How Reliable Is The Porsche Taycan?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- How reliable is the #Porsche #Taycan?
In this video we'll be discussing some of the #campaigns surrounding this car and what you should consider if you're looking at one.
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TAB, love the channel. I've had a 2022 Taycan RWD 93kWh for a little over a year and ~15k miles. Love the car, build and handling - including a wonderful 4,000 mile trip from NY to Austin, TX and back with no issues at all. BUT NOW... it's been at the local dealer since Oct 12th [yup going on 4 weeks] with 2 battery cells (of the nearly 400 in the car) causing a fault. Porsche can't quite decide what to do with it. Replacing 2 of the cell modules (there are ~33 in the car) is not something the local Porsche center has ever done and requires a fancy piece of equipment they don't even have. So maybe another month in the shop. Every heard of anything like this before? Happy to chat more.
Good luck I’m on month three. You will have to have a specialized shop Forman fly out to your dealership to do the cell swap. Some dealerships are specialized for it however they still won’t let them do it without the shop Forman from Atlanta being there
Good luck! Where in NY? I’m on Long Island and wondering if you’re at one of the local dealers here.
Appreciate the kind words, Mark. Will try and keep the content coming!
Is it water ingress? Your car is about the right time for the APB2 recall if it's after sep '22. Hope they get it sorted soon. An ICE engine swap is faster...
@@SighTology I'm on the north shore of the sound in Westchester. Dealer has been great (gave me a Macan to run about in while the Taycan is in the shop) but the Li battery is pretty complex, so they need support from German.
Any updates?
Signed papers for a 02.2022 Taycan. Words cant describe how incredible the car was when I test drove it. As a German car enthusiast since childhood, I always loved Porsche and in January I will be taking delivery. I have a full year of porsche approved garantee which means I dont have to worry about anything :D
The worry arises when the warranty has expired, and you find it's nearly impossible to sell because hardly anyone is buying privately. I would be hesitant to purchase used with mileage above 20,000 purely because you have no way of knowing the condition of the battery. For example, has it been charged using a fast charger, and how has that affected the battery depletion and the overall range?
Yes I was one of the early adopters. Ordered a 4S the day it was announced and had a 2020 model. Did I have trouble, oh yes. Main battery replaced, controlling electronics also, heater and numerous recalls. Did I love the car? You bet. Was everything fixed? Yes. Have I sold the car? Yes, only because my Taycan GTS ST had arrived.
Fantastic reading this - you have a good approach. I think what they've done with this car, in such a short space of time, is still worthy of much praise!
Main battery? As in the primary very expensive one?
Probably replaced under warranty@@DeltaCharlie27
“Only a few little issues”? It’s a brand new car, it should have zero issues for that price! And you say the build quality is good? 🤦
Bought a 2016 porsche panamera. Loved the look and feel of the drive. Car only had 36k miles. Drove it 9 months had to major things happen... cylinder 3 wireing needed to be changed. Then the air compressor for the suspension locked up. Replaced $900 part $600 for nitrogen gas. Over all its a hell no I'll never do that again.
That's pretty unfortunate, hope things are looking better now!
I had planned to purchase one of these last week until I realised that if you opt for 21-inch wheels, an additional £5000 expenditure is required to acquire 20-inch winter wheels, as only summer tyres are available for 21-inch wheels. This is unless you wish to drive throughout the year with summer tyres, potentially endangering yourself and others. Moreover, with 15 years of no claims, I would be faced with a car insurance cost in the thousands. Now that you've highlighted these issues, which are genuinely helpful, it has completely dissuaded me from considering the Taycan, especially since I reside 60 miles from the dealership. Additionally, the uncertainties of long-term issues once the warranty has expired, and the exorbitant cost of fixing these cars, further raise concerns. If I'm paying a premium price for a car, I certainly do not expect any problems. I really don't see the appeal or positives with EVs overall, and I've delved into researching them extensively over two weeks. Initially, I was considering it as a company car, but the depreciation outweighs the benefit for capital allowance. Moreover, selling EVs privately seems nearly impossible. Once you purchase an EV, be prepared to keep it forever or sell it for a fraction of its value because nobody is buying these cars privately, hence the depreciation. The EV market is far from ready. It's madness.
Appreciate the comment. Yes, with your situation it sounds like it wouldn't quite work right now. Revisit it in the future when hopefully everyone's had time to adjust to EVs.
I might give it another go this week, but I'll negotiate hard with the dealer for a 10% reduction. Currently, I can secure a Taycan at £60k with numerous extras, brand new, and considering the tax benefits, I find it appealing as it covers depreciation for the initial year or two. Personally, I want to avoid the hassle of owning an unreliable car, which is the biggest turn-off for me.
I firmly believe that electric vehicles (EVs) represent the future, and as technology advances, both the vehicles and batteries will see significant improvements. I anticipate a drop in battery prices this year for manufacturers, potentially leading to a reduction in overall vehicle prices. Eventually, as manufacturers phase out combustion engines, the depreciation pattern we currently see with EVs might shift towards used combustion vehicles, as people make the switch.
Despite these positive aspects, I still harbor doubts about the feasibility of a complete ban on combustion engines by 2035. I personally view it as a potential scare tactic to drive sales, and with each new government, there might be a continuous postponement of the deadline by five years or more.
On a personal note, I find your videos highly informative. Many individuals who own expensive items, such as vehicles, tend to avoid mentioning any drawbacks. Therefore, I truly appreciate the honesty in your content.@@TABonTV
Thanks again. Some wise words there and food for thought. Good luck with the negotiations. 👍🏻
your reviews are great and you speak facts, great :)
Thanks! 🙏🏻
I think the collision thing is when front sensors get dirty i have had it on my EQE
Yep, usually the case I think.
I've had a 2021 Tyacan and I am not sure if its just been my vehicle but there have been so many problems happening. The car has been at the dealership for repairs for longer than I've been driving the car. I've owned it for 9 months now and I've only really been driving the car for 3 or 4 months. I just got it back after they repaired the car due to the fast charging not working. Before the fast charging not working I had just gotten the car back 3 weeks prior.
That's not a good ownership experience, I'd look at options with the dealer you bought it from...
I’m thinking about purchasing this vehicle used! Anyone with 15k+ miles have any issues?
Have a Turbo S. for last 3 years. Very fast, tight, comfortable. Interior great. Good space as well. 12V failed leading to PCM replacement. Heater failed too, now replaced. Total of 20 weeks at Porsche mainly due to lack of parts (PCM specifically). A lot of car for £65-75K and 5000 miles on clock. Pricing has been a disaster and has fallen off a cliff, so as you say good value to be had for a Hypercar. New Taycan has 360-420 range Vs 190-210 miles on current model.
Sorry to hear that. Sounds pretty painful.
no issue , now 50.000 kM , a real pleasure for daily drive
Good to hear! 👍🏻
To extend the porsche warranty it’s circa £1k Pa. I’m surprised, as Porsche usually know how to charge).
Absolute no brainer to buy the warranty.
Not only with a Taycan but anything new.
I’d say it’s especially important to extend the porsche warranty in this case as alternative repairs are not very common.
The battery and motor warranty is also 8-year / 100k.
Agreed, warranty is definitely the sensible approach
You should do a video on how to get good priced taycan car insurance
I'll add it to the list 👍🏻
Its classed as a Hpercar by many insurance agencies, hence teh ridiculous prices..try LOCKTON
Amazing when it works for sure however getting a bit soar on it since it’s been in the shop the past three months.
I feel your pain. What's up?
Bad battery cells, high voltage charger, and booster. Cells just need the specialist to be flown in to replace.
DO NOT BUY 2020~2022 MODELS
You will encounter so much problems. There are some reasons why this car depreciates so rapidly. If you are planning to buy, buy 2023 and later models. They fixed majority of problems.
I wouldn't say that, as long as all the recalls and any remedial work has been done you should be ok. Key thing is Porsche warranty.
I have one I ordered new. The car is spectacular in every way. Depreciation. LOL. It’s made to be driven and driven hard.
Love the attitude! Enjoy it!
Mate, just used a new Taycan GTS from Porsche for a couple of days and it’s amazing but the depreciation stopped me buying it. The car had 1000 miles cost £130k. We buy any car valued it at £68k 😭
Get an older one which has depreciated more? Plenty out there.
Take WBAC values with a pinch of salt.
Whilst a good a good tool for valuing the generic stuff, it only indicates their appetite to purchase that particular vehicle at that time, its not representative of the market as a whole.
It also doesn’t take into consideration configurations I.e a maroon Taycan with a red interior, small wheels no pano roof and chrome bits isn’t going to sell well in the general market. Also, optional extras, which on porsche can be considerable are not taken into consideration either and can impact values massively.
A more accurate way is to obtain an offer from porsche (though expect a kick in the balls) or try motorway where you upload the full details onto their portal and dealers bid for your car, that said in my experience they’re terrible to deal with.
Pro tip: Never buy a base model Porsche. 4S and higher trims or bust. Surprised the heck outa me after driving both that the Taycan 4S/Porsche 4 wheel drive system handles better than even the legendary Audi Quattro system in the rain and snow. No problem driving this car fast as fk in the rain and snow with peace of mind
Agree, 4WD versions with air suspension are some of the best road cars ever made
What year is your taycan turbo S? I have a 2020 TTS manufactured in June and there is a dreaded rattle on the upper driver side door where the plastic cap meets the window. There's another rattle around the sport chrono clock are vent. These rattles happen mostly when I'm in Sport Plus mode as the body becomes quite stiff or when there is bassy music at level 15+. Another issue is when I back into a parking space, I hear a creak coming from the frontal area. Might be a squeeky control arm. Finally, black screens in the middle of driving sessions usually 3-5 mins after leaving the house or intermittent flickers of the screen as if it was reset but quickly turned back on again (happened after I updated the software ). Taking to car in tomorrow to get the rattles out after finally identifying the exact point and stuffing the door card gaps between the metal panel and plastic with foam pieces. Blank screen has been updated before with new software but still happens. Squeeky reverse is hard to replicate and never shows up when I'm at the dealer. Other than that, appreciating the car the longer I own it after 7-8000km. Was a little underwhelmed at first coming from a tesla but fully appreciating the handling and the sheer power that mimics a high horse powered N/A. Thought about selling it for a Cross Turismo before the year crosses over but might just keep it given that market tanked big time.
Glad you're (mostly) enjoying it. I'd just keep on at the OPC to rectify anything you're not happy with.
I hate that the center counsel doesnt have a spring or something. Super awkward to plug in charger or put the phone in the Qi charger. Qi charging is pointless at least for my Pixel 7 Pro, as it dies faster than it chargers. The charging efficiency seems like that's has been Qi charging in vehicles in general, as my Pixel wireless charging stand works flawlessly. 3K in only issues I have had is the PCM freezing, had to do the two finger salute. From time to time I look like an idiot at the EA chargers, wont let me pull out the charger without locking and unlocking several times and pressing the charger button.
Yes, I'm not sure how the design of the lift up console got signed off. I often find myself browsing hammers on my phone whilst trying to keep it held open... 😆
There's a black turbo s for sale on auto trader for 73k. Can't remember the exact mileage but it wasn't sky high or anything. That's a seriously low price for a car of this type.
Absolute bargains right now
Greet video... thank you. Lookign for inputs out there. Just bought one 2021 14000km like new, with 1 yr left Warranty, naturally will be getting the extended 3 yrs warranty later. May I ask about the battery warranty as its only 8 years , so what heppens after that?? Do you think Porsche will offer extended warranty for battery after 8 yrs?
Thanks! I don't think they will, or if they do it's going to be very expensive - because it's guaranteed to deteriorate at some point.
I can't believe an EV vehicle that does not have one pedal driving and the Porsche regen is so weak you have to use the brakes! So you have to have a brake job where most all other EVs never need a brake job.... Good review love to get one, but will wait for one pedal driving like my Rivian R1S.
Not quite, the regen is applied by the brake pedal and it applies before the pads kick in. Regen is very powerful, 4 times more kW than Tesla so pads have a 6 year service interval. Thanks for the comment!
Eh, that’s a WHOLE lot of recalls for a new model, all of which seem to be for serious issues. As a 991.2 911 owner, I would not be interested in having to do so much research before buying a relatively new used car! I am hearing that Porsche enthusiasts should run a mile from the Taycan…….. I with them !!
It is a few... New models do tend to have a few things to get right, it hasn't put me off. Still love the thing.
Would love to upgrade my Tesla to a 2nd hand Sport Turismo.
They're going cheap now! Get a test drive, you'll enjoy!
He is worse than Tesla fanboys. Lol. Np brake issues. What's the big deal. Heaters not working. All good. Oh water is getting inside the battery no issues. What a joke.
Do we have to change the battery after 4-5 years and what price is that?
It's not so much about age but charge cycles, that's what will wear out the battery...
My driver side door has rattling sounds when opening and closing, and only this door. Weird and annoying.
Have them check it out under warranty...
@@TABonTV yep, will do.
Hi Tab is there a particular model or years that gives the main issues
Generally earlier bit there are some later periods, e.g. battery recall
@@TABonTV thanks mate i buying a 2022 model (Jan registered), i checked on line no recalls against the car....should i be worried around issued you raised in this great video ??
@@kengormley4530 Hi. I considered buying a used Taycan but I went on ahead and got a new i4 M50 (on my channel). Personally, I wouldn't consider any Taycan before MY23... too many niggling issues. I went with the M50 because they're relatively more reliable and brand new cost less than a used Taycan 4S (both have dual motors & similar 0-60 & HP).
From what month/year to buy?@@TABonTV
How about battery deg?
These are all still relatively new, so my take is more data is needed...
Thanks for that.....i am looking for a Taycan ...i notice a lot of models (at Porsche dealers in Sydney) have LOW KM 2000_ 3000...i worry if the owners didnt like them .....or did they have too many faults...will neded to ask a lot of questions before i purchase 😢😢😢
Could be many reasons why they're low mileage. But - great for a buyer.
I think electric cars will lead to the end of Porsche. I just do not see any advantage to buying an electric Porsche over a Tesla. The charging network is the killer for Tesla. Porsche to me is all about the sound their flat sixes make.
Porsche will start using Telsa's charging network in a few months (next year) so that's not an advantage. Regardless, both manufacturers aren't competing for the same customers. I went with the BMW EV without testing any Tesla... but I looked at the Porsche. Anyway, Porsche isn't ending anytime soon when the new 911 will still have ICE (hybridized engines) that make noise for you traditionalists.
Just shows that you didnt drive both cars. Tesla is good value for money to be fair. But driving the taycan ist 2 Levels above. I agree to everything he says. Love my taycan turbo so much and I had a targa gts which was great too.
I don’t agree. Teslas feel like a little toy to drive, the Taycan is so far ahead in so many ways.
@@tzj21 I have only driven a Tesla and gas powered Porsches. Maybe I am wrong. I will try one. Honestly though the allure of Porsches to me is the 911 looks and the sound of the engines. Manual transmission as well. I just think with the advent of self driving cars and electric motors evening out the speed playing field that super cars like Ferrari, Porsche etc... will be hard pressed to exist in 10 years. Unless gas powered vehicles win the battle to continue to be the dominant vehicles produced. Which they hopefully will
@@alanbaxter5897 your analysis omits one important consideration: who is the target customer AND are they looking to buy an EV? A Porsche or Ferrari level Customer who is in the EV market is not looking at a Telsa for EV driving. They are looking at an established manufacture with a track record of manufacturing luxury vehicles. I went with the 2024 i4 M50 without even considering the Model 3 Performance or any other Tesla. And I am happy. If I had the budget, I would've gone for the Taycan 4S (my preferred choice). Keep in mind that this is my first EV ever (and I still own an ICE car). What will likely happen is Tesla's market share will shrink drastically - even while being #1 in market share because, they've had the entire market to themselves for so long. It's inevitable that they will loose market share and that partly explains why they are opening up their charging network pretty much to the entire market (Porsche, BMW, Benz, etc) by next year or 2025 at the latest, as an added revenue stream.