Jesus Did Not Say “There’s No Marriage in Heaven” (feat. Jonah Barnes)
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Also - When Adam and Eve were married death did not exist. The fall hadn’t happened yet and death hadn’t been introduced into the world. Death wasn’t a thing at that point. So Adam and Eve were married eternally.
Think of it more that Michael was eternity married, before.
@@WatchingwaitingG2Dcrazy realization
Not until they are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil
And then they were kicked out from the garden of Eden
@@sionemataele7900 They were already married.
Cardon was in the Buenos Aires North mission? Cool! Me too, from 1997-1999.
Whoa! 2002-2004…
2012-2014 for me
Awesome me too! 90-92! When the Buenos Aires West mission was formed near the end of my mission i was transferred to that mission.
In Genesis God states that it's not good for man to be alone. Genesis 2:18
Yes! And also that they are one flesh, the man and the woman alone aren’t good 😁 what God has joined together let no man separate (paraphrasing, but it’s good stuff, not sure why they cherry pick that verse)
@@BenjaminJones0118 Thank you. Great comment.
And since there was no death in the world before the fall, the marriage of Adam and Eve was eternal. It is non-eternal marriage that was the deviation from the plan.
@@JD-pr1etyes, exactly!
@@JD-pr1etthe marriage of Adam and Eve has no duration.
Mark 10:99 What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate
Where would we be, without Brother Jonah!
Moral of the story: grammar matters! Know tour verb tenses, people 😂
Now please do an episode about hesed! I have been seeing/hearing hesed like everywhere since I first came across it on a messianic Jewish ministry website like six months ago. Pres Nelson wrote an article in the October ‘22 Liahona detailing how “hesed” IS the everlasting covenant; there’s a theory that it is the word behind the 159 mentions of “covenant” in the Book of Mormon; D&C39:11 says the fullness of the gospel is the covenant which will recover the house of Israel; some NT scholars think charis (charity) is the Greek equivalent of hesed (it’s most often translated as something like “steadfast love” in the OT; it’s a covenant and kinship term, but definitely also a kind of love). There are mentions in apocryphal works about Adam and Eve that mention an “everlasting covenant/covenant of peace” being the “net” that holds together all of creation (Margaret Barker has lectures about the biblical vision of creation and the covenant of peace if you’re in the mood for a lecture).
I’m also convinced this is what Joseph Smith was teaching the women (who had all received *every* ordinance offered in the temple) of the newly formed Relief Society about how charity (hesed!) and having the “pure love of Christ” (hesed!!) are vital; it’s the starting point for purity and unity with God. He also said, “if we have not unity we are liable to fall.”
Hesed is everything! More talk of hesed!! And male/female balance (God the Father could not be so without God the Mother. I don’t think She’s “just” there to birth/gestate/organize intelligences into spirits, however that whole process works...) Hesed and balance! These are my current soap boxes 😁 😂
Very good posting and question. I will look for an answer as well.
I always learn such important things when I listen to you guys and Brittany is just a treasure!
I've already listened to this 3 times and will save it to my WARD RADIO subheading: PRINCIPLES file. That file is getting long!
Best!
-ThePlagueFairy
Very “illuminating”. I feel illuminated. Thank you friends!
Great show! Thanks!
Thanks guys and Brittany!
Forgot........
1 Corinth 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, "in the Lord" (power of the priesthood)
I think also that the Lord meant by saying that they will be like angels, that he's condemning the men on that tale, indirectly condemning the sadducees of not qualifying to any eternal relationship with no one because of their transgressions and unbelief. The passage clearly says: "there were with us 7 brethren"
By the time of the resurrection the question of who is married will have been established. Marriage is so important, I think Jesus was giving a those who have ears let them hear, statement. Binding families, what could be more important?
another great episode!
Very enjoyable!
Thanks, Angela!
Very interesting...loved this!!!!!
Thanks, Crenshaw!
So was Jesus' answer of the 7 husbands in heaven merely a response about the resurrection to a Saduccee audience? Was there already an answer about who she would be married to?
Idk, good question. I was hoping he would answer that
The answer is obvious and thus needed no response. The story the sadducees were referring to was in the book of Tobit in the deuterocanonical apocrypha. In that story there were 7 people who had married one woman and they all had died one after another. So this was a well known story and the sadducees referred to it. Thus Jesus responded rightly that they know not the scriptures! Since the story of tobit was part of the scripture in those days, the sadducees showed ignorance to the teaching of that story. Tobias ends up marrying the woman who had prior grooms dying on her. Evil spirit was behind these deaths and Angel Raphael told Tobias how to expel the demon. Raphael says to Tobias not to be afraid to marry her, since she was appointed to him before the foundation of the world. So the story alone made it clear that the last man who married her was the rightful husband in the resurrection according to the scriptures since they were set apart for each other. Temple does this same thing for all of us
@@jaredite8388 Thanks for the insight. Still the temple brings the question of sealing. If a man is sealed to a woman, and she dies and he gets sealed to another woman, and the first wife never wanted to 'share' her husband as Sarah to Hagar. Is this binding on Earth and heaven negotiable even after it is made? I can't imagine divorce is a thing in the Celestial Kingdom, yet then again we do have free agency and even Lucifer divorced himself from God. Any thoughts?
@@jaredite8388 Am I missing something? Isn't Tobit a book about temporal suffering? Where does her marriage survive the temporal world? The angel Raphael relieves the suffering of those who follow god's will isn't that the story? But isn't it all temporal?
fyi her husband came to her without lust and they prayed as their first act as man and wife.
@@jaredite8388Hold up Dawg I appreciate the answer but are you saying that we’ve all obviously read the book of Tobit 😂??? I’ve never even heard of it but that’s probably just my bad
The law of Moses had a Levirate marriage, so the six brothers were all a levirate marriage. Which is a marriage for time only to give the woman children to support her in her old age. She was only eternally sealed to her first husband. And the Sadducees knew that they were just trying to trip up Jesus.
Really great Jonah!
Aww, thanks, Erica!
15 minute mark as the discussion of the Greek influence was great.
Hey! I served in Buenos Aires North too!! No wonder everything you say makes sense to me.
This is fascinating; thanks! By chance, can you provide a scripture reference in the NT that uses the Greek “imperfect” verb for being in a state of marriage? It’d be cool to see that verse and compare with Matt 22:30
It is an interesting argument, since the Sadducees were arguing against the resurrection as noted in the beginning of the passage. What is also interesting is that they did not even use a temporal or eternal marriage as an example. They used a Levirate marriage, which wasn't even a regular marriage. It was a temporary marriage until a male heir was born to carry on the line of the original husband. Then it ended. Th
Everything that Caesar has actually belongs to God, so Jesus is actually teaching that we should give all to God to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
No he means to follow the laws of man and pay taxes.
Jesus didn't even do that. He often broke Jewish law.
Remember what it says in D&C 29. All of Christ's commandments are spiritual and "not at any time have I given unto you a law which was temporal; neither any man, nor the children of men; neither Adam, your father, whom I created."
@@fightingfortruth9806 Jewish law not Roman law
Jewish law was the law of the land where Jesus lived. He broke their law.
And to be real, he also broke Roman law by paying avoiding paying taxes. He told his disciples to get a coin from a fish's mouth. Remember, that one of the accusations that the Jews brought against him with Pilate was tax evasion.
God's law always trumps man's law. That was his point in his "render unto caesar" statement.
I'm a Jw [well, a reformed one]. I agree on this. Goof job guys ♥️♥️♥️
Jonah is right on with his analysis of the original meaning in this passage. Good job!
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans will be above the angels, and will therefore rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
Thanks, DG!
@@benjamingregersen9777You are lying on the Bible and that's Blasphemy just like that Dude Jonah you both are Calling Jesus A liar
@@james8996 I'm not lying. But I can see that you are triggered.
How in the world does Jonah find all these gems!!!????? 💎.
So even though I am a member of the Church, my biker babe with three colour hair aged 70 and whom I love with every fibre of my being and who loves the Lord but not into the Church can be my eternal chick after this life. Absolutely!!
The problem is the word Resurrection>>>> the Sadducee's did not believe in life after death, and they were using this word hypocritically. Jesus informs them that there is no marriage in the "resurrection"..... because that is not the state of progression where marriage is performed. Resurrection is when we get an immortal body or mortal state
In Matthew 22, Jesus is speaking specifically about earthly marriage and he relates this kind of marriage to a sort of "dead marriage", he then uses the word, "But..." to imply there is a different kind of marriage, a "living marriage" because God is for the living not the dead. However he seems to leave it at that and does not expound on this point or this doctrine at this time.
I believe Jesus knew the people were not ready for this doctrine yet. That is why Paul later teaches that marriage is not that critical, that remaining single and celibate was a valid choice.
D&C 132 is the full "extended edition" of marriage in Matthew 22, and it makes perfect sense when you preface the section with the conundrum setup by the Sadducees.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans will be above the angels, and will therefore rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
@@benjamingregersen9777Revelation 1:6 Doesn't Saying Anything About kings and Queens stop lying on the Bible Revelation 1:6 says Kings and priests
@@benjamingregersen9777and you Mormons need to Read the Bible, Heaven will be here on this Earth , Ezekiel 43:7, Luke 1:30-33, Zechariah 8:3, Exodus 25:1-8 GOD is Going to live Among his people the Children of Israel After he Returns And gather them from the 4 Corner of heaven which is this earth
@james8996 I'm not lying. Pretty much every Bible commentary in existence will tell you that it means Kings and Queens. All your doing is revealing yourself to be a sexist. Bible scriptorians have said it means both kings and queens. C.S. Lewis said Kings and Queens. Various Bible translations say Kings and Queens. But I guess you don't like women so you feel compelled to exclude them from this marvelous blessing.
@benjamin You people always resort to ad holinem when you lose an argument. Just stop already.
What was the marriage ceremony prior to and during Christ’s mission on earth? I can’t see anything in Old Testament clarifying that it was required to be preformed at the temple in Jerusalem. Can you help with this question. This is also where we differ so much from basic Christians.
From what I understand, they were operating only within the Aaronic Priesthood, not the Melchesidic (sp?)
The Jews in Christ's day were already neck deep in an apostasy begun by King Josiah centuries before.
No celestial marriages because at that time, the Aaronic priesthood was active
You pointed out Matt 18:18 bind on earth bound in heaven. Matt 19:6 what God has joined together let not man put asunder. Matt 19:29 forsake family for gospel sake receive 100 fold. How unless continuance of seed?
Also look up the conversion of the Secretary to three popes and her finding. This doctrine was removed or left out of our now Bible.
Absolutely. No single people can enter heaven. Only man and woman (husband and wife) are allowed because only together can they resemble God's complete image. By being blessed in marriage by the Lord of the Second Advent, then all married couples will live in the Kingdom of God together.
The Sadducees were not challenging Christ on marriage. They came to Christ, knowing that he believed in marriage after death, to challenge him on the resurrection.
Ive heard some things about Jesus heing married. Can yall do an episode about that?
Ya just garbage, sounds like something from mormonism
I do have a question about this what if you want to be married in this life but no one finds you attractive I know the prophets have said if you desire to be in the celestial kingdom you will be there but what if don’t get married in this life can I the next?
There're are 1,000 years in the millennium. God will prove Just. A willing co-creator would never go overlooked.
Christ did say divorce didnt originally exist. You wont find any place in Scripture where marriage is mentioned with any indication what it would end. What other conclusion should we draw?
That’s the secret, marriage was man made almost 2000 years after Adam and Eve was kicked from garden, one flesh isn’t marriage, there is no marriage on new earth and heavens, because becoming one flesh isn’t marriage and it’s never defined as marriage, one flesh like the garden is what will exist
”Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.“ Matthew 18:18
I think the Evangelicals will say God's word is bound on Earth as it is in heaven. The Bible is a bound book. In heaven, they also bind books. Still, it doesnt answer why God would say, WHATSOEVER you bind on earth to mean Sola Scriptura or cessation of prophetic revelation.
I never heard anyone make that interpretation of binding a book as it relates to Christs instruction to his Apostles that whatsoever they "bound on earth will be bound in heaven " . That is a clear reference to the authority they were given not how the scriptures / words were assembled or the lasting power of those words.
@@outsideview9052 What is the authority Evangelicals rely upon?
@@jacobsamuelson3181 What they generally tell me is that they rely on their own desire to serve God to decide to attend a seminary and become a Pastor. The only authority they speak of is their education and ability to interpret the scriptures for their congregation. Of course, they say this is all supported by the Holy Spirit as given out to the Apostiles on the Day of Pentacost. It should be noted that Christs authority (priesthood) to act in his name was individually given to each Apostle. The same thing occured when they met together can called a new Apostle to replace someone who had died. It is an important distinction to remember.
As a none scholar ,but someone who does read the scriptures I would like to put in my two cents worth.
this is a prime example of different information shared by different author's, all of which share valuable information.
Matt. 22:23 Sadducees say there is no resurrection ,:25 there was "WITH US", :32 is Christ saying the Sadducees are spiritually dead .I my self believe so.
Luke 20:34 Christ distinguishes those asking the question as the "children of this world". Please read John 15:19 12:36, luke16:8 . look in topical guide under "children of light".
Thankyou for your podcast.
Thanks for watching, bro
The question from the Sadducees presupposes that Jesus believed in eternal marriage. Sadducees deny the resurrection, yet they asked Him “whose wife will she be in the resurrection?”
Exactly!
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans will be above the angels, and will therefore rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
@@benjamingregersen9777 my thoughts, exactly! Thanks for the explanation!❤
@@nancylowe2692 you're welcome! :)
Doesn’t the whole premise of the question assume that Jesus believes that there will be marriage in Heaven? The Sadducees are asking Jesus who’s wife she will be in the eternities which assumes that marriage exists or it at least assumes that Jesus believe it exists. They are not asking Jesus if marriage is a thing in heaven.
That sounds like a more appropriate reading of that excerpt.
@@allieooop3923 There's no marrying in heaven would be a better translation.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans will be above the angels, and will therefore rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
@@benjamingregersen9777 So why exactly do angels serve gods? What is it we exactly would be doing?
@braydenweese1407 That's a question for the Apostle Paul and John the Revelator, and of course God himself. They know more than I do on the subject. I just share what was taught by them. Jesus Christ commanded us, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." I do not believe that Christ commands the impossible, so he'll turn us into a god who can obey that command. 🙏
The better explanation from Bruce R McConkie.
“[Jesus Christ] is not denying but limiting the prevailing concept that there will be marrying and giving in marriage in heaven. He is saying that as far as ‘they’ (the Sadducees) are concerned, that as far as ‘they’ (‘the children of this world’) are concerned, the family unit does not and will not continue in the resurrection. …
“‘Therefore, when they [those who will not, do not, or cannot live the law of eternal marriage] are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage’ [D&C 132:16].
“That is, there is neither marrying nor giving in marriage in heaven for those to whom Jesus was speaking; for those who do not even believe in a resurrection, let alone all the other saving truths” (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3 vols. [1965-73], 1:606).
This is a prime example of how we (LDS) view the Bible as the word of God "so long as it is translated correctly."
In reality, mainstream christians believe that as well... IE you cant go 5 minutes without them "translating" it into what they think it means.
You are totally incorrect. Mormons actually have this one correct. Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans will be above the angels, and will therefore rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
Same belief as most mainstream Christians I speak with You can't talk 5 minutes without them saying well. ....That's a missed translation.... And then start talking about the Greek or Hebrew.... Same difference
This is something that we need to read the scripture from the beginning of the verse so we can understand what the scripture is talking about, the marriage between the oldest brother of seven siblings to that one woman, after the first brother died and didn’t have any children, so the second married her and he also died with out having children and so forth to the seventh brother died and also the woman died also, so the people asked God who is this woman after resurrection going to be with because all the seven brothers had her, so the Lord said you all made mistakes the marriage between these seven brothers and the woman were being done in the world way, the Lord was saying that none of the seven brothers married the woman in the Temple, which is the new and ever lasting covenant of the Lord, which means that the marriage in the Temple has to perform by someone who has the Priesthood of the Lord, and that is the Lord’s way
Matt 19: 5-8
I dont understand the proposed answer to this question. This woman was married to the first brother (did that include being sealed? ) and then after her husband died based on Jewish law she effectively became married or became the responsibility of each of the husbands brothers one by one after they each died as well. The question wasnt "who will she "get" married to" after the resurrection but rather "which" marriage will be recognized in heaven.
When the Apostile's were given the priesthood they were told that "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven". That should mean that if you were married with that priesthood authority, your marriage should continue in heaven.
This scripture in Matthew certainly makes the issue less clear about the status of marriage in heaven. The truth is, most every Christian has a generic belief that they will be reunited with their spouse in heaven. Will they continue to act and believe that they are still married or will they simply become "one of the many" deciples of Christ and somehow put that earthly marriage relationship behind them? I dont think any of those people would chose to do that.
You left out the best parts. Different sects of Judaism had different ideas around which books of the Bible were canon. The Sadducees did not accept the resurrection because they only accepted the first five books of Moses as scripture and found no explicit reference to resurrection.
Jesus instead quotes from the Book of Genesis to point out that resurrection is supported even in the small portion of the Bible they accept.
When will Jonah be promoted to Full Professor?
So if there are no "weddings" after death, how does that fit in with the teachings that a single woman will have the chance to be sealed after death?
It doesn't say there are no "weddings" after death, it says there are no "weddings" in the resurrection. We know there is time between death and the resurrection, where Spirits in "prison" (I call it school) have the opportunity to accept ordinances performed on their behalf by mortals - this includes sealings. So after death but before resurrection, "weddings" do occur.
In D&C 132 it talks about David's fall an how his wives were given to another by God. It doesn't elaborate whether they had a choice in the matter, but obviously God would choose perfectly. It does indicate that they were kept together.
What did the early church fathers say about marriage in heaven? They knew Greek.
16:29 Not coorect. That is the where the theological explanation of celibate church leadership is grounded but the cattholic church allowed non-celibate priests and bishops up until the tine of Pope Gregory (of both Gregorian calendar and Gregorian chant fame).
That's true, but the foundations of the doctrine of celibacy were laid as early as the Council of Elivra in 303 AD. And in the end it was absolutely hellenism that generated it.
8:17 according to a catholic priest I spoke to on my misson Peter was polygamist. But I never found any info in this.
If they lived the law of Moses, they must have lived or at least accepted polygamy with the law of levitate marriage.
Of course my favorite scripture on eternal marriage is found in Genesis where God made Adam an help meet in Eve and married them Gen 2:24-25. Death had not yet entered into the garden therefore Adam and Eves marriage was eternal
Love you guys. I probably fall more into the "woke" bucket that you harp on, but I'm big enough to agree to disagree ;) That said I thought it was funny, in the Mississippi Nick reaction episode, that when someone said they cared more about your content than politics Jonah quipped that "We don't talk about politics" (Or something adjacent). I don't know if it helps or not, but I know -I- personally get defensive when you start lamenting "woke". Not because I agree with all of it, but I do agree with aspects of it. In a similar way I get defensive around those farther left when they start using terms derisive of the right. Because I also agree with things farther right of me. Maybe find a way to discuss ideas and groups without resorting to loaded language such as "woke", just because of the baggage it carries on both sides.
All of that is to say, you guys very much "get political", but not in the sense that you go after those topics directly, just how ideologies respond to topics of concern.
Still love you, and love this topic, it helps when approaching my protestant family (I'm the only member in most of my family, some cousins were LDS, kind of, but realistically, I'm it). Keep up the good work.
Three points. 1) Genesis 2: 24-25 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his WIFE: and were not ashamed." So who married Adam and Eve in the Garden? Definitely not Satan or the animals. It could only have been God. And what does it say about what God does? 2) Ecclesiastes 3: 14 "I know therefore, that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever, nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it; and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." Since God married Adam and Eve, they are still married, and shall be married after the resurrection, and FOR EVER. 3) Mathew 19: 3-9 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. Therefore what God hath joined together, let NOT man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was NOT so. And I say unto you, That Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." So if God is putting these marriages together, and what God does it is FOR EVER, then marriages have to be Forever, unless they are not done through God. Paul adds 1 Corinthians 11: 11 "Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord." So not only is marriage eternal, it is essential.
From Elder Talmage in his book, Jesus the Christ:
"The Lord's meaning was clear, that in the resurrected state there can be no question among the seven brothers as to whose wife for eternity the woman shall be, since all except the first had married her for the duration of mortal life only, and primarily for the purpose of perpetuating in mortality the name and family of the brother who first died.
In the resurrection there will be no marrying nor giving in marriage; for all questions of marital status must be settled before that time, under the authority of the Holy Priesthood, which holds the power to seal in marriage for both time and eternity."
Ok, no weddings in heaven, kinda ruined my theory for those who di not get the chance to get married
Luke 20 is better, Jesus said the people of "this world" marry, the Mosaic law was of this world. Its an earthly law.
Jesus said he is not of "this world". He says they will recieve "that world" and they are children of the resurrection. There is no promise of becoming sons of God or eternal life.
The Jews understood the concept of eternal marriage but back there as Lehi was leaving Jerusalem thy stoned the prophets and so lost the higher Priesthood with the authority to bind on earth that which was in heaven.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because because gods are married but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
The fact that Jesus is asked which brother the woman will be married to in the resurrection presupposes there is the relationship of marriage in the resurrection.
@allieooop3923 Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise, Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speak volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would be above the Angels, and will rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "Neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
@allieooop3923 if you read my comment, you would realize that I already said "like angels" or "as angels" in my original comments. The point that you are obviously missing is that the Bible itself clearly indicates that there are redeemed humans who will become god's, and will be nothing like angels. They will sit with God in his throne and will rule over angels as Kings and Queens. The Bible says this stuff, so you are arguing with your own family Bible and not me.
@allieooop3923 I wasn't even making an argument about species to begin with, so you can shut up with that nonsense. You are obviously attempting to change the subject at hand because you can't answer it. If deified humans are gods, then they are by definition nothing like angels because they are above the angels according to holy writ. It stands to reason that gods will be married for eternity if they are not angels or like angels." I was never making an argument about species because that is wholly irrelevant to this discussion. It really doesn't matter what their species is. It's a useless conversation, which is why you obviously need to find a better argument.
@allieooop3923 you should tell that to Joan of Ark. History informs us that Joan of Arc spoke to Christian Saints, who became angels. Joan of Arc likewise testified that her angels were flesh and bone, which sounds extremely familiar to another angel named Moroni. There's absolutely nothing in the Holy Bible that says that angels are a different species. If they are such a different species, then why did the homosexual men at Sodom and Gomorrah want to have sex with the male angels who were eating dinner in Lot's home???? Obviously, those male angels had bodies if they could eat food, and gay men wanted a piece of the action. How did the gay men even see the angels at Lots' house if they didn't have bodies. Obviously, the angels had bodies of flesh and bone, which means that Joan of Arc and Joseph Smith were both correct.
@allieooop3923 Saint Catherine was a Christian Martyr who was Sainted by the Catholic church even though she said that Catholicism had fallen into Apostasy. She tried to save the church from Apostasy. They called Catherine the Dr. of Christianity for that reason. Interestingly, Saint Catherine said that Jesus Christ visited her and gave her a wedding ring. She said that she was eternally married to Jesus Christ. This is Christian history, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Latter-day Saints. Just think about that for a moment.
The Sadducee's question seems to presuppose that marriage did not end at death and the woman would still be married to all of the brothers: "who's wife of them is she?"
Jesus' reply was within the context of the circumstances of the day. The Law of Moses does not teach "til death do you part", however, the Jews did not have the Higher Priesthood at that time and therefore did not have the Sealing power. (Mark 12:24) Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Jesus was explaining that none of the brothers would still be married to the woman because none were sealed by the "power of God".
The Sealing power was given to the Apostles through their ordination to the Priesthood and later made active on the day of Pentecost when they received the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 16:19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The Sadducees actually setup a wonderful point. Applying their thesis to modern LDS doctrine, how do you reconcile temple sealings when a spouse dies and then the living partner seals to another again? How do you reconcile the sealing of the children of the first sealing to the second sealing? How do you reconcile all of their descendants? To which family are the descendants sealed to?
The answer, of course, is polygamy. You cannot have marriage sealing without it.
You make a good point. If I may clarify one thing, we often have a mistaken understanding of the sealing of children to parents. Children are either born in the covenant, or sealed to parents which entitles them to the same blessings as if they were born in the covenant. Some have the idea that parents will be living with their children in a family setting with their children. I knew a sister who told her children that they would not be with their father since the parents divorced and th mother remarried and was sealed to her new husband. I had to correct her, and reassure her children that they would indeed be with their father in the same sense that they would be with their mother. Children will be sealed to and living with their own spouses. They will be free to visit, see, and associate with whomever they choose. Earthly children aren't going to living in a heavenly "house" with parents. They will be doing their own thing, with their spouses, in the eternities. Kind of like it is now.
This is the "Doctrine According to Me", but this is how I reconcile it: There's not multiple "types" of sealings. There's just one. What I mean is, there's not a "familial" sealing and then a "romantic" sealing. The sealing to my parents, the sealing to my spouse, and the sealing to my kids is the same sealing. So, I'm sealed to my spouse, she is sealed to her parents. Therefore, I'm sealed to her parents as well. We're all trying to be sealed together as one giant, human family. So, someone being sealed to multiple people is not a big deal. As far as marriage in the afterlife goes, I don't know how that's all going to work. God will sort that out, and He'll do it in a way that makes sense in the grand scheme of things. It's our job to seal, and it's His job to figure out and make it all work. It's our job to keep His commandments, even if they don't make sense to us.
So my mom told me about this RS lesson on sealings she had been given years ago. She said the teacher had been going through her sewing basket, thinking about how it all “works,” and pulled up her needle, connected to this massive, tangled ball of thread, and she thought, “oh! It’s like this!”
I’ve also heard accounts of this “everlasting covenant/covenant of peace” in apocryphal works about Adam and Eve that mention this covenant as the “net” that holds together all of creation. If you’re in the mood for a lecture, Margaret Barker has a couple that discuss this topic on CZcams: “the biblical vision of creation” and “covenant of peace”; the first for an orthodox Christian audience, the second in Rome, I assume for a mostly Catholic audience. Barker also mentions how she thinks this “everlasting covenant” is this Hebrew concept of “hesed” AND Pres. Nelson wrote a Liahona article about hesed being the everlasting covenant in October ‘22.
There is also a theory that “hesed” might be the word/concept behind the 159 mentions of “covenant” in the Book of Mormon, aaaaand in D&C 39:11i think it says the fullness of the gospel is the covenant that will recover the house of Israel. It’s all hesed!!! Hesed is the binding/sealings/covenant/attitude/pure love of Christ/charity/reason for being! (It’s also the word that is usually translated as “steadfast love” or something similar in the OT because it is a covenant/kinship term that doesn’t really have an English equivalent. It is definitely also a kind of love).
Your argument is faulty because eternal marriage doesn't work that way anymore because Levirite marriages were part of the Law of Moses, which ended long ago. Eternal marriage is differently under the New Law. So your argument is actually pretty dumb, just saying.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise, Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speak volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as kings and queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. There is no doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "Neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
Isn't there more the history that story of a woman re-marrying ? It was some common parable back then that had its own meanings wasn't it?
Years ago my evangelical anti-Mormon cousin said you don’t even know there are not marriages in heaven I said you’re right, there will not be marriages performed in heaven that’s why we do eternal sealing/marriage on earth. He also said that he will literally be a part of the body of Christ I asked what part? elbow? I do believe that we have Pharisee and saduceed on Earth right now that think you have to go back into your mother’s womb in order to be reborn just saying.
Lds here...I was raised catholic. And catholic did does not come after other religion because the church focus on themselves. I never growing up hard a preiest or other members during mass speak ill or bash other religion. It was never a thing.
Right out the box wrong. The woman cannot be publicly announced to the wife of the brother in law because if she is then the son belongs to him. The woman is still bond to the husband who is dead and through the proxy the child belongs to the deceased husband. Well I have videos on the subject check them out. Just ask for the link
If people knew anything about the views of Judeo thought regarding marriage at the time, they would absolutely say that marriage goes into eternity. It was a well known doctrine. This is why the doctrine was part of Islam and other religions in the middle east.
One key point is that Jesus was not asked the basic question of whether a man and a woman would be married in the resurrection. If he was asked that question there is no reason to believe he would have answered it in the same way he answered the question that was given to him. He was given a convoluted question regarding types of marriages that had a specific purpose as found in Duet 25. LDS do not see these types of marriage as being of the same nature that people normally marry. So the answer Jesus gave was based on the type of question and conditions the question that was asked. LDS do not perform these types of marriages or sealings and really the answer given is a moot point as it does not address what LDS teachings are. The question itself shows that the idea of man and woman being married in the resurrection was an issue of concern or discussion in those days. Why would Jesus be asked a question that nobody concerned themselves with or thought was a real issue. That would be a complete waste of time by the critics of Jesus.
which would imply her first husband?
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You are not wrong, but you’re missing the big picture. In any “Bible-bashing” discussion like this each participant is always doing one of two things, he is either promoting his own belief system or he is knocking the other guy’s beliefs. Always. So someone in this discussion must have been preaching marriage in the resurrection. Otherwise there is no reason to have the discussion. It would be like Evangelicals and LDS arguing about reincarnation - neither of them believes in it, what is there to argue about? Someone in this discussion must be preaching marriage in the resurrection.
Now are the Sadducee’s promoting their own beliefs? They can’t be, since they don’t even believe in the Resurrection, they certainly can not believe in Marriage in the Resurrection. They MUST BE trying to knock the beliefs of the other guy. So the other guy, Jesus, MUST be preaching marriage in the Resurrection. Or there is reason to argue the topic.
Then what he says is that “they” ie the Sadducees who were “with them” are angels forever, not everyone for all time, because they haven’t made the required covenants.
It's actually really simple, Jesus was saying that the Sadducees won't be getting married because they don't believe in the resurrection anyway!! And good people who refuse to follow God will be angels rather than receiving all blessings
15:25 Brother Barnes, you need to distinguish between the Greek pantheon and Neo-Platonic Greek philosophies whose multiple embarrassingly human-like gods they long since abandoned in favor of one, ultimate, absolute and philosophically flawless god they called, 'the One'.
"Socrates and Plato held that (God is) the One, the single self-existent nature, the monadic, the real Being, the good: and all the variety of names point immediately to mind. God therefore is mind, a separate species, that is to say what is purely immaterial and unconnected with anything passable." (Plutarch, in Eusebias, Preparation for the Gospel 14:16).
Despite Paul's warnings against Greek philosophy (Col 2:8), the Christian Fathers began to align their ideas of God with the philosopher's expectations, "Whatever attribute therefore you require as worthy of God, must be found in the Father, who is invisible and unapproachable, and placid, and (so to speak) the God of the philosophers" (Tertullian, Against Marcion 2:27).
The Neo-platonic God was not only strictly monotheistic, it was also devoid of any anthropomorphic (human-like) characteristics. To the Platonic Philosophers, God would never associate Himself with flesh, or any matter for that matter, for in their philosophy all matter was by nature evil, which influenced Christian ideas about the corporeality of God, as well as ides about the evils of the flesh (extreme self-denial, self-abuse, lifetime vows of celibacy).
Thanks, Trey. I only get 20 minute bursts, so I can go too deep everytime.
See Genesis 2:25 3:6 & 3:12 notice how Adam and Eve are married in the garden. Before sin ever even takes place.
Yes! Exactly!
But please notice they are not living in eternity, since they have not eaten from the "tree of life". Once they rebelled against God's word and ate from the "tree of good and evil", they became corrupted, and God warns that they must not eat of the tree of life, and thus live eternally in a corrupted state.
@MaryLeonard-mj9ng your order is wrong, they were not corrupted when they were married. They hadn't eaten of the tree of knowledge yet. They didn't the tree of life yet. Marriage predates mortality.
The key word is *_THEY_* .
Compare Luke 20:34-36 with D&C 132:15-17 and you will find that those who are the Children of this world
(as opposed to the children of light) shall be ministering angels neither marry, nor are given in marriage in the resurrection.
"For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation,
in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever."
I agree with you, however im not a Mormon church of latter day saints, I dont go to any church but I'm going to find a church that doesn't teach jesus meant we literally will not be married in heaven, as it contradicts the purpose of God creating Adam and Eve. I can't follow mormon church because I don't follow joeseph Smith.
Cardon, you’re awesome bro, but you (as we all) need to listen better…and in this case, to your wife. I agree with her and believe she was correct when she pointed out that who Eripages meant was Jesus Christ. The statement implied that they were unaware of any place in scripture that Jesus Christ taught about eternal marriage; but if Jesus did teach about it, please help inform them.
I'll be honest...I don't know if I follow your logic with the marrage thing. So God isn't saying there won't be marriages, but rather they won't have weddings?...So no new marriages?.....how does that answer the question of which man will she end up with since she was married to them all.....right?
Law of Moses had a levirate marriage to protect women. She was only sealed to her first husband, all the other marriages were to give her children to take care of her in her old age, because women could not take care of themselves. The other 6 brothers men would have been married to other women and had their own children with the other women.
@@libertylady208 I agree with what you said that she would end up with the first. But what does it matter if what Jesus said just means there are no weddings in the resurrection? Ok, they had levirate marriages(never heard of that before)? Forgive my ignorance, but you said she was sealed to the first, but... were the jew's familiar with couple sealings? Lol, not anti, just uninformed apparently. If sealings were a thing at that time, why aren't jews still sealed today?
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise, Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speak volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
The word marriage and marrying in Matthew 22 30 is referring to sex not the bond between the man and woman. I can prove it.
I need explanations. Teach me what you know.
@@spideyN8R and Jonah can never be wrong because He is God. Not
Marriages are not performed in heaven because it is a saving ordinance that is required BEFORE you can enter into heaven.
I believe marriage is the requirement for completion/exaltation, but endowment is the requirement for entrance to heaven/celestial kingdom. I don’t think you’re barred from the celestial kingdom without being married, as you will be a ministering angel, as it says in D&C. I’ve heard stories that that’s why Joseph “married” a little old lady who was like, “oh, I’ll just be an angel,” and he said “nonsense” and was sealed to her.
@@gingersnaps215 You are right. I didn’t clarify that for the non-member readers, but I meant exaltation.
The Shadow is right. Cardon is erring
This scripture is an example of why the King James Bible should strictly be used. All other versions have changed the original language to reflect what they believe, which is there is no marriage in heaven. The key to understanding this scripture is the word they. The they in this scripture are the Sadducees. The Sadducees were not believers in Christ m none of them. There is no account of a Sadducees ever becoming a Christian. However, many Pharacees became Christians, chief of which being Paul. So, would Christ be telling the nonbelievers they are going to heaven? No. The comparison to angel is what there immortal bodies will be like, neither male nor female pertaining to sexual organs. If you follow the word they, realizing Christ is narrowly answering the non believing Sadducees, you realize He is specifically answering the Sadducees, not everyone. The account of Lazarus and the rich man given by Christ in Luke shows that we do not need a body to live, because we are intelligent spirits housed in a mortal body. The Bible also clearly teaches that everyone will be resurrected and immortal. None of us were in the garden of Eden when Adam made a choice that affected all of us, so it would be unjust for God to punish us for a choice we had no say in. For that reason, Christ's atonement causes all of the children of Adam to be resurrected and immortal without repentance. Knowing that we live without a body as eternal intelligent spirits, why would we even want a body? To be able to do something with a body we cannot do as spirits only. That something is copulalte. Christ created heaven and earth as a spirit. We sang and shouted for joy as spirits. Jeremiah was sanctified and ordained a prophet as a spirit. We fought a war as a spirit. We can do all things as a spirit except copulate and eat and drink. Our ability to copulate as mortals is the reason we still die, even though Christ paid the price for Adam's transgression over 2000 years ago. Literally we could be immortal from birth right now. God gives us time to learn to live the law of chastity perfectly, so we can be trusted as an immortal with sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had. God does not need procreation to make any of us. He made Adam and Eve without procreation. He made enough fish and bread from two fishes and fragments without procreation. I wrote a book 📖 n this subject, by the way, if you want a free copy Ward Radio.
16:10. The "idea" that women should be "quiet" or "silent" comes from the Bible in more than one place (1 Tim 2, 1 Corin 14). It is true doctrine.
Silence is a virtue. God can speak to us more easily by His still small voice in silence. This is why prophets prayed in the silence of the mountains, and this is why we ensure the temple is a quiet place.
Silence is a wonderful gift God has given his daughters. How often does our Heavenly Mother speak We? We should not look at this at all as "anti-woman", it is pro woman.
Thank you, beautifully written and a great point
Silence is a great place to access the spirit and hear God but we absolutely do not believe women are given the gift of silence and should be silent in things. That is not a doctrine that is taught over the pulpit or in any modern day revelation, including lds canon scriptures. Women can have opinions, speak, just as men and both can partake in silence and feel the reverance of the spirit.
I'm sorry, but you're just straight up wrong. The standard is the scriptures, and the Scriptures are clear on this. I am really tired of members blatantly fighting this to placate their secular feminist philosophies.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Maybe Heavenly Mother speaks more than we think. And it is simply us who are deaf and avoid listening.
Given what we are taught in our Doctrine about the importance of Eternal Marriage, why wasn't Jesus married...or was he?
Jesus intentionally leaving his wife a widow?
Jesus obeyed all of the commandments including multiply and replenish the earth given to our first parents.
@@gbengoosewuru4139 a widow? only for three days!
@@avoice423Source for that comment?
@@gbengoosewuru4139a widow? Seriously?
Even in our semi-butchered English translation, "nor given in marriage" should be a HUGE clue to the actual meaning.
Given in marriage? Oh. Right. Women are property. Is that it? Jesus is being largely repetitive while reminding us that women are property? Of course not!!!
It's a tip, a clue, harkening to the original Greek, that Jesus is talking about the ceremony, not the union itself.
Why don't other Christians believe that?
Because their theology is an endless string of forcing square pegs into round holes. You make one error, A, and see how it contradicts with something, B. Instead of taking a new look at A, they double down on it and invent new reality to explain B. It's all OVER the place.
No resurrection. No marriage. Original sin. Baptizing infants. Jesus is the Son, but only one God, so homoousiis.
Joseph said, if we start right, we will end right.
Well, they didn't start right. This isn't just through the glass darkly. This glass is shattered and distorted.
You can't expect to get step 27 right when you already screwed up going from 1 to 2.
I hope not. I'm not up for an eternity of nagging and being belittled. Earth was enough.😅😅
What’s bound on earth is death do you part marriages and what’s bound in heaven is Eternal Marriages.
Actually, yes! This is true. Jesus was saying your weddings are dissolved anyways. But God's Sealings carry over thru death
@@jonahbarnes5841That is a lie , After Jesus kingdom is done and the great white throne the Father's kingdom Comes down from heaven that's the end of Mankind my GOD who is Teaching you people
That was Paul that said women should be quiet... did not originate with the creeds. Then again Paul taught a lot that goes directly against what Christ taught.
Paul said a lot of things, the Creeds chose what to codify.
@@jonahbarnes5841 Paul quoted Jesus, what, once in all his teachings about Jesus. Pretty sus.
John 15: I 15 juxtaposed with Romans 1:1 should tell you all you need to know about Saul, also known as Paul.
@@jonahbarnes5841 yes, that creeds codified the the teachings of Paul that were anti the teachings of Christ.... Which almost all of Paul's teachings were.
@@Beef_it_to_be_fit well, not Baptisms for the dead, or clergy working day jobs, or the three degrees of glory, or two levels of priesthood, or the offices of the priesthood hierarchy...
@@jonahbarnes5841 nah... Just the entire gospel of grace in dozens of DIRECT contradictions to Jesus' words.
Jonah... celibacy arose because of the expense of supporting all those priests with their wives, mistresses and children. It was sold as a gift from God to help purify the church. Eastern priests may still marry but monks do not.
Jonah we need your book. Can you give me some recommendations for this line of thinking on Greek thought? Sounds Gnostic to me.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speaks volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would rule over the angels and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as Kings and Queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because because gods are married but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
Do you believe Abraham and Sara are still joint heirs together as husband and wife in the grace of life?
1 Peter 3
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as Being Heirs Together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
Wow, argument form silence is your proof? 😂
Also, the Orthodox Church still teaches a couple becomes one and stays one while they pass on to the other side. The difference is what marriage actually looks like.
The idea of priest celibacy comes from the Roman Catholic. Our orthodox priest always get married
This is why I believe that our church and the Orthodox Church have the most in common. We also agree that the Catholic idea of Original Sin isn't quite right, in the sense that we are not born guilty of Adam and Eve's Fall from the Garden, though we live with the consequences.
No idea Jesus spoke Greek
Almost everyone in the area spoke Koine Greek along with Aramaic. Latin and Hebrew were specialty languages to deal with Romans or Jewish scholars.
In the Catholic faith, we do agree that Jesus is saying that there are no new marriages in heaven. The point we are making is that marriage, in the worldly sense like bringing forth children, the marital bed, etc...won't be in heaven, but definitely the relationship that you had with your spouse and even your family will still be in heaven - you will just be even more united to Christ in heaven!
Also, catholics don't believe that marriage is bad, not in the slightest lol Marriage is a beautiful vocation that God has called some people to! The beauty of celibacy that religious men and women take (Priests, nuns, etc..) is all for the glory of God and His Kingdom. Married people glorify God and celibate priests and nuns glorify God, just in different ways! :)
And, "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven..." is referring to sin. That is the point of that whole section in Matthew 18 that Jesus is talking about how you are to correct your brothers and sisters in sin.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise, Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speak volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans are above the angels and would rule over them and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as kings and queens. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. There is no doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "Neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
Why would that question even come up if there was no eternal marriage?
LOOOOL. Nice saVE. Helluva stretch. but then again most mormon doctrine requires a stretching of credulity. The bible wasnt created from a recording o jEsus speaking. His exact words were interpreted by the Authors.
We agree completely. That's why God Restored His Gospel thru living prophets today.
@@jonahbarnes5841who get things completely wrong most times. Not really a reliable way to go back to God.
There ARE Mom jokes. A Mom joke is a joke about being a Mom (or a wife).
So how many of Joseph’s predictions didn’t come true?
Doesn’t the Bible say how to identify false prophets?
And warns that no other prophets shall come until Jesus returns?
Joseph restored a the true church…
For it to then split in to multiple churches.
What was the point of God doing that?
What church is true then?
Why is the church changing for society?
How many times has the church changed because of people, and not for God?
The teachings of the Brethren have always remained the same. There have been no splinters of the Church. Just progressives and fundamentalists that are prideful and are dissenters.
Joseph Smith prophesied things that did happen and many that are happening and several that will yet happen in the near future. The term church is misinterpreted and misused today. Joseph did not try to establish an organized religion as it is today, he tried to establish Zion, a society with equality, based on God's eternal principles, a people united in their love and with all things in common, no rich nor poor among them. Unfortunately, that didn't work out due to the iniquity among the members, lust, greed, envies, strife, adultery, etc, all that polluted their inheritance and prevented them from establishing Zion in Joseph's days, he was murdered and did not see Zion established. Those who came after him, abandoned the idea and the commandment to establish Zion and focused on control, authority, power, money and more lust and other iniquities, hence their curses and persecution that led them to be driven away from their land. Zion will yet be established in America but unfortunately not by the Gentiles(This term in the Book Of Mormon is referred to all White Europeans that came to America) Zion will be built by the remnants of Jacob (The Lamanites/ Natives of the Americas/ Hispanics and other Latino groups who are descendants from the House Of Israel) Only the true repentant Gentiles will be called to assist the remnants, all others will be swept off the face of this land when the judgments of God fall upon this land. I would suggest that you study the Book Of Mormon along with other Bible prophecies so you can understand what is happening in America right now and what is coming soon. The LDS "Church" is not the church of Christ, it is an institution that has been corrupted from within and does not have God's true power to lead people to Zion or safety from the storm that is coming. If they don't repent they will be utterly destroyed, all these luxury temples will crumble to dust when the sword of justice fall upon them and it will fall, even Joseph Smith prophesied about that, the destruction will fall upon the church first due to their iniquities, lies, deceit, corruption, priestcraft, etc. Everything Joseph Smith prophesied will be fulfilled because he was a Prophet.
The bible does say how to identify false prophets. There is no warning that there will be no prophets until Jesus returns. The church was placed under condemnation, which has not been lifted. As jesus warned, the wolves will come in sheep's clothing. That's our time. Hence why 'the church' changes for society.
there are still questions about marriage in heaven.
that must be answered.
to get to the celestial kingdom we must be married.
suppose ... a man and woman marry in the temple for all time and eternity.
but after death we find the woman has been cheating on her husband for years,
committing adultery.
this disqualifies the woman.
however we find the man has maintained all his covenants,
and is fully qualified to be in the celestial kingdom.
except, he is now not married.
there must be a way for him to develop a union with a single woman who is also qualified for the celestial kingdom.
in other words they can marry.
this also takes care of the billions who died without either the gospel, or the chance to marry on earth.
and i thought the sagguceees did not believe in eternal families anyway.
and wives were given to brothers so the wife would not die of starvation, etc
You're right, Grayman. Christ will work it all out. But central to the Plan is Women, Marriage and Creation
No, you aren't correct. You don't need eternal marriage to enter into the celestial kingdom. You need eternal marriage in order to become gods in the celestial kingdom. There is a difference.
Christ's statement that these particular men won't be married in heaven because they will be as Angels literally means that gods have marital relationships in heaven, but angels don't, and those who are like angels don't. Otherwise, Jesus Christ would have said that nobody has a marital relationship in heaven, period. But Jesus didn't say that at all. Jesus Christ instead emphasized that angels don't have marital relationships. Doesn’t that speak volumes??? It does to me. Furthermore, it is 100% Biblically false for anyone to claim that all humans will be as Angels in the Kingdom of heaven. The Apostle Paul taught that deified humans would be above the angels and would rule over them and judge them. The Apostle John likewise taught in the Book of Revelation that deified humans would sit with God in his throne and rule over the Angels in heaven with a scepter. The Book of Revelation likewise says that deified humans will reign with Christ as King's and Queen's. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the title of King and Queen is a royal marital relationship. Marriage is extremely important to any royal family because it's the very thing that keeps the royal bloodline going for generations and generations. The truth is that we humans are in God's royal family, and marriage is very important to God. This is exactly why the Apostle Peter taught that husbands and wives will be heirs together in the grace of life. This is most definitely an eternal statement from Peter. No doubt about that. I can quote many other biblical scriptures that support the doctrine of eternal families. The earliest of the Christian church fathers from the first three centuries taught that humans have the divine potential to become gods through the grace of Jesus Christ precisely because that doctrine is easily found in the Bible, and it's an ongoing theme that runs through the entire Bible from beginning to end. This is exactly why Paul said, "Neither is the man without the woman, and neither is the woman without the man, in the Lord. That is what I call an eternal statement. Remember that God said, "it is not good for man to be alone." I sincerely don't believe that the God of heaven would change his mind about that. The redeemed humans who become like God, rather than becoming like the angels, will be married in heaven because gods are married, but angels aren't. This is the true Biblical doctrine that is taught here. True story!
@@jonahbarnes5841
of course.
i know that.
that was the point of my comment.
@@benjamingregersen9777
which does not change my point.
one person in the marriage can fulfill their covenants, having good faith in their spouse,
and find out later they have been betrayed.
so there has to be a way for that person to be rewarded.