MSI Raider GE78HX Unboxing, Undervolt, Overclock, 5 Games, Timespy, Cinebench R23, and More!
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- The MSI GE78HX is MSI's flagship 16:10 gaming laptop for 2023. This $3599 RTX 4080 MSI GE78HX is one of the highest performance gaming laptops that money can buy in 2023. Today, we'll play games, benchmark, undervolt, and overclock this laptop to see what it can do! You can buy find links to buy the MSI GE78HX and all RTX 4000 series laptops on my 2023 Gaming Laptop Ranking List: listium.com/@GizmoSlipTech/80...
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00:00 - MSI Raider GE78HX Unboxing, Undervolting, Overclocking and Benchmarking
01:32 - MSI GE78HX vs MSI Stealth 17 vs Blade 18 vs Asus Scar 18 Comparison Overview
05:03 - Unboxing the MSI Raider GE78HX (i9-13980HX, RTX 4080, 64 GB, QHD+ 240Hz)
09:49 - Comparison Between GE78HX, GT77 and Razer Blade 18 Power Adapters
12:01 - Port Selection Overview - MSI Raider GE78HX
13:30 - Bottom Panel Removal and Interior Layout - MSI Raider GE78HX
35:52 - Chassis Overview and Flex Test - MSI Raider GE78HX
38:27 - Keyboard, Lighting, and RGB Lighting - MSI Raider GE78HX
44:11 - Display Test - Spyder Elite 5 - 17” 240Hz QHD+ 16:10 - MSI Raider GE78HX
53:49 - Transfer Speed Test on Built-In SD Card Reader - MSI Raider GE78HX
55:00 - Side-by-Side Size Comparison Between MSI GE78HX and MSI GT77
56:06 - Side-by-Side Size Comparison Between MSI GE78HX and Asus Strix G18
57:20 - Side-by-Side Size Comparison Between MSI GE78HX and Razer Blade 18
58:18 - Side-by-Side Size Comparison Between MSI GE78HX and Razer Blade 16
59:37 - Keyboard and Touchpad Impressions - MSI GE78HX
01:01:50 - Webcam Examples, Impressions and Test - MSI GE78HX
01:12:37 - Introduction to MSI Center
01:15:02 - Cinebench R23 Benchmark (i9-13980HX) Stock - MSI Raider GE78HX
01:20:00 - Cinebench R23 Benchmark (i9-13980HX) Stock 10-Minute Run - MSI Raider GE78HX
01:32:03 - BIOS Introduction and Undervolting the MSI Raider GE78HX
01:36:49 - Cinebench R23 Benchmark (i9-13980HX) -150mV Undervolt - MSI Raider GE78HX
01:43:45 - Cinebench R23 Benchmark (i9-13980HX) Undervolt 10-Minute Run - MSI Raider GE78HX
01:54:20 - RGB Customization - SteelSeries GG Engine - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:00:57 - Speaker Test on the MSI Raider GE78HX
02:12:29 - God of War Gameplay (1600p, DLSS Quality) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:18:27 - Cyberpunk 2077 Benchmark (1600p, DLSS Quality, RT Ultra, FG On) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:21:52 - Cyberpunk 2077 Benchmark (1600p, DLSS Quality, RT Ultra, FG Off) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:36:59 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Gameplay (1600p, DLSS Off, Ultra Settings) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:39:41 - Dead Space Remake Gameplay (1600p, DLSS Quality, Ultra Settings) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:44:00 - Apex Legends Gameplay (1600p, Max Settings) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:46:50 - Apex Legends Gameplay (1600p, Low Settings) - MSI Raider GE78HX
02:54:39 - Hogwarts Legacy Gameplay (1600p, DLSS Quality, Ultra Settings, RT On, FG On) - MSI Raider GE78HX
03:00:25 - 3DMark Timespy Benchmark (i9-13980HX+4080) Stock - MSI Raider GE78HX
03:06:10 - 3DMark Timespy Benchmark (i9-13980HX+4080) +200+1000 GPU Overclock - MSI Raider GE78HX
03:10:58 - Summary and Overall Impressions of the MSI Raider GE78HX
03:17:25 - Livestream Chat Q&A - Hry
Finally, I've been waiting for this for ages, thanks for video
Pretty insane Undervolts on this bad boy. Almost certainly struck Silicon Lottery Gold. This is a beast. Might be in the top 5% of Intel chips from this generation, even eclipsing Intel desktop chips.. Would be amazing with Liquid Metal, probably wouldn't even thermal throttle at all with the Undervolt.. Game temps were looking solid though, rarely eclipsing the 80's.
GizmoSlickTech, that's really slick though! 🔥
Just bought a gt78hx 4090 64gb 2tb 13950 and this was great info. Awesome video!
Great review for GE78 HX! I got the i9 13950HX 4080 model today and it is a great laptop so far. However, the power adapter I got is the same one as the GT77 (the huge brick).
I think the brick weighs more than the laptop lmao 😆
"Welcome back to a livestream with GizmoSlickTech" I like the new name lol!
Thank you for doing these! I'm a pc super NOOB I will be upgrading my gaming experience from a ps4 to a laptop soon and your videos are the most detailed I have found to let me make the most informed buying decisions possible.
Glad to help Richard
The race begins now
Any chance you could do a review of the legion 7i with the 4080? Your videos have been my go to in terms of reviews for these new gen laptops
Thanks for the undervolting guide! Applied these same undervolts and got very similar results. I got the 4090 version and I must say the gap between laptops and desktops is hardly worth the difference if you can benefit from the mobility.
Did you apply the 125 125 and 75 or the higher figures? I've also got the 4090 and looking at doing this
@@landofnor mine was crashing with settings that aggressive. -115 p core offset, -115 e core offset, -70 ring offset
@@DGunter yeah same here as i just tried it. It just froze and i wasn't even gaming, just watching youtube. I reduced it to his 2nd settings, 125, 125, 75 and seems ok for now. Have you added any GPU overclock yet? My Cinebench score isn't as high as his, he was lucky with the silicone lotto, but loving the laptop. Only annoying thing is my keyboard SteelSeries GG software doesnt seem to work properly. 2 top rows of keys aren't illuminated and nothing seems to fix it. Works when first booting up but after that they go off. This laptop is beating my 3090 desktop
@@landofnor
Sorry for the wall of text.....
im running +225 core OC and +800 ram OC for the GPU in MSI Afterburner. SO far the laptop has been doing well for me as well. For cincebench I got up to 36k one time but average 33k. Im getting a little above 22k in timespy for the gpu. I get good performance in every game that I play even at 4k on my desk monitor. Truthfully, thats all I can really ask for. To me, the only other laptop I may have considered is an eluktronics 4090 laptop. However, I have the mech 17gp gen 1 and I hate the body style. I will say, the eluktronics is very very quiet on air or water. The MSI is really quite loud. A sacrifice for an exceptionally cool running laptop and nearly the best performing.
Steel series software has always been trash in my opinion. However, I am indeed able to control all my lights. Maybe a total uninstall and reinstall? The MSI version is nothing special, you can download the steelseries gg software off the steelseries site. To my knowledge, there is no difference. I know for certain that it will detect your msi lights and keyboard lights. Or at least it did on my. I wish you luck!
By far my largest complaint is how hard it is to remove the bottom panel to add storage. What a joke it is. I thought lenovo laptops I take apart for work were annoying.... NOPE! Really quite disappointing.
That i9-13980HX was getting fairly toasty at 95 degrees. I prefer the ASUS Strix SCAR 18 with its three system fans, temperatures on that particular never get that high, not even above 80 degrees at full load.
I just ordered this with the 4090. It comes tomorrow. Can’t wait
What is your first opinion? Any remarkable performance boost than 4080 version?
@@ugur9038 all I know is I can play just about any new game with top settings and they run beautifully. I haven’t done any benchmarks or anything. I’m new to laptops. But it’s a beast
@@killernp1317 Thanks for the reply, I ordered one today too, will see how is it.
@@ugur9038 and what's your opinion now?)
@@ikspb too noisy when the fans are on load, but it’s nice to see that the laptop stays cool. Nothing to say for its performance, if you are looking for a desktop experience in mobility, it’s a good choice.
@20:45 "I really hope Msi makes this easier in future iterations.. When its kind of a pain in the butt to take off"
Couldn't agree more. I really hate how much of a pain in the ass the Msi laptops like the Raider(GE)/Vector(Gp) are to open. Asus isn't much better with the Strix/Scar, but atleast they removed their deadly ribbon cable from last gen. Miss the days when one just had to unscrew some screws and one could easily access the back without any risk of causing permanent damage.
Even Gizmo who has many years of experience opening up laptops, and has opened hundreds of them, with a dedicated toolkit, struggles with it a bit. For the average user its much less pretty.. Many undoubtedly give up/don't even bother trying, which forfeits upgradability and limits their ability to clean the fans of dust and the like.
I agree 100% been doing this for years myself too. I kept thinking to myself “how is this thing gonna hold up when I do maintenance/dusting every 3-6 months?” The bottom panel is disgustingly flimsy. It’s not something you wanna open up more than once per year. I returned mine and got an Aorus 17x instead. Btw the raider ge76 was nothing to write home about but it was much easier for me to take apart and put back together than the ge78. I’ve taken my ge76 apart at least a dozen or so times over the past 3 years without issue or worry putting it back together.
@@joeg9244if you have a Aorus 17x 2023 - please compare this two devices and give your opinion. I what to by one these notebooks but don’t know which to chose. Thank you for your answer in advance!
@@crysis348 The Aorus 17x I did have for about 2 weeks prior to returning it. It was honestly great, it had great thermals, the build quality was superb and the performance was great. albeit Gigabyte restricts the CPU max TDP by a lot (you're lucky to see 80 watts on the CPU max sustained for 2 min, it's that neutered) Meaning you will see lower CPU performance in CPU intensive tasks. But that wasn't even why I returned it (because for all gaming and regular real world use the Aorus 17x was superb) I ended up returning it because the display panel on the Aorus 17x was only 300 nits or so, which I think is just absolutely not good enough for the price of these 4090 laptops. Which is a shame because I still feel the Aorus 17x *is* the best from a thermal design and it felt really solid, I loved it other than the subpar display that was on it. That being said, I switched to the Asus SCAR 16 which has a much higher quality display, and Asus allows the full TDP of the i9 CPU that's on it.
I would say stay away from the MSi GE78HX if you like to crack open the laptop every few months for cleaning or want to upgrade the RAM/SSD's etc. the GE78HX is really the most stressful thing to take the cheap plastic off of from the bottom. The Asus SCAR 16 is all plastic but it at least comes apart easily and nicely. Plastic isn't bad if it's not handled poorly like on the GE78HX. The problem with the GE78 is that the bottom shell envelopes around the sides, which means it will snag the motherboard from the USB or audio interfaces on the side, and the shell is very light weight, and cracks easily with minimal flex when servicing the laptop. I returned it immediately to Newegg the next day. I've been working on laptops since I was young and I've personally serviced cheaper laptops than the GE78 that were easier to tear down. MSi really screwed up on the external design this gen in my honest opinion. And I say that as someone who owns and loves an MSI Ge76 Raider from a few years ago. I am just not a fan boy and I go with the specs, features, and how easy they are to maintain.
If screen brightness isn't super important to you, I would *highly* recommend the Aorus 17x over the MSi GE78HX if gaming is all that matters to you. It's really a superb laptop honestly. And it's honestly insane to see such excellent temps in super intensive games, Gigabyte has one of the best vapor chamber designs and fan placement as well as them utilizing phase change material rather than thermal paste or liquid metal which is so effective coupled with their vapor chamber they use. the cooling solution on the Aorus 17x is honestly better than the ugly pipe and fan design on MSi's Big boy Titan laptops and I know I am not the only one saying that.
If screen brightness is more important to you, I would look at the Lenovo Legion pro 7i or the Asus SCAR 16. As those are built very nicely and are meant to be serviced/maintained for people who want to clean them or upgrade them. Plus they are just superb 16 inch laptops with fantastic bright displays. Keep in mind the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i will max out at 500 nits. and the Asus SCAR 16 will be 500 nits SDR and 900-1000 nits in HDR mode.
I would say shop around, do some research out side of my own personal opinions, and go with what *you* believe will be the best choice for you. It's a very competitive market this gen, and all of them are missing *something* and all of them *have* something the other doesn't.
Bottom line, Aorus 17x has the best thermals, is built nicely, and is sleek and thin. It just misses the mark for me with the dim display (although it's very color accurate, I will give it that)
Really you can't go super wrong whether you go with either the Asus SCAR 16/18, Lenovo Legion Pro 7i , or the Aorus 17x. I would honestly say those are my 3 favorite laptops this gen. And so far, I have been very happy with the Asus SCAR 16 as my preferred choice this gen. It just ticks all the boxes for me.
@@joeg9244 Would love to hear your opinion about "MSI GE78HX" vs "LENOVO Legion pro 7i" vs "DELL Alienware M16" vs "ASUS Rog Strix Scar 16"
Very in-depth review! Which one has a better keyboard, Raider or Blade?
How does this laptop compare to asus g18 with rtx 4080 in terms of cooling and fps? The price difference is so huge. I guess I should wait for the GP version of this laptop or maybe just buy the G18. Your thoughts pls? Thanks, I would really appreciate it.🙂
Any idea how good the Acer helios 18 screen is with the regular screen (not the mini-led one)? I'm tempted to just go for that one. Will basically just use it for general use and gaming but would be interested in how it compares to the MSI and Asus on brightness / colour accuracy and colour vibrancy.
I'm hoping to save up for the RTX 4090 version of this beast. It's going to be such a massive upgrade from my GTX 1060 MSI Stealth. Running this on a 1080p display is going to be nuts. I have a 165hz MSI G32C4.
same here, have the msi gt73 titan pro with 1080gtx...thinking of this with the 4090 or the scar 18.
@@tdlyman I hope you're able to get your dream machine soon!
Great vid! Are you also gonna test out the rtx 4090 version of the raider?
Maybe at some point down the line, but i believe the 4090 in the GT77 will have pretty comparable performance to what the GE78HX would have.
i read over MSI web site under the specs for this model(rtx 4080) that the Memory speed is 5600
do you have a review of this laptop with the 4090? would it be much different? between this and the scar 18, which would you buy for running microsoft flight simulator on ultra settings with DLSS 3
I’m curious if all the clips on the side broke when you removed the back panel.
I added a second NVME to mine and even using a trim tool and carefully removing the back the tiny clips on the left and right side all broke and had to fish them out of the system.
Waiting to hear back from MSI about this given it’s an enthusiast system and obviously means to have people add drives.
MSI wants $115 plus shipping and fees for a replacement.
Since the side clips do very little and will just break again….. no.
Got this laptop with an i7 13700hx and 4080 for a deal, a lot cheaper than respective G18
@GizmoSlipTech - thanks for all your great videos, I've been watching a lot of them the last week or so trying to decide what new laptop to get.
I'm a very much leaning towards this MSI Raider with a 4090 in it. My question for you is I've seen a lot of people comment on reddit that every say 6 months to a year or so that they are changing the thermal paste on the CPU. Some are stating the stock TP will not do a good job controlling heat. Some are saying that it degrades in time and needs to be changed. And they're saying as you go forward using this laptop the temperatures rise because of that that risks the hardware. I'm not an expert on this topic, but does changing the thermal paste on the CPU for this laptop or any gaming laptop seem like general maintenance as they're trying to indicate?
I had my last MSI GT72 for 7 years before I messed the motherboard somehow repeatedly rebooting it trying to get into the BIOS. It ran warm but never failed. And obviously it didn't have this type of hardware but I've never heard of general maintenance being having to change the thermal paste on a laptop CPU. Do you have any thoughts on that?
I know I've seen you review some laptop cooling pads slash trays.... which obviously is an alternative for keeping the temperatures down. Am I just running into the opinions of extreme users or is this valid thought? (Many of them are also underclocking which I've personally never done but it might be something I do down the line.)
It depends on what MSI used inside. I believe they used PTM7950, which is rated to last the life of the laptop, according to some users, although I would have my doubts. Thermal paste does degrade over time typically (including liquid metal, although more slowly), although certain types should hold much longer than others. If temps are bad after six months, I'd say check your fans for dust before repasting. An initial repaste is not a bad idea if you don't have good temps off the get go. Regular paste lasts 2-3 yerars, PTM7950 and liquid metal should last longer. If temps start getting terrible, then check for dust, then repaste if that did not help. Asus claims 10 year LM application. Time will tell if their estimate is accurate for laptop usage.
I should ask MSI how long they believe it will last.
@@GizmoSlipTech thanks for the reply. Yes I’d be interested to hear how long MSI believe the thermal paste is good for.
Good afternoon Can I please ask you to record a video on how to undervolt the processor. I need to reduce the power of the processor so that it does not overheat
Please tell me what values should be set to lower the power?
P-core voltage offset
Offset Prefix
E-Core L2 Voltage Offset
Offset Prefix
voltage offset
Can somehow set automatic throttling at a temperature of 85c?
Can we get a review of msi Pulse 15 B13VGK-287US
tell me who knows. Laptop msi ge78hx. Inserted 2 ssd. Both are visible and working. I want to make a raid. But the vmd controller cannot be enabled in the bios, the first menu is the most inactive. What to do?
So where did the offset reading disappear too?
Can you set one fan profile to make it super silent?
Seems like you didn't even disable CEP and lower AC loadline when undervolting
Could've achieved much better results
Can explain how these are done/what they do?
Funny he says he got a Samsung 2 TB SSD drive in his msi. I have the msi raider ge78 hx vh, which uses 2 Micron 3400 2 TB SSDs that work together as 1 4 TB drive. I guess this is a difference in what region you live in or maybe Micron SSDs work better as dual SSD IDK.
I just noticed, does the cinebenchr23 score on this laptop better than on the GT77 with the same cpu but superior cooling? I guess that silicon lottery for you.
Used to meet the same situation where the score of i7 11800h on an HP Omen 16 better than on my Alienware X17r1 with much higher tier cooling
Yeah, sillicon lottery
I got over 37K with UV on titan but it wasn't stable
@@theo5675 if it crashed, then the score is not valid, if not then congrat
This vs the scar 18?
Shabba lagoo is my new word... thanks.
If you watch the temps of the cpu and gpu while gaming on this laptop compared to the GT77, the four fans on the GT really make a big difference pulling higher wattage while being cooler at the same time, insane cooling tech by msi.
I want an MSI GT77 Titan. Has anyone put Liquid Metal on one of these units to reduce temps even further?
@@videocardzrule354 If I have the money to get one, I'll definitely go liquid metal
Absolutely! I wanna Titan's cooling, but I don't need Titan's 4k!(
Dilemma😢
@@ikspb I think if they ever do a mini LED panel at QHD and 240Hz that would be amazing. QHD is the sweet spot for laptops imo. I have the GE78 4090 and very happy with it, the panel is okay, but could be better
105 FPS on God Of War for an 4080, its pretty good
Could a 4070 take the same undervolt
Anyone else having their screen go blank on the 4090 version?
I just got the 4080 version, everything seems to be fine but CPU is 90Cº idle.... is there something wrong, should I undervolt? replace? :/ Thanks in advance.
That doesn’t seem right unless its under minor load with no fans at all, or under heavy load with max fans. Maybe needs a cpu paste replacement if its 90c while truly idle. I would recommend monitoring how many watts are going into the cpu to see how much heat is being generated. If low wattage + high temps, then probably bad cpu paste or something else, like blocking airflow or something
@@GizmoSlipTech Thank you for your answer! I guess a lot of backdoor activities were done on the beginning (updates, etc.) now in real idle stays in 50-60 which I guess it's fine. Now I'm GPU rendering and after a while, CPU is 90-99C with only 43% processing, not sure if that's OK. GPU meanwhile stays at 86C max even with 100% usage.
Do you think the Mini LED displays does really worth it?
@GizmoSlipTech i got a 4090 version and getting 31500-32000 score on cinebench. How is it possible you getting 33k?
@GizmoSlipTech gizmoooooo answer me pleaseee
Did you do the undervolt as shown? And put system in extreme performance.
Have to laugh at the whole powerbrick comparison. What matters is not the size, rather what is the difference in power output, i.e. wattage.
Size of the power brick absolutely matters of you're buying a laptop for portability.
Imagine laying down the laptop on a screw not knowing and messing up the chassis?
It should cost not more than 2500-2600$
Yea, but is double😂
That display is no where near as good as the titan mini LED
Agreed, except this one has a faster response rate
Titan's 4k is too much, I want titan's cooling system and good QHD mini led display 😢
why did u stop testing valorant :(
I bought this exact shit 5 months ago and i t works like oven !!! Never buy MSI AGAİN NEVER EVER !!!! same speciftaion
after 1 hour of gaming cpu reaches 100 and gpu 90 even the laptop is in performance mode and on table elavated 3 cm for air circulation its working like hell hot !!! never buy again !!
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Nahh Just Kidding There's No Way I Would Be Beggin For A Laptop On a CZcams Reviewer Channel, But It's True That My Laptop Got Robbed Tho.
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HP
if you are gamer only buy water cooled laptops
MSI is terrible, will never make that mistake again. $3k down the drain, after 2 years. Cheap builds, overheats like an induction stove, at the slightest hint of processing.
What do you prefer? Is there something better than this in your opinion; that I can get on amazon?
@@shazam2586 Legion 7
I have GE75 Raider 10SF more 2 years 10875h/2070 and 32 Gb RAM after update... Excellent laptop, stands on the table, on all sides the place is free for good circulation, I have not changed the pasta yet... In games, the processor is 85-88 C, the graphics card is up to 80 C.
I don't like the price(c)
$3600, huh.
How'd you like it for $6000 in Ukraine? It's even not fucking Ruzzia, surrounded with sanctions.
This years laptops are garbage. I have an RTX3080 laptop, and the numbers from the new gen are so disappointing I can’t even consider the new gen..
Take that and consider it. I have an RTX3080 laptop and I’m not even considering a 40 series at all. Garbage generation improvements. Literally the 40’s trash is trash.
Alienware X17R1
RTX3080, I9-11980HK, 64gb RAM, 4K 120hz.
I’m not talking shit from the low end. The 40 Series as not the chips we wanted. It’s actually embarrassing to think they can advertise a 4090. I’ll bet it’s not an upgrade from base 3080.
We want laptops as the TOP. Sad hardware,
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So your 3080 laptop can hit 19k+ on timespy? And your laptop can run Cyberpunk 2077 at the highest settings above 60fps at 2k? And let's not talk about 4k here, your laptop can't even run it at full settings with dlss performance at that resolution.
You are a very special person.
@@lil_brumski It’s a garbage Gen Broseph. The biggest selling point is not performance…. It’s making fake frames to pretend you can generate real ones.
I can run 4K 120fps at Ultra on MWII with Quality DLSS. No fake frames, no nonsense.
At the worst, 4K Ultra maxed to the nuts with no DLSS hits 60fps. The RTX40 laptops can only best this by 20%… Wow. That’s shit.
75Fps Ultra no DLSS? That’s trash performance improvement. It’s bad enough that 4K is not a screen option on ANY of the laptops available. There’s a reason.
The reason is, 4K 120fps is 30 series excellence…. 40 stores can only fake better performance.
I’ll drop 5k+ no problem on premium hardware…. The Laptop 4090 is so sub par in comparison to it’s last gen contender, it needed a higher number to prove itself.
@@ChryslerLeBaroWhy are you so mad tho 💀
@@Hastartes 🤣🤣