No escape for "Escape"
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- čas přidán 3. 09. 2011
- This is a sequence of photographs I took of the 80th Round the Island Yacht race June 2011. The Dragonfly 28 trimaran "Escape" seen capsizing off the coast of the Isle of Wight at St Catherines Point. All crew were rescued safely.
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Amazed that the mast didn't break. Even more amazed that they had the sheets cleated in that weather. Most amazed that the couldn't dump the sheets before they went swimming...
Would be cleated because of the load. Big kite, hard to constantly hold. Easy to be caught out while racing. Good practice tipping over while racing and having support crews around.
Fantastic shots. Well done Brian. So much to learn from the sequence.
I find the comments more amusing than the video and is evidence that most CZcams commenters have never sailed out of their armchair.
useful quip. thanks chap. we all learned about your ego.
Haha ironically you became the very person you are criticising, an arm chair warrior. Interestingly the sail was over powered for the conditions, if enough people are saying it, what do you think, it must have some weight of truth in it.
💯 accurate summary
Nice thing about a Trimaran, if you turtle the boat you can still float.
Having been on a tri that turtled, and also on a lead mine that went straight down I can second the thought that an inverted tri floating is better than treading water.
mainsheet cleated all the the time, centerplate fully down and did not release the spinnaker sheet. No further comment!
No kidding... the crew mustve been inside hiding in the corners!
Agreed though I'll try & dig up what actually happened, (perhaps a report?) possible gear failure - sometimes one can get so fixated on solving problem A to move onto another in time. Difficult without realtime view. Possibly crew were not experienced tri-sailors and weren't aware it was already overpowered
@@user-mj6sl9qv8j My guess is that the main was cleated because you cant hold on to it for an entire race around an Island, and the trimmer fell or something from the impact of going probably around 20 knots boat speed to 0.
@@user-mj6sl9qv8j you'd have to be pretty much in sensory deprivation to fail to notice with that amount of sail, on that sea, with those winds, that something wasn't right...
Might have jammed.
As an experienced racer this type of boat with this much sail up needs a crack crew that’s “on it”. I love the effort, it must have been a great ride to the crash site. Lesson? Know your limitations, regarding type of boat and amount of sail.
I remember sailing past this upturned trimaran, after the crew had been recovered. I was on a Moody 33. Quite a few of the boats entered had not started or had retired by then. First time I've ever seen the photos. It was blowing some 25-27 kts on the eastbound leg.
Fantastic series of photos! Personally I would have been sailing with a least one reef and would not have used the spinnaker on the reach in these conditions, I would have waited till I was sailing downwind or at least broad reaching. But then I'm a scaredy cat! The spi was dumped quickly enough but it seemed the main was not dumped at all. The rescue boat was unbelievably quick on the scene! Well done the skipper of that rib.
Too late for the main bc the boom already in the water after the spin blown. You can let the sheet out but once the boom is in the water it won't pay out. Same way another tri capsized while flying spin in high wind.
These videos make me wonder about two things. First, why not have a quick release pull line for the top of the kite? Pull the line, and the top of the kite is free from the halyard. Of course the second is a design big design flaw. The trampolines should be made from open webbing, so they will spill water. Once the ama dug in, the trampoline plowed under the water. The windward trampoline was caught by the wind, which only made matters worse. The top of the ama is flat, which also causes it to be buried under the water. It needs to be rounded off so it doesn't dig in.
ffs, is this the Prout snowgoose of Tris? what's with the hard tramps O.o
your right about the trampolines, they do have holes but just not big enough to drain enough water and they do act as a sail on the other side, rope or bigger mesh type trampolines would have been a better for this weather and waves.
The dragonfly are supposed to be unsinkable boats (they may flounder) but not sink all the way!
@@sebell69 It looks like it didn't sink. Just flipped over. I am sure they flipped it back upright.
It needs an automatic system to loosen the sails when it senses the boat tipping.
AKA a crew. Stuff happens, but that’s a lot of sail for those conditions, that thing could have been hammering with just the mainsail on a broad reach. Add just the jib and that boat would have been humming
Loved it great sequence in pics
Brilliant shots it's taught me something so important, I thankyou 😊
I am so glad they got out OK.
We all Learn from our mistakes,
those who don't- don't improve - those who don't try harder next time & Learn for that experience or from others making mistakes- never achieves perfection.
Those who think they know it all, usually know nothing, or has never pushed the Envelope- & survived- in my experience- never judge people on their mistakes- Learn from them - thank them for their knowledge & experience of making mistakes for you to Learn at no cost to yourselves.
So I say thankyou to photographer & to skipper & crew - 🤠🙈🙉🙊👍
Darn it bro that sucks. Seen it happen and it’s never petty. To the armchair critics: it’s called racing guys, shit happens fast.
In the last 2 Americas Cups all finalists and winners have capsized at some point in the campaign, and no team that hasn’t capsized has made finals.
Why? Call it boundary knowledge.
It's all fine until someone gets hurt or worse. Then it's yahoos, being idiots and causing real damage. This stuff should not happen. If it does, you are being irresponsible.
@@winstoncat6785how do you know the crew of this boat weren’t being responsible? Yacht racing has intrinsic risks and anyone who reckons they can be reduced to 0 is spinning a line of bullshit.
Over powered, lifted a hull and kept going…. The end…. Well done.
Nice photos, but I can't think of a more disturbing transition effect.
@ 2x playback speed, it's not as abrasive.
Could spilling the mainsail have helped the yacht from rounding up into the wind .. which seemed to be the pivot point of boat flipping ?
Yes
But you notice the Dragonfly didnt sink. Thats one of the company's stated safety features. It will not sink. Period.
Its actually good for the interior, electronics, and motor to be submerged.
@@Orcinus1967 yep. They need a yearly rinse. Owners like this are great for these boats!
It's amazing how many dumb comments there are from people that have never experienced a capsize before, never mind ever having sailed a multihull. When you're racing you try to go as fast as you can. Things can and do wrong. It's how we become better sailors. Rescue boat was there pronto fortunately. Sailing is not for sissies.
Trygve Roberts. Comments are mostly fair criticism. I've raced for 40 years, partly professionally on formula multihulls. I've also designed and built racing multihulls, sailed several Dragonflys and visited the wharf. They are great boats, although I disagree with the small ama theory.
In this case, the reason for the capsize is definitely not the boat design, but obviously that both sheets were cleated. In racing mode and this wind strength, the mildest correct description is "incompetence". Probable reason: Monohull sailors. The gennaker gets released, (way too slow) and the main not at all. No boat could handle this treatment.
Righting this boat would be fairly quick and easy. Flooding one ama is one way, but normally pulling it over the ends is easier. The RIB that arrives at the scene could probably have done the job in a few minutes.
I have had a jammed main sheet and was able to clear it and recover but I had more time and was lucky enough that I wasn’t thrown out of position. When you are pushing equipment this fast att the max limit it doesn’t take much to go to (beyond recoverable).
A solo boat crossing an ocean in the same conditions would be sailed much more conservatively. They had appropriate safety margins in place imo.
Not for sissies or the weak of wallet.
People can die in accidents like this. And these accidents are 100% preventable.
@SteinVarjord how can you call it incompetence when you don't know what happened. Could have been a rope/cleat that jammed. Easy to be caught out when racing. Someone could have slipped as the same time as a gust hit and couldn't reach the cleat in time. Many possible scenarios. Even the experts capsize, look at the America's cup racing for example, they also capsize, are you sayingthey are incompetent as well?
Can you flood one pontoon put airbag on mast and refloat ?If this is possible I would not be leaving my boat .
Love some of these comments from the armchair brigade who have never been in a trimaran let alone turtled in one. Guys, things happen quick and its hard to walk uphill hanging on while trying to get leverage to let a sheet go. I know this, been there. Its the kite that did them in. A masthead kite and when the bow staked the center of effort went straight forward and over the top digging it in more. Setting a kite at about 3/4 mast height (ie a smaller one) would have reduced this problem. As for letting the main go, sure, that would also move the center of effort well forward too. Just what you want, right? I think not. Sheet it in and bring the draft aft. As for those lead mine lovers, sure it may have come back up, but having also had a J boat go down under me with all the washing up I can tell you that I'd rather be on an upside down multi that floats than swimming as the boat goes down under me.
I sail tris too and it does look to me like it was recoverable by dumping the main after the boat has rounded up. At that point it was first the main and then the tramp that was pushing her down, after they'd dumped the kite. It's not a critique of the crew; I've pitchpoled a couple of times in a blow and that teaches you humility, but if I had video of those I know I would watch it over and over to figure what I should have done to keep her mast pointing the right way.
@Bonkeli :: Incorrect :: It doesn't work like that down wind. AND because its a multi-hull you can't round up like a mono-hull when broaching. You have to point it further down wind but since he was burred in a wave....nothing he could do.
it's a very good and excellent video
Video??
Most stable hull-form you can have - inverted multi-hull.
A monohull resting on the ocean floor is far more stable than a floating inverted multihull.
@@steveturansky9031 Ha ha
LOL. Good one.
it did not sink .....
A gif, this needs to be a gif!
Should they have had the centerboard up ?
Powerpoint is back, wow
They failed to dump the main and a round up with still sheeted in main pushed to boat over.
Too much sail for the wind will do this. Obviously.
thats a lot of sail up. wow
All I can say is, SAD 😥
Why? it is how great memories are made. They are racing. I bet they considered this senario happening at some stage. What is lucky is they have great pictures to show people.
Why didn't they let the main sheet completely go and why did they hang onto the Spinniker so long?
Maybe it jammed. Maybe they slipped.
Wit those seas why would you be carrying so much sail ?
Spinnakers are for lite wind sailing,they were their own worst enemy in the accident
Get a life
They were racing, you push things to the max. Just weren't quick enough to release the kite.
@@AORD72yep,then you sink a perfectly good boat……
@@cappyjpadgett They don't sink they are full of flotation. it would have been reflipped and been back out sailing in no time. Have you ever been racing in rough conditions? I have and I've seen many yachts flipped, de masted, sails blown out, walls of white water go over boats, yachts launch off waves, yachts colliding etc. Even been on a 20 foot yacht that once sunk with a jammed kite and it was sailing the next weekend. These things can be expected while racing, you don't win by holding back, you have as much sail up as you can, to go as fast as you can.
@@AORD72 ok,so would you wanna flip? And then there’s the. Nance the mast would break right?
I think they underestimated the full-potential with using their spinnakers as though spinnakers primarily intent at low gust of wind as yet the spinnakers not to be the ideal solutions in the lightweight boats
It's racing. You carry as much sail as you can. They just failed to ease the kite in time.
Surprised the main was sheeted
Its quite clear seeing the sail trim what happened and final touch wind on tramp effect - easily preventable on any boat by just blowing all sheets fast and early enough - of course knowing your boat is crucial to anticipate/sense you're on/near that edge - sure a gust can suprise you knock you over in second - so having eyes to weather calling gusts helps and sheets in hand ready to release in an instant - in a race its faster to trim in again than recover from a broach or capsize - says I with 5 decades+ sailing-racing-bluewater deliverys-charter skipper and former AK halibut longliner - no armchair here LOL
Wind on tramp effect? I did not see the initial event. To me it looked like they may have pitch poled, or dug the port pontoon into a wave. looking up broach now...ah. So they probably broached?
@@Orcinus1967 The trampoline also is affected by windage- once one the amas/hulls is up just enough then it exacerbates /adds to the windage on the sails etc an extra push is added to contribute to going over. The tramps can also complicate righting the vessel if the wind catches them before it righted. I've heard of and not common where if the winds were really high the webbing had to be loosened to either remove trampoline or slack enough to open a slot for the wind not keep flipping back over
Thank you for edifying everyone. @@josemrodriguez3080
Fanstastic series of shots, but the transitions between them are very distracting. Can you do another version where perhaps the transitions are simple fades in and out in place? (I'd think the faster the better).
Great photo's a visual lesson to us all. What I don't get is how they managed to release the kites sheet but failed to release the main sheet. I can only imagine some one froze.Better trained crew called for.I certainly would not be putting out in those conditions with crew that were inexperienced in dealing with them and definitely would not fly a kite if I had. How many seconds do your pics cover?
Once the boat's hulls are up like that, the windage on them is also large, and added to momentum, waves, and still some force from the sail, as well as losing any dagger board effect, or keel force, you are pretty much going over.
Yes you are quite right , the trick is to prevent it happening in the first place.@@winstoncat6785
@@winstoncat6785 Yeah, the rig is still accelerating while the ama has stopped dead .. .. .....
In that kind of conditions you always sail with the mainsheet in your hand. If the skipper hade let go of it at once it wouldn´t have tipped over backwards at all and they could have continued sailing.
Thank you for the comment. I’m not a sailor at all, but I questioned if this was avoidable.
Your comment supports my thought that this was preventable.
Rule #1 from dinghy sailing with a smallish child of yours as inexperienced crew when it's squawly and there is some chop and swell, and you are sailing "carefully". I mean, if you ever sailed a dinghy with the intent to stay upright in any weather on the sea, you would not have failed to notice, keeping the main sheet in your hand at all times is essential....also, if any 28 foot boat resembles a dinghy in its sailing characteristics, then it will be a 28 foot, lightweight, racing trimaran....The spinnaker would have to have been dropped with the main though. The spinnaker was a massive problem for them and should not have been up in the first place.
can you do another version where it is a video of the boat wiping out?
Just reef. You'll still make the same speed.
On top of everything else, this ^^
I wonder? After all was said and done, how much damage was there to the boat and the rigging? Was the boat subsequently repaired or was it taken as a total loss?
If I recall correctly, they lost the mast.
Did they salvage the boat?
+bparno they float
Atleast it didnt sink.
should of got a corsair
That zoom in effect is very annoying!
so he's using the water current to sail ?
Les air-bags existent pour les voitures...pourquoi pas en tête de mât pour les multis !!! C.D.
Geezus
now that would suck
Dump the halyard for the kite, let the main sheet go. Looks the kooks were intentionally trying to sink that Dragonfly. Also maybe the leeward ama had the hatch open as it appears to be full of water .
I would not have paid them a cent of insurance. That is just negligent sailing..
Most annoying transition I've ever seen. It was difficult to see exactly what was happening because of that weird special effect.
Why they dont pulled the spinmaker,its dangerous for the upwind.
Would it have been less likely to happen if the trampolines had been removed for the high winds?
it' s better on Open 750, the boat we see
Welcome to the Solent, where the triamarans are inverted and the sailors are trying to get a nomination for the Darwin awards.
It is called racing.
JAAAAAA JAAAAA!!!!!! DO YOU THINK WE 'RE STUPID?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
If you race perfomance multihulls and you have never capsized?
Then you haven't really raced performance multihulls.
Which is fine. It's just a bit rich to then criticise those that do and who inevitably push it over the limit. That's racing.
Christ, even Ben Ainsley and Jimmy Spithill tip theirs over every now and again.
Transitions between photos made me want to vomit.
Got to love that lump of lead under my monohull... :) Slower yes, but a wipeout like this is pretty easy to have happen....
I don't know if its so much the lump of lead as much as the transition from being OK to in serious trouble is rather abrupt. In a monohull, you have all the time in the world to react as the stability curve is much more gradual. In a tri or cat, you go from a very stiff initial stability to capsize in short order. Its harder to predict when you are in trouble before it is too late. I've sailed a 14 ft Hobie in conditions I had to motor with my monohull.
I suspect you can still sink. I been on a mono with a jammed kite, and it semi sunk after water entered the cabin.
Could happen to any trimaran in this kind conditions with not professional crew.
main sheet??? sorry, but they reacted like they didnt sail this boat. Shame for the boat. too slow...
NOOO NOOO don't worry it's a joke!!!!!! :)
All round poor seamanship. Too much sail, too much ego. Hope someone learned a lesson.
You don't win races with the least amount of sail.
First of all, no one was on the windward hull, both sitting there in the cockpit. Then stupid skipper didn't dump the mainsheet. Then stupid crew didn't dump the spin sheet. Probably nub.
They were racing and heading downwind. How do you know if the leeward sheet wasn't jammed? Calling people stupid doesn't make you an expert.
A good lesson here on how to turn a potentially good video into the most annoying video. Could you not have just made a video out of the photos? Unbearable to watch--after 20-seconds I just jumped forward.
Its because he didnt take the video. He just got the pictures on the internet and made it into a video. And the drone or heli probably didnt have the ability to take video. Cameras like that do exist
Was she recovered?
Spinnakers should be outlawed. No one knows when to use them, and more importantly, when not to.