Heron marked swords are an ancient way to signify the wielder is a blademaster. This predates the Seanchan ancestors leaving the Westlands centuries ago, so it's why the custom is present on both sides. They have to be earned, hence why Turak said "let's see what it takes to earn it on this side of the ocean". He thought Rand was another blademaster and challenged him to a duel, but Rand wasn't having any of that. Rand's dad earned his blade while fighting in the Aiel war 20 years back.
Mat was shouting 'time to toss the dice' after blowing the horn. Moghediens nickname was the spider. Loved the reaction and personally really enjoyed the episode.
Ishamael gave up at the end, thats why he just stopped firing and stood there He never wanted to kill Rand, he could have done that a 1000 times. He wanted Rand to join him His logic at the end is that he will return eventually so might as well wait for that. He knew he had lost when Rand's shielding broke and all his friends were there. He never would have turned Both Ishamael and Lanfear didn't want to harm Rand for their own reasons. The rest of the Forsaken are nowhere near as kind
Because the show doesnt follow the books,Ishamael the destroyer of hope is boderline straight evil,plus he is the strongest channeler currently since Rand hasnt gotten Lews Therin memories,he could have easily destroyed Rand and his friends but he just stood there waiting to be killed😂😂,men in the show are weak😂🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
As Lan states, he and Lanfear were very close to Lews. I don't think either want to see Rand die, I don't think they wanted Lews to die. They want him to join them.
Yup, it's the only course that makes sense. Though part of me wanted her left collared, and obviously a sul'dam, for the effect it'd have amongst the seanchan...
Ishy has been feeding Matt lies that dig into his insecurities. When Matt blew the horn (in the TV show version), Matt was given the truth/knowledge of his past lives, which made him realize he was a good person rather than the person Ishy was trying to convince him he was (lies + tea). He also understood he was not bad/unworthy person he though himself to be most of his life. That he might even be a real hero. As a side note, the end of season 1 (when Barney Harris left and the COVID limitations were in place), forced quickly last minute re-write to the ending. Those changes also impacted season 2 very significantly - not only for Matt, but everything else (if you read the books, you may get a better understanding at how large a change this forced). They basically had to go through a whole season of slowly rebuilding Matt by figuring out a way to hit his major character development points to fit into the (new) version of Season 2. But now Matt is truly and fully Matt again. And that should be really fun in season 3.
Yeah it's sad but everything that happened with S1 caused S2 to be completely rewritten Rafe told us in a Q&A this wasnt the original story he wanted to tell, but leaned i to the characters being separated because of how the chips fell after S1 issues.
In S2E2 Verin mentioned many prophesies including ‘the sword of fire and the branded hand that wields it..’ - that’s why the camera shows the fact that a hot sword burns!
Lanfear tells Moraine to raise thr banner. Moraine knows thr prophecy that Rand must declare at Falm, Moraine creates the fire dragon as a sigil to declare the dragon. Everyone is cheering because they know the prophecy of their city, and they know what that fire dragon means.
A little triva: The hero of the horn on the left who said he has fought countless times with Mat is King Artur Hawkwing (the legendary King Arthur). 2000 years ago, he conquered all of Randland. Not satisfied, he sent his son and a fleet of 300k soldiers to conquer another continent across the ocean and were never head from again... till the end of season 1 when they returned as the Seanchan. Historically, masters of the blade wielded a heron marked blade as a sign of their prowess with the sword. Since the Seanchan were originally from this land, they still have the same custom of heron marked blades too.
I was thinking that’s him! One of my favorite parts is Mat casually telling Tuon he knows Hawkwing and that they can chat later. Because when Tuon sees how casually they talk she will lose her mind.
Also if you notice, the weaves used by Moiraine are far more complex and take a lot of time and hand moving (in the books it is explained that some weaves, especially 100 weaves of the Aes Sedai testing are so needlessly complex that some of them cannot be done without using hands as a focal point). I think it compensates for the lack of Moiraine’s raw power. If you remember correctly, in S01E01, Moiraine launches multiple medium sized fireballs on trollocs almost instantaneously, which implies she was relying on raw strength rather than complex weaves. Also when Egwene is fighting Ishamael, she is using a broad range defensive weave rather than an offensive weave like Moiraine used in S01E08. Had she tried attacking Ishamael rather than just defending, it would have ended as badly as it had for Moiraine if not worse. Also shield used by Egwene was made of fine, streamlined flows. In books RJ explicitly says that dexterity can make up for lack in raw power. . . . . . . . . MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD It is often mentioned by her teachers (both Aes Sedai and others) that the remarkable pace at which she learns a new thing is amazing. And Egwene is one of the most if not the most dexterous weaver of one power in white tower by the end of the series.
I have heard the observation that power levels for the one power are whatever they need to be for the sake of the story. Book Moirane doesn't have anything close to the power needed to do what she did...which I am fine with. Rule of cool works here just fine.
@@joeleek9976I agree with you halfway. The power levels or power scaling is given in the Wheel of Time Companion book which is kind of an annex to the main story. And power levels are consistently described in the books as well. However, outcome of battles between channelers are rarely decided by power levels alone. It often also incorporated skill/dexterity, creativity, experience and even element of surprise. I could quote many examples from books where low ranked channelers defeated very high ranked ones but I don't know if you have read the books so I don't want to write major spoilers in the comments.
@@eeshanchaudhary30 I started reading the books when the shadow rising was the newest installment. I re-read the series whenever a new book came out. I am aware of what you speak. It's why I don't agree with the temper tantrum many book readers are throwing over this adaptation, but I understand where it is coming from.
In the Seachan society, NO ONE knew the truth about the Sul'dam being able to channel. This revelation will cause A LOT of problems for them if it gets out. Sul'dams don't know that they could channel because they are not natural channelers. They are the women who can learn to channel, but they are extremely weak. This is why it takes them years to learn how to touch the One Power. Once they do, they can become a Sul'dam.
Lews Therin's plan was solid though. If he had killed the Forsaken, they would have been reborn in the next age, and who knows how that might have gone. Had he foreseen the Dark One's counterstrike, it would have worked all right.
Right? Didn't even break an hour and a half. I'd say you have nothing to worry about length wise until you surpass one of The Dusty Wheel's aftershows. Not that I'd complain even then 😊
You were one of my favorite reactor/ reviewers this season. You ask the right questions and on the right tracks with many concepts this show gives. Keep it up and cant wait to see your reactions for season 3!
From what I understand, the change of the actor still affected Mat's stotyline even in season 2 because the major rewrites they had to make for the end of season 1 meant that Mat wasn't narratively in the place he was originally supposed to be at the end of season 1, which meant they had to rewrite a lot of his season 2 storyline as well.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain -- Old Tongue for "It's time to roll the dice." Mat 'remembered' all of his past lives. He knows who his soul is while still in this lifetime. And that phrase is - his - .
Great analysis and you ask some very good questions. This episode did a great job of tying up some plot threads and setting things up for Season 3. I love your reactions and can't wait for next season. You pick up pretty much every nuance of what is really going on, which shows how well the show is doing at setting things up.
Mat does take a backseat in the first two books especially, aside from his big moment blowing the horn he only really starts to become Mat in book 3+. He will have his time to shine in future seasons, as will rand. Next season will be big for them both I think! This episode is my favourite thing I've ever seen on screen, and its great to see it hitting first timers as hard as it hit for me! What a finale :)
Yeah, sometimes prime fucks up the subtitles it's happened a couple of times in The Wheel of Time, if I recall correctly. I can't remember which exact episodes but I remember it happening in season 1 at some point...Where the subtitles are just slightly off but also you can totally understand why someone may have thought that the actor was saying the other phrase cuz it's similar kinda. And we might catch it because we've listened to their voices potentially more of than someone who was just doing the captions for the show.
Aisha your channel dropped in my recommended feed a few weeks ago. And I just have to say what a gem you are! If you aren't a psychologist woman.... damn you should be! Maybe you should do a TedTalk therapy segment for all us WoT book readers because, once again damn, you have a gift delving into the psyche, trauma and motivations of characters you have just met. So thank you from a book reader to a non book reader - you have a sense of these characters and their story underwhelmingly mastered by many in love with this story. Nothing to spoil anything for you below, just a couple of things already established in the show. The Sul'Dam and Damane - when either dies the connection is broken. However the effects of a double collar situation was never explored in the books. Remember when Siuan told Rand in E7 he wasn't a spoke in the wheel he is "the water that turns the wheel itself, or shatters it"? Ishy's desired outcome is shown several times so far in the show: one is during the tea scene he asked Mat "wouldn't it be great to just stop it" (paraphrasing there). Ishy wanted Rand to shatter it and stop the endless cycle. But being the master you are you picked up on that toward the end. S1E1 when Egwene gets her braid to signify she is a woman. The show established that rite of passage as a very big deal in the Two Rivers and very much tied to identity for women in that community. Renna cutting Egwene's hair & stepping on it with her bad ass boot was a very 'bitch now you REALLY gonna die' moment. That was the slice heard round the globe for book fans. The fire dragon was the declaration proclaiming the Dragon Reborn.
Thanks so much! And while I reduced Egwene's involuntary haircut to a hiccup in the reaction, I knew it was the final straw for her as far as Renna was concerned once she could get her lick back 🤣
Rand was able to break the seal because he was also using A Sa'angreal a powerful artifact that channelers use to boost and multiply their power by a lot which Moiraine gave Rand in the eye of the world
I found your channel the other day and binged through both seasons of your WoT reaction vids. Wot is my fav book series - been reading them since I was 13 (also a Laneave shipper lol). I've absolutely loved watching your reactions - they were giving me life. Thanks for A+ content and I look forward to watching s3 reactions!
Love your videos so much! Just wanted to fill you in about Ny’s block. Nyneave’s block is an actual literal block. She can’t consciously choose to channel at all because of it. It’s actually pretty common in channelers that don’t realize they’re channelers until later in life. For Ny, it is totally based in her fear of the Power, but it’s not just Ny being afraid in the moment. The Block is worse now bc of what happened with Ryma. She finally met an Aes Sedai that could be a mentor, who helps her channel intentionally for the first time EVER, and that first channeling ends up causing Ryma to be captured as a slave & her warder murdered. I’m not at all surprised that it ended up making Ny’s block even worse. So it wasn’t that any decided that she wasn’t ready to channel. She just literally couldn’t because she’s so badly blocked right now. This set her up to being SUPER determined to break her block next season, and I cannot wait!
The Horn of Valere calls the Heroes of Legends to come and help it's holder. In the book, Mat was a great generals for thousands of lives. He has gained the skills and knowledge of his past memories in the show.
"Dark Nynaeve Era Loading and I'm for it!" You're not the only one. Mat's parts of this episode were my favorite, because so much of it was unexpected (not expected by me, anyway). And his solution to the dagger problem was very much him. "Lan, you better stop being so damn hot!" Not gonna happen. I've been wondering all through what the purpose of the daughter-heir was. She seemed like an extra character, and good writers don't have extra characters, not with that much screen time. But, in a burst of sunlight and soft focus, I think we can see the road ahead. 🙂
The aes sedai were originally both men and women together, not just women. The male half of the aes sedai is called the dragons fang. The female white half is called the flame or tear. Together they form balance, good and evil, or the yin yang symbol. The forsaken were part of the orignal male and female aes sedai 3000 years ago (not sure if all the forsaken were aes sedai, but I think so), and that is why they mostly wear black and white.
Loiel says it perfectly "We are all Hero's in a new Age of Legends" each of the Edmonds Field 5 have amazing story arc's as the book series foretells. Mat really takes off in book 4 along with Rand. Perrin becomes my favorite stud through the books and Egwayne and Nyneave Grow so steady throughout the books and stay true to their core selves. Nyneave being the protector and Egwayne being the leader made of steel. Love your review !!
38:27 everyone was cheering because there was a commonly known prophecy of The Dragon Reborn that ststed he would "save the city of Falme in its greatest hour of need, and his banner would be written in fire across the sky." So all these people are experiencing a deeply quasi-religeous return of the savior moment.
I've come to enjoy your reviews and analysis of each episodes. I read the books, but I'm enjoying the adaptation and reaction of non book readers like yourself. Keep up the good work
Matt gets his memories of his past lives in a different way in the books. But he does blow the horn in desperation. His father taught him how to use a quarterstaff. In the books that is. They drastically changed Matt's family for the show.
What Lanfear did was called "Traveling". It is a lost art in the current age, but common amongst people before the breaking. You also have to be strong in the power. To be more specific, in the current age, many Aes Sedai are average in the One Power. The ones above average can use "Traveling" if they know the weaves, but it will take them A LONG time to study and learn it. The stronger people are with the One Power, the easier it is for them to learn weaves. There are also Aes Sedai who have special talents, but this will be revealed later...in season 3. 😁
There are a lot of grumbles about Mat's lack of usefulness so far (both from book readers and show onlys), but in fairness to the books, that's pretty much how he was more or less for the first few books. One of the ways that Jordan distinguished between the main 5 is how they respond to the call to action/refusing the call in the hero's journey. Egwene is notable for no refusal at all, and Mat is notable for refusing the call longer than the rest. In general, most book readers don't start to like Mat as a character until either book 3 or 4. Once he comes into his own, many readers consider him their favorite. I heard next season will be mostly book 4 and book 4 is really when Mat accepts that his friends are all living crazy lives and if he loves them, he needs to be all in. The way they handled him and the horn here makes me believe that for show purposes, he has already/finally accepted the call. 😁 As always, I love your videos!
haha, i only started liking Mat after book 7.....Now i love all of the Emmond Fielders/Two Rivers Five, but Perrin will always be my favourite/number one 🙂
Finally seeing Egwene get her lick back was so glorious if not a bit short-lived, but at last vindication for our girl yassss! I was yelling at the TV during that whole scene. Renna deserved every minute of that! Egwene held it down and she got better control of her powers. I'm excited to see where season 3 takes her as a character with her new found strength. Matt was another character whom I'm excited to see more of if the coming season. Season 2 feels like it finally set his character up to be much more visible and important. The new forsaken are about to really shake sh*t up if spiderwoman at the end has Lanfear gagged like that! I wonder who the 6 are and how the other DFs were at the beginning of season 2. So much to look forward to. I'm sad to see the season end, but this was an epic and extremely satisfying finale. I really enjoyed your reactions every week. I'm going to have to watch some other of the shows you're reacting to in the meantime until season 3! Thanks for all the fun this season I really enjoyed it!
I really like your reactions and reviews! You have some great insights about the main characters. In regards to Mat, he wasn't really well liked or known in the first 2 books. However, once he has his arc, the became a fan favorite! I agree with you that he's not getting much screen time in the show and am looking forward to seeing more about him next season.
The Horn of Valere is an ancient artifact that calls all the greatest heroes from history to fight along with the hornsounder. You are correct that in the show blowing the horn did show Mat his past lives and allow him access to past memories. Also, you mentioned a bit about it, but in the books when Nyneave wears the bracelet her reaction is revulsion and feeling sick to her stomach
I am glad they gave Mat a good moment. Looks like there won't be snakes and foxes in this adaptation. Which is fine by me. They were interesting, but not really integral to the story.
@@joeleek9976There are a lot of things they could and should jettison for the show. No menageries please, no shaido, no struggle for the throne for Elayne. Not because I didn't like these things but the story doesn't really need those subplots. In the books they drag on and on. I didn't like this episode as much as some. Matt's transformation seems rushed. That dagger wouldn't stay on his quarterstaff being tied like that. Egwene shouldn't have been able to free herself imo. But the show isn't always internally logical.
@bobc538 I am fine with how Egwene freed herself. It was consistent with their rules of magic and with the character. Mat needed a little more before his big moment...like all the time he must have been practicing his knots to get that dagger to stay.
@@joeleek9976 well, it seems to me that the adam should prevent her from killing Renna with an adam. It creates a double forced circle. But maybe the show isn't going to talk about circles and stuff. Primarily I dislike it because it robs Ny'neave of freeing her and talking about true justice not being killing Renna but putting her in a collar and leaving her to be found by other Sul'dam. Plus the fact that Sul'dam are really Damane who haven't been found yet.
@bobc538 Renna released egwene from the a'dam. Egwene could take the pain better. I found it very fitting for the girl that broke bone break fever. It would have made more sense for the feedback to ramp up as it bounced between them, but TV magic exists to serve the story and is never as consistent as it would be in a book...which I admit can be frustrating to experience. I am thinking of Moirane attacking a seanchen fleet from so far away. She is nowhere near powerful enough to do that...but she needed to be for the story. I had a buddy give me that explanation for how strong Hulk is. He is however strong the story needs him to be.
I love how easily you clocked that Rand is a ho. All it took was one halo and one "What's your name?" and the writers already successfully signalled to you Rand's fallen in love again.
I meaaan??? The better question at a moment like that would have been "Am I going to make it? Has the bleeding stopped?" - you know, pretty much anything to do with his actual well being 😭😭😭
Nynaeve will do anything to save her friends, but I don't think she relish in the power. You're right that she wants to be in control. Using the One Power, for women, is giving up control and embracing the source. This is why she is having such a hard time with accessing her power. I like how well you understand her struggle with her power and why she can't access it. Remember Ryma? She is still blaming herself for causing Ryma to sacrifice herself. This is why Nynaeve is still scared of her power.
Nynaeve's is also in shock, for a good part of this episode. She was connected to the captured Seanchan, when she took that arrow in the throat. Nynaeve felt that!
So the Heroes of the Horn are the greatest heroes throughout the ages. They’re people who have done super heroic things which get them linked to the Horn. They’re then repeatedly spun out into the Pattern whenever the Pattern really needs them for heroic deeds (like Mat’s current life) or it’s just time for them to be spun into another life, (like Uno was). When the Horn is blown, the Heroes who aren’t currently spun out are brought back to semi-life, allowing them to fight on behalf of the Horn sounder. Can’t say much more than that right now bc of spoilers, but I hope this helps!
51:59 Don’t worry, Matrim Cauthon’s story is a little slow to start but when it takes off, it goes off with a bang. I go through phases of favourites but he has always remained my favourite out of the Boys. Love them all but Mat’s story is the coolest😁
To your Forsaken question, in the books Lanfear wore all white all the time, along with lunar and stellar jewelry. Modern television has given us a Forsaken cast who dress in black (and possibly because she's been merged with one of the Forsaken who wore all black who won't be appearing in the show). All of the Forsaken have been given Immortality by the Dark One/Lord of the Grave.
Moghedien(creepy spider lady) is weaker than Lanfear when it comes to raw power. However the entire universe is written so that every character has different "stats" (raw power, channelling skill, different types of intelligence, personally traits, meltal fortitude, political and economic power...) And Moghedien is definitely no joke 👀 Than again, some of the forsaken characters are being merged with others to streamline the story. So show version might be different than book version.
That's so interesting! But I like that, we can't have too many overpowered people, it takes away from the humanity and unexpectedness of the storytelling IMO
Hi! Moghadien was sitting in the room for a while before Lanfear got there so even if she is less powerful than Lanfear she had time to weave her web to catch Lanfear.
The burned in heron mark is part of a prophecy that will come true eventually. He will be marked some spoilery number of times to signify his arrival. I won't say the full quote otherwise you'll know too much information.
The people summoned by the Horn of Valere are the dead heroes from past Ages, at least most of them are. These Heroes are bound to the Horn and are summoned whenever the Horn of Valere is blown. Most of these Heroes are also being reborn (one example is probably Uno). That's why Mat was alive even though he's one of them as he said, and they also told him that they have fought alongside him in countless occasions (in his past lives). The credits at the end of the episode shows the name of two of these Heroes. One is Amaresu, the Japanese-looking woman wielding a samurai, and Artur Hawkwing, the one wearing a helm. Hawkwing was named in s1e2 and mentioned in s2e5 as the great king who forced the Aes Sedai to bound themselves to the Three Oaths.
Does the book ever get into why some (Foresaken) remember their past lives like ...but most dont well thats what Tam said in S1 I dont want a spoiler but just curios bc i dont think Ishmael wasnt lying...all of time..also did season ever explain who lttle girl who is with trulloc in ep 1
@@itowilltube I don't think the books get into details about why some Forsaken remember their past life. If I'm not mistaken, I think only Ishamael claims that. However, the show did suggest the possibility. Ishy said a lot of things were lost since the Age of Legends, and not all technology. The tea he gave Mat is one possibility. Also, there are knowledge we know today that are said to help in regression through hypnosis. That could also be a possibility in the Age ofLegends.
I think the fact that Elayne's wound wasn't life threatening was WHY Nynaeve couldn't channel. Nynaeve subconsciously knew she didn't NEED to, she was perfectly capable of dealing with it as a Wisdom. I think if Elayne had taken an arrow to the neck Nynaeve would have been much more emotionally overwhelmed and would have made herself channel.
People of Falme = Falmen. The Seanchan have sailed across a great ocean to come to the Westlands. Turak is referencing the current continent’s blademasters and is wondering if they have the same skill level he knows from back home in now far-away Seanchan. Moghedien isn’t more powerful than Lanfear, but she got the drop on her. Lanfear hadn’t expected her to be there, so she got caught in her spiderweb. As you can imagine, Moghedien’s nickname is “The Spider.”
People forget in the show Egwene is Ta’veran. I would argue she is in the books too, but at any rate the pattern apparently wants her alive for a reason. So lucky Egwene and Renna survive. Once Egwene is free, we don’t need Renna any more. But here is a question for you. Is Egwene being turned to the dark? That was dark what she did to Renna, no matter how satisfying to us.
Yeah it's kind of wierd in the books how the Super Girls are never described as Ta'veran. When essentially it's an in-universe reason for them being main protagonists.
This has been so much fun!! I look forward to your reactions every week and I'm sad the show is over!😭 I love your reactions but I haven't watched any of the other shows you're doing right now 😭 so I wouldn't be able to follow along. If you ever do: - Xena (90s show) - Buffy The Vampire Slayer (also 90s) - Firefly - Once Upon A Time - Agents of SHIELD I'd love to tag along for those!
We are seeing an Ewgene that doesn't take shit from nobody! Season one she stabbed the mean Whitecoth and season 2, she killed Rena... it's not in the books but she is adorable ❤🎉
I mean, the girls had to do some Fast talking to stop her from killing Renna in the book. Like some Real fast talking. Since the girls were “late” as such, they weren’t there in time to stop her, I guess.
The Seanchan's entire culture believes women who can channel are dangerous and must be collared for everyone's safety. It's a little more complicated in the books, but in the canon of the show, they have damane who are Searchers and can sense channeling ability. The Seanchan also test girls to see who has the talent to use the sul'dam bracelet. But since they're have such a weak connection to the Power, they were never sensed as channelers. That's why the sul'dam Nynaeve caught was panicking that someone would see her. Sul'dam are honored members of society because of their ability to control damane, but channelers (damane) are reduced to slaves and animals. If Renna knew she could channel, she'd have freaked out. They think the reason they can see their damane's weaves and feel an affinity through the beacelet is because of years of skill and practice.. Remember she thinks a damane is not a person. So she definitely would have never thought she could channel too.
The Horn of Valere There are certain souls that are linked to the Horn. How that happened, why those people in particular, who made the Horn.. No one knows and AFAIK it is never really explained or elaborated on in the books. Blowing the Horn just allows for those souls to manifest in the world with enhanced abilities, and they are very good fighters even without those enhanced skills. Sometimes these Souls are being spun into the world as living people, not always remembering who they really are so one of the Heroes could think they are just a random nobody. Mat says he's one fo the Heroes and until he blew the Horn (seemingly giving him back his memories) he had no idea so if he had never blown the Horn he would jsut have kept being the same Mat as before.
I adore your reactions and reviews. Youre so insightful and so much fun to watch! I feel like im chatting eith a friend over coffee, speculating and geeking out. Have tou ever watched Doctor Who? I'd love to see your thoughts on it! Here's hoping we get more WoT episodes next season!
Wow, thank you! I'm gonna miss this show until next season, but happy there will be a next season! I've only watched an episode of Dr.Who here and there, it seems like it's a saga that you can't quite jump into the middle of...
Your reaction is a real joy to watch. I love the way you throw out so many witty comments that crack me up. To answer your question about what Turok meant about when he referenced Rand's sword, normally having a heron mark is a sign that a person is a blademaster. In Rand's case it was his foster dad who was the blademaster but Turok doesnt' know that. He wanted to see if the same level of skill was required in the Westlands to earn the mark as was required in Seanchan. To put it crudely Turok wanted a d**k measuring contents but Rand was in a hurry and couldn't oblige (plus he doesn't have that level of skill with a sword) so he channelled and un-alived the lot of them.
In the book Egwene leaves her in the collar and doesn't kill her knowing that 1. She will spend the rest of her life as a Damane and 2. The Seanchen will realize that the Suldam can channel too thus disrupting their entire society I wish that's how the show went too.
If Moggy fought Lanfear straight out.... she'd lose, 100%. The spider isn't feared because she can win a fair fight, she's feared because the first you know you're fighting her is *after* she kills you using some clever trap.
No spoilers but in response to your critique that Mat didn’t have too much going on the first two seasons, and your hope for him starting to develop more going forward… This is v book accurate and, all I can say is-just wait. 😅
I love you reactions. I've enjoyed your takes this season. One small correction on pronunciation: the people from the season 1 episodes 7/8 that are traveling with Perrin and Loial are call prounounced SHY-NAR-ANS.
As usual your reaction is amazing. I love this show, they are doing an amazing job adapting the books. I think you need a book reader mod to help with spoilery comments. Your comments are mostly great but some times people respond to your questions with good intentions but end up spoiling i think.
Really enjoyed your reactions this season! I'm pretty happy with it, as a book reader; I think they got a lot of good stuff in, and prepared the way for future plotlines as well. (My one quibble with the finale is that Nynaeve is my favorite and I hate seeing her fail, but it did hammer home the issue of her block and underline her channeling-related trauma, so I'll forgive it as setup for next season.) Very satisfying to see Egwene come into her own, especially after the last couple of episodes were so grueling for her. On the one hand, she's going to have some lasting trauma from all that; otoh, she knows the depth of her own resilience, how much she can survive and come back from. I'm with you on how satisfying it was to see her take Renna down! Poor Rand though. There's a lot more to him than his romantic status; I wish you'd give him a little more credit! Maybe the show needs to push harder on what happens to men who can channel - from the reactions, I don't think it's been clear to non-readers how much "protecting people from himself" has been Rand's priority this season, or why he's so terrified of channeling. The animated shorts from season 1 had some of the background info, but not everyone watched them or remembers them, so I hope they bring it back up in s3! Remember Logain's shadow companions in s1e4, who were telling him that everyone was going to betray him and he needed to kill them first? The corruption of the dagger and the corruption of the male side of the One Power are from different sources, but they're both evil forces that get into people's heads and push them toward paranoia, violence, and betrayal. Rand's previous incarnation killed his own wife, when the corruption (which was done in retaliation for his sealing the Dark One away from the world) overcame him; everyone knows the story of Lews Therin Kinslayer. Rand hasn't been looking for romance at all, he's been trying to stay away from the people that he's afraid he'll be most driven to kill when the corruption finally overcomes *him*. ("Selene" definitely initiated their relationship this season, presumably by preying on his depression and loneliness and terror at having been essentially terminally diagnosed with Magical Time Bomb Disease.) Running away and letting people think he was dead wasn't a good option, but he doesn't really *have* good options anymore. That's part of the whole Dragon Reborn deal - everyone's gunning for you (including the worst people your past life ever knew), you have very powerful magic but it's poisoned and killing you (and you'll be lucky if it only kills you and not everyone around you), and if you don't figure out what to do about all this very fast it could be the end of the world. He *does* need his friends and their support, but there are good reasons he doesn't want them in the blast radius!
Lews Therin and Ishamael were good friends. The only reason Rand could break the seal was because he had an Angreal that enhanced his power. Remember the tiny statue of the tiny man back in season 1?
What will Lanfear do next? We know she is smart and cunning? What will she do to help Lews Theron (cough) Rand. Get him trained you say? Hmmmm. How. Have we seen the last of Logan?
I want to say that Nyneave is not CHOOSING not to channel. She is totally traumatized. She always had this block out of fear of the HUGE power. But now all she sees is that she got Ryma’s warder killed and Ryma captured plus any woman who lost a child and watched her husband die traumatically is in an entirely dark place. I think those scenes could have been written better to communicate that.
Heron marked swords are an ancient way to signify the wielder is a blademaster. This predates the Seanchan ancestors leaving the Westlands centuries ago, so it's why the custom is present on both sides. They have to be earned, hence why Turak said "let's see what it takes to earn it on this side of the ocean". He thought Rand was another blademaster and challenged him to a duel, but Rand wasn't having any of that. Rand's dad earned his blade while fighting in the Aiel war 20 years back.
Twice and twice shall he be marked
@@khuff8210 Once the Heron to set his path.
He actually does dual him in The Great Hunt towards the end of the book.
Mat was shouting 'time to toss the dice' after blowing the horn. Moghediens nickname was the spider. Loved the reaction and personally really enjoyed the episode.
Ishamael gave up at the end, thats why he just stopped firing and stood there
He never wanted to kill Rand, he could have done that a 1000 times. He wanted Rand to join him
His logic at the end is that he will return eventually so might as well wait for that. He knew he had lost when Rand's shielding broke and all his friends were there. He never would have turned
Both Ishamael and Lanfear didn't want to harm Rand for their own reasons. The rest of the Forsaken are nowhere near as kind
Because the show doesnt follow the books,Ishamael the destroyer of hope is boderline straight evil,plus he is the strongest channeler currently since Rand hasnt gotten Lews Therin memories,he could have easily destroyed Rand and his friends but he just stood there waiting to be killed😂😂,men in the show are weak😂🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
As Lan states, he and Lanfear were very close to Lews. I don't think either want to see Rand die, I don't think they wanted Lews to die. They want him to join them.
@@charlesmatheka7707 You may have read the books, but you sure did not get the point of them.
@@charlesmatheka7707 Awww, did the presence of strong female characters threaten your fragile masculinity, incel?
Ishy and Lanfear loved Lews
YESSSS 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 to egwene giving eyes without pity to renna while fulfilling her promise to her! so satisfying to watch.
Right? The only thing that would have made it sweeter was if she could have given her a few tweaks with the cuff first
Yup, it's the only course that makes sense. Though part of me wanted her left collared, and obviously a sul'dam, for the effect it'd have amongst the seanchan...
Ishy has been feeding Matt lies that dig into his insecurities. When Matt blew the horn (in the TV show version), Matt was given the truth/knowledge of his past lives, which made him realize he was a good person rather than the person Ishy was trying to convince him he was (lies + tea). He also understood he was not bad/unworthy person he though himself to be most of his life.
That he might even be a real hero.
As a side note, the end of season 1 (when Barney Harris left and the COVID limitations were in place), forced quickly last minute re-write to the ending. Those changes also impacted season 2 very significantly - not only for Matt, but everything else (if you read the books, you may get a better understanding at how large a change this forced). They basically had to go through a whole season of slowly rebuilding Matt by figuring out a way to hit his major character development points to fit into the (new) version of Season 2.
But now Matt is truly and fully Matt again. And that should be really fun in season 3.
Yeah it's sad but everything that happened with S1 caused S2 to be completely rewritten Rafe told us in a Q&A this wasnt the original story he wanted to tell, but leaned i to the characters being separated because of how the chips fell after S1 issues.
In S2E2 Verin mentioned many prophesies including ‘the sword of fire and the branded hand that wields it..’ - that’s why the camera shows the fact that a hot sword burns!
What Matt shouted before the heroes charge is straight out of the books. It means “it’s time to toss the dice “
Lanfear tells Moraine to raise thr banner. Moraine knows thr prophecy that Rand must declare at Falm, Moraine creates the fire dragon as a sigil to declare the dragon. Everyone is cheering because they know the prophecy of their city, and they know what that fire dragon means.
I literally rubbed my palms together in excitement when I finally saw your reaction show up in my feed. ❤
I will never be over Hopper. RIP to the Bestest Boi 😭 I don't blame Perrin for going full John Wick, that was his packmate 😢
Right? I feel like Dain should understand but I know he won't 🤣😭
lol "that was hot, rand. that was the hottest thing you did all season." I laughed so hard cuz i said the SAME thing
Morraine and Egwene s e r v e d this episoddeeeee. So gooooood.
"That shit was hot Rand, that shit was the hotest thing youve done all season" LOL I loved this haha
A little triva: The hero of the horn on the left who said he has fought countless times with Mat is King Artur Hawkwing (the legendary King Arthur). 2000 years ago, he conquered all of Randland. Not satisfied, he sent his son and a fleet of 300k soldiers to conquer another continent across the ocean and were never head from again... till the end of season 1 when they returned as the Seanchan.
Historically, masters of the blade wielded a heron marked blade as a sign of their prowess with the sword. Since the Seanchan were originally from this land, they still have the same custom of heron marked blades too.
Small correction. Artur Hawkwing’s war was 1000 years before the WOT story.
I was thinking that’s him!
One of my favorite parts is Mat casually telling Tuon he knows Hawkwing and that they can chat later. Because when Tuon sees how casually they talk she will lose her mind.
Also if you notice, the weaves used by Moiraine are far more complex and take a lot of time and hand moving (in the books it is explained that some weaves, especially 100 weaves of the Aes Sedai testing are so needlessly complex that some of them cannot be done without using hands as a focal point). I think it compensates for the lack of Moiraine’s raw power. If you remember correctly, in S01E01, Moiraine launches multiple medium sized fireballs on trollocs almost instantaneously, which implies she was relying on raw strength rather than complex weaves.
Also when Egwene is fighting Ishamael, she is using a broad range defensive weave rather than an offensive weave like Moiraine used in S01E08. Had she tried attacking Ishamael rather than just defending, it would have ended as badly as it had for Moiraine if not worse. Also shield used by Egwene was made of fine, streamlined flows. In books RJ explicitly says that dexterity can make up for lack in raw power.
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It is often mentioned by her teachers (both Aes Sedai and others) that the remarkable pace at which she learns a new thing is amazing.
And Egwene is one of the most if not the most dexterous weaver of one power in white tower by the end of the series.
its also worth noting that neither Egwene or Rand use hand wavy techniques...
I have heard the observation that power levels for the one power are whatever they need to be for the sake of the story.
Book Moirane doesn't have anything close to the power needed to do what she did...which I am fine with. Rule of cool works here just fine.
Yes the women are more dexterous than men in general. Men use more raw power.
@@joeleek9976I agree with you halfway. The power levels or power scaling is given in the Wheel of Time Companion book which is kind of an annex to the main story. And power levels are consistently described in the books as well. However, outcome of battles between channelers are rarely decided by power levels alone. It often also incorporated skill/dexterity, creativity, experience and even element of surprise. I could quote many examples from books where low ranked channelers defeated very high ranked ones but I don't know if you have read the books so I don't want to write major spoilers in the comments.
@@eeshanchaudhary30 I started reading the books when the shadow rising was the newest installment. I re-read the series whenever a new book came out. I am aware of what you speak.
It's why I don't agree with the temper tantrum many book readers are throwing over this adaptation, but I understand where it is coming from.
In the Seachan society, NO ONE knew the truth about the Sul'dam being able to channel. This revelation will cause A LOT of problems for them if it gets out. Sul'dams don't know that they could channel because they are not natural channelers. They are the women who can learn to channel, but they are extremely weak. This is why it takes them years to learn how to touch the One Power. Once they do, they can become a Sul'dam.
Lews Therin's plan was solid though. If he had killed the Forsaken, they would have been reborn in the next age, and who knows how that might have gone. Had he foreseen the Dark One's counterstrike, it would have worked all right.
No need to ever worry about a long review! I love hearing your thoughts and perspective. You've been so insightful all season!
Right? Didn't even break an hour and a half. I'd say you have nothing to worry about length wise until you surpass one of The Dusty Wheel's aftershows. Not that I'd complain even then 😊
Oh thank you! 💕
You were one of my favorite reactor/ reviewers this season. You ask the right questions and on the right tracks with many concepts this show gives. Keep it up and cant wait to see your reactions for season 3!
Thank you so much! You have all been so fun and kind this season, it really makes the whole experience amazing for me 💕
From what I understand, the change of the actor still affected Mat's stotyline even in season 2 because the major rewrites they had to make for the end of season 1 meant that Mat wasn't narratively in the place he was originally supposed to be at the end of season 1, which meant they had to rewrite a lot of his season 2 storyline as well.
That makes sense, and I'm sure timing was a factor as well, but still, I do wish we got more Mat. Hopefully in season 3 🙏🏾
This has been a fun rewatch of season 2... thanks for taking us along. Enjoyed your insights and thoughts. Catch y'all in season 3.
Thank you 💕
I don't think its a spoiler but Mat's old tongue is 'its time to roll the dice' or similar :)
Nah, I don’t think that’s a spoiler. “It’s time to toss the dice.” 🥰
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain -- Old Tongue for "It's time to roll the dice."
Mat 'remembered' all of his past lives. He knows who his soul is while still in this lifetime. And that phrase is - his - .
Not sure he remembered everything just then. He remembered being the Horn Sounder before, that’s for sure.
You have been one of the absolute highlight reactions this season.
Aw thank you so much 💕
Great analysis and you ask some very good questions. This episode did a great job of tying up some plot threads and setting things up for Season 3.
I love your reactions and can't wait for next season. You pick up pretty much every nuance of what is really going on, which shows how well the show is doing at setting things up.
Thanks so much! Can't wait till season 3 💕
Mat does take a backseat in the first two books especially, aside from his big moment blowing the horn he only really starts to become Mat in book 3+. He will have his time to shine in future seasons, as will rand. Next season will be big for them both I think! This episode is my favourite thing I've ever seen on screen, and its great to see it hitting first timers as hard as it hit for me! What a finale :)
I'm almost positive there is a mistake in Prime's subtitles at 35:13. It reads "keep going," but I SWEAR its injured Rand saying "Egwene."
Yeah, sometimes prime fucks up the subtitles it's happened a couple of times in The Wheel of Time, if I recall correctly. I can't remember which exact episodes but I remember it happening in season 1 at some point...Where the subtitles are just slightly off but also you can totally understand why someone may have thought that the actor was saying the other phrase cuz it's similar kinda. And we might catch it because we've listened to their voices potentially more of than someone who was just doing the captions for the show.
Aisha your channel dropped in my recommended feed a few weeks ago. And I just have to say what a gem you are! If you aren't a psychologist woman.... damn you should be! Maybe you should do a TedTalk therapy segment for all us WoT book readers because, once again damn, you have a gift delving into the psyche, trauma and motivations of characters you have just met. So thank you from a book reader to a non book reader - you have a sense of these characters and their story underwhelmingly mastered by many in love with this story.
Nothing to spoil anything for you below, just a couple of things already established in the show.
The Sul'Dam and Damane - when either dies the connection is broken. However the effects of a double collar situation was never explored in the books.
Remember when Siuan told Rand in E7 he wasn't a spoke in the wheel he is "the water that turns the wheel itself, or shatters it"? Ishy's desired outcome is shown several times so far in the show: one is during the tea scene he asked Mat "wouldn't it be great to just stop it" (paraphrasing there). Ishy wanted Rand to shatter it and stop the endless cycle. But being the master you are you picked up on that toward the end.
S1E1 when Egwene gets her braid to signify she is a woman. The show established that rite of passage as a very big deal in the Two Rivers and very much tied to identity for women in that community. Renna cutting Egwene's hair & stepping on it with her bad ass boot was a very 'bitch now you REALLY gonna die' moment. That was the slice heard round the globe for book fans.
The fire dragon was the declaration proclaiming the Dragon Reborn.
Thanks so much! And while I reduced Egwene's involuntary haircut to a hiccup in the reaction, I knew it was the final straw for her as far as Renna was concerned once she could get her lick back 🤣
Rand was able to break the seal because he was also using A Sa'angreal a powerful artifact that channelers use to boost and multiply their power by a lot which Moiraine gave Rand in the eye of the world
that was just a angreal i think a sa Angreal would be dangerous at this point for rand
The seals were slowly corrupted over time by the dark one, which is the only reason they were breakable by anyone.
I found your channel the other day and binged through both seasons of your WoT reaction vids. Wot is my fav book series - been reading them since I was 13 (also a Laneave shipper lol). I've absolutely loved watching your reactions - they were giving me life. Thanks for A+ content and I look forward to watching s3 reactions!
Aw, Thanks so much 💕 Laneave forever!
Love your videos so much! Just wanted to fill you in about Ny’s block. Nyneave’s block is an actual literal block. She can’t consciously choose to channel at all because of it. It’s actually pretty common in channelers that don’t realize they’re channelers until later in life. For Ny, it is totally based in her fear of the Power, but it’s not just Ny being afraid in the moment. The Block is worse now bc of what happened with Ryma. She finally met an Aes Sedai that could be a mentor, who helps her channel intentionally for the first time EVER, and that first channeling ends up causing Ryma to be captured as a slave & her warder murdered. I’m not at all surprised that it ended up making Ny’s block even worse. So it wasn’t that any decided that she wasn’t ready to channel. She just literally couldn’t because she’s so badly blocked right now. This set her up to being SUPER determined to break her block next season, and I cannot wait!
The Horn of Valere calls the Heroes of Legends to come and help it's holder. In the book, Mat was a great generals for thousands of lives. He has gained the skills and knowledge of his past memories in the show.
Sending that appreciation right back at you! I've so enjoyed being along for the ride with you ❤
You're the best! 💕
"Dark Nynaeve Era Loading and I'm for it!" You're not the only one.
Mat's parts of this episode were my favorite, because so much of it was unexpected (not expected by me, anyway). And his solution to the dagger problem was very much him.
"Lan, you better stop being so damn hot!" Not gonna happen.
I've been wondering all through what the purpose of the daughter-heir was. She seemed like an extra character, and good writers don't have extra characters, not with that much screen time. But, in a burst of sunlight and soft focus, I think we can see the road ahead. 🙂
Elayne Trakand, future Queen of Andor, is as strong as Egwene. *Spoiler*. She will be Rand's next girlfriend because Egwene doesn't really love him.
The aes sedai were originally both men and women together, not just women. The male half of the aes sedai is called the dragons fang. The female white half is called the flame or tear. Together they form balance, good and evil, or the yin yang symbol. The forsaken were part of the orignal male and female aes sedai 3000 years ago (not sure if all the forsaken were aes sedai, but I think so), and that is why they mostly wear black and white.
Rand used a terangrel to increase his power and the seal was already weakening.
Love your reactions! You make me laugh 😂 😂 Thanks for your sharing!
Thanks so much for watching! 💕
For future reference his name is Matrim not Mathew.
Loiel says it perfectly "We are all Hero's in a new Age of Legends" each of the Edmonds Field 5 have amazing story arc's as the book series foretells. Mat really takes off in book 4 along with Rand. Perrin becomes my favorite stud through the books and Egwayne and Nyneave Grow so steady throughout the books and stay true to their core selves. Nyneave being the protector and Egwayne being the leader made of steel. Love your review !!
38:27 everyone was cheering because there was a commonly known prophecy of The Dragon Reborn that ststed he would "save the city of Falme in its greatest hour of need, and his banner would be written in fire across the sky."
So all these people are experiencing a deeply quasi-religeous return of the savior moment.
Thank you for sharing this experience with us! I enjoyed listening to you and getting another perspective on this amazing story
Thank you so much! 💕
I've come to enjoy your reviews and analysis of each episodes. I read the books, but I'm enjoying the adaptation and reaction of non book readers like yourself. Keep up the good work
Thanks so much 💕
I love the extra shots of Hawkwing just looking so disappointed with the Seanchaen.
His magnificent empire turned to fanatical cultists.
Just binged your season 2 reactions, and it was really fun!
Thanks so much 💕
lmaoooo not straight to dust omg i laughed so hard
Matt gets his memories of his past lives in a different way in the books. But he does blow the horn in desperation. His father taught him how to use a quarterstaff. In the books that is. They drastically changed Matt's family for the show.
What Lanfear did was called "Traveling". It is a lost art in the current age, but common amongst people before the breaking. You also have to be strong in the power. To be more specific, in the current age, many Aes Sedai are average in the One Power. The ones above average can use "Traveling" if they know the weaves, but it will take them A LONG time to study and learn it. The stronger people are with the One Power, the easier it is for them to learn weaves. There are also Aes Sedai who have special talents, but this will be revealed later...in season 3. 😁
Really enjoyed your commentary and responses--very authentic, plus often funny and entertaining.
Yay, thank you!
There are a lot of grumbles about Mat's lack of usefulness so far (both from book readers and show onlys), but in fairness to the books, that's pretty much how he was more or less for the first few books.
One of the ways that Jordan distinguished between the main 5 is how they respond to the call to action/refusing the call in the hero's journey. Egwene is notable for no refusal at all, and Mat is notable for refusing the call longer than the rest.
In general, most book readers don't start to like Mat as a character until either book 3 or 4. Once he comes into his own, many readers consider him their favorite.
I heard next season will be mostly book 4 and book 4 is really when Mat accepts that his friends are all living crazy lives and if he loves them, he needs to be all in. The way they handled him and the horn here makes me believe that for show purposes, he has already/finally accepted the call. 😁
As always, I love your videos!
haha, i only started liking Mat after book 7.....Now i love all of the Emmond Fielders/Two Rivers Five, but Perrin will always be my favourite/number one 🙂
Instant follow, love your reactions 😂
Finally seeing Egwene get her lick back was so glorious if not a bit short-lived, but at last vindication for our girl yassss! I was yelling at the TV during that whole scene. Renna deserved every minute of that! Egwene held it down and she got better control of her powers. I'm excited to see where season 3 takes her as a character with her new found strength. Matt was another character whom I'm excited to see more of if the coming season. Season 2 feels like it finally set his character up to be much more visible and important. The new forsaken are about to really shake sh*t up if spiderwoman at the end has Lanfear gagged like that! I wonder who the 6 are and how the other DFs were at the beginning of season 2. So much to look forward to. I'm sad to see the season end, but this was an epic and extremely satisfying finale. I really enjoyed your reactions every week. I'm going to have to watch some other of the shows you're reacting to in the meantime until season 3! Thanks for all the fun this season I really enjoyed it!
Thanks so much and I fully agree!
I really like your reactions and reviews! You have some great insights about the main characters. In regards to Mat, he wasn't really well liked or known in the first 2 books. However, once he has his arc, the became a fan favorite! I agree with you that he's not getting much screen time in the show and am looking forward to seeing more about him next season.
Thank you 💕
I like how in depth you get with your reviews. Thanks.
Thank you!
Go off Queen! I love your reactions to this show!
5:40 Faith and conviction. The Whitecloaks are crusaders of the Light, though many - like Valda - step (and overstep) well and truly into zealotry.
16:16 "good girl" Her reaction 🤣🤣
*hulk smashes table*
The Horn of Valere is an ancient artifact that calls all the greatest heroes from history to fight along with the hornsounder. You are correct that in the show blowing the horn did show Mat his past lives and allow him access to past memories.
Also, you mentioned a bit about it, but in the books when Nyneave wears the bracelet her reaction is revulsion and feeling sick to her stomach
I am glad they gave Mat a good moment. Looks like there won't be snakes and foxes in this adaptation. Which is fine by me. They were interesting, but not really integral to the story.
@@joeleek9976There are a lot of things they could and should jettison for the show. No menageries please, no shaido, no struggle for the throne for Elayne. Not because I didn't like these things but the story doesn't really need those subplots. In the books they drag on and on. I didn't like this episode as much as some. Matt's transformation seems rushed. That dagger wouldn't stay on his quarterstaff being tied like that. Egwene shouldn't have been able to free herself imo. But the show isn't always internally logical.
@bobc538 I am fine with how Egwene freed herself. It was consistent with their rules of magic and with the character. Mat needed a little more before his big moment...like all the time he must have been practicing his knots to get that dagger to stay.
@@joeleek9976 well, it seems to me that the adam should prevent her from killing Renna with an adam. It creates a double forced circle. But maybe the show isn't going to talk about circles and stuff. Primarily I dislike it because it robs Ny'neave of freeing her and talking about true justice not being killing Renna but putting her in a collar and leaving her to be found by other Sul'dam. Plus the fact that Sul'dam are really Damane who haven't been found yet.
@bobc538 Renna released egwene from the a'dam. Egwene could take the pain better. I found it very fitting for the girl that broke bone break fever.
It would have made more sense for the feedback to ramp up as it bounced between them, but TV magic exists to serve the story and is never as consistent as it would be in a book...which I admit can be frustrating to experience. I am thinking of Moirane attacking a seanchen fleet from so far away. She is nowhere near powerful enough to do that...but she needed to be for the story.
I had a buddy give me that explanation for how strong Hulk is. He is however strong the story needs him to be.
Over an hour! You went deep. Can't wait
I love how easily you clocked that Rand is a ho. All it took was one halo and one "What's your name?" and the writers already successfully signalled to you Rand's fallen in love again.
I meaaan??? The better question at a moment like that would have been "Am I going to make it? Has the bleeding stopped?" - you know, pretty much anything to do with his actual well being 😭😭😭
Nynaeve will do anything to save her friends, but I don't think she relish in the power. You're right that she wants to be in control. Using the One Power, for women, is giving up control and embracing the source. This is why she is having such a hard time with accessing her power. I like how well you understand her struggle with her power and why she can't access it. Remember Ryma? She is still blaming herself for causing Ryma to sacrifice herself. This is why Nynaeve is still scared of her power.
Nynaeve's is also in shock, for a good part of this episode.
She was connected to the captured Seanchan, when she took that arrow in the throat.
Nynaeve felt that!
"These are not the saviors we asked for" LOL The WC are the Light's champions in their own heads.
And I totally get it. Most religious crusaders believe they're doing the work of "god" or gods. I just hate that they are anti-channelers 😭😭
So the Heroes of the Horn are the greatest heroes throughout the ages. They’re people who have done super heroic things which get them linked to the Horn. They’re then repeatedly spun out into the Pattern whenever the Pattern really needs them for heroic deeds (like Mat’s current life) or it’s just time for them to be spun into another life, (like Uno was). When the Horn is blown, the Heroes who aren’t currently spun out are brought back to semi-life, allowing them to fight on behalf of the Horn sounder.
Can’t say much more than that right now bc of spoilers, but I hope this helps!
I DUCKING GAGGED WHEN YOU SAID I HOPE YOU CAN SWIM WITH LONG ASS DRESSES
Matt said It’s time to roll the dice! In Old Tongue.
51:59 Don’t worry, Matrim Cauthon’s story is a little slow to start but when it takes off, it goes off with a bang. I go through phases of favourites but he has always remained my favourite out of the Boys. Love them all but Mat’s story is the coolest😁
To your Forsaken question, in the books Lanfear wore all white all the time, along with lunar and stellar jewelry. Modern television has given us a Forsaken cast who dress in black (and possibly because she's been merged with one of the Forsaken who wore all black who won't be appearing in the show).
All of the Forsaken have been given Immortality by the Dark One/Lord of the Grave.
Another fantastic reaction, touching on some big things to come! Thank you! Here's to watching your reactions to season 3! 🎉
Thank you so much!!
Moghedien(creepy spider lady) is weaker than Lanfear when it comes to raw power. However the entire universe is written so that every character has different "stats" (raw power, channelling skill, different types of intelligence, personally traits, meltal fortitude, political and economic power...) And Moghedien is definitely no joke 👀
Than again, some of the forsaken characters are being merged with others to streamline the story. So show version might be different than book version.
That's so interesting! But I like that, we can't have too many overpowered people, it takes away from the humanity and unexpectedness of the storytelling IMO
Hi! Moghadien was sitting in the room for a while before Lanfear got there so even if she is less powerful than Lanfear she had time to weave her web to catch Lanfear.
The burned in heron mark is part of a prophecy that will come true eventually. He will be marked some spoilery number of times to signify his arrival. I won't say the full quote otherwise you'll know too much information.
The people summoned by the Horn of Valere are the dead heroes from past Ages, at least most of them are. These Heroes are bound to the Horn and are summoned whenever the Horn of Valere is blown. Most of these Heroes are also being reborn (one example is probably Uno). That's why Mat was alive even though he's one of them as he said, and they also told him that they have fought alongside him in countless occasions (in his past lives). The credits at the end of the episode shows the name of two of these Heroes. One is Amaresu, the Japanese-looking woman wielding a samurai, and Artur Hawkwing, the one wearing a helm. Hawkwing was named in s1e2 and mentioned in s2e5 as the great king who forced the Aes Sedai to bound themselves to the Three Oaths.
Does the book ever get into why some (Foresaken) remember their past lives like ...but most dont well thats what Tam said in S1 I dont want a spoiler but just curios bc i dont think Ishmael wasnt lying...all of time..also did season ever explain who lttle girl who is with trulloc in ep 1
@@itowilltube I don't think the books get into details about why some Forsaken remember their past life. If I'm not mistaken, I think only Ishamael claims that. However, the show did suggest the possibility. Ishy said a lot of things were lost since the Age of Legends, and not all technology. The tea he gave Mat is one possibility. Also, there are knowledge we know today that are said to help in regression through hypnosis. That could also be a possibility in the Age ofLegends.
@@itowilltube The little girl in the Darkfriend social was not really named or even explained.
I think the fact that Elayne's wound wasn't life threatening was WHY Nynaeve couldn't channel. Nynaeve subconsciously knew she didn't NEED to, she was perfectly capable of dealing with it as a Wisdom. I think if Elayne had taken an arrow to the neck Nynaeve would have been much more emotionally overwhelmed and would have made herself channel.
People of Falme = Falmen.
The Seanchan have sailed across a great ocean to come to the Westlands. Turak is referencing the current continent’s blademasters and is wondering if they have the same skill level he knows from back home in now far-away Seanchan.
Moghedien isn’t more powerful than Lanfear, but she got the drop on her. Lanfear hadn’t expected her to be there, so she got caught in her spiderweb. As you can imagine, Moghedien’s nickname is “The Spider.”
People forget in the show Egwene is Ta’veran. I would argue she is in the books too, but at any rate the pattern apparently wants her alive for a reason. So lucky Egwene and Renna survive. Once Egwene is free, we don’t need Renna any more. But here is a question for you. Is Egwene being turned to the dark? That was dark what she did to Renna, no matter how satisfying to us.
Yeah it's kind of wierd in the books how the Super Girls are never described as Ta'veran. When essentially it's an in-universe reason for them being main protagonists.
This video is genuinely inspiring! -- "Embrace your dreams with unwavering determination and boundless enthusiasm.."
Thanks for great reactions all season! Excited for s3
Thank you! 💕
This has been so much fun!! I look forward to your reactions every week and I'm sad the show is over!😭
I love your reactions but I haven't watched any of the other shows you're doing right now 😭 so I wouldn't be able to follow along. If you ever do:
- Xena (90s show)
- Buffy The Vampire Slayer (also 90s)
- Firefly
- Once Upon A Time
- Agents of SHIELD
I'd love to tag along for those!
Thank you so much!! I've seen all of those shows lol but a rewatch of Firefly is an interesting idea...
I'm fine with the Finale. And i can't wait for Season 3, could not say that after Season 1
We are seeing an Ewgene that doesn't take shit from nobody! Season one she stabbed the mean Whitecoth and season 2, she killed Rena... it's not in the books but she is adorable ❤🎉
I mean, the girls had to do some Fast talking to stop her from killing Renna in the book. Like some Real fast talking. Since the girls were “late” as such, they weren’t there in time to stop her, I guess.
Matt plays a fool. But never is a fool. He is a trickster and a gambler.
The Seanchan's entire culture believes women who can channel are dangerous and must be collared for everyone's safety. It's a little more complicated in the books, but in the canon of the show, they have damane who are Searchers and can sense channeling ability. The Seanchan also test girls to see who has the talent to use the sul'dam bracelet. But since they're have such a weak connection to the Power, they were never sensed as channelers. That's why the sul'dam Nynaeve caught was panicking that someone would see her. Sul'dam are honored members of society because of their ability to control damane, but channelers (damane) are reduced to slaves and animals. If Renna knew she could channel, she'd have freaked out. They think the reason they can see their damane's weaves and feel an affinity through the beacelet is because of years of skill and practice.. Remember she thinks a damane is not a person. So she definitely would have never thought she could channel too.
The Horn of Valere
There are certain souls that are linked to the Horn. How that happened, why those people in particular, who made the Horn.. No one knows and AFAIK it is never really explained or elaborated on in the books. Blowing the Horn just allows for those souls to manifest in the world with enhanced abilities, and they are very good fighters even without those enhanced skills.
Sometimes these Souls are being spun into the world as living people, not always remembering who they really are so one of the Heroes could think they are just a random nobody. Mat says he's one fo the Heroes and until he blew the Horn (seemingly giving him back his memories) he had no idea so if he had never blown the Horn he would jsut have kept being the same Mat as before.
I adore your reactions and reviews. Youre so insightful and so much fun to watch! I feel like im chatting eith a friend over coffee, speculating and geeking out. Have tou ever watched Doctor Who? I'd love to see your thoughts on it! Here's hoping we get more WoT episodes next season!
Wow, thank you! I'm gonna miss this show until next season, but happy there will be a next season! I've only watched an episode of Dr.Who here and there, it seems like it's a saga that you can't quite jump into the middle of...
I loved the season. Can’t wait for season 3
Love your reaction ❤
Your reaction is a real joy to watch. I love the way you throw out so many witty comments that crack me up.
To answer your question about what Turok meant about when he referenced Rand's sword, normally having a heron mark is a sign that a person is a blademaster. In Rand's case it was his foster dad who was the blademaster but Turok doesnt' know that. He wanted to see if the same level of skill was required in the Westlands to earn the mark as was required in Seanchan. To put it crudely Turok wanted a d**k measuring contents but Rand was in a hurry and couldn't oblige (plus he doesn't have that level of skill with a sword) so he channelled and un-alived the lot of them.
In the book Egwene leaves her in the collar and doesn't kill her knowing that
1. She will spend the rest of her life as a Damane and
2. The Seanchen will realize that the Suldam can channel too thus disrupting their entire society
I wish that's how the show went too.
Hi Aisha, a new word for you to learn, It's not a spear that Matt has it's his ashandarei, Oh and Elayne is not the only one.
If Moggy fought Lanfear straight out.... she'd lose, 100%.
The spider isn't feared because she can win a fair fight, she's feared because the first you know you're fighting her is *after* she kills you using some clever trap.
I think they have combined her with Semirage and leveled her up.
It's time to roll the dice
No spoilers but in response to your critique that Mat didn’t have too much going on the first two seasons, and your hope for him starting to develop more going forward… This is v book accurate and, all I can say is-just wait. 😅
I love you reactions. I've enjoyed your takes this season. One small correction on pronunciation: the people from the season 1 episodes 7/8 that are traveling with Perrin and Loial are call prounounced SHY-NAR-ANS.
Thank you 💕
Love and peace everyone till S3 Mwaaaa
They're not just dangerous they are psychopath and sadistic
As usual your reaction is amazing. I love this show, they are doing an amazing job adapting the books. I think you need a book reader mod to help with spoilery comments. Your comments are mostly great but some times people respond to your questions with good intentions but end up spoiling i think.
Thanks so much! I'll definitely have to take up an offer for a comment moderator next season 💕
Really enjoyed your reactions this season! I'm pretty happy with it, as a book reader; I think they got a lot of good stuff in, and prepared the way for future plotlines as well. (My one quibble with the finale is that Nynaeve is my favorite and I hate seeing her fail, but it did hammer home the issue of her block and underline her channeling-related trauma, so I'll forgive it as setup for next season.)
Very satisfying to see Egwene come into her own, especially after the last couple of episodes were so grueling for her. On the one hand, she's going to have some lasting trauma from all that; otoh, she knows the depth of her own resilience, how much she can survive and come back from. I'm with you on how satisfying it was to see her take Renna down!
Poor Rand though. There's a lot more to him than his romantic status; I wish you'd give him a little more credit! Maybe the show needs to push harder on what happens to men who can channel - from the reactions, I don't think it's been clear to non-readers how much "protecting people from himself" has been Rand's priority this season, or why he's so terrified of channeling. The animated shorts from season 1 had some of the background info, but not everyone watched them or remembers them, so I hope they bring it back up in s3!
Remember Logain's shadow companions in s1e4, who were telling him that everyone was going to betray him and he needed to kill them first? The corruption of the dagger and the corruption of the male side of the One Power are from different sources, but they're both evil forces that get into people's heads and push them toward paranoia, violence, and betrayal. Rand's previous incarnation killed his own wife, when the corruption (which was done in retaliation for his sealing the Dark One away from the world) overcame him; everyone knows the story of Lews Therin Kinslayer. Rand hasn't been looking for romance at all, he's been trying to stay away from the people that he's afraid he'll be most driven to kill when the corruption finally overcomes *him*. ("Selene" definitely initiated their relationship this season, presumably by preying on his depression and loneliness and terror at having been essentially terminally diagnosed with Magical Time Bomb Disease.)
Running away and letting people think he was dead wasn't a good option, but he doesn't really *have* good options anymore. That's part of the whole Dragon Reborn deal - everyone's gunning for you (including the worst people your past life ever knew), you have very powerful magic but it's poisoned and killing you (and you'll be lucky if it only kills you and not everyone around you), and if you don't figure out what to do about all this very fast it could be the end of the world. He *does* need his friends and their support, but there are good reasons he doesn't want them in the blast radius!
Amazing thoughts, thank you for sharing them! Can't wait to see what next season brings :)
Lews Therin and Ishamael were good friends. The only reason Rand could break the seal was because he had an Angreal that enhanced his power. Remember the tiny statue of the tiny man back in season 1?
"Got rid of a face-toucher for a sniffer"
We can't win for losing 😭😭🤣🤣
What will Lanfear do next? We know she is smart and cunning? What will she do to help Lews Theron (cough) Rand. Get him trained you say? Hmmmm. How. Have we seen the last of Logan?
I want to say that Nyneave is not CHOOSING not to channel. She is totally traumatized. She always had this block out of fear of the HUGE power. But now all she sees is that she got Ryma’s warder killed and Ryma captured plus any woman who lost a child and watched her husband die traumatically is in an entirely dark place. I think those scenes could have been written better to communicate that.
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