shooting three fingers under barebow archery
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- In this video we take a little look at Barebow archery and shooting with three fingers under.. Hope you enjoy :)
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Please not this video does not apply to those who string walk :)
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using 3 under for now 20 years, never felt comfortable with split, tried it now and then and everytime came back to 3 under
i like the one up 2 under, and i can't get ever enjoy or get used to 3 under. sometimes i shoot 2, one up and under though.
silly question on a year old comment, does the nocking ring placement change wether you use 3 under / split finger? or same location?
Eagles_Eye I’m sure you got an answer to this already, but yes. Typically the nocking point on 3 under is higher than split finger.
@@Eagles_Eye not a silly question at all.
in general, no... however IF a bow is tillered for split and you want to use it 3 under, you would usually nock higher than usual.
if a bow is tillered for 3 under, you're kind of out of luck.
They're both good. Split performs better, as in the arrow speed is a little higher, and the bow is quieter. It's also more comfortable on the fingers. But aiming is more of a mystery, you can go from amazing to making mistakes and the mistakes are harder to understand. But when you're doing good, it feel more effortless than doing good with 3 under, everything just feels like it pops into place with less conscious effort. 3 under while not necessarily more accurate, it's more reliable. Your first shot of the day (or first shot after a break) is more likely to be dead on with 3 under than with split. Concentration on the aiming is more conscious and simple (simple as in easier to understand), and mistakes are easier to notice, as in if your shot goes left, you're more likely to notice you pulled left before the arrow even hits the target. I appreciate both and don't know which one I like better as they both have pros and cons.
I was taught 3-under but found I couldn't sight a 50 yard target as I had to aim so high above it in order to hit it that I couldn't actually see it anymore. With a split grip I can sight it really well but had the opposite problem at 20 yards as I had to aim at the floor to hit the target. Now I shoot 3-under upto 30 yards and split beyond and it seems to work really well for me. I suppose this is similar to face walking in technique. You're dead right about the same point on the string, I always touch the nock and I find that I'm very accurate with 3-under. Thanks - I enjoy watching your videos and you inspired me to shoot barebow.
azw409
I get what ya said but you ain't face walking by what you describe your describing string walking and by sounds of things your gap shooting ....imo two dfferent ways of doing things and mixing em ya might get all muddled up ....but again if it works for ya ....go for it
Good subject. When I work with new shooters I have them shoot 3 under if I feel they are squeezing the arrow or twisting the string too much shooting split. It takes their mind off the arrow and gives them what I feel is an easier way to draw the bow. I shoot split finger now but started with 3 under also. Nice vid,
With the three fingers under I’ve heard people mention walking the string for aiming, I was hoping you would of addressed how the further down you go effects aim and how to judge how far down is needed
Very interesting subject. I've been shooting since mid -90s and from the start always shot split finger, and was very happy doing so and with great results. For some reason, and I cannot figure out why, I switched to three under sometime after 2010 and find myself much happier and more comfortable. I must admit I kept it tl myself since all my shooting friends all shot split, as you "should", so I feel a bit more at ease after watching this video clip :-).
Im a neophite in archery coaching. You video educate me a lot. I want to learn more from you. Though i dont have yet a bow and arrow im learning from you. Bow and arrow is very much expensive which my students cant afford to buy. Even my month salary is not suffice. We are going to compete in archery this december. Hopefully i could be a able to have one. Philippines is my country
We genuinely surprised him!
They move their fingers up and down because they are “string walking” for aim at different ranges - it’s the correct way to do it!
I think people get too caught up with different techniques. For instance I started off shooting split and did fine,but I was getting a lot of finger pinch. My dad always shot 3 under and got me to try it,my accuracy increased because I prefer shooting instinctive and it was a smoother draw with my high anchor point!! 1 big run on sentence haha!
My experience has been recently that only us 'older' guys shoot split finger - the new school of archery seems very much to lean toward the three under. To me it has really felt unnatural and a uncomfortable to shoot three under. This was a good vid. You should explain tiller a bit more as I think the idea is foreign to a lot of people. Thanks Jim
illyounotme Hmmm... ??? First off, I guess with my comment I'm showing my age then. I'm not so sure it is a technical thing, as I'm sure for some it becomes that , as much as it is a regional thing. Thanks for the comment.
+Nuttn Much I started out with the split finger release on 68" recurve, had no issues. Later with progress into short hunting recurve bows I had to switch to three under due to nock and finger pinching. So it could be partly caused by bow and archery style too.
+Sideshowbobx
I had a Bear Super Magnum 48" many years ago. The bow was so short, that the angle caused by the string when drawn was so acute, that finger pinch was a big problem. Sold it fast!! Now compounds are a lot shorter than that, but you have the convenience of a mechanical release - no more finger pinch, in a short bow easily used in heavily wooded areas.
i've shot split my whole life. i don't like 3 under because it over attentions the lower part of the string and feels unbalanced in the draw. but some bows like bears are designed with less charge in the lower limb.
negative tiller is recommended for 3 under if tiller is adjustable. positive to neutral for split.in a perfect world one piece bows would be made for which style would be used. hurts resale a bit and probably muddies the waters some too. I shoot 3 under and shoot as trad as an ILF wood riser lets me. nice work Jim, always a treat.
I'm trying to animate a 3D model and I've never done any research on how to shoot -- came here trying to see if I was weird for holding my bow string with my index over the nock and 2 under it because I always see pictures of people only using 2 fingers (1 over and 1 under) -- Just the idea of holding 3 under with nothing over nock feels wreckless lol -- though when I was young id make crappy bows and arrows out of anything and I've had them come out sideways, maybe its just my need to feel in control of it. Best way to control a knife is with a finger on either side of it also.
i am right handed and my dominent eye is right..i shoot barebow...so while aiming from which side of string shuold i have to look...right side of string or left side of string to aim
Always 3 under
Wow what's that awesome looking patch in front of the goose??
Vids quite cool too ;)
Would you recommend raising the nocking point for shooting three under to alleviate too much pull on the bottom limb?
Howard Hawksley
imo and just mine ....if you don't raise your nock then in effect you have walked the string so you will get different results but again only my opinion ....to me if your going to shoot 3 under (and himself is spot on about tiller but thhat aside) you should really re nock your string for a different finger placement
There are some very good vids out there that go into 3 under and string walking/face walking and diff aiming methods. Again me but I wouldn't suggest mixing the methods as ya will only get all confused and probably frustrated ....go with with works for you and well really there no magic method only practice and more practice
+Graeme Donaldson
3 under shooters usually nock at 3/4".
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. I shoot 66" ILF recurve. tiller is even. 5/8 above center. Its very smooth. 66" is the sweet spot, you can hunt and string walk while hunting. I use a glove and quarter the glove for my crawl. 1.5 fingers = point on 0-12 yards. 1.25 = 12-18. 1=18-20. Try it . ILF is the key to shooting 3 under and string walking.
i have bought lots of different gloves for shooting my bow but have ome problem split finger is causing me to get a lot of pain in my index fingert along the inner edige next to my nail on my right hand i draw with my right and my club prefers using splitfinger any one can come up with any ideas for a cure to this issue
Shooting 3 under myself for a while. I use a high nockingpoint. and full lenght arrows. This helps with point on range. with this setup my point on is 38 merters. Shooting 3D and field i think gapping works really well. Check out Jimmy Blackmons videos on gap shooting.
+Vegard Maassen
And get Masters of the Barebow Vol. 3, with Rod Jenkins.
The oh pepper you silly pig part made me laugh uncontrollably
Why is two split not recommended?
Wow another grizzly Jim
All Grizzly Jim's are awesome :)
For barebow, I use 3 under up to 30m, and split for anything longer. Lets me gap with the point on the face
I've only been shooting since october 2021, they taught us recurve to start but been shooting barebow since january. This is exactly what I've been doing with a 30lb bow, glad to know it's an "acceptable" technique :)
jim, which do you prefer, bucktrail blackhawk or regime taiga
Ragim taiga is so god damn light and the brace height is like shorter than 5 inch something like that. I'd prefer ragim impala deluxe recurve
What bow is that? Looks very nice :)
It's one of the new TimberCreek prototypes
You don't understand 3 under and walking the string
The Push is an awesome video.
I went some erratic grouping to consistent grouping with String walking.
I annoyingly got 3 Robin Hoods... as a side effect from string walking.
The 1st time felt awesome, now it just hurts to hear that distinct sound.
Jim jones
I've been in archery starting in 1960, on a heavy weight bow split fingers is more a stable and have tighter groups., I still shoot weekly. Longbow, recurves with hand built arrows 🎯
3 Under and string walking:
Search for "archery tab barebow" and most of the tabs have even spaced markings that is used for string walking to get the same draw point on the string every time. I use 3 under and never understood "closer to the eye" makes it easier. I aim with the head of the arrow always in the middle of the target. Where I hit depends on how many "dips" on my tab I have counted to get where I should hold the string. Example 10meters I count 8 "dips" and hold there. 30meter I count 5 "dips". 50meter I count 2 "dips". With this method where you aim at the same point and having the same anchoring point at any given distans gives consistency. The whole point is to make the next shot the same as the last shot you did to get tight groupings.
The secret about aim is it's still a secret. I have learned it's not how you hold the string it's how you let it go and where the arrow is pointing at that time. Almost as frustrating as golf, left is right, up is down and no that's against the rules. 🙄
I shoot 3 under and do not look straight down the arrow. I have got into many discussions with people that shoot split finger. When I nock the arrow it is roughly at the same location as someone who shoots split finger and that is because, my anchor finger is my pointer finger....typically everyone else uses there middle finger but I do not. As soon as I saw that then people typically back off the whole looking "tubing" the arrow. I have tried to shoot split finger but it is way to awkward for me to do so...my elbow goes all funky...I cannot pull the bow straight back and I just become stupid with it. 3 under is much more smoother for me plus I do not have to worry about pinching the arrow and having it fall off the riser.
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how do you aim if you shoot split fingers? since u cant string walk
now I'm no pro or anything but I shot better than my friend (barely) at a very small archery tournament of about 25 people I came in second and he came in 3rd and he actually did something in high school that involved archery and was apparently pretty good. I never payed attention to how he shot and I never even knew people shot with 3 fingers under the nock, but I've always instinctively shot split and felt it, it sounds stupid saying you feel the shot but that's what I've always done -- ive never once looked down an arrow shaft to see what its pointing at -- I think as long as your consistent in what you do with your body you get a feel for where its going to go. Almost like a trebuchet, if you pull the rock back the same distance every time, its going to launch and hit the same spot, I aim with one pivot point at my waist everything else stays the same. Another good example I think are those 6 shooter "wild west" enthusiasts that practice pulling from the holster and shooting from the hip as fast as they can, no ones aiming down the barrel, you just do it enough that you can feel it and you can get good at feeling it just like everything else!
what himself might have said was if you do shoot 3 under and you don't "address" the string the same every time ....then you are in effect string walking (yup the dark arts lol....and yup I have done said and face walked and used different aiming methods before I be getting jumped on for saying)....but just my thoughts as I don't belong to any club and am not an instructor just a dude that has shot for many years.
Worth noting that some competition rules specify Mediterranean so three under would be invalid.
Three under (I'm not sure) is Mediterranean, just a different form
Three fingers under hates me, lol...
just practiced it and aiming an arrow doesnt work for me either
South Paw and Southern Flip grip is how I started then split finger. Once I found a thumb ring I was hooked and have never felt more at home. Three fingers feels as goofy as shooting lefty... or righty how ever it applies, lol.
nice
pretty simple, FITA only allows mediterrenaean draw (what you guys call split fingers) in competition.
+Frank Blanken Not quite... you get sting walkers in FITA and you can't do that split finger. There are many governing bodies and they all have different rules (FITA, GNAS, NFAS, IFAA, EFAA, WFAA...and so on) Its always best to check with the body to see what styles they allow :)
And ?
*ragim
Set e nockpoint or just use a tab 🤷♂️
Merlin ,That's not how 3 under works . You change the space between your finger and the arrow at different distances its called walking the string or string walking . Watch this video czcams.com/video/57g--R2jEWs/video.html
Which method was used by English longbow men in the middle ages? Just curious.
Mr Jambowie Mediterranean.
LoneStarArcher Thanks man
Mr Jambowie
Split finger they used....but remember to that their anchor was way different (in mean they anchored not how I'd guess folks at clubs are taught unless they shooting warbows) and their poundages were way way higher and really their objectives were somewhat different ....
Interesting thanks man.
Graeme Donaldson how did they anchor?
Great show! Backgound music is shite, elvis is dead.
Four fingers throws my shit. Three works better
hm...missing a Trophy there.... :/
Team Bear :D