The Tragedy of The Knights of Ren
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- It's fairly popular these days to beat down on the Disney Star Wars sequels... and that's for good reason.
Among the many missed opportunities from these movies, we find the Knights of Ren.
Kylo Ren's elite squad of powerful warriors that we see only briefly throughout the films, until their eventual demise in Episode 9.
Episodes 7 through 9 are lacking compelling villains beyond Kylo Ren, and it would have been great to get to know antagonists that we could see go back and forth with Rey and the rest of her rebel crew.
Perhaps with some of them maybe turning back to the light or dying tragically... or even just at least being an in-between challenge for Rey to help show her growth as a Jedi, or even challenges for Finn or Poe.
But no, they get no dialogue, are basically window dressing for scenes, and only ultimately exist to expand a Kylo Ren action figure set.
There's actually some interesting lore to Ren and the predecessors of the name and lightsaber, but we never got any of that even hinted at in the films. Instead we got... well, what we got in the sequels.
The angle of Ren and the philosophy of The Ren in comparison to the order of the Sith is a pretty interesting idea, and again, considering that Ben Solo took the mantle of Kylo Ren while still not taking the lightsaber The Ren... could have all been interesting to see and would have been more interesting than “somehow, Palpatine returned.”
It's an interesting direction to take to expand the Dark Side and the ways to become corrupted by it.
Instead of villains like that, we get rushed high stakes villain Palpatine, Palpatine's gloried bath robe puppet and... Hux.
And Captain Phasma, I guess... but damn she could get her own video-- there's another huge missed opportunity of a character right there.
The worst part about this is that unlike a lot of Star Wars where more shallow parts can be effectively explained and expanded on through spin-off media, I wouldn't want them to elaborate more on who the Knights of Ren were.
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They had such cool designs... And nothing else. No character, no identity. So unfortunate.
Then came the comics.
@@disneyboy3030 They do what they can
@@disneyboy3030even then they don't really have any character
@@Isaacisaperson4677 The comics aren't terribly interesting, but they do at least flesh out the "Ren" concept and explain how things develop to what they are in the sequel trilogy. Better than nothing, but not much better
4:32 That one trooper who said "#goals!!" had more dialogue than any of the actual Knights of Ren did
If they ran with the idea of Kylo Ren actually wanting to destroy the Sith and create a newer Order that's more based on the logic of Ren, I think it would have made the sequel trilogy way more interesting and Kylo Ren a much more interesting character. But instead, they just bailed and rushed the films scripts so much that it's all trash.
Knights of Ren needed red lightsabers. I want to know their former identities.
They are dark side force users. Why wouldn't Ren or Kylo Ren show then the ways of the saber? Instead they have their own weapons... Which are fine, but I think we'd all prefer if they were using red sabers.
And again, with no time for character development, we know nothing about their former identities without needing to look up their lore.
I remember the crackpot theory they were going to be revealed to be the crew of Rogue One. Would have been nuts.
@@1000g2g3g4g800999 all these fan theories are so much better than what we got lol
The Knights of Ren were Walmart Inquisitors... and I thought the Inquisitors were pretty lame.
"Walmart Inquisitors" is hilarious 🤣 And so unfortunately true, too
I always say the knights of ren was wasted potential such bad ass character designs all for nothing
Couldn't agree more. Awesome designs, with no substance underneath.
To me, the sequels do nothing but ruin the immersion. They need to be erased from canon. Any movie or show trying to fix or explain them will only ruin itself by trying and even if it is actually good, it will only make the ST even worse by contrast.
Exactly! Couldn't have said it better, myself. It's a good thing that the only animated series spin off from the sequels sucks too and is already barely worth watching.
@@mediatransmission I haven't and never will see Resistance xD
@@PsychedelicDude You're better off that way. Way better off. Not actually SUPER terrible but definitely not worth watching
@@mediatransmission The animation alone is a turn off. Makes Rebels look dark and gritty by comparison.
@@PsychedelicDude I actually didn't mind initially then going for a more "cel-shaded" look, but the character faces and the overall models are just awful. Too bad, too. Could have at least helped flesh out Po and Finn or something but I guess not.
George Lucas, JJ & Disney really screwed up; Luke could of showed up, fought off the Knights of Wren in The Force Awakens. A huge battle that brings Luke back on screen like the end of Disney's The Mandorean. The flawed, stupid pointless way characters like Gen Hux, Snoke, Capt Phasma, DJ, Knights of Wren displayed how inept Disney is.
They just had no idea how to set up villains and have fights with them that pay off and resolve points in the narrative. Super unfortunate.
Gorge Lucas sold star wars to Disney he has absolutely no say in what happens anymore.
@@emilyevans7642 yep in that very moment,when he signed, he screwed up big time....
Hux was a great character...in Force Awakens, when he was channeling a certain European dictator. Then in Last Jedi he became a sniveling punchline in order to make Snoke and Kylo look more intimidating as they pushed him around.
There was a lot of potential in Force Awakens. And then it all fell apart.
Remember that one Game Theory that the Knights of Ren were the squad from Rogue One decades later? Sounds more compelling than what we got about them. Lmao 🤣😂
Way more compelling 🤣
Simple Answer: They Sucked!
Seriously, WTF did they do? What purpose did they serve? And what did they accomplish besides getting their collective asses kicked by Ben Solo in the finale?
Nothing beyond looking cool in the background of Kylo Ren posters and action figure sets
wtf is Ren? It's a person? it's an idea? it's a lightsaber?... Maybe better stick to the Nightsisters?
Ren is the one who wields The Ren... Except for Kylo Ren, who doesn't even use The Ren.
Yeah I know the logic ain't perfect but it's still better than Palpatine not being killed by Vader.
In my sequel trilogy, the Knights of Ren are new group force users created by Lord Ren. Lord Ren believes that common non-force sensitive beings are incapable governing themselves that Force-users are supreme beings destine to bring order to the galaxy. She combines the teachings of both Jedi and Sith put rejects the aspects that led to there downfall. She combine aspects of Darth Bane Rule of Two and Rule by the Strong. So every member of knight of ren must have a apprentice and to avoid power struggles she have code of honor in the Kaggath system. She also build a Cult of Personality around Darth Vader in order keep Knight of Ren in line by making them unit to accomplish Lord Vader goal of bringing order to the galaxy rather than petty squabbles.
This is way more interesting than what we got. Amazing how fans conceive of better, more thoughtful ideas than mega corporations who hire teams of writers and story editors.
@@mediatransmission Do you have any questions or suggestions for Improvement?
@@nolanueno1060 Not really, I think you should continue to develop the concepts and overall thesis statement of your fan sequel trilogy, and perhaps try to produce it into some kind of video or blog post on social media. It's interesting!
They should have been wiped out by Chewie. All that potential wookiee rage... wasted.
Petition to have this become the new canon way that they are killed.
Oh, that's a good point, JJ abrams could have had the knights as the primary antagonist in "last skywalker" instead of clumsily bringing back palpatine for a lore breakingly stupid plot point.
He could could have literally made the exact same movie with one of them filling the primary antagonist role and elude to things palpatine might have done before he died to fill in the blanks where needed. 🤔
I had a pretty low opinion of that movie b4, but this just really drives home the level of incompetence involved in the plots construction.
They resurrected an old antagonist even though they had several on hand, ready to take the reigns.
Its bad enough if you go in thinking that taking snoke off the board last movie put them in a bind, but when you realise that because the knights exist, it didn't really. That's next level bad.
"next level bad" is perfect for the sequels
@@mediatransmission it certainly captures the overall tone of the trilogy 🤔
@@src6339 Great comment, overall, too. The Knights as a series of antagonists would have been way more compelling to see get taken down than just having Palpatine return. But that would have required development from early on, and considering they basically just winged every script, we never got it. Instead we got characters with no dialogue that never ended up mattering.
I cant even remember them in the movies. Just proves how worthless they are.
Such an unfortunate waste of potential. So forgettable.
Knights of Ren aka yet another failure of JJ Abrams
Don't forget the screenwriters and producers. Many hands went into blowing these films.
Really
Exaggerated
Nobodys
Redundant
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N...ot Cool Characters...
Yeah I got nothing lol Still tried, though!
Knights of Ren were more useless then the missing members of Destiny’s child
Brutal lol
@@mediatransmission but true
They ren away
😭😭😭
@@mediatransmission had to come up with this. I know it's bad, just as bad as the sequels 🤷🏻♂️
@@mellie2003 Nah, that pun is better than the sequels lol
They die so easily haha
And to Ben Solo, who as Kylo Ren, the one who destroyed the Jedi Order from under Luke, could barely beat Rey, who had JUST received a lightsaber.
These "knights" SUCK
The Knights of Ren are a waste of opportunity? Really? How about the waste of the opportunity of having possible a last adventures with main original (no other characters that have no bearing on the trilogy or the story is a whole) characters involved in one last war in the stars.
I agree, the whole sequel trilogy is a wasted opportunity. The tragedies of modern Star Wars will all be covered.
I love the part of this video where you poke holes in your own arguments.
This was my first script, you gotta cut me a break 😭
I feel quite bad for you.
Why's that?
I cant even remember them in the movies. Just proves how worthless they are.
Highly forgettable