F-body 12 Bolt Rear End Installation Guide - (1982-2002 Camaro/Firebird) *Strange Engineering*
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2020
- This is a loose guide to replacing your factory 10 Bolt rear end in most 1982-2002 F-Body Camaro and Firebirds. WS6, Trans AM (TA), SS and Z28's.
My car is a 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 - LS1/T56 car.
The rear end in this video is from Strange Engineering, and features a 3.91 gear ratio, a Yukon Dura-Grip Posi, 1350 Chromoly Yoke, 1/2" x 2" screw in wheel studs, 33 spline axles, LPW cover, and 4 Channel backing plate that retain the factory ABS/Traction Control.
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This 2000 Pontiac Trans AM WS6 had the following mods at the time of filming this video:
Brian Tooley (BTR) Stage 4 Camshaft and supporting modifications, 10% Underdrive Pulley, Speed Engineering Longtube Headers into a Borla Catback. UMI Rear LCA's/PHB/LCARB's/SFC's and Bilstein B6 Pro Shocks. MGW short throw shifter, Tick Master Cylinder/Ram Slave Cylinder, Lightweight Flywheel and a Grip Force Stage 2 clutch, TB coolant bypass, Midwest Chassis Front & Rear Tubular Bumper Supports, Hawks 5.0 Pads, StopTech Slotted Rotors, Strano Master Cylinder Brace, Strange Engineering 12 Bolt Rear End.
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Watch more videos of the Trans Am in the videos below!
-MAJOR F-Body Rear End Upgrade Part 1: (1982-2002) Strange Engineering 12 Bolt
• MAJOR F-Body Rear End ...
HUGE WS6 Update Video - Broken Mustang Parts/New WS6 Heads
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MD93...
HP Tuners taught me TONS about my built WS6 Trans AM!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tn_K...
First trip racing the WS6 at a shut down airport!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuyge...
Reviewing a Strano Master Cylinder Brace!:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xzBw...
Bedding in the new Hawks HPS 5.0 Pads and StopTech Rotors:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8P0C...
Installing the new Hawks HPS 5.0 Pads and StopTech Rotors:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGe9g...
Installing Midwest Chassis Front & Rear Tubular Bumper Supports - WEIGHT MOD
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6RW0...
Does a throttle body coolant bypass work?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGi-k...
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Once i can buy the 12 bolt I will be re watching this video for the install.
Sweet, hope it's helpful!
Brother!!!!!!!!! You are the man!!!! Awesome install!!! .....And you did it in the cold!! Yeah bro, I saw the steam coming out your mouth. I appreciate what you do to get us more content on the car we love. I wished I lived closer to you so I could be a helper, and soak up some of that knowledge! I already know this is one repair, when it's time, I will sub out to my mechanic! I may ask him if I can help, but I'll definitely not do it by myself. I hold you in high regard brother!!!!!!! You are definitely appreciated by me and all who view this channel!! Can't wait to see the T/A "get down" this summer!!! I am soooo glad I bought one of these icons!!!! You played a major factor in me buying one. Thank you!
Man, that's a lot to take in. Thank you for the kind words! I'm no guru, that's for sure. The next video will show a mistake I made. Theres always stuff to learn!
Thinking I'll do the next job in my driveway. It's much brighter out there haha.
Great video and straight to the point like all others. I have a 2002 Camaro SS and shopping around for a Strange rear and after seeing your video its giving me even more confidence to do it myself thanks for the and the great F-body content!!
In a world of roundabout CZcams videos, it's easy to get away from the point when making one lol.
Glad you liked it, and that you are confident to do it now! Its totally manageable if you do it a step at a time. Theres no high science to it.
My rebuilt 9 bolt will be gong in this spring and It was nice to see the process on video. Miles
Glad it was helpful. You'll get your 9 bolt in and out in no time.
awesome video. You inspired me to replace the rear end in my camaro. it took about 6 hours to get it all done.
Good deal man. Its not all that big of a job when you break it down. Get some!
Great video. Just watched it while fixing the battery tie down on my CETA. These videos are making it hard for me to not keep putting $ into my car. Haha. Can't wait for spring to get back driving the TA either!
That's the point!!! Lol. CETA's are great, nice car. That money will go bad if you dont spend a little once in awhile! Lol
My 00’ ws6 has been down since July with a second blown 10 bolt. I lost motivation untill I saw this video. Tmrw I will start back on the car for the first time in months. Thank you for the awesome advice and motivation sir
Good deal. Swapping a rear end in these cars should really only take a couple of hours if you are equipped to don it. You'll be glad you did once it's over.
Badass video man! Happy to see the car got what it really needed and excited to see what it does in the spring!!!👍🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Thanks bud. It's coming along slowly but surely! Lol. I'm sure we will meet up at some point
Hell yeah man. Especially if I get a car this year
What are you in the market for?
@@GreenlightfilmingEither another trans am, or a SN95 Cobra, or possibly a Terminator
@@THATGOTTKID I vote terminator if you dont get an f-body. I would happily own one someday.
Good job, nice WS6 it’s very clean.
Thanks bud
Hello. I just got my Moser GM 12-bolt built to order. I will install it after this video . Thank you. From Sioux City,Ia. Ps. I installed a Maddog built tranny last week.
Excellent video, I am glad you took on this project as I've been wanting to beef up the rear diff on mine. I can't stay off that throttle it's to fun, so before I blow up my 10 bolt I think I will do this swap. Pretty straight forward install!!
Hope it had just the right amount of info in it, without too much or little detail. When you start making a little power it's hard to keep your foot off the loud pedal! I get it haha
@@Greenlightfilming it was perfect my friend
Good deal. Thanks for the feedback!
Great video thanks for the info and the details
Honestly when I was in high school I didnt like them. But now I love them.
They are great cars! I think they have aged well.
Awesome video. I have a 1999 T/A and it's Pewter too with a WSQ hood.
Nice! I dig those hoods for sure. Thanks for checking out the video!
You sir have earned my subscribe! Keep it up
Thanks bud. Move videos where that came from!
Usted señor 100% chingon 👍
Word
Me too! It would save us all the trouble of having to do it ourselves
excellent video bro
Nice video, I will be installing a moser 12 bolt in my 96 z28.
Sweet, good luck with your project!
Great video, i have a 98ss i plan on doing the same to it
Nice Job!
Awesome content.
Thanks bud! Welcome to the channel!
I'd love to get a 12 bolt for my 95 Z28. I have a Richmond 3.73 gear and a DTS dif cover on my crappy 10 bolt. Now I think its leaking.... again. I also have a bunch of UMI stuff on the car. STB,LCAs,SFCs,panhard bar and a adjustable torque arm. You do good work! I want to add some et. street tires and take it to the drag strip. I have a bunch of other stuff done to it.
Beat selection is A1
Good stuff
Thank you!
Man that looked easy peasy.
Nice man! I'm about to drop a 9 inch in my Ws6
Get some! That's the way to go if you can swing it.
@@Greenlightfilming just waiting on this re enlistment bonus to hit lol and when I close on this house before I can think about ordering it
Have BMR lowers, panhard, torque arm, loop on my 02 ss
Easy to set torque arm pinion angle with their magnet. No comparison to the cheap stamped unit.
One piece loop bolts up to factory mounts. Worthwhile upgrades IMO.
Nice TA, looks as clean as my SS.
Funny you mention that. My adjustable tunnel mounted torque arm showed up yesterday!
Great video
Thanks bud!
Good install! Did you need a longer driveshaft? I put in a Moser 9inch in 2011 after blowing two sets of gears and then deflecting the pinion (and blowing some teeth!) on the third set ruining the axle pinion bearing surface. Didn’t have time to get the driveshaft (which they said should be around 1 inch longer) at the time but am no re-doing my TA and ordered the shaft. Been watching your videos looking for any info on many topics and find them interesting. Thanks!
Nice! I can't wait to see what you do next.
PS. You need to get a heater for your garage.
Man I know.... the garage needs a remodel, plus some heat. Been weighing out what to do. We will be at this place for a couple more years for sure. It's not our forever home though.
@@Greenlightfilming I don't have the most insulated garage but 1 kerosene heater does wonders!!!
Great video with a lot of info. I am surprised you didn't add a BMR adjustable torque arm bar when you did the install and some 4.11 gears instead of the 3.92. When ever I get around to having a 12 bolt installed in my 01 WS6 I will also add a stronger driveshaft, but I don't know if I will go with an aluminum or a carbon fiber. I love my T/A, but for now it is on the back burner while I have fun with my challenger redeye.
I will add a torque arm down the road. Leaning towards the UMI or MWC unit when the time comes.
The 3.91 gear is a really happy medium for a car that you'll use on the highway a lot. I dont want it to be a one trick pony!
When you do your car, consider a steel driveshaft. Mine is good for around 800hp.
@@Greenlightfilming good call on that ratio. I'm stuck between a 3.73 and a 3.92 when I do my Strange install
I’ve got a Moser 12 bolt in my 99 WS6, I’m sure you’ll get to practice replacing a pinion seal like i did on mine lol
Having owned quit a bit of 4 gen fbodys wowww lol every video you have done is exact to what I've done ... Should a freakn made vids smh. I've been bro with friends In a garage make shift car ports in the cold sometimes with heat laying on cold concrete with nothing more than cut up cardboard as a buffer drinking cold beers wrenching on cars.great vids and work keep going like I do .
You have to do what you have to do! Hope to have a heated shop one day. For now this will work. Keep wrenching bud!
quick question, if i buy all non adjustable rear suspension parts, would there still be a need to center the rear axle? Thanks
About to pick up a nicely built 00’ SS. Only downside is stock rear end. Has a cradle on it right now will it hold up for a little bit?
I have a 1999 pontiac firebird trans am 5.7 v8...I wonder were I can find all torque specs conserning this job? I can see when mounting all bolts and nuts you have a torque value for every move.
Well I enjoyed that, you're a patient mechanic, I would never attempt that by myself. I have a 2000 W68 V6 Firebird that is equipped from the factory with G80 and GU6, the latter being the 3.42 final drive, the car does not have traction control. I am a bit skeptical about the use those tubular lower control arms, how can you know for sure that the additional torsional loads applied to the stamped steel mounting brackets are not too much for them. Plus the whole suspension is tuned for the flexing of the 3-sided stamped steel LCAs. What are you going to do with the aluminum driveshaft, how much is it worth?
What you didnt see was all of the cursing and lying on my back with my eyes shut making it all go away. Lol.
I'm not sure anyone had had problems with the LCA mounts tearing away from the subframe. It's a pretty solid mounting point. You do make a good point though.
As far as the driveshaft goes, I'll probably sell it. It's no good to me anymore.
Questions so I have a 96 pontiac firebird Ls1 5.7. I want to upgrade the rear end. What kind of rear end I can upgrade to?
I wish these cars came stock with a 4l80e and a 12 bolt
YES! Even if they were offered with a beefier axle. Not just different ratios.... Oh well. Tons of people are employed making parts to make these cars better for us. I can get behind that.
Was 3rd Gen F-body option from 70' to 81'. OE 12-bolt Positraction rears used 30-spline axles.
I wish they still had Pontiac around! Glad I have one
It's all beautifully clean. Nevertheless, you should definitely think about any kind of "protection coating".
Best regards.
Happy New 2021!
Happy new years to you too! Coincidentally, I did do a full paint correction and ceramic coating here: czcams.com/video/IFYWepPmo_4/video.html
@@Greenlightfilming
Actually, I was thinking about under the car, something like what Mr Palmeri shows in the following video, for instance :
czcams.com/video/Z1vAXV9kcvE/video.html
(I've put a time stamp at "t=650", so that the video may start where the undercoating process starts)
I subscribe to him and saw that video. I hadn't seen that product until then! Very interesting stuff
@@Greenlightfilming
I've been undercoating my 1999 Z28 with Blackson for years. But I think that translucid undercoating is way better than black undercoating as you can see through it for a quick check, and I shall give that a try too.
Blew 2 rears until I replaced it with Yukon gears, so far so good
So far so good on mine still! Been a long time with the new rear end.
What do you mean exactly by yukon gears? Like literally off a gmc yukon?
TWA Motorsports woulda prove with the undercarriage cleaning.
Everyone needs a clean undercarriage
Hi, does it seem faster or slower with the added weight? And did you upgrade to a strange steal drive shaft, or are you still running a stock aluminum one? I heard with any aftermarket power increase they can have a tendency to twist off..?
It definitely seems like its quicker with the new gear ratio. I have a steel driveshaft in there too with Spicer joints and a billet yoke. You are right about the factory parts twisting like a pop can.
I hope you plan on replacing that Stamped Steel Garbage TRQ Arm...lol. I went with the BMR Adj one plus the M6 Cross Member that relocates the TRQ Arm Mounting off the tail shaft of the Trans. Dont no regrets spending the money there. Im running a Moser 12 Bolt with larger Axles, C-Clip Eliminator 4:10 through a Detroit Trutrack. I did have a full spool for a while. But I'm not much of a drag race guy so I took it out. Nice Vids man. I eliminated TC on my car as well.
EDIT: I really like those wheels
Did you notice a lot of new driveline noise when you installed your relocation kit? Any idea if it was heavier than the stock setup?
I'm looking into doing this, just want to make sure I'm 100% sure on what I'm getting into with it.
@@Greenlightfilming No, I made sure my Pinion Angle was good. I noticed on my car at least with a 2in drop that even when I adjust my lca in the back up or down a hole in my brackets my PA is stays within spec. I did have like a rubbing sound going over bumps and it took me a while to find out where it was. With the BMR T56 cross member with TRQ Arm relocation you have to trim part of the mounting bracket at the rear end for it to mount into the 2nd set of holes on the Moser 12 Bolt. I have an older Moser 12 bolt so I'm not sure if it's still that way or not. It cured its rubbing immediately. LoL.althought not long after I started getting a vibration in 5th-6th gear from 65-85mph. Discovered that the 5-6 cluster which is pressed on had worked lose. TDP has a great repair service for this and has never had a come back. I'm out of state visiting family so if theres massive spelling and grammar errors I'm on my phone...lol
* BIG QUESTION & HELP*
What other differentials will fit like the 12 bolt that will connect to stock wiring? My 10 bolt is broken down as expected.
Strange makes a great direct fit 12 bolt. You can also find a fabricated 9" style from places like Strange, Moser, Midwest Chassis, Quick Performance etc.
You can also rebuild the 10 bolt.
Nice vid! But question...you got aftermarket lca's and panhard bar and a dam fine rear setup...but still a stock torque arm? What gives? That should the first or at least included with the other bars you have. Your losing torque traction time and reliability keeping that stamped piece of metal.
Replacing the torque arm adds quite a bit of cost to what was already spending a decent chunk on the car.
I totally agree with you that the factory one isn't up to par with most aftermarket torque arms. Just doing it all a step at a time.
Very informative video. You were explaining when the reluctor wheel spins the magnetic pick up reads a sine wave. Sine wave as I know it is a/c voltage and cars are d/c. Am I missunderstanding something? Let me know so I can understand this better. Great video.
The best of my understanding is that the way these sensors function is is like a sine wave because of the inductance of the reluctor wheel as it passes the magnetic pickup.
Cars do run on nominal 12vDC charging systems, yes. However, a subsystem could definitely utilize a signal like this that the ECU would be able to interpret, much like a crank trigger.
Some components of late model cars also use serial/data links to make modules communicate. Its not all entirely archaic DC electronics.
@@Greenlightfilming thank you for the answer, it is very complex stuff.
@7:46 what are those black sleeve around your coiled springs? Where did you get them?
Hi, I have a 2000 Pontiac transam.Ws6 And I was wondering, have you ever had a problem with a groundwire that makes the headlights and the lights on the - come on such as security light and if so, where is the ground located that will cause that issue?
have you sold your stock rear end? if not im intresting in buying it.
Going to upgrade the rear in my built 2002 Collector Edition Trans Am WS6 Manual eventually. Do you think the Strange steel driveshaft is a necessity ?
I'll probably go with 3.91's too.
I would highly recommend it. The factory aluminum ones are known to twist up and shred like a pop can with hard launches.
My steel one is good for around 800hp.
@@Greenlightfilming what brand did u go with ?
Hello from Romania 🇷🇴
I have a 2002 3.8 Pontiac Firebird.
And i am about to change the diferențial oil, also the gasket and the rear wheel barings.
I also have the limited slip diferențial, i need that Lucas oil and the little botle with slip diferențial writen on it ?
That Borla exhaust tho!!
Sounds awesome in person. Cameras rarely do audio justice
GreenLightFilming oh I’m familiar. Dad ran one on his 95 T/A!
Any idea where to find a clock spring for these? My horn doesn’t work and traced it to that but can’t find one
Hmm, I'm not sure to be honest. Havent had to look for one fortunately.
Where you able to fix the wheels sticking out more in one side then the other ? @
great video, I was curious, how hard is it to remove the parking brake cables?
It's not that bad. Just need to get the right grab on them and they will come out. You'll figure it out when you look at the clips.
@@Greenlightfilming ok great thank you
@4:23 my E-brake & hard brake line braket does not have the notch in it to remove the brakelines without disconnecting. It came off of my 2000 SS Camaro. Did you notch those brakets yourself?
Nope. They are notched like that from the factory.
@@Greenlightfilming interesting my camaro brackets are not. I may notch them while I have them off, because bleeding the brakes just to take a bracket off is a bit silly.
I need a rear end for 2002 firebird. what's the total cost for parts and labor
Hi, I'm getting ready to put in a QP 9" rear W/Strange center section. currently running 3.73 posi . 11.80 @114 with Cheney LS1. Do you know of a source for backing plates, since I would like to sell my 10 bolt complete. Hope to see you at BIR or the Rock.
I would recommend keeping the brakes/backing plates from your car. They aren't super cheap to replace and OEM backing plates are tough to find.
Heyy install didn't go so well can anyone tell me why my tires are forward at least one inch. My 28x10.5 rub the quarters behind the door
So this means if I wanted a wider rear end I can put the 12 bolt from a 4th Gen on my third Gen?
I suppose the 4th gen rear end would be wider than one fabricated for a third gen.
I bought my 98 Trans Am with a Strange 12 bolt already installed. I have non working traction control and can't seem to calibrate speedometer. Anything I should be looking for?
The traction control and speedometer are probably two separate issues.
Your rear end will have sensors for ABS/TCC or it won't.
The speedometer reads the output shaft of the transmission. You can set the speedometer in HP Tuners to compensate for non-factory rear tire height and a swapped rear gear.
Nice install. I love doing this stuff to my trans am in my garage. How much did the strange 12 bolt cost you??
They arent cheap, that's for sure. It was about 30% off of a "new" price for everything.
@@Greenlightfilming this is my 3rd 4th generation I've owned...and built... But this trans am needs alot of love... I bought the car from a kid in his 20s. And he was into radio and subwoofers and neon lights underneath the car. So when I bought this car I knew it was going to be a project. From front to back.... I need to do Minor body work and then a complete new paint job. The kid painted the car Black with way tooooo much metal flake..... I'm a proud owner of a 07 Z06 it's my baby... But I'm into building 4th generation f Body's... And this project trans am I bought is going to be just that... A complete remake over... It's going to take a couple years to complete. But she's going to look awesome. I'm installing a four point cage and keeping the back seats in... It's going to be mild engine build. Cam heads header's catback system. It's going to be a show car when complete...
Haven’t watched the video yet. But does anyone know if I can take the tear end from a 99 Camaro and put it in a 99 firebird? Firebird is a manual and Camaro is an auto if that makes a difference. Thanks!
rear ends are the same, only thing that may be different is the rear end gears, depending on the model youre getting it from and the model you have, could be 2.73, 3.23 for the automatics and 3.08 and 3.42 for the manual
what is that garage heater you are using?
It was a 35,000 BTU Mr. Heater. Ran on Propane.
@greenLightFilming is it a loud rear end compared to stock?
Yes, it is louder.
@@Greenlightfilming any recommendations for a quiet r e like stock rear end for a 500hp 4th gen?
Does this mean you are ramping up the power this year?
You got it! It's going to be incremental. Trying to so it smart, and safe.
What is the cost of the Strange differential complete with everything?
Check out their website. Prices have changed but I'd guess we'll over 3k today.
What rear end did you buy, and how much did it cost?
It's a Strange 12 bolt. Bought it used for a couple grand.
Awesome, im no expert but they must of designed that housing because the torque arm mounts right to it!
That's correct, and good observation. Strange casts their own "center section" that they weld their axle tubes to. The torque arm mount fit 100% perfect. I have a more recent video installing a UMI tunnel mounted torque arm. It also fit perfect.
I have a 2001 FBody --why is yours so clean under there and mine is just caked with rust on everything?!?
Probably luck of the draw. If yours was driven in the winter/rain constantly it will be more corroded. This one was pretty well kept.
I was thinking of getting this rear for my 95’
I would recommend this rear end if you are driving your car hard, and/or have a lot more power than stock.
My car is making 330 wheel and it was 275 crank stock. I don’t drive it too hard, it’s more of a cruiser. I haven’t raced at all. I’d probably be better off keeping the 10 bolt.
If you only plan on cruising it/being pretty nice I might not recommend replacing it. It's not exactly "cheap" all told.
GreenLightFilming yeah. The strange rear was 2200 on summit but it went up to 2700. It’s an investment😂
Yep... need that, plus a driveshaft and fluids/shipping + tax. It adds up QUICK lol
What type of springs do you have on the car?
Summit racing lowering springs
GreenLightFilming sweet! But I don’t plan on lowering the car
Are you going to get a new torque arm?
I will do the drive shaft after the rear-end is all good.
Thank you very much for these videos! This is going to help a lot.
@p_ymmas
No problem. It's a ton of fun shooting them. Hope they are helpful
Why did u not install a thicker swaybar?
Money doesn't grow on trees
@@Greenlightfilming u did not get the money tree that was being given away?
Lol...just kidding man.
Project and swap was well done....great details....awesome
Lol I hear you. Wish I had one in my backyard!!!
Enjoying your channel...however, get your self some garage lights. Check out the Amazon LED linkable lights....they are cheap and amazing
Garage remodel coming. It's a proper turd right now, I know lol.
How much power can this rear end hold?
Think they are rated around 8-900?....
GreenLightFilming I think I’m gonna need a Ford 9inch because I plan making 900-1100 hp to the crank so to the wheels around 840-1050 whp
Might be ok if you are running an auto. Stick cars are a lot tougher on parts. Think the numbers I mentioned are for m6 cars. Could be wrong.
GreenLightFilming yeah probably because I have a 4l60e and the power I want will destroy that trans. I plan on going TH400 or 4l80e
Makes sense to me. Lots of people use both of those transmission making toye level of power. Either is probably a good choice.
Good Work Sub U
Thanks buddy!
You’re going past the torque wrench clicks. You can get one that beeps if you think it will help you with over torque’s
Nice video, but you gotta watch a how to solder video.