! I feel like the video was cut short. Can't wait for the next one
I like to also use the netting to cover the corners to further ease the edges to protect the bag. Just sayin'
Did you step in the glue? I bed you did. I would
Being able to make plywood with mismatched veneers probably has a bunch of uses beyond saving money and ridding the world of red oak.
ha! Yes!
Great video David. I'm wondering if you really need to veneer both sides since you're already using plywood, which is made up of several layers of veneer already. Seems a bit of overkill to me, especially with prices as they are these days.
I agree. Makes sense for MDF or particle core
Exactly veneered plywood is only veneered on one side.
No more "Be safe, have fun, stay passionate, and make something"? I was so looking forward to it.
Thanks for the video!
What’s wrong with red oak??
How do you get any work done in your shop with The Princess Bride playing on the TV in there?
One of the all time best!
Long time no see that t-shirt. R U back with the name, hehe
What is leftover wine?
As you can see we don't have any. 😎
I don’t know, why not use contact cement instead of all the expense of all this?
Sorry I don’t follow the use of the netting?
It creates channels for the air to get to the vac pump, otherwise you would get uneven pressure the farther you get from the pump
@@jelcodiekr1408 ok thanks. To equalize the pressure and channel distribution evenly shouldn’t the net be placed out completely over the board not just placed in the bag?
@@cswatson4823 that would probably get it from 95% to 99%, it would be better but you probably wouldnt notice any practical difference
What’s your podcast name is it on Spotify
Pretty sure it's called "Making It", also has Jimmy DiResta and Bob Clagget (I Like to Make Stuff).
Couldn't make out the word you were using. Re the white melamine....Calls, culls???
If you already have a compressor in your shop, could you use its air intake as a makeshift vacuum pump ?
You can get a venturi adapter to create a vacuum source from compressed air but it's incredibly wasteful and LOUD!!
Just get a vacuum pump instead
You secretly want to cover that piano in red oak, don't you?
Haha, red oak is a good choice as well. 👍🏼
Ok so what is the name of your podcast?
Making It.
@@MakeSomething thanks. I’ll check it out
When do we get far enough away from the 80s that red oak becomes cool again? 🙃
2030!
Well nutify is a dad word so walnutify works... Equally as unfortunately.
I’m going to need a little more information on the wiener dog scale. I have a chihuahua dachshund mix, so do I add a taco and subtract a doxie tail?
Yep! You got it!
walnutify
Incredibly sick. Another rabbit hole now openend.
This video sucks😔
This video vacuums