Dark Humor vs "Dark Humor"
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2021
- Many people use "Dark Humor" as an excuse to hide their bigotry. That is not what dark humor is about, and the purpose of this video is to teach the difference between genuine dark humor and bigotry.
This is an old conversation from... I think early October 2020. Discord servers were plagued with edgy people posting memes that were supposed to be "dark humor" but were closer to being bullying than anything else. I got tired of it.
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I know... this video is long. I wish it weren't. I don't want to make a habit on making videos this long, but it is very important for my channel, especially because the NEXT video will feature a lot of dark humor and I need to be sure that the audience understands our humor beforehand. (Dw, that video will be shorter)
I'm also aware that this conversation is a lot more "heated" than the other ones. I think I display more arrogance here than in other videos. It can be tough to stay calm against three, and I wasn't exactly in a good mood that day. Apologies.
is okay
*more content to enjoy for me*
I want long videos
I dig these videos, they're so interesting
1. long video good
2. It's easy to look arrogant when your left testicle has more intelligence than your opponents in the argument.
You know things are bad when a Brit and a Frenchman are actually agreeing
Really though.
Russia: "Are we getting the band back together?"
The British and French are a good team, but they don't get along well.
@@doodlesyoru2108 Supertiminho dos britânico com francês! (Super team made of the french aaaand the british!)
I'm an American and we get along great with everyone except Russia Iraq North Korea and idk anymore governments were nice folk despite our stereotypes after our friends at France gave us the Statue of Liberty as a gift France helped us in our war against Britain in our early days and we helped Britain and France in World War II they're our friends and personally I'm quite thankful for that my sister visited Europe actually but I never did unfortunately but from what I heard she had a great time we Americans barely get along with Russia government especially here in 2022 when they invaded Ukraine those guys apparently will stop at nothing for conquest another reason why I despise Communism.
I love how he kept saying "gen z" as an insult as if spamming racial slurs in a discord server isn't the most 13 year old shit he could've done.
As a 13 year old, incorrect. my memes are cringe, but not bigoted!
@@totallynotaferret as someone who used to be a 13 year old, avoid the "edgy" phase if you can. It's not fun looking back at those days lol
@@suicidalloafofbread2009 Sometimes you need to learn from your own mistakes.
@@alexf225 This is very true, but it's preferable to learn from the mistakes of others
@@totallynotaferret Same here
“Making a joke out of a tragedy is completely different from thinking a tragedy is inherently funny.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself
The best way I could put it is that the first falls under James Bond's one-liners. The other is acting like the Joker.
Tragedies can happen from stupidity. A kind soul blowing their head off messing with fireworks will at the very meant be something I mock. Depending on how it went down it can be hilarious.
@@RyuusanFT86 well then thats makeing fun of tbe cause of the tragedy not the tragedy itself.
@@celestialcreeper8736 No, the tragedy itself can be funny because of the cause as well.
I will forever be amused and even laugh at the video if the boot fits
@@RyuusanFT86 my guy are you okay? have you ever heard about this lil concept called empathy? if you think someone blowing their head off is inherently funny you got some shit going on and outta figure that out because that's literally sociopathic. loads of people laugh at others accidentally hurting themselves if it happens in a comical way but i haven't met a single person who would call on screen deaths funny, and I know lots of people who were morbidly curious about that stuff and would watch it out of intrigue.
Bowl:
- Shows up in the middle of a conversation
- Makes great references
- Spits straight facts
- Makes good jokes
- Is against racism
- Doesn't care that he's about to get banned
- Makes more references
- Uses his last moments on the server to go out like a champ
- Refuses to take anyone's crap
Be like Bowl.
Bowl was better at explaining his pov than Karen. He didn't need to write an essay that no one else would read or go into complex details about why certain jokes are not funny. He was straight to the point, which is the best way to debate through text
True AF
Bowl is a person who grows on you. I'm not used to dark humor, not the clever kind, I didn't think it could be this way.
Bowl is that based troll that no one wants to admit
🥣
Remember kids, the best dark jokes aren't racist, they are ABOUT racism :)
Is not easy to make dark humor and people will do wrong in the path of trying to get right
That's not very politically correct of you. Please use the term "African American jokes"
Yeah, like this!
“How many police officers does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesn’t matter, they’ll just beat the room for being dark”
See how it works?
@@Corviidei TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHIT
@@Corviidei take notes ppl
">Kid's movies. Cringe" my man really insulted megamind like that and expects to win an argument?
I think C.S. Lewis said it best
““Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.”
I would say adolescence alone tho
Kids don't care about being kids. (perhaps even proud)
They find being "adult" boring or something
Homie literally talks like a 4chan user. He lost the second he used ">" at the beginning of his sentence.
Yeah, my man didn't really understand the difference between a kids movie and a movie for all audiences.
wall e 👍👍👍👍
Probably my favourite quote, ever:
*_"My ego is no bigger than yours, the only difference is that i can knock you off your high-horse and you can't strike back."_*
It's so badass and the fact that at that moment there was Franziska instead of Phoenix makes it better
"You found it funny because you thought it was funny"
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Someone engrave this into my gravestone
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2
To wit, to woo
- Some drunk owl
FC IS HIM
I like debates and I wish I were in servers where I can really practice. This sounds exactly like something I’d say, and it’s definitely a good quote to use.
"Now you're just name calling, FC."
*Literally renamed FC to "Karen" mere minutes ago*
Blatant deadnaming, these guys just keep getting worse!
@@r.henryjr.1533 frenchguy is trans¿
@@beahgg Either way he is certainly french.
"The subjectivity of humor lies within the RECEPTION of the joke, not the DELIVERY"
is such a good line
PRESENTATION
@@thatoneneeko2131 HE LACKS PRESENTATION
What
“OH YOURE A VILLAIN ALRIGHT, JUST NOT A SUPER ONE”
Explain my brian dont work
"Three idiots aren't any smarter than one, so I can handle it just fine" is such a great sentence to say mid-argument though
However the judge guy redeemed himself
This just happened to me in covid debate like a day ago. But the ignorance was so strong I started to lose it so I just stopped arguing. But I will use this now lol
Three idiots are no stronger than one, but with idiocy also comes ignorance, and ignorance is stronger than all of them combined
Fuck that was such a good roast and smooth.
I got the three stooges I'm my head now
Honestly Godot saying “you can’t even be fucked to justify your answer” really makes me think Ace Attorney would be considerably funnier with casual swearing
True
Got the line in video as soon as I read this comment lol
Bowl message: "The French have unlimited debating stamina because they have to complain every four hours or so, otherwise they blow up..." killed me
Does this mean that French people have to wake up in the middle of the night to complain about something and then go back to bed?
@@sauceboss4599 yeah, its kind of the law. every french person has an alarm clock built into the wall, so they don't forget their hourly complaints.
@@sauceboss4599 that’s why they refuse to have a good sleep schedule, that way they don’t have to worry about blowing up during their sleep. Plus they can complain about their sleeping schedule being shit as a plus
@@sauceboss4599 actually, the french have evolved to make comprehensive complaints in their sleep. not only that, but they have also managed to adapt so much that they can send their complaints to government figures via mail, all while fully unconscious.
As a French person, I see this as an absolute win.
spamming racial slurs in an argument is the real life equivalent of an ace attorney breakdown
It’s always a sign of a win, first one to take it personal loses. You also took the L if you spam 😂🤡😂🤡 at an opponent. Certain types pretend everything’s a joke and they weren’t taking it seriously but everyone has a weak point to where they become a screaming child. Would they continue arguing with you if it weren’t that deep or winning an internet argument mattered to their ego?
@@lufsolitaire5351 You: 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
It's just like if someone cheats or uses cheap tactics to win in a game, you win in the way of psychological warfare.
@@lufsolitaire5351 m.czcams.com/video/WJuJJUfhd8A/video.html
@@omniscientbarebones L
The fact that this is shown as being in a courtroom makes "*SPAMS RACIAL SLURS AGAIN*" while acting maniacally, hilarious.
Also the weird "shaking" before each outburst.
*RRRRRRRRRR*
It felt very fitting
Yeah FC is getting murdered while this just just BRRRRR the server
Volkeh is actually E;R's version in Ace Attorney series
The irony is that the character Luke Atmey got caught admitting stuff by mistake in court so this is absolutely fitting
"Gen Z is so entitled, they think they are too sophisticated to laugh when I post videos of pigs being burned alive in general chat without context"
The argument was the equivalent to a joke itself. Clown with a monocle was obviously in the wrong, yet they tried to make a joke out of FC. Yet by doing that, they made a joke out of themselves, constantly going against their own points causing ridiculous irony.
Because someone actually having a coherent argument is really funny to them
@@borederlands5387 I only agree when there is someone stupid like the clown with a monocle to try and fight back.
Its harder to argue with morons compared to arguing with people that actually use their brains
I love how Luke Atmey is just clown with a monocle
@@Indonknowreal
Them: *laughs at FC for “not elaborating”*
Also Them: *laughs at FC for writing “a bible”*
Imma just submit this to my English teacher as the new definition of hypocrisy
they're just covering up all avenues of counterpoint so they can declare themselves the winner no matter the response. classic in online arguments.
youre gonna get an A+
This is literally every online conversation ever
Fuck Cares: implies black people commit enough crimes to get shot at by cops but evolve faster running instead of evolving to commit fewer crimes
Also Fuck Cares: humor police because of supposed racism
@@Prodmullefc how tf do you evolve to commit fewer crimes? that’s called advancing moral society, man.
FC: Writes long examples to explain
Valkeh: "He doesn't even explain"
Also Valkeh: Doesn't explain, only insults
>writes essay that gets ignored
>"lmao you dont explain"
>writes and entire bible explaining
>lol here he go again
>"lmao he doesn't even explain"
har har stupid Gen Zs amiright *monkey noises*
Actually is kinda funny that people usually say "too long to read" and then proceed to say "you didn't explain anything"
@@accelmemory that totally effects my opinion har har har *more monkey noises*
You’ll prob never see this, but as a black person im really grateful how you handled this. You didn’t infantilize us and still defended your argument even with having three people come at you. I also enjoy dark humor, but I also know that there are some jokes that make me uncomfortable. But that’s the whole point right? Just because I’m upset doesn’t mean the joke is bad, I can voice my feelings but I don’t expect all jokes to be within my comfort. But that’s how trolls try to circumvent this by just saying I’m “triggered”. I know the difference between being upset because the joke is uncomfortable, and being upset because the “joke” is just thinly veiled bigotry. I appreciate you explaining the difference because it’ll definitely help me be more aware in the future. One thing my mom said that sticks with me about this kind of stuff is, “intent vs impact” meaning even if something is “just a joke” the impact of that “joke” will decide if it’s dark humor or just bigotry
yapasaurus rex 😭
@@yappertron2010bro I know your comment is over a month old and all but did you just not watch a 30 MINUTE VIDEO ESSAY that primarily includes YAPPING
I know this comment is a year late, but I couldn’t have said it better myself. Especially the infantilizing part.
@@yappertron2010 Do you have the attention span of a toddler that you can't read 1 fucking paragraph of text or what?
@@yappertron2010 How the hell did you make it through middle school if a paragraph this brief is too much for you to bear without going apeshit? ...How old are you?
The perfect joke here is being called out for “not presenting arguments”, while actively ignoring ENTIRE ESSAYS explaining your arguments
"Source?"
*shows source*
"Pfft, I'm not gonna read that!"
The worst part about this discussions is that people never stop and read the arguments they mock you so much about not presenting.
edgelords aren’t the brightest, so it’s not too shocking that they didn’t consider what FC said. especially considering their stubborn personalities.
Then accuse you of writing an encyclopedia when you actually start explaining
You always have to call that out before presenting so that you already have them corner on their hypocrisy
It’s the sad truth, and honestly, like Bowl said, there’s not a lot you can do for people who are beyond salvation.
The fact they don't read it is why they are convinced you lack an argument
This video reminds me of a popular phrase I saw on Urban Dictonary that was getting spread everywhere:
*"Schrodinger's Douchebag - One who makes douchebag statements, particularly sexist, racist or otherwise bigoted ones, then decides whether they were “just joking” or dead serious based on whether other people in the group approve or not."*
I feel it fits well here considering the conversation at hand.
Amazingly accurate.
So, a redditor
Seems legit.
So true, I have a friend like that. He made a proper racist comment once and when no one laughed and another friend said he was been an arse he played it off saying "it's just a joke".
I once called out a former friend for making an insanely racist joke and he claimed it was "just shock humor." Stopped talking to him that day
"You say outrageously offensive things because you think the existence of black people is funny.
I say controversial things because I think the existence of edgy clowns like you is funny.
We are not the same."
-Bowl
Honestly one of the best uses of “we are not the same” that I’ve ever seen.
@@solocca5436 true though
I thought this channel owns the discord
@@Ttegegg
These take place on multiple different servers, from what I can tell.
BASED
i have never respected a frenchman so much
I guess you could say race jokes aren't just black and white
You know? I had the same joke in mind throughout the entire argument
This joke is so corny, I heard a *badum tss* after reading this.
Badum tss
But your heart always knows what's right
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence you really should have pulled it out of you're still thinking about it a year later
A lot of it ultimately boils down to
"That's it? That's the dark joke? That was just an offensive statement with no punchline!"
“You’re just a dumb snowflake lol” *spams racial slurs mid-argument*
100% agreed. It's spreading like covid, and it's probably the worst it's ever been on Roblox. Like "Haha KKK=funny" like where the hell's the creativity?
Usually what they're reaching for is a meta-shot at the people who get upset at said joke regardless if the joke itself is funny, a "haha, stupid scream when I poke button". If you're left wing, think of the memes mocking right wingers getting reeeing at 3 impeachment attempts, or the memes about the Steele dossier, before it became more sad than funny. If you're right wing, any meme mocking literally everything and anything the left wing does these days. The point isn't the joke in itself, it's mocking the people who get offended by the subject of the joke. Thus why "Fuck Cares" is the real idiot here, at their core both are amusing for the same reason. The only difference is the starting point and how much effort went into it, and dividing them on some arbitrary form of "acceptability" misunderstands humor entirely
And then you get the people who unironically think African Americans look like Orks, regardless if they're the type that go "lul 2 tru" or "reee stop makimg orkz bad ppl" they're both accepting an inherently racist and laughably inaccurate comparison as reality implying "PoC" might actually look like orks when, other than skin tone, they look like any other human on this gods forsaken planet. The greatest joke of all, played on tv bound sheep and anthropologists alike.
@@KiraSlith
Either I’m dumb, or you’re bad at proving a point, because I’m can’t completely comprehend what point you’re trying to convey here. I don’t know what left wing and right wing have to do with this (or what they mean), unless they can be used outside of a political context. Either way, it doesn’t matter Which “wing” you’re in, because humor made to offend people can be towards anyone, and it just has to be of something they usually have a strong opinion towards, or just heavily dislike. They don’t need to be directly against each other (I think that’s how left and right wing work if that’s the way you’re using them).
Nonetheless, fuck cares is most definitely not the dumbass in this situation. If we’re talking about humor made to offend, Volkeh only used it as an excuse to stop fuck cares from labeling them as racist, or from talking as if they’d believe that stupid lie. Volkeh only made stupid contradicting excuses.
Moreover, if 2 people are arguing, and 1 of them repeatedly yells slurs at the top of their lungs, you’re really not gonna side with them. If you are, then some of the conclusions nearing the end can be made about you as well.
@@KiraSlith I could tell he was 18 by the way he was arguing. Not cause he was "offended" by it, but because of the way he was arguing. It had a logic to it and yet was so nonsensical as to be impossible to take seriously. There was a certain level of gatekeeping going on where he approved certain jokes based on whether or not they were funny to *him*. One is dark humor, the other isn't, simply because he finds them funny. He was trying to defend his favorite thing cause he thought the "sheep" who "didn't really get it" were going to ruin it.
At the end of the day, there's just a kind of humor literally called "racist humor", and it is actually offensive and is only really to be used in specific company. It's not dark humor, or edgy humor, it's point blank racist humor. I'm a minority and friends with almost exclusively other minorities, not that it matters imo, but regardless, we tend to use it a lot around each other. There's just something about the absurdity of racial stereotypes that makes them fucking hilarious. But good god, I'd never use that to determine how I treat *real people*, nor do I think anyone in the video would. That's just fucking retarded. People are people, not stereotypes, and if you treat people as if they're stereotypes, then you're a bigoted racist asshole.
>Edgeworth walks in
>"You are all wrong"
> Refuses to elaborate.
I wish that would happen
"The subjectivity of humour lies within the reception of the joke, not the delivery" Holy fuck that's a quotable line if I've ever seen one, I could not agree more
I'm not good at putting things into more complex words. Could you break that down so I can better understand it?
@@samuelsoliday4381 since no one has said anything, basically humor itself is not subjective. Humor has base rules for it to be considered humor. However the reception of humor IS subjective because certain kinds of jokes can be funny to some but not to others. So when people say "humor is subjective" the point is not that anything can be a joke, but that different people find different things funny.
@@macstokow Okay. Thank you, that makes sense.
"Gen Z is so sensitive!"
Ah yes, because a couple hundred ppl on Twitter represent an entire generation of millions of varying people.
Make that a couple hundred thousand.
@@TheKreature13666
Still doesn't compare to millions.
@@giantpinkcat oh wow i saw this comment just as you commented, weird
@@giantpinkcat if i had to guess the figure it would be 1-2% (just taking this from some of the 1500+ students in my highschool) and you get a staggering 1.63 million(Get this figure by dividing pop of the USA by the % of gen zers in the world and multiply by .015, also this is talking about the people who act or have the same mentality as the ones on twitter and not the ones that actually use twitter)(1.5%) in the USA (specifically bc I really doubt there's any other country that have the amount of these specific set of gen-zrs as the US does)
"gen z is so sensitive"
*proceeds to get angry and tries to justify why they should be a dick instead of apologizing*
If a person can't find what's humourous about their own "joke", why should anyone else find it humourous?
Because one could understand the joke, even if OP fails to do so
@@mickael_guitara Sure, but that's a matter of could, not should, which would be a responsibility/obligation to do so.
FC realized this, and consistently called out by asking, what's the joke? Instead of allowing the focus to be on him being "offended," which was just a deflection.
It doesn't really matter, if Volkeh was the one posting the paint joke he still would be an idiot, and the joke would still be a good one. Fuck Cares even said some jokes Volkeh posted were funny, but it's just spamming random shit he founds on the internet so he probably doesn't understand how are these really are funny or not. So, as for "why should anyone else find it humorous ?", it isn't a matter of "should" whatsoever, it is solely about if they have sufficient neural activity, thus if they can or cannot.
@@mickael_guitara Yet "should" is exactly what my comment was about. Now maybe you don't consider it as important/relevant of a point, but unless you want to take the position that others are more responsible/obligated to find what's humourous in what people say, than those who say it, then you're not really disagreeing with the comment I made.
Maybe it's more of a priority to you, but given that many things are true at once, I'm not sure what the point of this is.
I'm not saying receivers should take upon themselves the _duty_ to get the joke or not, but rather that depending on their intellect they would end up with different meanings of the same joke ("ahah black guy goes brrr" VS "abrupt and violent ending is a form of gallows humor"), IF this is a joke ; so unless OP came up with a very poor one *or* straight up racism like this is the case, thus I agree no one "should [...] find it humorous" as you said firstly, because there is no joke to laugh at. Maybe you meant it that way, then all I have said is nonsense and I appear to look like a madman lol
The amount of times i have seen people just spamming racial slurs to prove their point is hilarious
22:03
HOLY SHIT THIS MAN JUST DID EVERYTHING AT ONCE!
roasted the hell out of FC, the French, the british, And everyone in the server
Complements the french and FC.
Proved FC's Point right, white annihilating the other "Points"
AND put himself on a different level using a joke as a way to inflate his "Ego"
Man putting Shakespear to shame with this goddamn wordplay
"His freedom of speech allows him to say what he wants"
"Not according to the sixth server rule..."
Fuck man, that got me
People are entitled to free speech, but that speech is not free of consequence. Nor are people entitled to a platform for that speech. If you think free speech is a free pass to say anything, you will get the bonk stick.
People forget that platforms like Twitter, Reddit, and Discord Servers are global platforms: anyone can use them. Therefore they can have whatever rules they want, and no governmental laws can tell them otherwise. You don't have free speech in a discord server, unless there are no rules as to what can and cannot be said in the server. You can't say whatever you want in a CZcams video or on Facebook because both of them have a strict set of guidelines that you have to agree to in order to use the app. If you don't agree, you don't get to use their services. That's why it's called "Terms of Sevice." You have to follow their rules or you won't be allowed to participate
@@redtailarts101 Not quite right. Global companies like those risk being banned in countries with stricter speech laws if they don't abide by them. Of course there's always VPNs etc. to bypass that, but governments can attempt to regulate these businesses at the risk of them just not operating in their country.
What is the sixth server rule
@@ryanhernandez8324 no bigotry
I will forever and always stand by the phrase “dark humor is not the same as offensive humor”.
I will die on that hill if I have to. Let's be honest here, "haha lol sa" isn't funny. dark humor is not the same as offensive humor. And I love dark humor
@@grimmisareaper always have a soft spot for dark and self deprecating humor. just the type of person I am but it is true, an offensive joke is a joke meant to offend someone, dark humor is a joke which makes fun of something that is inherently offensive.
@@nekoluxuria7721 Exactly, I like to make fun of the blatantly wrong things, not the people being hurt by the blatantly wrong things.
Offensive humor is just saying
“Omg twin tower go vroom vroom”
Which is just stupid
Hell even offensive humor has a way to do it...though i'll admit that normally either depends on pre existing friendship or commitment to a bit you cant really just go around making offensive jokes randomly
Like yea make fun of a friend for where or how they where born that's funny cause of all things to make fun of a friend for you go for something so general (it also helps avoid getting too personal as some get uncomfortable with that)
And if you can actually commit to a bit trough absurdist statement's it can work but you really gotta play up a character not just go around stealing other peoples stuff and you need to at the very least start with obvious absurdism. Sure they could be seen as offensive as they do require knowledge of either you as a friend or your bit and thus are best kept to more tightly nit groups
22:35 I think Bowl’s line here is my favourite part of the entire video for several reasons. He manages to *insult* FC and the French as a whole, while simultaneously *proving* FC’s point completely correct *AND* antagonising the opposition. The entire structure of this small paragraph of dialogue is masterful, to say the very least, playing both on the ironic superimposed stereotypes, as well as British - French conflict, as well as insulting FC personally for being overly descriptive and wordy in his arguments. However, he perfectly continues the flow of FC’s argument by presenting his joke in a format that remains consistent with the aforementioned dynamic, thus leading to a humorous juxtaposition that proves FC entirely right!
Bowl is the true hero of this whole shitshow
the transition from Phoenix to Francisca when he was renamed Karen was just too funny
They thought they nerfed him by naming him Karen.
Instead, they awakened his full power.
He is the good type of karen
@@taekoyasuhiro1573 they're called girlbosses
@@Iskou307 false most women are unfunny
Their a new species
@@FartSticksXDlol what
Son: "Dad, what's dark humor?"
Dad: "See that man over there with no hands? Ask him to clap"
Son: "..But I'm blind"
THIS. this is dark humor. It's offensive? Maybe. It's smart? Definetely. It's funny? Probably.
My man, you just made the perfect dark joke
@@MfwPrivate i dont really understand the joke. could you explain it for me
@@hangfire5944 This is my “reception”, so it can’t be objectively correct. I think it’s a good dark humor joke because it subverts the father-son dynamic. The father is supposed to help his son with his question. The father, understanding dark humor, tries to assist his son by requesting him to perform an action that his son obviously can’t do. While he should know that his son’s condition is tragic, he is technically trying to teaching him dark humor. His son just happens to be part of the joke.
@@yohtaoken oh i get it now. thanks
@@hangfire5944
*bad explanation incoming*
The father tells his son to ask a man with no hands to clap.
This is obviously impossible, and that makes it funny because it’s offensive but also clever.
Then we find out that the son is blind, so he can’t actually see the man with no hands, that means his father was demonstrating dark humor by making fun of his disability without actually being mean and simultaneously making fun of another person without being mean.
I hate and love the fact that u represented some of the BEST arguments yet they were still demanding it 💀
Hi there! I'm a child who just stumbled upon this, and i watched the video.
This is probably a really big problem going on in a lot of places in the community, and I think that it's wonderful you adresssed this kind of topic for other people, possibly like me, to be aware.
I was never one for dark humor, mainly cause i never found it truly humerous, but this is a good example of great comedy, and possibly the problem with how dark humor is presented nowadays.
I had no idea what else to write so..
Thank you for introducing me to the wrongs so i can never follow their ways.
-Grace.
I'm gonna be under your bed
The duality of man
I like the essay, I’m not supposed to grade it but from a quick overview it’s really good!
Mod: “Don’t speak on behalf of black people!”
*Mod the very next sentence:* “I have black friends in other servers and they wouldn’t get offended” 🤦🏼♂️
They said “and they don’t get offended” thus it’s a testimony not a guess
@@dandydanthedapperman7797 *wouldn't
What pisses me off the most is that these ‘black friends’ almost certainly hold inherently racist beliefs against their own race which is exactly why they’re fine with literal racists doing the same.
I’m afab, and once had a girl on my team make self deprecating ‘jokes’ about her own gender to try and conform to the mostly all ‘male-team’ which in actuality I was afab and my other friend was a girl and we basically carried the entire game. Just because she wasn’t good at video games, doesn’t mean every girl is, and the fact that people will use girls like her as an excuse to say sexist things to other girls, and then shit on said girls when they get offended, because I ‘know girls who are cool with it’ baffles me. These types of people only make it harder for those who just want to simply exist.
@@dandydanthedapperman7797 how are these ppl the voice of every black person in existence its like saying i have two female friends that have a pain kink and i hurted them cuz they didnt mind so that means every girl shouldn’t mind. Ik it is a really weird example but that is all that came to my head
"wouldn't" means mod havents asked them yet~ i see a hole~
"He doesn't explain his humor"
**has already typed two whole essays explaining his humor**
For real.
I understand that not everyone wants to read Novels on the internet, I don't either. However, if I refuse to read a novel I at least acknowledge that I did not read their arguments. These people just refused to listen and then wondered why they were being called idiots
"why is he calling me stupid?"
Also him: Too long didn't read
> >refuses to elaborate
> in b4 20000 page essay
Is he not elaborating or is he doing it too much?
@@jeezuhskriste5759 after he has already elaborated as well. also i love how this guy is literally a generic 4chan user
And then proceed to call the explanation a "bible"
Shocking fact: Discrimination isn’t humor.
That's like saying having a sadistic sense of humor isn't having a sense of humor. Discriminative humor just isn't acceptable humor.
@@ibrahimihsan2090There's a difference between dark humour and being straight up racist
@@eeg-rh7jv And hence, racist humor, sexist humor, cruel and sadistic humor exists because of a person's negative qualities. My objection was not towards the difference between dark humor and offensive behavior, my point was that offensive people can have an offensive sense of humor. Humor is subjective enough to exist as such. That, however, doesn't make it good and acceptable.
@@ibrahimihsan2090Had to give that a second read, but well-put!
@@justseffstuff3308 Thanks.
The amount of argumental stamina shown here is superhuman
Also, the whole “freedom of speech” argument is based on a pretty fundamental misconception. Freedom of speech, in a legal sense, means that the *government* has no right to deny/abridge your ability to speak openly on a subject. It does not, however, free you from the consequences of saying stupid shit.
Right, like imagine shouting about the second amendment when the TSA finds a gun in your carry on bag
Freedom of speech, in a legal sense, is indeed about the government. But freedom of speech as a principle is not, some companies are more powerful than some countries, and these companies limiting freedom of speech is worrying. But the guys in the video saying "buh my freedom of speech" as an argument against being criticized is of course totally in the wrong as criticism is basically the very thing freedom of speech is meant to protect
i preach this shit man. speech is always limited, it’s when the government can ban the expression of certain ideas that there’s an issue. private establishments and platforms have every right to censorship, because you can leave and do it somewhere else.
@@caviicape except for when there develops oligopolies on where expression can reasonably spread. Individual forums, subreddits, or chats having their own rules is fine, but when Twitter, Facebook, Google, and even MasterCard together deem certain speech unacceptable, the arguments that apply to governments start to work just as well for private companies
@@MrNikeNicke that’s a valid argument, but when people claim freedom of speech as a right, it is in reference to the bill of rights, which regards the government specifically. even if you believe that large companies should not be allowed to limit speech, universally free speech is not something anyone is entitled to by law or constitution.
Can we appreciate how, when faced with being banned, Bowl joked about it and willingly let himself be banned? Unlike Valkeh, who started making meaningless arguments and spamming racial slurs?
Edit: Istanbul was Constantinople....
The diference between a man smart enought to have fun with his character and a fucking edgy manchild , and quite posibly a bonafide racist.
stan bowl
@@dazai8879 add a 'is' there,then its perfect
@@dazai8879 is stan bowl
@@fm56001 was Constantinople
Watching this was painful. It's possible to argue with someone who's wrong. To argue with idiots is to argue with a brick wall, pointless. Props to ya for sticking with your arguement and not just giving up. I know I would have.
As a “snowflake”, this video was fairly enlightening and changed my view on dark humour! Props to you.
As somebody who laughts at offensive humor including if is use agaist me i agree but im french so maybe our humor is diffrent
@@francoisdaureville323 did you just say you’re fr*nch 🤮
That's what actual good arguments are supposed to do
@@amberhide04A quote I live by: “You don’t win an argument by convincing the other dude you’re right, you win it by being right when it ends”. This dude won big.
Volkeh's primary defense mechanism really is just shitting himself and screaming like he's having a seizure, huh?
It truly is the Nutshack
Couldn't expect anything better from someone as tasteless; it wasn't a surprise at all.
He argues like an eight year old who got his iPad taken away
@@ratskinnz995 and he's supposed to be 24 too lol
“Objection! Your honor, the prosecution’s witness is literally using racial slurs!”
“Overruled, Mr. Wright. I have black friends.”
Boohoo someone said the hecking nono words. Grow up.
@@youcantbeatk7006 Why grow up when I could _THROW UP_
(Has a grotesque slimy birth of cactuses out of my mouth)
@@youcantbeatk7006 L reply
@@youcantbeatk7006 Bro just said “hecking” when telling someone to grow up 💀
@@littlemoth4956 Are dumb are you to not understand basic satire? When I said "boo hoo" did you think I honestly felt bad?
i think the most frustrating part is just them refusing to even listen to your points and dodging questions only bringing up tiny little flaws in your argument- thats when you know your not having a argument with someone. thats just a brick wall
edit: THEY REALLY PULLED THE I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS SO ITS OK CARD--
This is hella entertaining and I appreciate that someone actually took the time to make a video like this. Way too much “dark humor” that’s legitimately just thinly-veiled bigotry as opposed to proper dark humor that use minorities, tragedies, etc; as a playing card for a good joke.
Speaking strictly of internet communities, The purpose of dark humour online is to keep minorities from being liabilities and using their minority status against you. In any social situation (online) these people have the advantage of using - ism's in their favour, you need to keep them down to get an sense of equality between them and the general population. You can see this in any online community that is majority female(because they let themselves get overrun by people stacking minority cards on top of eachother).
@@accounfour2402 What the hell kind of fantasy have you concocted where the brave non-minorities need to use a dark weapon forged in humor to fight off the minorities trying to take them down with their "-ism's" and "-phobic's"? lmao. I'm not saying nobody does this (there's always some moron trying to pull the minority card in order to wiggle out of something), but you seem to think ALL minorities just have this deadly argument-win button in their back pocket that they use against anyone they don't like. How the hell does dark humor stop them from doing this anyways??? Bozo statement fr
“Arguing against three people is overwhelming. Thankfully, three idiots aren’t any smarter than one, so I can handle myself just fine.”
Holy *shit* FC out here murdering people in broad daylight
Which is impressive given he's neither an american police offer, nor are his victims black.
--This is a correct use of dark humour as it criticises the american police system and its prejudice towards minorities.
@@Tonatsi excellent use of dark humor to make a political point about police brutality in America
@@swordsmancs Screw Volkeh
@@Tonatsi Here. Right here. THIS is someone who learned something from this experience.
@@Tonatsi I'd rather have gone for the nazi/jew example, because it's a historically closer topic to me, but you made a fine example
"I make jokes out of grim situations, you laugh at grim situations." Someone needs to put that on a poster, you cannot put it into better words.
Or at least make a Gus Fring meme out of it.
We are not the same.
@@MrTheil 28:00 Gus Fring meme reference here
That line was something my friend told me when i used to be an edge lord I usually make mildly dark jokes in a circle of friends who are fine with it, and I'm glad that when i was an edgelord making jokes they corrected me when i crossed the line so now i know that saying "haha black people dead" isnt funny but just racism, now my humor revolves around making fun of people that have the so called racial slurs funny mindset
@@kaisu6061 There are jokes about the police murder rate amongst black people that have been pretty funny (as a black dude myself lol) so 'blac people dead' could be funny. Literally anything can be funny if you told the joke well.
I think my favorite bit of this video is that despite everything, you still kept them changing you to "Karen" and presented it in a funny way. Yet despite the fact it was meant to mock you, "Karen" ended up being a force to be reckoned with, much like von Karma. You wore the persona almost like a badge of honor as the opposition continued to break.
Also the slight character development when Baxter kinda starts listening to you, and quietly bans Volkeh. That took me by surprise.
Honestly I'm shocked I sat down and watched a white Frenchman be the biggest Chad in the entire room for 30 minutes straight. You presented your arguments incredibly well, picking up the counter argument and then showing why they were wrong. You even attempted to give the counter an attempt to defend themselves, but all they did was show how stupid they were and wanted to be high and mighty about it.
You presented your case extremely well and I feel like it was extremely educational! As a white woman I've always been wary about Dark Humor because a lot of the times it seems pretty racist. But seeing some of the jokes you deconstructed shows that I probably just didn't get the joke most of the time. But when I did get the joke, I always felt awful about laughing (because again: I live a very privileged life and I'm painfully aware of this fact).
Going forwards with this new knowledge, I feel like I can much more safely observe dark humor. I have no plans on making dark jokes like that, unless it's joking on a group I'm a part of, because that's where my nuisance is. But now I can actually call people out for tasteless offensive humor instead of just looking like an idiot white person.
Thanks for the video! It was definitely worth the watch ^^
Bowl is an interesting personality. The biggest thing I think people forget about Bowl is that Bowl actually possesses an understanding of why some of the things he says are screwed up. The point is, he says them regardless. It is a persona, played up to 10. Bowl is best in settings where everyone knows Bowl and understands the concept of Bowl.
TL;DR: Bowl is Bowl.
I might miss the point, but if an important part of Bowl's humor is making fun of the concept of racists, because -and I'm not sure if this is correct- I'm pretty sure bowl isn't racist, I have a feeling he once said he didn't like a race because of something incredibly minor, and I found that funny because actually people actually do start to hate an entire race because of something minor thats entirely about an individual, and not about their entire race. It stands to reason that in a vacuum without racists, the joke isn't funny, and needs that context. And yes, it does also need the context that we're pretty sure bowl isn't genuinely a racist, he's a comic/actor. Again, maybe I'm off the mark
@@jettthorp9444 Pretty much. Bowl is a character, made by the true Bowl.
@@eanschaan9392 "BOWL IS BOWL!"
-Mr. Incredible, probably
Bowl
Aw yeah
God I hate it when people use "freedom of speech" as an excuse to deny others' freedom of speech.
As I often say : "Your freedom of speech end where someone else freedom of speech start."
The "having Freedom of Speech means no one is allowed to criticize me" crowd never seem to understand that their basic premise is flawed.
Everybody is for freedom of speech until they hear speech they dont like
freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences
So, liberals?
bro must have thought dark humor was making fun of "dark people"
Man, FC, you truly have an incredible grasp over language and argumentation. All of your arguments were things I've thought of and felt before but never had the words to explain in the moment. I'm quite a fan of dark humor, but I've never been comfortable with mainstream examples of it because, to me, there just wasn't a joke. The punchline was always "haha tragedy is funny" not "tragedy is inherently tragic not funny, but there is absurdity in this tragedy that we may laugh at to preserve our sense of sanity". I wish I had something more eloquent to say, but really I just want to say thank you. This video will definitely be on my mind for a while.
I just realized I did have something more to say. I had a conversation loosely similar to this one years ago with a psychology professor. Their position was that all humor seeks to make fun of someone - that the punchline of every single joke, in some way, is either a person or group. I disagreed. I was only 15 at the time, and I lacked your impressive abilities, so I essentially just said that humor can also come from the twisting of expectations. I used a well-known raunchy joke as an example. "I took a bath with bubbles last night. . . Bubbles is my neighbor."
He said, "Yes, it's funny because it implies a sexual encounter between you and your neighbor. We laugh as a judgment of your behavior with your neighbor. Thus, the joke is making fun of you and your neighbor."
I responded "No, the joke is the twist. You weren't expecting what I said next after my initial statement. It caught you off guard, that's the humor."
He then said, "Perhaps, the joke is on me then? I find it funny because I was fooled, so I am the true punchline."
We ended up moving on after that, but this video reminded me of that day in class.
"Usain Bolt is proof that black people are evolving to outrun the police's bullets" jajajajaj that was gold
For me I didn't find it as funny as funny though i kinds get it
Well it's a good joke, but a less funny one as others can be... Yes, I believe a joke can be good yet not funny.
@@laurelyn Even if you don’t laugh, it’s something to think on.
@@laurelyn yeah, that’s the whole deal with dark humor. It’s not inherently funny since the subject is tragic, but it can still make you laugh since laughing is a coping mechanism
@@laurelyn That basically sums up my view on it
"If the objective is to piss me off, why do you get offended by me getting pissed off" is just about one of the best mic-drop lines I've ever seen regarding this topic
Damn straight
Damn
Also:
“I make jokes out of grim situations, you laugh at grim situations. It’s not the same”
WDamn
I was taken back by how well executed that comment was
It's kinda ironic that Volkeh's gross misunderstanding of dark humor is so twisted that it turns him into an actual example, _but not for any of the reasons he wants._
We're not laughing at someone being racist; we're laughing at someone making an absolute fool of himself.
And the funniest thing is that there was at least one joke that could've been explained (the "Winnie the Pooh" joke, as a perversion of innocence), but he still didn't do it because he's that dense.
If this video taught me two things, it would be that dark humor requires a mass amount of nuance and that Bowl is actually funny.
I love that Bowl shows up, expounds dozens of prime “racist jokes” that are actually jokes, plants himself firmly on FC’s side, and then insults him again. Beautiful. Chaotic. Masterpiece.
Bowl is that jester character that helps you in your quest because it looked fun and man did that megamind joke pay off
God I love bowl
And he actually finishes his entrance that everyone else forgot about by then
What I love about Bowl in this video is that he essentially humiliated Volkeh by beating him at his own game.
@@MrTheil You simply cannot beat a master at his own game.
There's a scene in an episode family guy where Joe shares that his van has "the latest in law enforcement technology." Peter tries it out and gets handcuffed (which is normal protocol for the AI). Cleveland also tries it out but the result is him getting beaten by batons.
The irony is that an artificial intelligence, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED, immediately sees someone of color to be a threat and beats the shit out of him, but comparatively, a white person gets a mere slap on the wrist.
Why it's ironic is because of its association with the police. Hence, it's making fun of police being racist (leading to brutality); NOT Cleveland for being black.
And here I am overanalyzing a joke from an episode of family guy, of all things, which despite being an older episode, is relevant to this day.
This joke is actually prescient too because on more than one occasion researchers have found that their machine learning systems have internalised racial or other bigoted biases from learning from skewed data.
You feed a police AI crime data for the past 50 years of racialised policing which targeted black communities and it'll learn to target black communities which will catch more crime there producing data which makes the AI more confident in the need to over police black communities and so on. That joke isn't just a funny pop at the police, it's the very real risk of even simple AI systems told in joke form.
@@ronanstephens1597 As much as this kind of stuff seems skewered, Black and Latino communities tend to have much higher crime statistics than white ones. So much so, most black people actually want more policing for their communities. Their biggest problem isn’t racism, it’s crime, and people are targeting the almost nonexistent problem when people are suffering to deal with the bigger problem. Tell me about it, we Latinos are extremely self destructive for some reason
“He never said anything racist!” *Man spams racial slurs*
As tens if not hundreds of comments have said. I was once on the offensive humor side too. This was really informative and to be honest, eye opening to what real dark humor is.
That said, damn, I wish I had half the grasp you have on the English language to be able to write/express my thoughts in a way as fluid as you.
I like how bowl is on his side, not the black and white ones, he AGREES and respects you but he doesn't defend you directly
But usually that type tend to make enemies from the black and white sides. Tough yet honourable action.
@@SetuwoKecik one must make sacrifices when under pressure i guess
I feel like Bowl is more or less like a reel, hes perfomativelly comically bigotted, but probably a good person when outside of character, i feel like on his last moments, he was out of character.
@@philipearakaki bowl's character is inherently smart, i don't think you can get offended by his views on everything and he seems like a nice guy, the first comparision i thought of is goddamn sonic boom knuckles lol
@@droidplant4961 I read bowls jokes there and all I can think are, yeah these jokes are meant to shock you, he even threw in a good 'FR vs GB' Joke in there, it's a situation of you know it's a character when he's willing to kamikaze by words
The only problem with this is that one of the least effective ways of getting through to people, from what I've seen, is explaining everything they knew is wrong and how illogical they've been by habit. Nobody wants to be proven wrong regardless of how much they want to improve- which is why it only works if you're able to turn their own actions against them instead.
This exactly.
It isn't very easy to find people who will go "Huh, that's kinda weird. I thought I had it right. Well, thanks for the tip mate!" and go on their merry way when told that "What you've been doing for the past 5+ years is wrong. (Followed by a step-by-step explanation/guide on the topic they thought they were already well-versed in.)"
Yeah, in this scenario, the best course of action was the way Bowl came in to talk. These people give zero fjcks as to whether or not what they say makes any sense, and they do not care for thought-out responses (as you can tell from how much they gave FC sh1t for "typing out essays"). What they DO care about is coming across as "cringe", as trying too hard. Bowl's disdainful and apathetic attitude makes these people feel like they're cringeworthy tryhards, THAT gets to them.
@@PeeperSnail Makes sense. Manipulation- I mean education- I mean manipulation is all about using other people's fears and desires at your advantage. Said fears and desires can be different from yours.
This is actually called backfire bias. Where when proven wrong the speaker becomes more attached to their argument or belief
@@PeeperSnail I think that's at least in part because they absolutely mean what they say and know what they're doing. To quote Jean Paul Satre:
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
FC can't get through to them because they know exactly what FC is saying but intentionally misrepresented the arguments because they're motivated to discredit those who call them out. Bowl's approach refuses to play this game and exposes them for what they really are. Engaging with Bowl risks undermining their ability to win over third parties with their propaganda which is what they really want.
The "Grim situations" being used for jokes is kind of like raw meat in a way. FC, by making a joke using the grim situation, is using it to make a dish.
Volkeh is just putting the raw meat on a plate and expecting people to eat it.
thank you for voicing every problem i have with people using dark humor and people who get offended by dark humor.
I slightly disagree about Bowl's joke:
"How many black people does it take to paint a wall red? Depends on how hard you throw them."
Subversion of expectations is right, but not because it's an innocent question.
Bowl was building up to a racist joke by including race, but then changed it into something random and spontaneous. Like if a Black guy was getting chased by some cops and then everyone's penises spontaneously combusted
yeah, that's what I was thinking, it makes you think it's going to be a joke based on either 'black people are lazy' or an innocent answer, making fun of you for thinking that's what it would say. like 'why'd you think that?' but it goes neither of those directions and goes to a universal violence that's unexpected
even though Bowl's joke isn't as bad as theirs, this is the reason why I'm still not a fan of it. It's like swinging your hand in front of someone's face and then being like "haha, you flinched! funny, yeah?". I've seen jokes that seem to start off with an offensive premise but subvert it at the last minute and found them funny, but for some reason that joke just isn't hitting for me
Alright that was funny
The joke itself isnt that funny but it helps set up the "black and white people are the same inside" joke which made me laugh
I can kinda see that Bowl's joke comes off as racist, but honestly, I think it's a parody on the treatment black, or, well, any non-white slaves had during the times of colonization or the building of the Egyptian pyramids, as an example. Or in the cases of... Y'know. *cough cough* Germany during 1930-1940 *cough cough*, by basically saying "Holy frick slaves were treated so badly that their owners would send them off to die just because of their color", but Bowl doesn't have the same tact and elegance as Fuck Cares to explain his joke.
It's not an innocent, cheerful joke. But it is a hard, obvious criticism on the treatment of slaves and brutalization on people of color. There IS a punchline. And it IS an exaggeration of a situation that, several hundred years ago, was considered acceptable, but nowadays, is simply lunatic to even think about. (Even though it probably is still happening...)
Being black and using the internet is tough, I get called racial slurs almost everyday and it's apparently supposed to be "funny"
It's not, that's just what racist shitbags say to gaslight and ease their own conscience.
Mood. I'm trans, and I've basically had to dip off reddit because of this. And I actually *like* dark humor.
@@transsnack 100%. Dark humor is funny, saying slurs and playing it off as a joke retroactively is not.
@Dehumanizing my land lord why are you telling someone how to feel because of your experience? Just because it’s just a word to you doesn’t mean the same for the said person who wrote the original comment. I’m tired of people deciding how people should feel. Just because you’re a Hispanic that’s fine with slurs doesn’t mean you speak for the population.
I’m tired of people acting like internet words “don’t hurt anyone.” Statistically, radicalization happens on the internet which then happens offline. Dylan Roof, Brent Tarrant all partook in that sort of behavior before shooting up a church full of black folks or a mosque full of Muslim folks, so it’s more than just “words.”
I swear it’s like latine folks are tone deaf as duck,
@@transsnack holy lord I feel you on that. Most social media have just been ruined because I'll just be having a cool day, scrolling thru stuff, and then boom: slurs, something calling autistic people inhuman, or laughing at someone for "having blue hair and pronouns". Like, wheres the funny??
I loved the part where FC said that if he had explained all in french they would've learnt nearly the same as they did in english: nothing.
And immediately after they proceed to confirm it. xd
I wish I found this video sooner. I was involved in an argument almost exactly like this. I wish I could type essays like this.
That guy's constant use of greentext formatting outside of 4chan was unbearable.
Actually, it would explain a lot of things, specially from where the edgyness comes from.
@@thementalorder1233 the fact a grown ass man is acting like that is pathetic. Ironic he kept calling FC a snowflake when this man is a straight up degenerate
*colorblind and using glasses with orange crystals* green text?
>use 4chan once
>Unable to talk outside of green text and racist memes
>Someone please help me
@@burushifudara do you not understand or are you making a joke? I can't tell
"We don't speak surrender here, buddy."
"Well, perhaps you should, because your stance on this argument is pitiful at best."
And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is the greatest burn of 2021. I honestly enjoyed your answer, it was just too spot-on.
P.S. - Long live Bowl, he died for our sins
I also found the former line as ironic due to the fact that FC was actively not surrendering. This is also connected to the French stereotype of being cowards and running away because of having many (13?) words for surrender.
@@DukeMemes6047 the children have evolved
@@DukeMemes6047 And I still have no idea where that particular "fact" comes from, as far as I know we only have one word and a couple of expressions, just like every language... But yeah, some people should really meet the french workers on strike before going on about "surrender"
@@DukeMemes6047 you could argue that the former line is accurate to the French as they were the most active fighters against the Germans during the second war
I also find funny how they pretend like their sense of dark humor is funny and not inherently racist, then their first instinct is to make a lazy bigoted joke at FC's expense
The biggest feat that this video has is being able to give us an exact idea of volk's pfp.
Which is?
All I have to say on this is you have literally ALL of my respect on this.
If I lost a brain cell for every time the racist guy with the monocle was stupid, I'd start to agree with him.
Now that , is humor
oh look! An actual joke with a punchline
actual example of comedy wtf
That’s actually a good joke. Nice one.
See its not that hard!
Arguing with idiots is the same as playing chess against a pigeon. It doesn't matter if you are a master, the pigeon is just going to knock off the pieces and make a mess out of the board, so you can't really win.
who are you to judge the pidgeon.
Well, In this case they did kindof win. The moderator banned that asshole after realizing he was wrong
@@Purple_Sloth bro a Pidgeon fucking shits on you mid-air, of course they're dumb
The way I'd heard that one was "...it's still going to shit on the table and strut around like it won."
@@DragonsGuy Yeah, I just wanted to omit the swear word. Personal preference, nothing else.
the problem with irony is always that some people take it seriously... you have those who take it seriously and take offense to it, which is a minor inconvenience at most. but the more dangerous is when they take it seriously and still laugh at it.
"Also, saying you can paint a wall red with black people's guts isn't inherently racist because it proves that black people and white people are all the same on the inside: *Red."*
This line from Bowl goes INCREDIBLY hard, I got chills down my spine.
They say explaining the joke ruins it, but this right here, _god_ is it satisfying.
On God. Explaining a joke makes it better.
@@R41ph3a7b6 not what they meant, I think.
I would like to say, making jokes made to trigger people isn’t even good comedy. You WANT someone to argue with you or have a breakdown because of your “joke”? That’s low key sociopathic.
I call that sadistic.
I don't really see the difference between a troll and a sadist, since the point of trolling is to take pleasure from another person's negative emotions.
@@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear True, but sadism involves liking to watch people be hurt. I would argue, at least depending on who you ask, that's a little sociopathic. Either way, as a black person I did not enjoy ANY of his jokes, especially the George Floyd ones. So yeah, Fuck-Cares won.
@@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Well, close. Trolling is to take pleasure from someone’s anger or sadness towards something that is considered unreasonable. It’s funny when you can villainize someone who throws a tantrum over something small. This is why harassment and bullying is not trolling. Anything beyond that is the definition of sadism.
@@littlemoth4956 hey i always see you in yt comments (we barely interact tho)
@@littlemoth4956 So the issue there is what seems unreasonable to you may be perfectly reasonable to someone else in different circumstances. A lot of the time what trolls are doing is calling autistic kids out for being autistic and eorceiving the world differently.
God I lost braincells from the sheer ignorance one can hold within.
I had an argument similar to this one with a schoolmate of mine recently, and it just somehow ended up devolving into them repeating "Women have no rights so you can't argue with me lol," and when I tried to confront him on it his counterargument was "I always say minority groups have no rights, it's one of my most used quotes." He blocked me shortly after, and I honestly think it's the most pathetic argument I've had to endure LMAO
Another important element of dark humor that wasn’t touched on is surprise. What makes offensive jokes funny is that you have to take a moment to go “…did they seriously just say that?” The shock of hearing something you definitely shouldn’t have heard can be funny. However, there are two considerations. The first is audience. Being a dick isn’t funny. Being a dick around people who see humor in being a dick humorously is. When you make offensive jokes, you need to know your audience. It can be fun to make dark jokes when you’re around a bunch of friends who see humor in that kind of thing, but EVERYONE has lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Some have more stuff behind that line than others, but everyone’s got them. It is YOUR responsibility as the joke-teller to not step over that line, not their responsibility as a listener to adjust that line for you (barring certain situations where you establish ahead of time that jokes will be offensive, and a sensitive individual chooses to stick around anyway.)
Two is frequency. As I said before, like almost all humor, dark humor comes from subversion: something taboo being suddenly brought up and made light of. When you do it ALL THE TIME, you not only take away the surprise (which, as you said in the video, leaves only the quality of the joke itself to stand alone), and you also establish a pattern of behavior that… doesn’t look good.
I used to be the kind of person to make dark jokes all the time in my teens. Not quite as bad as these jackasses, but still excessive. My opinion on dark jokes hasn’t changed, but my usage has. Dark jokes are now like a fine wine to bust out on a special occasion than a cheap drink to bring out to break the silence.
YES I was just about to say this! A dark joke can be as simple making fun of someone, but it has to be set up right and used sparingly for shock value. The problem with these guys (in my eyes) isn't that their joke is black people bad. Its that they lost the set up. Their in so many layers of """"irony"""" that their just being racist and programmed to laugh.
i also did dark humor a lot back in the day, never talked about race though because that was my own personal line at the time (bars). most of them were just making fun of other ridiculous issues in america... they were still bad jokes tho
@@snug0191 MOST BASED COMMENT
Yes. But at the same time. The person MUST make clear what type of jokes they aren’t okay with. No one is a mind reader. If I make a joke, I am not going to have the foresight to think “you don’t like black jokes, she doesn’t like police brutality jokes” and so on. The listener must establish what jokes makes the uncomfortable so the speaker CAN adjust accordingly. While it is the speaker’s responsibility to adjust their jokes accordingly (unless it’s a room full of people, in which case it up to the listener to back out if needed. Comedians can’t satisfy everyone.), it is a listener’s responsibility to set the line so the speaker has a good idea of where not to cross.
Without the listener making that clear or having any signs of them not liking it, there is no way for the speaker to adjust the line knowingly.
There’s a difference between actual dark comedy and yelling Nazi propaganda slogans and expecting people to laugh with you.
There is a hint of comedy in posting blatant racism as it subverts your expectation of a joke being there when there isn't one, like an anti joke. But like any other anti joke this gets old VERY quickly and repeated posting gives the impression of actual racism
@@YoBoyNeptune You know what doesn't get old? A fetus from a pro-choice mother.
Also unvaccinated children.
It's like going to the loved ones of the victim of a violent crime and shouting "Hahaha piece of shit deserved it!" at them repeatedly and asking why they're crying and why nobody but your goons are laughing.
@@yousaysmn9410 and when surrounded by em, you eventually become one DX
@@icebox1954 See, THIS is actual dark humour
I always end up coming back to this video to digest dark humor jokes. I don't really have the mental capacity to understand dark jokes the moment they are "presented" to me.
Usually I'm just shocked and then I try to understand what the joke is neither offended or thinking it's funny for like a good while. Making it not funny, I know.
I'm just bad at understanding things I guess and watch this again because I realize I'm really dumb about it.
Anyway I like how educational it is ❤️
Volkeh is sorta like the kid that's quiet all the time in class but on the internet he's a monster
i was super super into dark humour for a while when i was like 15. and then after a while one day i just kinda looked around myself and said oh. these people arent joking. idk if they mean what theyre saying literally but there is no joke. they're just saying racist things and slurs. i managed to pull a few friends out of that surface level aesthetics shock humour pit of stupidity, and i managed to lose a few friends along the way too. i think i made the right call and i dont regret any of it.
That's the downfall of the anti-sjw space in a nutshell.
Good on you
Same. I'm an Asian, Muslim, and a girl and you can imagine all the eating dog, bomb, and "go back to the kitchen" jokes I got. I thought it was all jokes, until I realize they were laughing at me, not with me, and there were actual prejudice in their "jokes".
@George Floyd Hindsight is 20/20.
“Two men walk into a bar. One says “Nig-“” Haha funy jok
@@jonathan45564
That does sound like a good beginning to very funny joke if it’s executed well.
"ah yes im a fan of dark humor" *racism homophobia transphobia sexism*
Edgelords in a nutshell
This is what my mind jumps to when it comes to someone saying they like dark humor. Whilst I personally hate dark humor, I dont totally not tolerate it. If it's about personal exsperiences or other family members etc that you say on yourself, then obviously Idc. But if its something like "Hitler had a point tho" then ima just say "wow this person is a sad edgelord isnt he?" And go about my day. And even dark humor against other friends is cool as long as you know boundries and it depends on the joke.
@@lunita9391 that isn't what edgelord means...
Transphobia isn't a real issue. Only transwomen in poor countries die, american transwomen are the most privileged people on this earth. Like those who made matrix forgot their names
@@sovietunion7778 ...I'm not even gonna ask
"Luckily for me, 3 idiots arent any smarter than 1"
*f a t a l i t y*
I used to be a "snowflake" when I was younger because I just simply didn't understand because. Tiny fetus brain. I don't really consider myself a dark humor connoisseur now or anything, but nowadays I find the humor in it. For example, people making jokes about trans suicide rates. The joke isn't "haha it's so funny that trans people are killing themselves", it's supposed to highlight how much pain and suffering trans people often have to go through. So much so that a lot of them end up taking their own life. Something else i've also noticed is that when people make fucked up jokes about a group THEYRE APART OF (ex POC making jokes about racism in the police force and police brutality, trans people making jokes about how partners of trans people never have to meet their families, etc) it's done in the same manner. The joke isn't "look at these minorities suffering", it's meant to criticize why the tragedies happen. My girlfriend is trans, and she makes a lot of jokes like this. It's usually only people outside of these groups who misunderstand the point and just say "lol black people dying funny" because they don't have the personal experience to easily understand.
“Oui, oui, bagette, we don’t speak surrender here buddy.”
“Well maybe you should.”
best comeback ever lmao
The joke before that was also excellent.
"You know, I have the impression that if I were to explain all of this in French, you would understand nearly the same amount; that is to say: nothing"
This reads like one of those fabricated arguments you have with shampoo bottles in the shower
The implication that Volkeh is as smart as a shampoo bottle is interesting.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence what implication?
@@dracosmith7781 By posing FC as the person arguing with a shampoo bottle, they're saying Volk is the shampoo bottle being argued at
@@pancakes8670 I mean as in infering jokingly that the person is that intelligent so I was joking that they were stating the obvious.
@@pancakes8670 or to simplify what implication it's a fact.
I'm a year late, but I just want to say that Bowl trying to both diffuse the situation with comedy _and_ take FC's side at the same time because he knows FC is making a very valid point, makes Bowl my favourite kind of person.