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How Fast is Our Bought Not Built Clio 172 Track Car? Ft. Brands Hatch
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2019
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Welcome to onboard footage from our recent track day at Brands Hatch and the first track outing for our newly bought not built Clio 172. The plan to replace the old Clio 197 with a car of similar pace didn’t quite go to plan, oops! Although evenly matched in the corners, it was the 172’s superior straight line speed which proved too much for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 to handle. Back to the drawing board!
We hope you enjoy the video, let us know what you think and if you want to see more hit the subscribe button.
Car Specs:
Clio:
Intake - Ramair induction kit
Exhaust - decat, custom stainless catback
Front suspension - BC DS coilovers with 3.5 degrees negative camber (adjustable top mounts, camber bolts)
Rear suspension - BC DS 'coilovers', rear axle shim plates
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS3000 pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Rear Brakes - Pagid pro race pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Tyres - Nankang AR1 195/50/15
Interior - rear cage, perspex front windows, fully stripped
306:
Intake - standard intake with K&N panel filter
Exhaust - decat, Scorpion catback exhaust
Front suspension - KW coilovers and 2.25 degrees negative camber (machined hubs, standard top mounts)
Rear suspension - 21mm torsion bars, 205 Bilstein Group A dampers, solid beam mounts
Front Brakes - 406 Brembo calipers, EBC Bluestuff pads, OE Brembo 206 GTi 180 discs
Rear Brakes - Yellowstuff pads
Tyres - Nankang AR1 205/50/15
Interior - stripped
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VIVE LA BAGUETTE 🥖 !!! 🇫🇷
As a racer on both two and four wheels and an instructor watching your videos. Good effort. You boys can peddle, it’s refreshing to see 👍👍
Brands hatch with a bit of lift off oversteer - cheered me right up on a boring Sunday.
Would love to try a track day but my Golf is far too slow. 0-60 is measured by a calendar
Do it Doctor, I had a CBX1000 back in the late 80's and my friend and I got a wee shot of two Honda Melody's....50cc scooters. We raced them around our town at 30mph and had a great hoot, we laughed and laughed, well you get the idea. Its about what you are on, not what others can do. Go for it. you will love it. Gee.
I don't know whats better.. the driving or the laughter
Awesome stuff as always! Loved the laughs from 306 (probably co-driver's?) xD
Wish my stock 1.2 Clio was that quick 😂
The 1.2 16v engine is really good. Well prepared it can surprise 😉
You’ve got a solid engine in a very light and capable platform, just a bit of handling upgrades and your clio will be an absolute hoot. Sure it won’t be fast, but what’s more fun than revving it to the limiter and still be nowhere near the speed limit?
Mine too
Brilliant video lads, looks like you had a blast!
That baguette has mustard in it for sure 🤣
Probably the Dijon variety.
@@CamberandCombustion I'm actually living near from Dijon ;)
I love these guys. They literally drive the piss out of their cars. A true blessing to behold
Brilliant driving lads and still pissing yourselves laughing.... Love it.
Can't get enough of yore onboards! You know how to have fun.
Glad I got recommended this channel amazing driving
Your laughing is infectious, it gets me laughing along with you every time! :D
Some incredible driving!! Well done great video
Another great video love your footwork!
Nice driving, thank you for the video
5.01 damnnnnn man the control! Love that!
Great driving and it's awesome to see a 306 gti6 on a track, where it belongs alongside a rs clio :)
The guys laugh just made those slides even better. Bloody well held in those bends.
Top video, nice to see relatively simple machinery maxed out! Generally quite the opposite. Fun to watch and the 306 looks so good to drive!
Laurie Eggins 🙌🏻 The 306 is a real gem to drive 🔥
So good and funny driving boys,nice video
Great videos as always. Need to sub :).
Owned 8 or so clios over the years, great fun
wow! Surprising how much quicker the 172 is compared with the 197! I never imagined that. You boys can drive!
No 197 had anywhere near 197 ps let alone 197 bhp. Some Clio 172 had near 172, some didn't. Plus extra weight of 197. For reference, my cousin's 197 made 174 bhp at a Clio RR day and his friends, with filter and zorst mods made 180.
@@bobfranks6445 Yeah that's because they're wheel horse power figures on a dyno. Factory get their readings from the crank where nearly all of them make 197ps at crank, around 194hp. 194hp at the crank converts to around 170whp on average. So those 197's made good power. The one making 180whp would be around 210bhp at the crank.
@@Leesmithmk2 Nope was flywheel, there was a huge thread on Cliosport about it.
Guys you are very good! Thank you.This is like Japanese bestmotoring. I love it.
I love your Videos....Its nice to see the Frontwheeldrive drifting
Great skills mate.
3:11 ....priceless - the noise ! :)))
Looks Soo much fun!!
great car control Fella , enjoyed that
Nice... :) But, when I read "replace the old Clio 197..." I wasn't expecting "...for an even older Clio" XD But very fun driving
Great Driving👏
I discovered your channel a few months back, and I was amazed by the skill you two put into driving these cars. You guys really know how to drive. Have you been into some form of racing?
We have both done various bits of racing over the years with good success, and have had tuition from some top racing and rally drivers including the late great Pentti Airikkala who taught us the left foot braking footwork you can see on the pedal cam.
@@CamberandCombustion A video on your history would be sick 😍😍
absolutely love these cars, never ever thought id find a channel with these lot in. deffo a subscriber now.
Camber and Combustion pentti airikkalas dead?
Damn. I missed that.
Guy was a weapon.
@@CamberandCombustion Come on guys, we're still waiting for the origins story video. We need to how you acquired those mad skillz.
Just looked at your 172 spec , it's similar to mine except 182 Manifold , that's encouraging
Always an entertaining video from you guys 💥.
Your music choice to match the in car footage from the 172 was genius. Although the 172 was quicker, the action in the car was a lot less frenetic which made it look slower.
If you ever want to post up more videos, build videos would go down very well 👍
Thanks Phil, glad you enjoyed it! The 172 surprised us with its pace so Matt was having to extract every bit of performance from the 306. Will bear in mind the build vids 👍
That Clio handles really well and sounds like it's on bodies 👍
It sounds great, but just an induction kit!
The right track for your cars.
Nice drive, you seem to be easier with the wheel when recover from a strong overseer
Yeah Brands hatch is a fun little track for these hatchbacks!
I fucking love your energy you guys are so great to watch
Looks like so much fun. But you still need a diff! :D
Awesome, cars look good fun and some good driving. Curious to see what you was lapping at?
Pushing that shit to the limit!! good watch
Love an aerodynamic crossiant 👌
Nice steering control
Brilliant
i have a clio172 track car to and i love it very good cars!
I'm out at Oulton park for first day in my 172 on tues, I'll see how well it goes then.
Pretty standard except suspension and Exhaust
Man i like ur footwork
I have watched so many videos on CZcams but yours are perhaps the best......shows you don't need Jeremy Clarkson.. Zonda money to have fun, infact....less can be more , learn,t that a long time ago.... clever marketing men can make you part with your money ....but you boys show what working class hero's are all about. Johnny Cufflinks would tremble in fear in the pits sitting in his 911 if he had to go head to head with you boys. Total respect to ya both 💪
Amen Darren, just goes to show it's not what you drive but how you drive it!
Wanna be in your crew!
More fun cannot be had!
F4R is a long stroke engine so it has great mid range punch. Always amazed me that they can survive for so long over 7500rpm standard considering how high the piston speed gets!
Great footage as always! when is the next video being uploaded?! us baguette lovers waiting patiently out here...
BaitFish appreciate the love 👊🏻 next video coming very soon! 🤙🏻
Класс, побольше новых видео! 👍
Clio is way too lighter even on stock, next time remove the passenger from 306 to clio, imo.
Lol Class good job 👍
Love your videos.
Awesome drivers !!
Can do the same in a sti or evo?
Thanks! 👍 Sure, if someone's brave enough to hand us the keys to their Evo or Impreza, we'll give it a go 😄
Hi C&C, do you have any walk around video's on the black 172 or on instagram or FB etc, have exactly the same car here in aus and about to start tracking it
Gutted you guys sold the 197, awesome video once again.
We were gutted when the engine died on the way to the Ring!
@@CamberandCombustion shit, nasty times. Any idea why that happened?
@@fiestaria Bottom end went plus no compression on two cylinders. It had done over 140k and I have not given it an easy life.
@@CamberandCombustion fair enough, it had to bloody happen abroad didn't it?
Lovin the pug massive
Oh yeah ! You're back - been missing you and the way you laugh....dont worry i make the same noises :)))).....
What engine oil are you using?
Don't we all haha! Oil used in 306 is Millers CFS Fully Synthetic 10w40.
@@CamberandCombustion Omg....you put english oil in french car :)))
@@hirayaman246 don't tell anyone... 😂
Hey, I've driven that track, on Gran Turismo!
Fuck yeah bro, that's hard out all right, I've got a 306 xsi auto, and it still goes hard too! Anyways, mean as bro, viewing from NZ.
Pejo birkişi fazla 😁👍👍
Now i saw the new clio.Nice vid great driving.What is your opinion for clio 197?i can't decide between ep3 and clio 197
The 197 has a much more advanced and capable chassis than the Clio 172/182, but the 197 is heavier so is slower in a straight line. Compared to an EP3 the 197's handling is much better and it is more adjustable but the EP3 engine is amazing! Ideally, a 197 chassis with an EP3 engine would be perfect.
the 1st corner with the 306 is incredible, when you go to the nurburgring?
We are on a track day at the Ring on Monday 14th October, maybe some TF laps on Sunday 13th.
I was their watching, shame my battery went flat or id have got videos, your some drivers👍
Thanks! Next time you see us be sure to come and say hi
Camber and Combustion whens your next track day buddy? Ill be at goodwood on the 11th! If your on instagram click follow and ill catch up with you there! If youve a spare seat some day ill take a blast in the pug👌👌 my instagram is gt3_rs roy :)
That 306 is crazy 😆
It wouldn't be the 306 if it wasn't!
3:34 and 3:42... was that a bolt snapping or something falling off or was that just the harness buckles? Epic driving though. Wish i could do track days again.
Just the harness buckles knocking around in the passenger seat thankfully!
I didnt think there would be much difference with only 5hp difference and similar weights but the 172 had bigger legs.
Legend has it, the Std cat robbed 15hp from the GTi-6.
EugVR6 this 172 has about 10hp on the GTi6 and carries around 80-100kg less. In our experience removing the cat on the GTi6 shifted some power away from the mid-range and towards the top end but saw no real overall gains.
@@CamberandCombustion Thanks for that👍🏼
Some ITBs on the GTi 6 would give it some more poke or some twin webbers 45's/48's maybe!
Keep up the good work with those vid's, very entertaining 👍🏼
Please do a FAQ video :)
When was this? I did a track evening at Brands recently in my 182, might have been there!
This was on the 8th of July during the day 👍
The 306 seems like it's hanging back engine wise compared to other track days.. bottle of injector cleaner? 👍🎄🎄
The 306 was strong, just the 172 is a lot quick in a straight line than the old 197 so it left the 306 behind on the straights. Plus it's pretty much run on best Redex anyway
Hey did you change something on your brake. Is your brake harder to press or is it lite?
Both cars use normal brake pedal pressure
What date was you at brands? I was there on Tuesday 9th, Clio looked fun on track.
Monday 8th!
@@CamberandCombustion Dam! small world, we missed each other by a day. Keep up the oversteer and black flags haha
hi guys. I'm searching for a 2nd hand Clio RS for trackday. i not searching for the best chrono but the best fun and sensations. Do you have an advise ? thank you for videos !
Clio 2 RS2 ?
dawoud8013 thanks for the support 👊🏻 Both the Clio 2 and 3 RS are equally great fun! The Clio 2 is cheaper to buy but needs a few more modifications to be ready for track whereas the Clio 3 is a better ‘out of the box’ car for track and is more refined.
Our choice would be the Clio 3 if it was a road car and track car or Clio 2 if it was just track.
@@CamberandCombustion Thank you guyz !!
More video!
How does the Clio 2 feel compared to the Clio 3 ?
Lighter, more nimble, more neutrally balanced and quicker!
What rear camber are you running on the Clio ?
Around 1.5 degrees negative
What engine oil do you use on your 306?
João Afonso Moreira Millers CFS Fully Synthetic 10w40 👍🏻
Seems most cars handle better on 15S see alot of stuff with 15s swapped from 17s especially hot hatches tyres seem cheaper too love the 306 gti 6 was a 90s hot hatch bench mark then the clios came along to take the crown think although the Renault quicker I prefer the 306. Should have gone clio Williams although expensive and quite rare now.
id love to see these get a Renault 5 if it were ever possible.
What car do you prefer ? The clio or the 306 ? Make a choice and say why?
Quickly response
Alex who owns the Clio prefers it because it's cheaper, faster and has more parts available for it. Matt who owns the 306 prefers it because it's rarer and is more lively at the rear!
@@CamberandCombustion yes. But a bout motors characters?
would be tempted, but people say st150 is better handling.. as the chassis is fantastic stock...
It's definitely close between a 172 and st150 for handling. However the 172 engine is far superior in terms of performance
@@deanodrives4966 induction, cams exhaust and a remap.. knocking on 200bhp.. find used parts, I would argue a all around better track car... But also you mention better engine.. I would say the st is better, non dephaser thing, not timing belt.. if you where to mention gearbox then I would give you that one.
@@isoconfused8744 they do make good power with bolt ons, but the engines out of the box are a lot quicker on the clios. Not taking anything away from the st though, they are fantastic little cars
Seen so many st150s go bang on track not sure whu though
@@isoconfused8744 I would say the Clio is substantially better suited to being a fun track car than the fiesta, out the box they do everything better, they are also lighter and the gearbox doesn't leak hot chocolate quite so easily (although still weaker than others). Not sure who told you the ST150 handles better because it really doesn't. Either car would be a good laugh though so doubt you can really go wrong!
What power 172 ?
What power 306 ?
172 = 180bhp
306 = 167bhp
I hate brands hatch 😬, I keep forgetting the gradient of some of the bends . Mostly hate turn 3,4,5
Which do you perfer 172 or 197?
Too soon to say, we had a lot of fun in the 197. Time will tell...
@@CamberandCombustion get them both on track!
We no longer have the 197 as the engined died back in April, but we're sure to come across one on a trackday soon!
@@CamberandCombustion id say take mine, but its 100% not track ready.
Thats lack of weight more than anything else which made the difference
Lack of passenger I'd say 👌
its been a while gents ✌
This 197 is can be drive on legals roads ?
All our track cars are road legal yes
@@CamberandCombustion so that's perfect ^_^
What tyres do you use on the 306🤣
Nankang AR1
@@CamberandCombustion grips man!
No black flag? Boring 😴 does the Clio feel faster than your 197 was?
Sorry Sam! Yeah the 172 is definitely quicker than the 197 was.
Camber and Combustion what modifications? It sounds amazing
@@sammysev16 Check the description.
oofboof ah yes, thanks!
Which one do you prefer the 197 or 172 looks like a bit less drama in the 172 😂
The 172 seems to be a little more neutrally balanced so we have some tweaking to do to loosen the rear end up!
Camber and Combustion awesome look forward to seeing some fwd drifting 😂😂
@@CamberandCombustion Lots of people say a rear ARB kit set too stiffly loosens the back of the 1*2's up well!
Both get mx5s?
Could be fun!
@@CamberandCombustion especially in they had forced induction
Send it
Glad to see that the little french cars are pleased abroad. In france they rule the racetracks (especially Megane 3 RS ) but here (in France) you will always find stupid guys who only drive in straightline say "renault are shity cars, my Golf GTi kill you" LOL
The 172 definitely looks "stickier" than the 197 and 306. The 172 is a lot smaller which is probably why it's better than the 197
Mostly lighter,120-150kgs less then a 197
1:18 who does a effin foot-over on the brake pedal!? You lunatic... :D
Impressive wasn't it
We will take that as a compliment!
@@CamberandCombustion That would indeed be the correct interpretation...
How about a stockish civic ep3? Should be even with the 306?
Check out our other vids to see a pretty stock EP3 against the old 197 at Oulton Park. The 306 and 197 were always very evenly matched so it would have been close!
@@CamberandCombustion What u think quicker clio or civic? More importantly what car do u prefer the feel of from all the cars
Isn't that a 182 ?
They look very similar but it's a 172 bud 👍
Hmm,not build car seems to be more balanced and stable car than "modified"
You BOTH need 172's!
Nah get another 306 GTI-6. Looks much more fun and sounds better.