The Orthodox Veneration of the Mother of God
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The Most Holy Theotokos is our mother too. May she pray to her Son, our Lord and God Jesus Christ, for all of us.
Amen.
“Well Said”-Jay Dyer
"Now, I'm not trying to be mean" Jay Dyer.
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The Catholic concept of the immaculate conception was what caused Abbe Guette to question the whole Roman Catholic system in the first place and ultimately led him to Orthodoxy.
I ordered that book from St. Herman's once & got Orthodox Dogmatic Theology by Fr. Michael Pomazansky in the mail instead... figured it was meant to be.
Bought it in my parish bookstore, read it last week. Really enjoyed your take, thanks.
Ty. ☦
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The best argument I have against "Immaculate Conception" is that depriving Mary of the very possibility of personal sin is denying she has free will (or gnomic will) and so denying she is a human hypostasis. This is even clearly suggested when the RC theologian cited here says that in a way she is "no longer a creature". In addition, we see in the formulation of the bull of 1854 that this pseudo-dogma is intimately related with the heretical scholastic idea of the "merits of Christ" in payment for "original sin" and "satisfaction" to the "offended Father". Saying that Christ had personal "merits" necessitated for salvation seems to imply a human hypostasis in Christ, thus a Nestorian christology. Two big heresies implied in this logic : the Theotokos is no longer a human person (she is infallible, unlike Eve or Adam before the Fall), but Christ has assumed a human person whose merits serve to give satisfaction for the sin of Adam. Of course, the very idea of the Father being "offended" and waiting for reparation is also highly disputable et regrettable (= augustinism and legalism of Anselm of Canterbury), while the Eastern Orthodox view is that Salvation comes from the fact that Christ, being God by nature, has voluntarily undergone death in the flesh, and by that very fact has destroyed death and broke the gates of Hades (cf. St John of Damascus and Troparion of Pascha). We should also mention that one of the councils gathered in Constantinople in the 12th century (if I remember well) specifically declared that the Eucharistic sacrifice was offered by Christ to all the Trinity and not only to the Father, an important doctrine which was meant to prevent any abusive "severing of the Trinity" in the Economy of salvation and also to render impossible any Nestorian-like (or even Arian-like) notion of the Passion of Christ as an "atonement" for sins thanks to the merits of Christ offered to the Father.
the Immaculate Conception does not deny the Holy Virgin free will, she could have sinned...of course (as Catholic and Orthodox agree) she never did. Rejoice o Virgin Theotokos!!!
The "until" argument by prots is probably the most idiotic argument I have ever heard from them. They can't even do proper syntax.
It's basic word concept fallacy.
A debate with that guy from reason & Theology (the one that sounds like he hasn’t finished his food while talking) would be nice.
"For those who know, they know" 😂 love it
Good discussion.Thank you.
Great video, thank you. I've been looking for a good explanation on the Orthodox view of Mary, and this has alleviated a lot of my Protestant-born misgivings on her veneration.
Most holy Theotokos, save us.
Only Christ can save us.
@@aarongebreslasie7677 the phrase “most Holy Theotokos save us” means we are requesting her to pray to Christ to save us, as salvation is from Christ but her prayers are very powerful. May the Lord God bless you, friend
@@fredfredburger6623 Hi Fred. There is a huge difference between saying Pray/interceed for us and save us. Only Christ can save us but, st. Mary can pray for us to the Lord. That's why l objected to him.
@@aarongebreslasie7677 most Holy Theotokos save us
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Nicedemos Hagiorite has a video on this
Your video as absolutely wonderful...we Orthodox need to hear this! keep going! God bless you my brother in Christ!! We need more sustenance and discussion! Continue on exactly as you do...be yourself! Bravo!😇
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This was the 1st book my priest told me to read
Great video!
Also: Interesting question for long after I am dead: Can contradictions between Saints negate not only their testimony, not only their Sainthood, but the claims of those who come after?
What about the Roman Catholic idea of Mary as co-redeemer? That doesn't work either, does it?
Edit: I should have listened to the whole thing before posting, forgive my foolishness.
No, it doesn’t, since that title isn’t endorsed by Orthodox theology.
@@nickys3225 That makes sense.
Just latin sophistry as usual
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The Theotokos is co-redeemer in as much no one is saved apart from her prayers according to St Gregory Palamas.
The 35 minute mark: This interests me, are there physical ways one can notice a "losing" of the Holy Spirit?
O Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee - Blessed Pius IX pray for us
saying that the Catholic Church is based on St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas is 100% totally untrue - total fiction
Umm.
I want to like this video, I really do. I want to know how the orthodox view the virgin mary. It's just so amazingly boring. Walls of text, boring into the details and endless comparative argument drowns out your unique perspective. Your inflammatory polemics are just kind of boring too. We all know feminists are wrong and doubling down on that with swear words feels blasé.
From 38:00 onwards you spend five minutes reading straight from a wall of text that's on the screen leaving only like a two sentence break to share your own perspective. I came here to see your perspective and hearing you read what I'm staring at is the basic no-no of power point presentations you learn in University (high school?). You're not using the medium for it's strengths, why not start a podcast instead of using video.
I get this is supposed to be an advertisement for a book. It hasn't stood on it's own as a video successfully and the book's reputation is hurt by it. I'm going to go somewhere else to continue my orthodox journey, the orthodox talks by priestmonk kosmas in sydney are quite good. They don't pretend to be a video. Forgive me for the criticism, it seems necessary.
Orthodoxy is not about entertainment. Truth can stand on its own without tickling the ears as St. Paul might say.
I want to like this comment, I really do. It's just so amazingly boring. Walls of text, boring into the details and into and endless comparative argument drowns out your unique perspective. Your inflammatory polemics are just kind of boring too.
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I want to like this comment, I really do. It's just so amazingly boring. Walls of text, boring into the details and into and endless comparative argument drowns out your unique perspective. Your inflammatory polemics are just kind of boring too.
Trying to augment against others traditions while stating your traditions is right sound like hypocrisy
Why would someone argue for something unless they thought it was right? Your comment makes no sense.
@@tynytian the problem comes when people who elevate tradition condemn others who don’t follow it when there is no clear biblical proof… no wonder the religious fanatics turn into zealots
@@rhb30001 no, the problem comes when you try and divorce the scriptures from the tradition that gave them. The difference is that Orthodoxy is the tradition given to us by Christ Himself, not something someone made up 2000 years later based on their own amateur interpretation.
Tradition is a set of teaching handed down through which one interprets scripture and lives one's life. We see in the new testament the apostles and even Christ Himself, telling us to follow the teachings, both written and spoken word. Sola Scriptura is the assumption that correct doctrine can only be taken from text. This is an unjustified assumption, and it contradicts the words of Paul in Thessalonians.
@@tynytian well let’s just hope that you picked the right tradition to follow..I will pray for you that you have the correct one out of the many and glad you engaged with me in a Christian way ..thanks
@@rhb30001 the evidence from the early church shows Eastern Orthodoxy to be the apostolic tradition. No need to pray for me, you've spoken against that sort of thing elsewhere. You wouldn't want to be caught interceding for someone else as if God lacked omniscience. Gotta stay consistent with your own TRADITION. I, on the other hand, will continue to pray for you and everyone else in the divine liturgy every Sunday, alongside the saints who are reposed in the Lord. I also appreciate the civility on your part. God bless.