The Porsche Taycan battery scandal that has been kept hidden
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- The Porsche Taycan battery scandal that has been kept hidden
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I put a deposit down on a Porsche Taycan 4S last year but changed my mind when I learned about the 12V battery drain issue, Porsche dealer was clueless and denied there was any problem, bought a Tesla Model S instead, SO GLAD I did.
You escaped a lemon and house 🔥
Buy Tesla 🇺🇲
@@larryc1616 Yep it was a good decision!
Are you in Australia? If so, how long did you have to wait for your Model S? On what date did you order the Model S.? ( I have had a Model S on order for more than a year).
@@jameswalsh8837 No I'm in the US, it took 9 months to get my Model S long range, ordered April 2021 and picked it up end of January this year. The wait can be very dependent on which wheels and interior you choose. It's worth the wait though!
Lol unlikely you did either of those 2 things. And I say this as someone who owns a Model S and my wife owns a Taycan 4S.
First there was diesel-gate, then there was battery-gate. Don’t tell anybody.
Just surprised that it took so long to FLARE up. 😂😂😂
The challange for car manufacturers coming late to the EV business is: learning cycle where they sort through such issues. The Taycan is a great first attempt, but reliability takes time to dial in. This prevents manufacturers from scaling up fast. This is another huge advantage for Tesla. Also, the europeans and GM have overly complex electronic systems. Tesla is simpler and more robust.
And military grade according to Sandy
@@christianvanderstap6257
And to a great extent modular
The Taycan is "a first attempt" (apparently not so "great"?) That was years later than it should have been.
A legacy of the "Tesla will fail .. ignore them" mentality exhibited by so many.
@@rogerstarkey5390 The Taycan has been a great sales success for Porsche and it was the fastest production electric car you could buy until the Plaid came along. For supercar manufacturers it is probably harder to take that big leap to all electric. Even Tesla has been pushing out the roadster.
@@sailingsandy7971 @Sailing Sandy
None of which contradicts my points.
It was years later as a "first attempt" than it should have been.
Doesn't exactly have to sell in great numbers to beat other Porsches.
Its harder NOW to "take the big leap... As I said, they informed Tesla. Big mistake."Supercar"? Model S (old version) says "hi". It's compromised. Same physical footprint as the S, poor packaging
.
The roadster is from a different galaxy.
Battery and EV safety and technology constantly improve. Car makers that adapt survive. Millions of ICE vehicles have been recalled as fire hazards already this year here in the USA.
Germans pride themselves on quality and engineering. Or used to. I have a VW. It's brilliant. However, dealing with the company (not the dealership) is a nightmare.
You're right.
If you search "(brand of car) recall, fire risk" it's terrifying.
A bunch of BMW models (ICE) were even banned from South Korean roadways due to fire hazards.
*VW group is a nightmare.*
Not to open up old scars but Ferdinand Porsche's attempt at making a diesel electric
Tiger tank ended in the tank catching fire. Just saying!
lol, well he was WAY ahead of his time - without the tech to back his vision - and just couldn't make it work. Those tanks were all SO overweight (heavy batteries).
@@BrianAllenWS The technology must have existed because the U boats were diesel electric and those tanks did not have heavy batteries because they were diesel electric. That is diesel turns a generator that powers an electric motor. The German's knew all about it. Porsche's tank had some small problem that caused the fire. He was not given a chance to correct it.
diesel electrics like those presently used in trains don't use batteries for this system.
Meaningless comment.
Make it. Deliver it. Let insurance deal with it. Same guy that came up with THAT is now running the ENTIRE VW Corporation. He WILL set the World on fire - one EV brand at a time.
The Felicity Ace sinking was the worst of it and Porsche is VERY lucky all the evidence is at the bottom of the ocean. The weird thing is Audi didn't use that charger, they opted for the better one.
What do you mean? Audi Etron GT is the same J1 platform, with the same parts.
@@Krihoe Have you checked the parts catalog? Every report I've read says the charger part is different.
I have a turbo s and I had 1 issue after getting the car where the car would not go over 20 mph, it was fixed by the dealership by replacing a cooling valve but no other issues so far. 2020 model and had it about 8 months for now. Fingers crossed
BYD Tang seems to use 350kwh per kilometer at 70 mph on the highway. Very inefficient. Better check into this.
You sure your unit is correct? kWh is a lot of power.
I believe all of BYD vehicles are inefficient
That’s why you do not really see them around America. Our MPG or eMPG will always bring in less then other countries
One of the Porsche whistleblowers last year said 90 cars caught on fire. If Tesla had anywhere near that number it would be front page newspaper stuff. Some famous CZcamsrs like Shmee 150 got rid of their Taycans and never looked back.
VW has apparently been involved in a lot of shady automotive related issues over the last decade at least. If this is true about Porsche (I have heard this other places as well) what do we have to look forward to when the current head of Porsche takes over responsibility for the entire VW operation. How many corners will they cut to try and catch up to Tesla?
Holy shit, had forgotten that it's the Porsche guy taking over until I read your comment (when the Diess departure was announced I stopped paying attention to VW). VW is so screwed by losing Diess!!! OMG!! I had such hope for them!
@@BrianAllenWS yes, warn your friends! The shady behavior can only spread across the whole VW line now that Porsche's guy is at the helm,
@@richf3654 the Porsche guy taking over VW going by these disturbing reports he wont be cutting corners he(VW/Porsche) will keep cutting until they have a circle,i mean look @ the vw diselgate scandal there attiude to sell crap treat the customer/regulators worse has not changed one bit, NHTSA ought to outright ban any Porsche EV sales until there is a proven fix witnessed and audited by NHSTA (maybe Munroe can audit the fix)
All the German companies have been running scams from emissions to batteries.
Unfortunately there is more. VW Group has also been involved in a lot of shady non-automotive related issues. Blume (new VW Group CEO aka head of Porsche) lobbied hard for efuels to be not banned (new legislation intended to do so) and bragged how he managed to influence a German minister to overturn the ban on efuels.
Hey Sam, and thanks for this, and so many other, updates in the EV world. It is clear that a number of manufacturers have rushed into the EV market before they had everything in order, to the detriment of their customers. As with all newly developed and introduced technology, it is always better to wait a few years for it to mature before buying into it.
The lack of over the air updates seems a big omission for this premium brand and not learning from other car manufacturers mistakes another, arrogance or stupidity hard to define!
It is ironic how they criticize Tesla and Elon Musk on their dead lines, but this is exactly the reason why, Tesla goes to extreme lengths to test their tech and make sure it is ready to be delivered. That's why it has taken so long to release the Cybertruck and the Tesla semi, they are being extensively tested.
Actually, generally the older manufacturers do more testing. Tesla delays are usually from trying to perfect new revolutionary manufacturing techniques. Those delays are down to getting the battery manufacturing to actually work (DBE & 4680 tabless format) & GigaCasting issues.
The Semi, Roadster2 & CyberTruck all need high density fast charge 4680 in massive quantities & 4680 production is still not at full ramp yet.
If your advice were followed no new technologies would emerge. Sometimes it’s worthwhile supporting something you like the idea of even if it’s in its early stages.
@@alexmanojlovic768
"Actually" delays in this case are more likely to be due to *not having built the factory* ?
Plus well documented "issues" outside their control.
As for the cell density, quantity required and production rate ..... You're guessing.
Great reporting mate!
Is there a list available of EVs with LG batteries?
Call your local fire department they will know.
Well, am pretty sure the Zoe uses them, but a different version which seems to not have this issue. There have been very few Zoe fires for the around 400,000 vehicles sold so far. So it's not all LG Chem cells, just a lot of them. It's really time for EV makers to stop buying LG cells...
A friend of mine had a recall for his Taycan to „repair something“ which took several days & he wasn’t even told what was the reason.. Wonder why..? 🤦♂️
was it a friend if yours or the uncle of a friend of your sisters? thanks for the anecdotal confirmation bias
The picture in minute 4:00 shows a burned down Tesla
I'm surprised the marine insurers haven't required special fire supression systems for any vessel carrying EV's.
Only the ones with LG Chem batteries
Yes, it is very surprising if Volkswagen has covered this up. They are normally very transparent with their failed constructions, aren't they?
About 1 in 10,000 Bolts caught fire. Porche has a nearly 50% larger pack, but that doesn't get you to 1%. That number is way too big.
The 12 V battery issue is not unique to Porsche. Volkswagon ID3, Hyandai Kona electric, Ioniq 5. Kia e-niro have had similar issues with their 12V battery system. I wouldn't even be surprised Trsla owners to have had them too (seeing you could acces the 12V battery in older Teslas to access the 12V battery for maintenance. Battery Life CZcams (German) and other CZcamsrs have also reported on 12V battery issues. I think that was the reason Elon Musk switched to Liion 12V batteries in their newer models. Elon also mentioned in one if his interviews lately that he found the 12V system inadequate in modern cars. 48 V would be a better system (I believe it was perhaps an interview with MKBHD). Imbalance issue is a constant problem with every EV. And is not unique to Porsche. I think even Tesla is constantly refining the BMS. Without a BMS in consumer goods people are going into problems with cell imbalances. I don't know in what manner the thermal runaway due to high power charging with a BMS applies. I can't imagine this could be the case because a BMS always tries to power up cells equally. Having said that cell imbalance issue having been a bog issue in many consumer goods. I myself have run into this when buying second hand power tool lion batteries from high end tool manufacturer brands. Many were defective from the start and could not take a charge. On inspection of the battery many in series and parallel we're imbalanced which causes the charging to stop prematurely. There are simple techniques to bring them up to balance and then they work again. Just look across many CZcams videos on this matter, it is amazing to see how common this issue is. It goes to show how important a good BMS is. And the clue unfortunately is that fast super charging is unfortunately not good for the battery life, no matter how much we want fast charging to match the convenience of the perceived fast fill up of an ICE vehicle. I think it is going to be an interesting future with EVs wherein the global society is going (to have to) be smarter and more knowledgeable to own and maintain and understand an EV in abstract (atomic,electron level knowledge and advanced physics), than the more concrete knowledge of screws, pipes and pistons and suck squeeze bamg blow (basic physics).
you have a good understanding of how batteries actually work. Supercharging should be a quick fix for distance driving on the road but a slow charging done at your home is the best way to prevent batteries from failing prematurely. I had a Prius that I used to work alot on it to repair battery issues. The problem was that the entire pack was in series. No parralel or redundancy. Once a single cell failed, the entire car failed. And no 2 cells are created equal. I designed a way to independently parallel balance the cells but eventually got tired of other things breaking down that I abandoned the project.
Das Problem mit der 12-Volt-Batterie haben fast alle modernen Autos. Sämtliche elektronischen Helferlein, die stets zu Diensten sein wollen, saugen permanent Strom. Da hilft nur, wie bei meinem E-Auto, ein Ruhemodus, der sie mit Ausnahme des Empfängers für das Schlüsselsignals abschaltet. Das heißt aber auch, dass die zum Auto gehörende App nicht mehr funktioniert. Aber das Auto tut das, selbst nachdem es wochenlang abgestellt war.
Google translation:
Almost all modern cars have the problem with the 12-volt battery. All electronic helpers that always want to be of service constantly suck electricity. The only thing that helps, as with my electric car, is a sleep mode that switches them off with the exception of the receiver for the key signal. But that also means that the app belonging to the car no longer works. But the car does, even after being parked for weeks.
Teslas used to be known for killing the 12v battery. Not a flaw inherent to EVs, it was just the way Tesla designed their system at the time. If the DC-DC converter is too wimpy (and many of them are), the car will be forced to tap the lead acid battery more than it should.
@@ClockworksOfGL Nothing to do with the capacity of the DC/DC. But the cars computer needs to wake up every now and then, check the 12V battery and top it up as required. Tesla fixed that with a software update. They might have a higher phantom drain but they look after themselves better than others whilst parked.
All manufacturers should think about going to cell to pack configurations like BYD blade. Apart from the intrinsic safety of LFP being an advantage, being able to monitor the exact voltage of each individual cell is a much safer set up.
A parallel group of smaller cells can have one or more underperforming cells within it but there's no way of detecting this before it's too late and fire ensues while you're tucked up in bed. 😲
I disagree..you can detect it, you only won't know which in the group is the broken one..also it's expensive.
Which politicians have an investment interest in any of the companies concerned with the fire issues, there’s no smoke without fire and there’s no coverup without a politician in the sideline 🤷🏻♂️
This is very interesting. Thanks.
The website carfigures reports that through July 2022 approximately 20,000 Taycans have been sold in the USA. How could a recall of 43,000 be issued last year?
With so many different companies building new models of electric vehicles, with different takes on battery technology; I expect the next couple of years will be a shit-show of recalls, burning cars, scandals and bankruptcies.
I think Porsche has had electrical issues for long time. 1993 911 (964) & 1998 911(993).. both would drain the battery if it was left unattended for 4 days. If you drove daily no issues, dealer said nothing wrong. Ended up putting the car on a charger anytime it wasn’t driven. Really pissed when the replacement did the same thing.
interestingly enough I have previously owned a 964 and currently own a 993 which I have had for 22 years and I have not had a battery drain from either of these vehicles during my ownership. The 993 can easily go 4 weeks between startups without a battery tender and without issue, Just saying ..
9:04 Mostly True ~ The Radio/Amp/On Board Computer ~ Heated Seats/ ~ & 12V Socket Stay Electrified While Car Is Sitting ~ If You Don't Drive Your Car For 4/5 Days Your Battery Won't Be Charged By The Alternator
This was very very prescient. Following you for this.
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Wasn’t Porsche bragging about setting a new record at the Nuremberg Ring? Maybe it’s built for the track only.
Sam, thanks for speaking truth!
If I had to charge cells in parallel prior to stacking in series, then I would leave the cells to rest while still in parallel for a long period or at least until they had naturally cooled. Then initiate a further top balance of the series stack. Kind of defeats the fast charge objective a bit.
Liability implications boggle the hitherto most unboggleable mind.
I had an ID.4 with battery timer charging issues, and an issue where it would only charge at a low rate intermittently. The dealer acknowledged the problem after the car's computer log reported it and told me nothing could be done until a software update. Despite a promise of regular updates every three weeks or so none were delivered after six months of ownership.
Funny how Musk & Herbert Diess are good friends, MUSK OFFERED to help Porsche with BMS software, but Porsche said "no thanks" & sacked Diess.
Well done Porsche.
Who wants to buy a 2nd hand Porsche FryCan.
@@alexmanojlovic768
"Frycan"
Nice!
You're going to annoy the PFBs with that one!
@@rogerstarkey5390 TBH I like Porsches & I think VAG were unfairly blamed for the whole DieselGate scandal. All ICE manufacturers pulled the same con, but the way Porsche are burying this, they deserve all the flak they get.
@@alexmanojlovic768 No, it wasent the same. All fossile manufacturers have higher emissions than what they are approved for, but this is in reality due to bad testing methology.
What VAG did was much worse, they made software that detected if the car was under testing. That made the car go into a "green" mode, which reduced emissions (but also engine power). In reality this means that the cars were much dirtier, also they were playing the games and cheating competition. Just think if you are a competitor with an engine and you can only deliver 90 HP with emissions approved, but VAG then comes and produces 120 Hp with same emissions or maybe lower.. So nobody buys your car and you go bankrupt.
Thats basically what happened, then they got caught and they cheated again.
And after that, VAG, Porsche, BMW and Mercedes wanted to prove how safe diesel emissions were, so they set up a joint lab which gassed monkeys and humans with diesel fumes from a VW Beetle and an american pickup truck.
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde Really??!!
How about FCA (Fiat Chrysler Auto).
Renault, Nissan, Opel (GM), Jeep, BMW, Mercedes
Documented & most prosecuted in various countries, as all using defeat devices or software that performed differently under certain conditions.
You talk out of your posterior!
The insurance company for the Felicity will want its money back. If this comes out properly. Ouch.
Do you have the documentation for the 60% number? I have had mine for two years and have not had any issues.
Of course he doesn’t. We are still waiting for the whistleblower’s stats to be verified with REAL FIRES!
This is VERY exagerated. It was in Danish national news back in '20, that 50% of Taycans had battery issues. One caught fire out of +700 Taycans sold at that time, a software update solved the issue.
Software didn't solve the issue, it just reduced charge state. Porsche was telling people to charge at 200kw instead of 250kw.
@@Victor-vj5ds nahh, solved, we have a great deal of friends with Taycans. Problem solved, and no words of charging at certain peak, that cannot be controlled.
@@Victor-vj5ds non issue now, easy software fix
@@Kpizzo it was not a hardware fix the pouch cells where physically restricted from the cooling plate by being stacked on top of eachother. This caused in even degradation the BMS was not able to detect and caused over charging on the weakest cell that often ended in fire damage.
@@MissMiaFit nope, it wasn't solved. They just did a bunch of stealth recalls to fix the BMS, unfortunately the pouch cells still have poor cooling and why you see a tiny warranty on the battery with many restrictions around charging that could void it.
LG HAD AN ISSUE WITH REFRIDGERATORS CATCHING ON FIRE AND BURNING HOMES .
Sam, can you advise if Tesla are using LG Chem ?
I saw a video the other day, talking about Tesla getting BYD Blade batteries, but also, I thought, LG Chem, as well.
Tesla uses Panasonic, CATL, and now BYD.
This is a problem with Li-ion type of lithium batteries such as 18650. They can start a fire and explode. This is different from the more recent Chinese EVs in which LifePo4 batteries are used which is much safer although with slightly lower energy density.
Soon they will be known as Portch, as where they will be sitting mid-days.
tesl has the most quality errirs and fail plastic interior. most fires are from Tesla's
Delusional
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and strangely the president of Volkswagen resigned recently. Merci pour ces informations
No .he got FIRED 😂😂😂😂
@@lesliecarter4295 you’re right 😊
Porsche, leaders in design.
🔥⚡🔥🔥
I would never have thought a Porsche Taycan would create a huge oil spill in the ocean.
Hyundai Ionic 5s have had a similar problem with the 12v battery system rendering the cars dead in the water.
A VW group company trying to cheat or coverup a problem… hmm must be a one time event 😏😜😆
Excellent video !!!
Someone needs to teach this CZcamsr some science. 800V means you need less stronger current (lower amps) not higher. Clueless fellow - as bad as the Tesla short sellers, only on the other side of the spectrum. Please stop making Tesla owners look like some cult of crazies. Most of us like EVs and own multiple brands of them.
It's Volkswagen. I'm not surprised about anything that comes to light about VW's actions or ethics
Porsche is often pronounced incorrectly with one syllable instead of the correct version with 2 syllables and it seems to follow 1 Non European version vs 2 European version.
This smells of the VW Group's cover up of the defective Hitachi coil packs shipped with engines in Passats and A4s. All 4 or 6 coil packs were known to be defective to VW but they sold the cars, and replaced them when cars died and towed back to dealerships. But VW only replaced the dead coil pack and returned the car to their customers with the remaining 3 or 5 original coil packs. Repeating the process with more failures and cars disabled. Owners had to keep towing their cars in for warranty service. All this was to avoid a federal recall in the USA. VW Group is the worst. They eventually got threatened with a recall. And this took place around 2000, before DieselGate.
Owned 3 VW Golfs in a row over 2011-2021 and had no problems with the cars or with the service network. Put 99,000 trouble free miles on my Mk 6 and followed them with a Mk 7 and then a Mk 7.5 Golf Alltrack
@@DavGreg does not negate his point.
Had a 2000 Passat.. has so many issues both design and dealer cheating on maintenance….I dumped it after 18 months and bought a Volvo…
Hyundai handled the LG battery recall best, GM dragged their feet before starting the recall but this Porsche handling is way worse.
Well, mine has still not had a new battery, and Hyundai wont tell me when to expect. This is in DK, Europe.
I have the same IKEA cabinet in the background
The problem is LG batteries and OEMs having too little understanding how to manage charging batteries.
The problem is that the high 800 volt battery. The high power may be to high for the current technology. Most EV use 400 volts .
The mainstream in germany covers it, but only sees one single incident per article but not the whole coherence.
Awesome video, The Porsche Taycan has a beautiful front, back, and side design but unfortunately, the car battery is not good, it is either catching fire or dying.
Nice work
Yup. Two companies I avoid. VW and LG.
The British CZcams Mcmaster had a video of him traped in his Taycan due to the 12v battery fail. He really is not enjoying his EV experience.
💀 German auto makers 💀
Well, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you are dead wrong. There's no fire issues with the battery pack in the Taycan, and no issues of the battery either as you claim. There's the occasional bug, but most has been addressed. Some have for unknown reasons had the 12V battery issue, but that's also a small percentage of the cars. And most of those issues have been fixed. The car hardly use electricity while parked, and the car will charge the 12V battery from the main battery pack. There's several users that have had their car parked for months, with no issues at all starting the car. For instance, having a Tesla parked that long will not be possible without having it connected. The reason I can say all of this for certain is I own a Taycan, have several friends with Taycans, and I'm in several Taycan groups on Facebook talking to other owners. Owners vent about any issue. Fire would absolutely be one of the issues they would vent about. There's just about only small bugs reported as problems.
The loss of power issue was a real problem, but it wasn't anything crazy causing dangerous situations. And they recalled cars to fix the issue.
No clue where you're getting all this cover up non-sense, because, that's simply not true.
Porsche has the lowest faulty rate of all the German brands. It's been that way for years. And for good reasons. They may be in the Volkswagen group, but it's something completely different from the likes of the other brands in the group. You might have to have own one to understand.
I've had two Tesla Model S before I got my Taycan. It's not a bad car, but it's no where near the quality of a Porsche, nor the performance. Sure, the PLAID is faster in a straight line, but the confidence of the Taycan through corners is totally different, from the Model S PLAID. Again, you need to have driven both cars to feel the difference.
The original story is from Alex Voight IIRC, who has built his whole brand on stanning for Tesla and shitting on the established manufacturers. When pressured on the axact technical details and sources for his reporting, he immediately faceplanted, which makes his source pretty obvious: his a**.
Good to know this about Porsche.
I watched a rich guy do a video on his new model S plaid when it came out, but guess what car he drives every day, not the Tesla, the Porsche Taycan.
He doesn’t want it to catch fire at his house. The Porsche battery is crap. LG Chem battery problem.
So how many other manufacturers are using the LG batteries? How did GM fix the issue of the Bolt EV?
Is there a world EPA that will hold the company that caused the Felicity Ace sinking to account? or will it be left to the insurers? Could you please do a follow up vid on this. Thanks
Nobody will ever find proper evidence, we will hear nothing from it anymore.
Why would the EPA get involved? The ship isn’t US flagged and never made it to the US.
i got one, know people who got one... never heard of it happen in belgium.... last week a land rover evoque burned out in belgium ...
7 Years ago I really thought that the Germans would knock it out the park where EV's were concerned based on German Engineering Reputation, Civic Pride and understanding of Science. Apparently, this didn't carry over to Electron Flow? I hate being so cavalier about the subject, the last EV I built was a 1/10 Scale RC Car.
Not the only German manufacturer with 12 volt battery problems. My M3 will have a dead battery if not driven for 9 or 10 days, or put on a float charger.
So, the burnt out white car at exactly 4.00 mins is a Tesla 🤷🏻♂️
Followed immediately by a Porsche badge.
The burning car at 00:18 is not a taycan.
The oceans cover land. All those minerals that went down with the ship that Viking was so concerned about are all ready down there in huge quantities. There are also many oil deposits leaching out into the ocean on a permanent basis. The ocean can easily deal with them.
It's coincidence like this that give anti electric vehicle group more reason to knock the manufactures that don't have issues.This is a problem LG Chem should address quickly
I'm a 4s owner. My car had issues with battery. Car wouldn't start after just sitting one day in the garage. This happened 2 times in 3 months. My local dealer first replaced the high voltage onboard charger. And after couple of weeks later they replaced the high voltage battery under warranty. High voltage battery (big battery) costs $45000+tax in my country. Car runs perfectly fine now. Yes i did have issues but having driven lots of performance cars in the past, i can honestly say that this is one hell of a car. Batteries have 8 year warranty worldwide. And I appreciate that Porsche stands behind their products.
I have no plans about selling my car even after this battery issues. And it seems that Porsche has solved this problem that exist in early production models. Once you get used to ev power it's very hard to turn back...
What year do you have?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but was wasn't there confirmed news that at least Matt's Taycan was on board? Matt from thesmokingtire? If there was 1 there was probably more, but even 1 might be enough to burst into flames
The Porsche Taycan is selling fairly well for them. It is a low volume product, not price competitive with the Tesla at all, but overall Porsche is fairly happy with the product, and I expect their next product, to be better. It is my understanding that the next Porsche EV will be its #1 product, the Macan, which will have an EV version in 2024 model year. We won't see Porsche fully unleashed until they can get away from VW Group; at present there is too much platform sharing, and this really limits Porsche. I would like to see an ultracapacitor added to the vehicle for fast regen braking absorption.
Calling the car a new name won’t solve the catching fire problem.
@@fredbloggs5902 There is no evidence that Taycan fires are happening with any frequency. There is a lot of energy in EV batteries, and every manufacturer has fire incidents. If you check the recall websites, Taycans have had several recalls but not for fires (yet).
Porsche is not trying to trick anyone; the Macan is their best selling product, and for the Chinese market they gotta have an EV version, so it is scheduled now, and will ship. Porsche is gaining market share, and I for one hope that they go IPO and get away from the mediocrity that is the VW group. Porsche has not benefited from the alliance particularly. Ferrari is better off away from Fiat; Porsche is a fanatic brand and should be on its own.
I used to be a Ford only man. I was in sales and I bought a lot of cars over many years. Ford lost me as a fan because they treated their customers like idiots. When people lose faith in a company, it's hard to get them back. Sales 101: It can take weeks to win a customer. 5 minutes is enough to lose them.
Only Porsches whose owners pronounce „Porsche“ wrong catch fire.
. . . and the head of Porsche will be taking over from Herbert Deiss. . Good move, VW. . . Yeah, right. . .
You reported about the UK 100 percent want an electric vehicle. And showed the study that said at the right price. And I said they didn't ask me. When in the future cars are restricted or even banned for having the 'wrong type of battery' and significantly huge costs of disposal are imposed in addition to severe home and car insurance costs for having the wrong type of battery then leople might not feel the fuel cost savings were worth it. In very few years time newer more efficient safer batteries will wipe the smiles off early adopters. When the world can genuinely provide enough energy from sources without political risks and the threats of politically imposed blackouts are history you'll find the buyers with a smirk to last.
And after a fire in the channel tunnel that can't be extinguished will there be restrictions? Wrong type of battery and tunnels?
LG Chem had also a global recall of It's homebattery-systems produced from 2018-2020.
VW-ID3 had the 12V problem, too.
LG is a continuing dumpster fire at this point. They're in big trouble. CATL is running away with everything.
I remember when every Anti-Tesla troll was telling me how great the Taycan is because it did not have battery fade on the race track. Where are those guys today? How awesome is the Taycan now? No battery fade, but a lot of battery fail.
How does someone else's, or another companies misfortune excite you so much?
How many Teslas caught fire? Many .
@@djprojectus And still everybody keeps talking about Tesla only, while others having the same problems are not monitored that heavily.
@@djprojectus not as many as Porsche.
@@williammeek4078 Really? Did you count them? How many Taycans and how many Teslas?
Hi Mr Tesla , that’s a great presentation. Could you guide me as to when would you anticipate that Porsche resolve this issue?
I am a diehard Porsche fan and about to buy a Taycan GTS
As a matter of fact I am about to drive to my dealership today
Thanks even if you are unable to respond in the next two hours
Good luck
Does the Taycan use the same pouch cells that the Chevy Bolt uses? Those things are a nightmare!
Those LG prismatic cells are harder to produce relative to cylindrical cells (Munro 2022)
If you paid a furtune for a "luxury" you not going to tell your neighbour you got cheated. You never hear Ferrari owner tellling bad things about their car though you can find bad thing if you start looking
Higher voltages (holding supply power constant) reduces cell charging current requirements. Parallelising cell charging further reduces required cell current, although there are practical limits - related to cell and battery electrical design and charging infrastructure design - as to what can be achieved in this way.
Lithium was the sensible choice for EV batteries at the outset for 21st century BEVs. But, I am pretty sure it will be seen as the wrong technology for the job in time. LFP, admittedly, effectively mitigates the worst negatives of Li-Ion.
> Are you a Porsche electrical engineer?
"Higher voltages (holding supply power constant) reduces cell charging current requirements."
That is nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. You are FOS.
Edit: I have misinterpreted your statement and responded inappropriately. I'm sorry.
No, in serial with lower current. The 800v means there is less management
@@Tom55data Yes, you are right. I expressed all of that very badly. Rather than annoying anyone with a do-over I would just say the obvous, higher voltage is the way forward for EV batteries. Whatever Porsche's problems at the moment they were right to go the high voltage route.
@@richardpark3054 Power = Current * Voltage. You double the voltage and half the current to keep the same power level. That part was correct.
Alex Voigt with new hairs? 🤣🤣
Narrator:
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane:
Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator:
You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane:
Which car company do you work for?
Narrator:
A major one.
Seems like batteries are crucial for cars 🤔 Only Tesla and BYD can deliver at scale. Bye Kodak, bye Nokia, bye …
Like you said, VW cover ups are par for the course.
Is this VW Diesel gate all over again in from of Porsche 🤣
BTW, great to see you own more than one shirt.
I don't want my chestnuts roasting over an open (EV) fire.
Li salts are a significant *natural* component of sea water, hard to think Li is toxic to the ocean.
Yo, but not all Porches catch fire
Doesn't surprise me at all. I suspect something similar is going on with the Toyota bZ4x.
Whats a cockatoo to do cobber..
Porsche Sales down 16% in China
Now this, is great reporting. Thanks Sam.