We're Fixing this Anti-Consumer Nightmare | OpenPleb Sensors & RGB, ft. Wendell from Level1 Techs
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We joined Wendell from Level1 Techs to talk about not just the RGB problem, but the explosion of proprietary parts on the PC market. That includes everything from motherboards, new power standards, cabling changes to ATX, fans that can't connect to other fans, and more. This went from a rant to much more -- the formation of a standards stewardship and knowledgebase organization, OpenPleb, founded by Wendell of Level1 Techs and Steve of GamersNexus as a new host of documentation, agreements between vendors, and open standards that benefit the health of the computer industry. This is a topic that deeply concerns both of us for reasons far beyond the seemingly 'simple' beginnings of RGB, as we fear something more sinister as PC hardware continues to lock users into ecosystems and as vendors gain enormous power to just 'turn off' devices once they're past the desirable supported age.
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00:00 - The Problem
03:15 - Don't Provoke the Steve
04:45 - Wendell Rants
06:35 - The Problem
08:29 - The Solution
13:02 - How Companies Benefit Too
17:37 - An Open Organization
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Why not reach out to the OpenRGB developers? They're trying to accomplish a similar result on a software level.
JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU CAN REVERSE-ENGINEER ALOT OF THIS STUFF, BASICALLY "INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSABLE LEDS" WITH NAMESPACE REGISTERS ^_^
In live concert world there's a protocol to control lighting called DMX, which essentially allows daisy chaining multiple light sources and control them with a single lighting board similar to a mixing console.
Maybe it can be used/adapted to control LED components in a PC. no need to reinvent the wheel.
if we ever want to see a meaningful progress in our lifetime what we need is fines and regulation of all multi-billion dollar tech corporations in the USA.
e.g. so they would be obligated to make lets say 50% perf gain/year/dollar at affordable price points in a 0-400 bucks range, and if they are unable then they should supply government/scientists/education with their top tech for free + billions in fines on their profits (50% cut to "the government's technological progress fund") that would go to education/scholarships/medicine/science, stuff like that.
these companies should be obligated to drive the technological progress of humanity and shouldn't be allowed to milk the market without repercussions in form of fees paid to society / scientific / technological progress. you either make real gain every year or pay to government / scientists / education who would do that instead of you. as is all these companies are parasiting on society and progress, slowing the latter down for max profits.
taxes should be applied on company's profits.
at given price ranges corporations should be obligated to make 50% perf gain per dollar per year. if they don't = fines/taxes. prices wouldn't be fixed but perf/dollar should be 50%+. so they should be obligated to mass produce devices (as they already do) with such a gain in a 0-400 bucks range. product names and numbers will be irrelevant, they just should be not crippled in any way. like "a smartphone" will be defined legally what it should have as a bare minimum, like charging and a some type of connection to mass produced headphones, even e.g. replaceable not glued battery. if their devices are "only" 40% faster BUT decrease in price so perf/dollar is 50% gain = okay. if its 0% perf gain but 50% drop in price = still okay. pretty sure balance will find itself.
you can regulate price/performance at a certain price point. i.e. 50% per year can be the baseline for cheap smartphones/GPUs/CPUs (e.g. 100-300 bucks), but nobody stops companies from making 60-75% gain and sell those at a premium for x2-1000 money to stupid customers, i don't care as long as we would get at least 50% gain for affordable prices.
current 0-15% for years is just abominable.
find the right person/people and tell them about it.
actual details - thats just government's work to do, you pay taxes don't you?
clearly every good legislation needs a research and not just taking everything 100% from some random guy on internet (me). but i don't mind if they do))
at least you've acknowledged my twisted world view, thanks. think about how YOU can fight corporations BETTER. I get what you're saying BUT I'm pretty sure you can do better than what you already do.
tech tubers actually have A LOT of power but you're relactant to ACTUALLY use it for some reason. "None of us has the power to affect overnight change ". all of us together HAVE THAT POWER. and YOU'RE SPEARHEADING THIS POWER because YOU'RE THE VOICE OF COMMUNITY.
you and buildzoid already made mobos VRMs better, you personally ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BETTER AIRFLOW CASES.
so yes, YOU HAVE A LOT OF POWER.
at least change how you compare pricing by ignoring mining-era prices. point out HOW MUCH overpriced everything is now. compare to 2016 prices. point out that ngreedia sells 4050s as 4060ti-s, 4070s as 4080 16gb. do that.
don't do that "maintaining neutrality" crap. thank you.
You had me at "We're creating an open-standards organization" and "this guy." Heck, yes.
I feel like this cluster of computer hardware standards mirrors some of the issues the community is working through in the smart home space as well.
Absolutely)) a second this or third this or whatever this... Basically we need this
@TheMacel66 I like my smart home like I like my RGB -- chaotic and incompatible!! 😈
No, for real, though, Home Assistant is an amazing community for the smart home, and I'm hoping this new initiative fosters as much growth for the PC community.
If they do open standard vibration motors for controllers humanity might actually get out the solar system
@@nimoy007 "smart home" seems a contrary term for a house full of remote controlled daftly coloured light bulbs. Perhaps the home is considered smart when compared to the occupants/zombie consumers 🤔
I think a lot of people in the hardware industry fail to understand that the PC market exists because of form factors and standards. ATX, PCIe, etc. Without those standards, every company would be Apple.
I think they look at Apple's bottom line and say 'I want *that.'* What they don't realize is that this hobby is becoming prohibitivley expensive for anyone that doesn't have a US median income.
Excellent points on that companies looking at Apple's money, but not thinking beyond that to the health of the ecosystem on the whole.
@@GamersNexus Absolutely, they should be taking the viewpoint of growing the ecosystem so that their individual profit becomes larger because the market is much larger, instead of trying to get a few extra pennies, forcing the market to shrink.
The word you were looking for was greed. The West is unfortunately awash with it at the moment. Profit is fine, greed is not.
@@dagarath It's the piano store mentality: sell fewer, with a larger profit per unit.
@@redrock425 Define "greed". I want the most profit possible. Is that greed? Nope. I want the CEO's of the companies in my mutual funds to be that way.
I use OpenRGB. I was shocked when I recently upgraded and found out that all the manufactures RGB wasn't compatible. I got an MSI motherboard, Asus video card, corsair case, fans and ram and a MSI AIO. So all my RGB was doing it's own thing until I found OpenRGB. Now all the RGB has the same Theme.
Thank you for opening my eyes to that piece of software! When I finally get my PC back up, I am going to download that!
@@Awkward_Fox It's a little buggy, but it works for the most part. By being open source, people can add to it and work the bugs out over time.
@@BAMFSpYdy That's good to know! Probably less buggy then iCue... Holy shit is that piece of software an absolute mess
@@Awkward_Fox yep, you'll have to remove all the RGB software on your PC before using openrgb. The Asus software was really hard to get rid of for me.
Good to know! Gonna try that out!
I call it the "Dell-ification" of the DIY PC market. And congratulations on the initiative, guys like Steve and Wendell are the best advocates we could have.
There was other companies doing this long before Dell. Some even tried to stop people from simply replacing basic generic parts, my favorite was about 25 years back when Compaq required their floppy drives and their PSU's standard floppy power connector so that installing a standard floppy drive would leave it burned out and the wiring on the Compaq PSU would burn off in a nice cloud of smoke, ah good times.
RGB is shit, the ACTUAL problem at hand now is insane x3-4 times GPU overprice.
>I remember when rx vega 56 and gtx 1070 was about 300USD when rtx 2000s realised was a good deal.
>I remember when gtx 1000s relised and gtx 980ti droped to 300USD as new and 980 below 300USD as new and some more.
everyone should remember that, but for some reason tech reviewers DON'T REMEMBER AND NEVER MENTION PRE-MINING PRICES, like mining prices are "the norm" now. they aren't. gold rush is gone, folks, all overpriced AF GPUs can do now is crap out in newest games.
thats why I blame tech reviewers for comparing current prices to mining-era 2017-2022 prices. they help corporations normalize x3-4 overprice we get now and then talk about how "GPU overprice is not their fault but corporations". well, its not directly, but tech reviewers are A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.
@@johnanon6938 Ah, fuck! 🤣 Compaq with the damn OS/2 port to proprietarily lock customers into their hardware! Taiwanese manufacturers just made an adapter. Compaq got crushed! 😅😂❤
@@rawdez_the ai gold rush has just begun.
@@MrGamelover23 has nothing to do with GPUs, doesn't bring any money to GPU owners = its 100% irrelevant to GPU pricing.
"the ai gold rush" is a marketing made up fairy tale to try and keep x3-4 times GPU overprice to stay. nothing more. you can't make money with AI just by owning a GPU and running some program. mining was making money to GPU owners. that what definition of a "gold rush" is. "the ai ngreedia marketing crap" isn't a gold rush. at least not the type that is relevant to GPUs or their pricing in any way, shape or form.
I LOVE this concept! Standards should be open
Let me take it one step further, science should be open. Way too many (expensive) pay walls!!
@@p_mouse8676 Yeah, people shouldn't be paid for their work!
@@UncleKennysPlace Nice straw man, mate.
@@UncleKennysPlaceat best journals don't pay scientists or their employers, at worst they charge them. The push for open sourcing data seen in especially astronomy and particle physics has come *from* scientists and the people paying them.
@@UncleKennysPlace Those paywalls we're talking about do not result in people getting paid for their work. They only serve to restrict access to research data from the general public and line the pockets of the journals with the paywall.
I'm a really old tech guy. I was a Sr. Programmer/Analyst at Intel in the 80s & 90s. I was around to watch the Intel/Microsoft data exchange format adopted. Also to see Bluetooth consortium start. What you guys need is one really big name in the industry to get on board with you. Everyone else will start to join in out of their fear of being left out.
Already been tried sadly
hey thanks for having me! this is gonna be great, I think
When Wendell isn't sipping his tea, he watches it, longing for it.
that feel when eye-contact annoying so you stare at tea mmm yummy tea
I thought it was whiskey at first XD
@@karlkingofducks5764 well, I'm assuming it's tea tbh.
I ALSO LONG FOR WENDELL'S TEA
Its earl grey
Between Wendell "level1 Tech", Gordon "PCWorld", Leo "KitGuru", and Steve they really should form some kind of Super Friends of Tech. By far the most trust worthy and knowledgeable people in the market. This might have been the best Computex with all the one on one sit down interviews. Thanks Steve
Techvengers! Assemble!
@@charlesfuzak 🙂
And Superman (Linus) resides alone in his fortress (the lab)
In my head i immediately saw them all stood together dressed as Turtles 🥷🐢
@@DimebagDarrenLowe Nah, Linus will be there too, he's the comic relief :P
You guys should talk to the founders of OpenCompute to see what they did to get cooperation and move the industry and the organization to where it is today.
One aspect was/is as they mostly are the one using them, then cost and willingness to not be dependent on a single hardware supplier. Companies involved in OC are a billion dollar market, so there's a lot of willingness to build hardware that they want.
Like for network switches they all use the same open source Sonic OS. If your switch doesn't support it, they will buy one that does.
So in this case, consumers have to be ones, asking companies to support open standards.
If all of us start only buying OpenPleb compatible products, we'll be off to a good start. Publicizing and sharing this and showing manufacturers that there's interest
This is a fantastic idea, guys. You should seriously consider getting Leonard French involved, he's an IP attorney who is a CZcamsr and creator on Floatplane, so the LMG guys should have a direct line to him if you should want to reach out.
Also love seeing these collaboration videos from you. They're honestly the best content to come out of Computex each year. It's a pity we don't see more collaboration like this year-round, but I guess most of you guys are fairly spread out geographically.
Louis Rossman and Futo might also be good to contact if funding is needed. Might be able to get a grant from him.
@@jimjones2001absolutely.
Next please do modular PSU cables. It's crazy that PSU cables can't be interchanged, sometimes even between different models of the same brand.
...first they want modular cables to get rid of the kraken inside the case.
...then they want nice looking braided cables to get rid of the ketchup and mustard optics... then they want individually braided cables in different custom colors and/or extensions.
...cables with RGB LEDs on them, yeah sure.
...now they want interchangeable standardized cables.
Can you please think of the next 5 steps ahead so we can do this all at once?
Maybe we just get rid of cables, plug everything directly into the motherboard, like with that ASUS GPU Power Plug thing, but with everything.
You and Louis Rossmann are my favourite tech youtubers. Thanks for all you do for the little guys ❤
Same they actually work hard to make the world better.
Louis does some amazing work for things he is passionate about in the technology sector. I've only gotten to meet him once, but he was very generous with his knowledge and taught me a lot in the couple hours I was there!
@@GamersNexus You may not get to see this, but the reason you see this comment about Rossmann here is because of his recent talk of a new video app development.
In short, imagine if a creator is on 5 platforms, it will track and view videos from these 5 platforms, so if they are kicked off 1 platform, you will still get videos from the 4 others, basically making it really easy for content creators to become platform independent.
So that is why it fits so perfectly with your announcement here.
Their non profit might also be willing to help.
@@CMDRSweeperI've not heard about this app. Where can I find out more about this? I'll see if I can google it, very interesting considering what Twitch has been doing lately to their streamers and viewers. Less than 48 hrs later they decided to make a milder version of what they proposed. Almost like they had planned to negotiate down by giving a ridiculous offer first.
This is absolutely phenomenal. Not just great for consumers, but for the environment as well!
Steve mentioning the reduction of eco waste is a very important aspect of this. All of Corsairs iCue stuff is going to be landfill in a few years
I'm curious what "Level1Tech" understands as "open standard", when they think that a certain country with a one party system is more populist than the country they live in.
Not sure if there is a clear understanding of what a participatory system looks like.
Or perhaps they don't know what populist means but call their open standard organisation OpenPleb anyway.
Strange notion and maybe a little of foreboding there.
This sounds like a great and very necessary effort. The amount of proprietary, undocumented nonsense in the hardware and firmware industry has grown to ridiculous proportions these days. I'm glad to see some other people out there trying to make a difference. I'm the creator and maintainer of the OpenRGB project and I'd like to get in touch regarding RGB standardization and the work you're doing if that is of interest to you.
OpenRGB started out as me just being frustrated that all the different parts in my 2017-era Ryzen build wouldn't work on Linux or sync with each other. I was mainly upset at ASUS Aura for not having an SDK as Razer and Corsair did, so I was able to write a program to sync them. I spent several months reverse engineering the ASUS Aura physical interface with help from GitHub which spawned a massive hundred post thread and took some interesting turns until we finally landed on it being I2C/SMBus and that, at least on Windows, Aura was talking directly to the chipset's SMBus controller registers via IO port memory. From there I wrote some hacky test code that was able to control Aura from Windows and Linux. From there, OpenAuraSDK was born, and I then made a standard API for RGB control so that I could expand it to control all my hardware, then it just grew from there.
We've gotten quite good at reverse engineering all number of interfaces (USB HID, SMBus, NVIDIA GPU I2C, and more). I'd like to help!
Ur awesome brother
I'm a cheapskate who's never touched RGB and you guys are making me feel very secure in my decision 😂 I'll keep an eye on your project though and see how things progress
RGB is great if you avoid all the proprietary crap or crap not supported by OpenRGB. I decided to do that, so my current build does not have any RGB. Corsair stands to lose the most from an open standard FYI. They have been flipping non-standard controllers and stuff for years in order to inflate their profit margins. It has gotten to the point that even if I do an RGB build, I avoid Corsair. They used to be a gold standard for me, now I don't even do builds, recommend, give away, or sell things involving them. I swapped to NZXT for fans and basically anyone else except gigabyte and corsair for PSUs.
@@richongaming I already have a lava lamp, i don't need another. You can keep your RGB. What i want is a simple way to shut that shit off.
RGB has always reminded me of spinning wheel rims and neon running boards in the auto world. And the joke there has always been "Hey guys look! Jethro got a raise!"
Now you NEED to buy the RGB model or you can't turn the damn lights off. We need a consumer revolution
@@richongaming arctic is pretty much the only company I'll buy fans and cooling hardware from
I avoided buying Corsair fans due to this very reason. I hate close standards and don't support it in any way. I'm glad some big names are fighting for us! Thanks for this
The only fans worth buying if you have the cash are Noctua's. They also the best looking fans that all the other companies keep trying to add more RGB to attempt to beat their style.
@@chronossage Yeah, and since noctua doesn't have RBG, all your money goes into fan design and not dumb leds with controllers.
@@Splarkszter A decent portion of the price of noctua fans is profit due to brand affiliation. Their fans being poo coloured is just their way of encouraging label zombies.
@@-opus man, you must really hate Noctua. what have they done to you? is your pc to quiet? airflow to high? cooling to efficient?
@@schwubbi Is anything that I said incorrect? You being a fanboy is clearly affecting your comprehension skills. Noctua make the best fans, but they perform only slightly better than quite a few other brands, while being ridiculously coloured and costing a lot more. 1, or 2 degrees is not worth anything.
I really like this. I really want to see software like OpenRGB being able to support literally everything.
Used OpenRGB to turn off motherboard RGB, it's the best RGB software and very light.
On the other hand, i tried Corsair icue once, it was almost 2GB in size and use over 0.5 GB of system ram in the background for some reason. Never again.
Unfortunately OpenRBG doesn't support everything. Not even close, I still have to resort to using Asus Armoury Crate bloatware on a modern Z690 board to properly control RGB for example.
@@KITOMERO i used a prerelease build to support my GPU.
But I'm a software dev, downloading a pipeline build isn't scary! But good RGB control should be open to everyone! Not just people who are devs. And also, not subscribed to signalrgb
THIS. In the future, I will only be purchasing RGB components and peripherals that work with OpenRGB. I am beyond tired of poorly designed (not matter how nice the UI looks) software that hogs system resources and crashes all the damn time. If I knew anything about engineering or coding, I'd be helping add to the list of supported components, but that's unfortunately way out of my depth.
@@IsleyNumber1 If only everyone was a software dev, right? For my 30 series GPU, I have to use the discontinued EVGA Precision since OpenRGB only supports 1 lighting zone out of the 3 zones, and it doesn't support the onboard GPU RGB header either.
OpenRGB also doesn't support my Lian Li ARGB light strips, nor the multizone lighting options on my fans, nor the RGB LED on my NVME drive.
So I'm currently using 4 different RGB software at the same time (not counting keyboard and mouse which is another 2).
Wendell and Steve drinking tea and reading the newspaper. Always a combination for a new consortium.
great idea, thanks for the extra effort for both of your teams for helping the community/consumer.
Another positive feature for this initiative could be a WIndows Ring0 hardware control library that isn't basically a rootkit and riddled with security holes.
you've got it backwards, the rootkit IS the purpose of IME.
@@Tabrias07 I don't disagree, but to be fair didn't AMD refuse to make their equivalent thing (forgot the name) open source?
@@sean8102 PSP - Platform Security Processor. If my memory serves me well :)
YES! Windows desperately needs a standardized subsystem for I2C/SMBus access. On OpenRGB we have to rely on these third party libraries (inpout32/WinRing0) which land us on anti-cheat block lists (though it's the trash anti-cheats doing this, not these libraries). We needs to use WinRing0 because Windows doesn't offer proper ways to access I2C, so we have to basically talk directly to the chipset registers in the I2C controller from userspace by porting parts of the Linux I2C drivers. It's absolutely ridiculous that this is necessary to access an interface that every desktop PC has had going back decades on the world's most widely used operating system for desktop PCs.
The #1 reason I don't use anything RGB is because of all the cables and lack of a standard. Followed closely by the almost malware RGB software.
I can understand that. I have a few too many ARGB products, but they're all using standard ARGB connectors and being run using OpenRGB.
It takes a bit of research to make sure the products I get are supported, but I feel it's definitely worth it.
Very cool initiative. Hope I will be here to see it come to reality.
Praying some of the companies are on board because that pretty much forces the rest behind it too.
This sounds like an extremely good idea! Im keeping my fingers crossed for the two of you that it takes off like a rocket !
So great to see you both presenting together!
absolutely loving these long conversation videos
Sharing this video to everyone I know. honestly I know its just words at this stage but goddamn I truely hope something comes of this!
Bravo for even considering taking on this behemoth of an idea.
So, the idea isn't to make an open standard
It's to publicly list documentation for all the standards so everyone knows what stuff does WITHOUT source code
You should make sure the name isn't too specific like OpenRGB because you can expand the organization in the future to water pumps, Keyboards, Macros, stream decks, etc
1+ vote for OpenPleb
Thank you for this! OpenRGB is actually pretty great and is able to sync all of my RGB devices (including mouse and keyboard) EXCEPT for my ASRock GPU. If I wanted to sync my GPU with everything else I'd have to plug everything into IT.
And then my keyboard and mouse wouldn't be able to sync 😑
My powercolor 7900xtx is the only thing OpenRGB doesn't work with for me.
Bump for OpenRGB, seems like the most straightforward option.
Can confirm: Open RGB is based.
I was also surprised why they didn't name it OpenRGB, but then I remembered that OpenRGB already existed to solve this exact issue. Would be cool to team up with them.
OpenRGB works, I just have to re apply any time my pc goes to sleep…
Wendell is an international treasure, and you guys together are doing god's work.
They are doing fairy tales, wilful delusion, corruption, greed, racism, inbreeding and war?
They are like the Blues Brothers of tech. "We're on a mission from God."
This would be fantastic. The proprietary standards issue was the first thing that came to mind when I saw all the RGB connectors. Maybe you could eventually have standards organizations, like designing where the holes on the back side of a motherboard tray go for back-mounted connectors.
I'm in, sign me up! The best idea ever, thank you guys for this initiative 🤩🙌🏻👏🏻
I love when Steve's righteous fury gets turned into action.
We need this so bad, just imaging having your motherboard be able to adjust the case fans based on gpu temp from the bios settings, having rgb software that is not garbage, being able to read sensors, know what they are, and how that data is formated, or even being able to read voltages on AMD GPUs in linux (all you get now is what power play table sets the voltage to)
DUUUUUDE!!! THIS IS AMAZING!!! I'm so excited for this to take off!
this makes me so happy to hear about! I haven't even tried getting the RGB stuff on my PC configured properly -- I've turned the transparent part of my PC away from me so that I'm not distracted by the default uncoordinated rainbow vomit settings
I went out of my way and got a pc case with solid panels, they are a bit of a rarity these days though unfortunately. The industry appears to be heading towards cases with glass on at least 2 sides, completely daft.
I appreciate the sober & on topic work from both of you; I look forward to this joint venture.
Okay, NOW you definitely have the best Computex coverage. Best non-product of Computex so far! Thank you guys for doing this.
Love it! My favorite Enterprise guy with my favorite PC guy, working together for the good of consumers! Excellent!
Yes! You guys are the perfect start to fixing all this madness!!! I'm SO EXCITED and confident things will get better compatibility in the future. You should also get other big YT'ers to join you, no doubt should be no problem to get Linus, Jay, Paul and all the funny sounding Aussie and British guys too!
i faced similar BS while working as an auto mechanic. most if not all upper end euro cars for example have way too much proprietary nonsense. just like the special license software shops have to buy which is ridiculously expensive just to find out if the voltage of a module was .2v out of spec or other small diag steps that used to be easy years pass but now no longer the story.
Brilliant solution and wonderful collab
Thanks Steve! Back to you Steve! Thanks for creating OpenPleb (love the name) Wendell and Steve!
I love the language you guys use in your professionally presenting videos. Never change.
Installing a couple RGB fans should be as simple as running the wires to the appropriate spot. (Not a proprietary hub with proprietary connectors), and the software should be simple and lightweight. Open RGB is the only thing I recommend to people even if your effect options are more limited because it works at startup, and it closes itself after applying the lights you asked for. I'm someone who sets things to a static color and leaves them, so it's perfect for me. If you want to have 16 colors from one fan that chase each other around in a special way, you will need the fan companies proprietary bloatware to do it. Maybe with this new project more people can enjoy things that were meant to be enjoyed all along.
OpenRGB is great, but if you have a piece of hardware that isn't supported (looking at you, ASRock GPU) it's not very useful if you want to sync everything.
Openrgb has the effects and mapping plugins so you can even make all the flashing and blinking effects if you really want to
I was scared away from that because of some compatibility issue that could hurt my hardware, it made me worry I’d there was something else I missed that it could hurt it even if I didn’t have that particular hardware.
This is the best announcement in Taipei! Thank you guys for your commitment!
Fantastic idea guys - don't give up! You are bang on! Make it an avenue for charity receipts can flow - just like you said, produce a royalty free solution and make it so big businesses can get a tax write off and a community shout-out, now the world is in a much better place. so happy to hear this, please don't give up
I just want to give proper to Wendell for the wight loss! He's been killing it!
Probably the most excited I've been in the tech space since Raytracing, chiplet designs, and V-Cache technologies went mainstream. This is amazing. Please, for the love of god, create a donation system for this org, so we can help throw some financial backing behind this.
Steve, you are an amazing person, with a goodwill, the amount of work you make for us is outstanding. Best wishes for you, thanks for everything you're doing!
Awesome! The first thing that comes to mind is that it would make OpenRGB device implementation so much easier.
ive seen that proprietary problem in the smartphone, laptop world, and now also in the 3d printing world where nobody said a bad word about it! a mainboard at the printhead with proprietary connectors . no tinkering in 3-5 years for 3d printing allowed due to this process.
thank you steeeeeeveee!!
What I like about Lian Li's system that they give you the option to connect to your motherboard's rgb outputs or use other rgb components into their controller/system with standard jst to 3 pin argb adapters
Heck yes!! Can you guys see if Framework is willing to get involved? I bet they would! Super exciting stuff!!
thank you for creating this, ive been trying toi unite my RGB for years using all kinds os software and being picky with selections of hardware when building pcs and ive deffinatly suffered broken leds and mice and its not even a year old my latest PC
The lead programmer of OpenRGB, CalcProgrammer1, put out a video talking about OpenPleb today on his CZcams channel. It's got some interesting info about what their current reverse engineering process is like and how much something like OpenPleb could help.
Noctua has RGB perfectly done! my opinion :)
Wow. What a fantastic commitment to the enthusiast community! Thanks! ^_^
Seriously this is so needed, and i will support you 100% of the way. F*** all these different RGB connectors, such a nightmare!
The best thing with standards is that there is so many to choose from.
Awesome idea! I just had to install 3 different bits of software on my new PC to set everything how I wanted, and then some of them would conflict and it was a mess. Just one piece of software to do it all without bloat would be incredible. Are you taking donations yet?
how is the new editing PC. i hope someday you join Steve from HUB for a fortnite match.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 It's going well!
I've been on the level1 Patreon for probably a decade now and I think the tea slurping moment was the most genuine Wendell moment I've seen yet
Great discussion as always. I haven't ripped and RGB device open lately, bit im assuming they are running the same WS281x style controllers that every other rgb sector is running. Especially the 5v ARGB implementations. I look at reaching out to the (heavly overlapping) maker community thats putting out great work. The Adafriut/sparkfuns/digikeys of the world.
Most of them are running WS28xx ARGB LEDs. Keyboards and some others are still often using analog 4-pin RGB LEDs with a matrix driver though, but fans/strips/coolers that connect to an ARGB header are just WS28xx.
Would something sorta like the USB HID protocol require license fees? That thing about devices identifying themselves and informing the computer what inputs and outputs they got, and sending and receiving values for each thing, sounds like it would work quite well both for RGB as well as for sensors and fan control.
This is a fantastic idea! Just a heads up: If you can manage to get at least 1 big company that uses RGB on your side. then the rest will eventually follow. Keep fighting the good fight Steve & Wendell! I will also inform Aris and the community!
Also, try to get in touch with the Signal RGB people, they have some good ideas
they don't support ANY amd gpu rgb. they are also saying for years now that they are working on it but just don't
@@raunchyNO I have a Red Devil 6750xt, and l, in order to get it to function through aura i have to plug in an Argb 3pin from the card to the mb, so I can kinda see why they haven't made any progress so far
I love this project. We need this so much.
As the owner of an AX1200i, I support this message. Seriously I got that PSU in like 2013 and it was a total fucking shit show at the time, sat on it after it died until near the end of my warranty, got a replacement, and the replacement worked for a while before exhibiting a similar failure mode, except it seems like it might actually be related to the issue you're talking about? It was shutting off and refusing to turn back on unless left at idle for a while, as if it had shut off from OCP or something and was waiting for a sensor to re-trip back to allow it to power on. I replaced it with an all analog Supenova 1300w G2 and it's been rock solid ever since (Thanks Kingpin for the recommendation). I am also the proud owner of a literal mountain of corsair RGB gear that's gonna be obsoleted once their link shit comes out from the looks of it. Hell my case even came with it integrated (free Commander Pro included with every 1000D). I hope they get on board and fix their shit lol
edit: I also want to add a note, if these companies want to act like apple and all have their own closed standards, they're not going to grow the market of people with "Apple Customer" levels of money to burn on shit. That market is essentially already saturated by Apple, and attempting to behave as if everyone can afford to spend that kind of money on all their tech purchases is disingenuous at best, and outright corporate suicide at worst. Open standards are what built this industry for these companies to play in today, and trying to take the industry away from that is a bad fucking move. This doesn't just apply to RGB, I've got my eyes set on that new power delivery slot on motherboards that every manufacturer seemed to have their own version of at Computex. Something like that HAS to be an open standard or it's bad for everybody, and even then switching to it will make all new GPUs no longer backwards compatible with old hardware either, so you would need to make two versions of every GPU for the foreseeable future if you want them to sell AT ALL, and that's WITH an open standard in place to help the process along. If the manufacturers insist on making it all proprietary they're gonna have a bad time. I could repeat these sentiments about any effort to make a new thing that's proprietary, which replaces an open standard.
Wasn't Microsoft going to integrate RGB controls directly in their OS?
Might be an idea to contact them for the open standard idea, so it goes together smoothly.
Yes, and it's started to show up in insider builds. Nothing functional yet though
Exactly what I was thinking
One standard to rule them all, one standard to find them, one standard to bring them all, and in the rainbow bind them; in the land of PCs where the RGB lies.
Really awesome you guys are taking this step.
My solution to this was to just not use RGB anymore. It's turning into a compatibility and wiring nightmare, it inflates prices, and honestly how much time do I spend staring at my computer case? Yeah, I'm done.
An update on this would be epic!
Maybe you will find this interesting. In the semiconductor and microelectronics field there is already a movement for opensource tools and processes(as in 130nm mosfets). These kind of software is very expensive amd is very hard to obtain for some universities.
"Sullen and angry also works here." Oh my sides I am laughing because it is so true. I have largely abandoned lighting my system, for two reasons, one it's gaudy as frick and blacked out just looks good. The other reason is because of proprietary BS like this.
100% this. I had an old Dell T7500 I was gaming on for a while. Upgraded all the internals but decided to keep the case. The RGB RAM is doing something inside, but the whole case is solid so I can't see, so it doesn't matter.
Great video im in. This should be the STANDARD for any online game or game that NEEDS to connect to internet to play so they can last the test of time as well
So glad that y'all are doing this. And how about the name being GitGood?
Bless you guys for this sensible effort. The consumer is always the most powerful leg in a healthy market system. We just need to channel our energy, money and demands to best be heard and consulted about what we want.
I totally agree, let’s make this a reality
I hope this takes off. I do like the iCue link system shown off this year and how it will simplify cable management but I don't want be locked in to a single vendor and I also don't want to run several RGB applications if I decide to mix and match vendors in a build.
thank steve! you and all of gamersnexus are real heroes of the industry
Bless Wendell
The absolute joy when the fan off a £17.50 Assassin King SE cooler had a splitter so I could plug IT into the ONE ARGB header on the overpriced ROG mobo and use the splitter to connect the expensive Eiswolf2.
It's always the cheap stuff just works.
That, '.. the Steve.' bit was perfect. I love that Wendel, such a nice golden retriever like guy, even his face got just a little bit more red when he said it. Just. Perfect.
Awesome. Thank you. This is really a good approach. Also all that RGB clutter is why I made my own RGB controller and RGB strips and cables, because it all sucks. Especially software.
Gosh dang this would be fantastic if it got picked up by manufacturers
It would mean I could stick with using OpenRGB for my RGB stuff and just have everything work, instead of also requiring random bits of bloatware from 3 different manufacturers
I love the idea behind this! Really cool to see you guys use your influence for something like this. Although, I think I'd have to pass on OpenPleb as a name
OpenChad versus ProprietaryPleb
I use OpenRGB for the few LEDs in my rig. I didn't want to bother with proprietary crap that starts binding me to a brand or mentality. It's so simple and straightforward and does what I want without me having to ever deal with it. Lightweight, open-source solution that's brand agnostic.
But I love this idea. Having a standard benefits everyone. Inter-compatibility encourages competition, as no one will be bound to a single brand, allowing free-choice and integration.
Couldn’t care less about the topic but still entertaining to hear a chat with Wendell.
Thanks Steve!
I thought my first RGB build would be my last because of armoury crate, but if this works, I might actually make another one
Of all the RGB software out there, Armory Crate is definitely one of the worst.
@@blazingliger2246 You haven't tried ASRock Polychrome RGB then. Armoury Crate is nowhere near the best but it is not the worst.
@@CalcProgrammer1 I'll take your word for it. I do really despise how Armory Crate installs itself and is so hard to get rid of, though.
Microsoft is also trying to get a default standards of sorts. In one of the recent alpha builds, it is considering adding RGB lighting control built into Windows OS.
though watch that somehow lock out linux use even more
So that we can have another crap rgb software right from stock lol
Yes but then you are using Windows…
been following wendell from the early tek syndicate days and Gn for 8 or so years. love when you guys colab
I used to be apart of Wendells forum for like a decade, havent checked in on them in years glad to see he is still around.
I'd like to add one of their loser rogue mods banned me cause he couldn't handle a joke about confusing rules applications.
I hope you and Louis Rossmann collaborate on this. He's been been fighting this sort of thing for few years.
About open sensors and sensor clusters/RGB? I know he's been doing a lot for right to repair, but that's a bit different (and something we also support!)
@@GamersNexus One of the aspects of right to repair involves opening up technical documentation to independents. So there is some direct alignment in scope if not purpose.
Not sure if Brand X is going to want to print pleb on the box though. It's funny, but you might have an easier sell with something less effacing. OpenShine, OpenWorks, OpenConnect, OpenGold, UniGlow, LightNet, etc.
Maybe just call it OpenWallet to reel in the manufacturers quickly and then change the name after it becomes the standard. :-D
I think it was Hardware Unboxed that reported that ASUS was able to make a high end motherboard focused on functionality. And not aesthetics and knick-knack. And was able to shave 80 dollars of the price. I mean if people want to pimp out their motherboards. Be my guest. But do it on your own dime. I just want my motherboard to function well. Not looking like an amusement park at night
It was Asrock I believe
@@HappyCupsInc Yeah you may be correct. My bad but my argument is still valid
It was Asrock that is selling the anti rgb gamer bloated boards.
Awesome, thank you guys for this
I have a mountain of old hardware that was all working perfectly well that became obsolete because driver support ended when new versions of the OS arrived. I think it's crazy, the shear level of waste created. This all sounds like a great 1st step. Getting everyone onboard & opening things up on other equipment & tech, that's a HUGE mountain to climb. I'd love to think this is the start of something that will help fix the problem. I modified drivers myself to make things work but sometimes there just wasn't enough info or the drivers were all in machine code & you really need the source code to re-compile. If the equipment has been obsoleted & consigned to the past, why not just put the info out there. I know, I do get it, it's not that simple, there is IP & some gets carried forward so they don't share but still, if we want change it has to start somewhere. I hope this is a start & some folks listen. Start simple & build your bridges from there.
Hope it works out. Noble cause and all.
Didn't expect you two to team up on this but I'm here for it! I already use OpenRGB and Fan Control because MSI's software is sh*t. Had Gigabyte before and it was also sh*t. Though something happened with my mobo's build in lights and they stopped working but oh well.
And Steve adds yet another thing to prevent him from getting sleep. 🤣 But I am ALL here for this idea!
ok this is the best thing to come from computex hands down
be the change you want to see and you are just the guys to do it
Totally support this initiative. It would make things much more compatible with each other also reduce e-waste by a ton