C75 AUTO vs. SPSMG9: New Kali Loadout META - Rainbow Six Siege
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With Operation Steel Wave, Kali has been given access to the SPSMG9 as a secondary machine pistol and in this video we will explore whether or not this gun is actually worth bringing over her existing C75 AUTO. As always the video will compare both guns in terms of their combat capabilities and handling and the final results may come as somewhat of a surprise.
0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Stat Overview
1:05 - Combat Capabilities
4:10 - Ease Of Use & Handling
7:31 - Conclusion
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0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Stat Overview
1:05 - Combat Capabilities
4:10 - Ease Of Use & Handling
7:31 - Conclusion
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Rogue9 can you make a video also for twitch f2 vs 417?the choice for me seems a lot of confusing
@@Rogue9 :)
I’ll take SPS everytime because I want to see the enemy I’m shooting at
Buttt when they removed red dot it kinda messed it up
@@hassanmohammed6755 the green triangle isnt bad
@@hassanmohammed6755 reflex sight is the best sight in the game imo. Besides Russian sights those are just yuck
Haptix did u not see the “imo” part?
DAMN TRUE
"Hitting your target from social distancing range or beyond" that made me chuckle Thanks Rogue
Hmmm, pretty sure the recent surges in surpressor use is cos of the 70kills using a surpressor for the battlepass
Yeap cos of that but even after i finish it, i still use it on some guns. It just feel great
@@ahmadsolehyn295 same!
I don't think pro's care about that and besides, their scrims and matches are in custom games, in which the battlepass challenges don't count
@@dumpling1263 mate you alright? This isnt about pros, this is about the whole community
I think it's just the attachment skins they added.
The sight advantage makes the SPSMG9 the only option for me. I've been playing Kali a lot since when it came out and the SPSMG9 made it a viable operator.
You mean her
'it'
‘it’
people are so dramatic lol
For me the choice between the CZ and the SPSMG just goes down to if I want to have any idea of where I shoot or not because the iron sights of the CZ are so awful I might as well aim down sights a brick
But to be fair, in my opinion just the reflex sight makes it worth picking the SPSMG, thing's a headshot machine.
100%
Its a Headshot machine always u give headshots
yeah, theres a huge problem with the iron sights in siege, they need an overhaul of all the iron sights, it makes 0 sense for them to have so many shit iron sights
@@bignose4703 I agree, some iron sights are really good like the MP7 but yeah, most of them are ass to a point where there is literally no choice between having a sight or not
i dont get how cz has a picatiny rail but u cant put a reflex sight
Its either choose the "able to see the enemy" smg or " be Marley or die" smg
You should add a new comparison category: Can You See What You’re Shooting At?😂
Iron sights in r6...
Ngl c75 auto looks like your looking through the letter w
Some iron sights look like owos
@@catblitz5103 yep all of the Russian weapons have those iron sights
I have alot of requests if you’re okay with these,
First: I would like to see a revisited G8A1 vs AUG vs 552 since the G8 has an angled grip now(I’m aware none of the stats have changed but the difference now is that saying the G8 is meh would be inappropriate in its current state)
Second: I would also like a revisited C75 vs SMG-12;
Third; revisited AUG A3(Para) vs TCSG. I know you’ve made videos talking about the AUG but with the damage nerf to the TCSG it could be interesting;
Four:(This is the least worthwhile one) ACS-12 compared to the other G.I.S. primaries now that it has slugs;
Final and longest one to make, a revisited pistol guide would be nice.
I like these stats type videos, keep up the good work!
No worries if any of these are not worth to make a revisit :)
I don't want to be nit-picking but if actually write down the ingame names for the guns... it's G8A1 not G8A2. Sorry, no need to tell me I'm weird ;)
Man the kaid loadout and the acs 12 would be interesting
G8A2 doesn't make so much difference, for IQ
AUG if you want low recoil
Commando if you want to be aggressive and strong
G8A2 if you want to be really aggressive
And, smg12 is quite uncomfortable, the recoil is too crazy, the damage is average, and it's good only for very close angle
Even if it has the choice of the scope, it's not worth the risk of dying everytime you take a gunfight
All I'm saying is they're lookin at nerfing thr G8 because it's OP right now
also revolver vs ACOG pistol
The handling advantages are to great for the spsmg9 on console, so most of us switched to the spsmg9.
yeah it has no recoil on console i swear
@@reqite2.032 Even suppressed it's just a laser. Vs the CZ it was an easy pick for me.
@@MrSpannners c75? Or cz?
@@maximilliansus6487 cz75
@@maximilliansus6487 c75* I did a ooops
Spsmg9 is my Favourite secondary
Smg11
Idem
You're not a clash main right?
Spanish shotgun
Smg 11 ftw
I like being able to see when im shooting
Then play with your eyes open, also you copied the top comment
@@draco6102 probably did not the only person to say it when referinv the the c75
@@draco6102 bro stop being toxic
@@OreoFuffMcduff it’s just a little annoying how people were talking down on the C75 but I’ll chill
@@draco6102 i understand but that was rude asf for no reason
If C75 auto had an optic it'd be constantly bouncing back and forth due to it being mounted on the slide
Have you never used the P10-C or the RG-15? It literally doesn't matter
Try any gun with the red dot sight and you'll experience the same thing, it's not that distracting
You can get a rail that’s attached to the side of the gun and hangs above the slide
OwlPlaysSiege Those are semiautos
As someone who's been making Kali on console the past 3 months, I can say without a doubt the SPS has been better, maybe it's the difference between controller and Mouse and Keyboard, but on a controller, I've been able to reliably get headshots and hold bursts on target much more than I ever could with the CZ
The c75 has better recoil it’s just that it has a lego brick for a sight so you can’t see which is why there may be some potato.
I really hope they can push back the side arm's sight a bit further, like how they did in COD
True. So I'm not the only one thinking that. They definitely should do it.
Ubi: Gives Kali new SPSMG9 to increase her reliability*
Players: “No lol”
Ubi: “understandable, have a nice day”
I liked the P226 :( very consistent and underrated pistol
Uhhhhh yeah but the cz and sps are way better than a pistol it’s good they removed it
Nice we have another Nomad/Ash situation where one gun is objectively better than the other but lacks a crucial strength which the other makes up for.
R4C No Acog/Angled - G36C has both
ARX only 20 rounds - AK74M as 40 rounds
And now CZ, trash sights - SPSMG9 good sight
That's a decently good way of balancing imo
sights aren’t that bad if you actually try it out
DHMC vDagger I mean use the CZ on Vigil and Dokk and there borderline useable
"Look and sound as cool as polar bear shit"
I genuinely liked that
Love the vids! I’m a thatcher main, so I needed some clarification on which primary to pick, and thanks to your video about that, I decided on the l85a2
For closer quarter maps i use the other ar with angled holo
@@That-guy0801 nah, thatcher shouldnt be close range, hes a support. keep a zoom scope for both
@@ttttttttttttttttt.
It really depends on your play style. I like to run angled on Thermite because it gave me the ability to entry frag after breach.
I’m a thatcher main and I’ve never stopped being one ever since I got black ice for ar33
I keep flipping back and forth between the two. I love both guns so it's hard to pick.
But I have black ice for the AR so...
The buff is the fact that I can actually see what I'm shooting now.
Hey, my friend and I were testing some C4 tricks today and we made a shocking discovery.
C4's damage is different from different sides(for example if you put it vertically on a wall or horizontally on a surface.)
it would be nice if you looked at it.
.
edit : we tested it from a 4m distance
Which side does more damage?
@@osravix7313 horizontal
@@osravix7313 and its hard to go in more details here
Considering I don’t like looking through a LEGO to find my target I think I’ll use clash’s smg😂
Rogue always gives me a warm feeling every time I watch his videos... in-depth, easy to understand and a very enjoyable commentary to keep me engaged, keep going bud! :)
Thanks for all the hard work.
Am I aiming at a person or trying to see the molecule of dust on the back of my gun?
Finally! Personally I've always had a weird pull towards CZ and it seems I'm not gonna be switching my secondary in this case. I thought the reflex sight on spsmg would create a bigger difference.
I like the suppressor, because I notice that often people react slower to it, especially when I'm flanking (and even more if there is a lot of noise. Explosion, fire etc.)
6:22 The buildup and context as well as the way he portrayed the joke was just perfect 😂
i love the happy energetic music in the bg
I'm digging the slices in the timeline
Rogue, my friends and I have noticed that the point of view of the shields is not as aligned as it used to be. We wanted to ask if you have noticed anything different at all
What pro team is using suppressors on every gun?? Anyone got a link?
The suppressor on the SPSMG looks like a flashbang
I have a weird one! What about the differences in handling for Gridlock vs Capitao Lmg. Does the armor difference make it a better gun for either of them? (Most likely recoil control for gridlock)
I have a request for future types of these videos: could you possibly provide an additional "time to fire a complete magazine" stat for each gun? I know that technically we could calculate it ourselves from the given capacity and fire rate data, but as kind of a noobish player with bad aim, a lot of my gunfights involve firing a lot of rounds before I down my opponent, and so the amount of time I can continue to fire without having to reload or switch to secondary could be helpful.
Just an idea, thanks for all the hard work!
get an LMG and preaim corners
Considering how important headshots are in this game (especially to these high fire rate guns), the sight made a huge difference. The cz75’s sights are so bulky that you are basically shooting blind if going for headshots. It also screws up any kind of crosshair placement as if the opponent is crouching while you are aiming at head level they will be completely obscured by the cz75. it’s not completely one sided but IMO when getting headshots is so important you really can’t afford to sacrifice good crosshair placement for 5 extra bullets in the mag.
where can I find the pro games with the teams who used suppressor only?
Hey Rogue I've heard from GetFlanked and experienced that Amaru graple sound is broken. Got killed 3 times because of this. Could you test it out?
The real question is if there are any sounds in this game that aren't broken.
Hey, I’m not sure if you’ve done them, but u should do a loadout meta video for IQ and Vigil
I have a question, which are the best smg for defenders
Did you ever get around to the GIGN sidearms?
The SPSMG9, being a variant of the MP9, also enables you to rush Mirage A ramp and shred the T side
CZ every time! I am always suprised by how quickly it can get a kill.
facts
The sps and cz have very identical stats sooo I think saying how the cz kills so quickly isn’t really that good
@@ineedgasmoney9510 the 1 reason where cz75 has an advantage compared to the spsmg against 1 armor 3 speed roamers, but if the roamers have rook plates on then the cz75 is really not useful compared to spsmg.
C75auto: I have better damage, firing rate, magazine capacity and reload time !
SPSMG9: I have a reflex sight.
C75auto: (Cry in iron sight)
I wouldn't say it's a matter of iron sight, it's a specifically bad iron sight... Even before the spsmg was usable on Kali, the other pistol had a much cleaner iron sight; and that was enough to use it over the c75 on some maps
@@darioschottlender yeah but hes comparing c75 to spsmg not c75 to other pistol :|
@@ToxicCookie I know, what I'm saying is that maybe if the c75 would have a normal pistol sight, it would compete much better against the spsmg (personal opinion though, apparently pros don't care about the sight)
Does someone know the name of the song in the end of the video?
Wait you guys don’t entry with the sniper but with the smgs instead?
*sigh* I miss P226 speed up-juice so much :(
Same but that was the only upside.
@@mythicalmadness3539 It felt really nice to use. It was my favorite pistol in the game to use and it was really fun on Kali
@@Bockerson It actually is one of the best pistols in the game but a pistol will almost always be outclassed by a secondary smg in cqb. Plus a pistol secondary on Kali was a bad idea on paper and especially in practice. Though I will admit I loved running around faster with it..
@@mythicalmadness3539 it's only a bad idea if your aim is bad
They shoulda just kept it on her instead of removing it. I would still prefer it over the SPSMG any day.
can you please make a new ash loadout meta video as the R4-C doesn't have acog so the g36c might be viable?
It’s the first time that they made a balance change for console, the spsmg is a laser beam even on console and the Cz75 isn’t that easy to control without practice.
The recoil is fine, the CZ is literally just a brick wall that does good damage. Its iron sights are so absolute dogshit that it insults the basic human intelligence and should be mocked and spit on by any creature on this earth with any sense of decency
@@thethe5013 the irons aren't that bad, unless you go exclusively for long range headshots
bruh i lost a fight with the sps that i would have easily won with the c75
Pog Champ are you trying to snipe with the smg? no your close range with it
4:10 You should have specified that the SPSMG9 has a total ammo pool of 21+140 compared to the 27+78 of the C75 which means that you have more than 50% more total ammo with the SPSMG9 and that does make a significant difference (At least in my experience) when it comes to ease of use considering the C75 has such low amounts of ammo to begin with.
Great video as always, I just simply potato more with the c75 sights so I'm gonna use the spsmg9. Dps doesn't matter when you cant hit any of the bullets lol
i just realised that the cz has a sight rail. please ubi give us a sight? or at least better iron sights?
Is there a difference between shooting a pistol with shield and shooting a pistol with shield on back?
isn't the upsurge in the usage of suppressors because of the battlepass mission?
oooo, thats some cool outro music
The suppressor is also being used a lot recently for the battlepass challenge
Hey Rogue, I would like to ask your opinion about one thing about those 2 guns:
If you compare in-game damage (per bullet) stat of normal spsmg vs suppressed c75 you will see an increase from 33 up to 29 damage.
I’ll let that sink in for a moment.
Now my question is, which is actually higher, the damage of smpsmg or the actual, not shown, damage of suppressed c75?
Rogue 9 I may want to see the Tachanka turret blocking window meta please
Iron sight VS reflex
Thanks 😊
Obv I'm going to pick spsmg9 over the cz b/c of sights. Had the cz have sight options, no doubt on my mind I'll pick the cz over any secondary.
what if we buff the ammo on the spusmuguh by a bit, maybe add some more rounds?
Honestly I'm a spray and pray kind of person and I see the spusmuguh's ammo deficit as a huge drawback..
I play a decent bit of clash so I was hyped to hear Kali was getting the SPSMG9. I wasn’t disappointed I love using the gun on attack over the CZ. I always feel like I can’t see anything with the CZ so having a gun that I can actually see what I’m aiming at and that I already had experience with controlling was great and I’ve been playing a lot more Kali
Maybe an Ella barrel comparison for recoil on her smg?
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I've always used the C75, even over the SMG-12 on the Korean ops both before and after the sight realignment recoil changes
I’ve only just got into siege and it’s crazy how an attachment change can make certain operators viable.
Pls do a comparison on all of the secondary smgs and auto pistols
I've gotten really good with the CZ over time, so I may use that from here on out, but if I'm struggling up close with Kali I'll pull out the SP.
5:57 spesmegu you gotta love it when they drop some professionality and add some jokes
Anyone else notice how the spsmg9 has had a sight tweak, it has gone from a red dot to more of a reflex. I'm probably just dumb but I cant find anything on it in the patch notes or on yt...
I am always running the cz becasuse sps random recoil always seems to get me killed plus cz is not that challenging to manage
ily rogue🥺
Yo, i think you linked the wrong music? Idk what the real outro song is.
As a clash main the spsmg just feels natural
You absolutely horrible human
cancerous chump
He's not playing her and every match because with her ban rate you can only play her in like 1 of 4 matches
Guys guys don’t make fun of the person that hides behind a shield and screams at you that requires a lot of skill.... right
Normal operators: holds handgun at the correct distance from face
OPs with the CZ: *lemme just lick the slide real quick*
Let me hit my nose with the kick
when moving sideways while ads'd, all the guns tilt just a tiny bit but most people dont even notice
when it comes to the cz, that small tilt is very noticeable to me because of the iron sight and it throws me off so bad
Only reason i like the SPSMG9 is only because it has a sight
Edit : Cant bloody see with the C75
yes you can everyone is so dramatic
No shit you can see with it but not very well and there not being dramatic it’s a terrible sight and you know it
@@ToddlrHuntr that iron sight is cancer
@@ToddlrHuntr You literally cannot see the person you are aiming at
I am thinking of nomad and kaid secondary but I think that is a bad idea
It's about time this came out lol. Got kali the second he mention she got the spsmg9 and a lodout meta for her.
You should compare weapon's soft destruction when comparing weapons
I've recently started playing Doke again and I'm having tons of fun with that little rapid ripper.
Love how nugs charm is there
Why is nugs charm on the spsmg9 in the thumbnail
In all your cz clips, you have to aim at the feet and then adjust. That's immediately the disadvantage worth dropping the cz for the other
Tbh, even tho the spsmg takes up more screen, you will still see enemy after not controlling recoil enough, while with the cz iron sights you have to guess where the enemy is at the moment
virgin C75 iron sights vs chad SPSMG9
bro c75 is better just that u can't see...
Personally the cz is one of my comfort guns and I can frag pretty decently with that but even with that I'd rather use the SPsmg9 because it feels so much better to use and the recoil isn't even that bad, first time using it on Kali I got a 4k entry fragging which is a lot harder for me to do consistently with the cz when it's a lot farther range. I still love the cz and it amazes me what I can do with it but with how much more comfortable it is to use the SPsmg9 I think I'll use it on kali
Im always confused on what to use on nomad, both primary and secondary weapons
I always use the AK because ARX has only 20 bullets and it takes a year to reload plus without an grip it has more recoil than the AK if you have really good aim and recoil controll of course use the ARX it has better damage and ROF for secondaries dont use the 44mag its so garbage use the new pistol
Wasn’t there rumors about adding reflex or red dots sights to the C75?
Every time I watch rogue 9 videos I get subtitles? How can I disable this?
Press on the video, then on the three points top right of the picture. Those are the settings
I am always using c75 on Kali because I am used to using it on vigil and it’s a great secondary overall
I'm going whit the CZ. After the recoil changes to machine pistol way back in grim sky, I learned to control its recoil. I prefer to not be fully able to see what I'm shooting over seeing that I'm shooting the roof, or in the chase of the SPSMG9 that I'm shooting to the left and right of my target
Love how serious you sound when joking 🤣 like nah the video isn't actually over lol
Revisit the Smg-12 vs C75 pls
Can u do docs p90 and mp5
If I'm not holding angles I like to use Kali's secondary and the sps for me is so easy to hit heads with. So if you aren't confident in hiting head shots the cz is probably the gun for you
Can you do IQ lmg vs 552 commando
Isnt kali's sniper rifle supposed to instantly down when shot?
If you hit the torso (new bullet system means if you hit the arm over the torso it still counts as 1 shot down). If you hit arms or legs it makes the damage modifier of 91
The problem between your tests of the C75 and the SPS is that you were mostly aiming at feet with your pistols. This makes it a lot easier to find where your enemies head is going to be because it doesnt cover much of the screen (if you aimed for the head). With pistols it's generally a bad habit to be aiming for feet because 1) you're already at a disadvantage compared to ARs and SMGs, and 2) you have to rely on the headshot 9/10 times to win the fight. In higher ranks most people have to preaim the head or they get immediately deleted, and the C75 does not let you do that since it covers too much of your screen.
Ill always take the SPS over the CZ because I have to make sure I see the enemy. And if you can't kill the enemy in the first 7 bullets you would probably be dead by the.
nice video