What is Islamic philosophy? With Professor Peter Adamson
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- In the History of Philosophy podcasts Peter Adamson, Professor of Philosophy at the LMU in Munich and at King's College London, takes listeners through the history of philosophy, "without any gaps." The series looks at the ideas, lives and historical context of the major philosophers as well as the lesser-known figures of the tradition:
historyofphilosophy.net/
Love the calm atmosphere, no edits, such ease to absorb most of the talkings, never bored.
Amazing, adding knowledge everyday.
May He blessed you with contentment in what you do as it sure does for me listening.
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Do u know what the thumbnail painting called ?
This channel provides a profound balance between serious academic issues and everyday questions that people may have, keep up the amazing work! Hope to be a guest on the channel someday InshaAllah
It is high time Muslims realize how wonderful and intellectual Islamic Philosophical tradition as put up by Avivenna and those after him is. How it helped in development of sciences, philosophy and mysticism. And how this same framework can be used by Muslims once again to bring back the Islamic Golden Age of Reason and Rationality. The hope is high. All that is required is that Muslims return back to the works of these sages.
Indeed
Avicenna held beliefs that contradict the Qur'an like the pre-eternality of the world.
@@vedon_z The belief of the pre eternity of the world does not contradict Quran. You can read Ibn Rushd on it who was also a Faqih. He has explained the issue in detail. It is a philosophical issue. Both the theologians and Philosophers agree that it universe is created.
@@IslamicPhilosophers What about the topic of God only knowing universals?
As the prophet (SM) himself was first a Jew. many Jewish ideas/concepts crept into Islam. For example the prophet introduced many scientific ideas/theories into Quran, and were proved right. But Islam claims Jin, who can change their garb into some other person or animal and deceive people is not correct, without any examples. As for philosophy they studied Greek, Egyptian and Indian philosophy and even improvised on them. The Persians carried the Jewish traditions even long after the prophet's time.
My days of driving a truck in north America, " philosophy without any gaps" podcast was my daily partner. Sometimes I would argue with two or three philosophers and later have Burger with them in my truck. It was so satisfying to listen these men argue sometimes something really trivial.
Great discussion as always brother Paul. Prof. Adamson was certainly refreshing from your last guest. It's unfortunate the Prof. did not speak more broadly about Islamic Philosophy & about Ibn Sina's works. Though it is not true that Greek Philosophy pre-Ibn Sina was thought of as "Christian" practice. Certainly, the Nestorian christians did translate Aristotle & others into Arabic, but they had very limited presence in the practice of Falsafa beyond that. The influential Christians among them were often coverts to Islam, such as Ibn Qurra, Ibn Barakat, Ibn Arafa & others. It is also not true that Arabs were marginally present in Islamic Philosophy. For one, the founder of Falsafa itself is Arab, al-Kindi, who wrote some 250 works on the subject. & the western school of Falsafa (mainly in Andalusia) is virtually comprised of Arabs, such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Tufi & others... albeit less influential (at least in the Muslim world) than the easter school, led by philosophers like al-Farabi & Ibn Sina.
As to Ibn Sina's contributions, they are so much greater than what Prof. Adamson mentioned. For instance, conditional propositions in Logic, & Quantification of predicates, which opened the door to set theory & one-to-one correspondence. Both ideas would only be adopted in Western Logic until 19th century by philosophers such as William Hamilton & Bertrand Russel. In Medicine, his Canon of Medicine was one of three most influential medical encyclopedias for over half a millennium (along with the Hawi of Razi & Tasrif of Zahrawi). Fakhr Razi's commentary on the Canon was standard medical textbook across the Muslim world. The guy talks about a million things, it's impossible to show his greatness in a few lines.
As to Islamic Philosophy. There are three main branches, each with different schools. The Kalam branch (which constitute the bulk of Islamic philosophical output), the Falsafa branch (legacy to Greek philosophy), & the Haqiqa branch (mystical philosophy). The Kalam branch is mainly driven by two schools, the Asha'ira (the Sunni school) & the Mutazila (the many other schools are marginal compared to these two). The Falsafa branch can be categorized into 3 phases, the initial phase, led by al-Kindi, which looks like a reconciliation & consolidation of Greek philosophy with Islamic theology. The second phase, led by al-Farabi, then Ibn Sina, which constitutes an independent paradigm of natively Islamic & Arabic philosophical thought, which a much broader & elaborate body of knowledge than Greek philosophy. The third is the post-Ghazali Falsafa, which is essentially a reconciliation of the former with the Asha'ari thought. On the other end, Hikmah replaces Falsafa & is consolidated into the broader Ash'ari Kalam tradition, finalized by Fakhr Din Razi in the 12th century. The mystical branch pioneered by great mystics like Muhasibi & Talibi, is eventually also consolidated into the Ash'ari Sunni tradition first by al-Ghazali, but also Razi, Shahrastani, Ibn Sabeen & others. By the time of Fakhr Razi, Islamic Philosophy in general became virtually equivalent with Ash'aria.
As to argument from contingency. Without going into the technical details. Ibn Sina argues from sufficient cause principle, that is God (illiyah), hence the Will of God is itself the existence of God. Which the Sunnis (namely Ghazali) find unconvincing, because this undermines the Free Will of God. As beautiful as the argument is, it badly needed improvements, hence the Burhan Imkan, the latest version of Ibn Sina's proof. The main contentions Ghazali find with Ibn Sina's proof are: one, it assumes time is absolute & God is timely, which he deems wrong, for time is relative & is merely an accident created by God, He can not be contingent on it. Things occur in single instances, which appear to us as if time is absolute. The Universe may thus be eternal (in time), but can not be everlasting (without time). Two: that essence precedes existence, which the Asharis find issue with, since these two concepts are not formally linked. As such the Asharis will also find issue with the modern time trend of Existencialism in the West (that existence precedes essence), which Razi argues means essence & existence are identical, which they clearly aren't. Three, efficient causations is not necessary as Ibn Sina contends. The order of events is just apparent...etc...etc. This needs a whole lecture to explain, so... Ibn Sina's argument is indeed a very powerful argument, but needed to be polished from the hidden assumptions it had. The fact is, the Universe may have the appearance to be eternal, but it could've happened in an instance & we'd be none the wiser. Fakhr Razi even argues that we could have an infinite amount of universes & it wouldn't change a thing, for to a timeless & spaceless & immaterial noncontingent God, it's all but a dot, a countless amount of dots is still a dot.
As to the falling man thought experiment. It is originally meant to show the existence of the mental plain. The Asharis (like Ghazali & Razi) use it to discuss the Necessary Reason, that is the essential rational capacity of the human being as they are born without any nurture, i.e. nature. What you know you know such that you can not not know you know. For instance, to know that opposites do not concur. A falling man without senses will still be unable to conceive of a square circle. Al-Ghazali goes further into the thought experiment exploring the spherical human, such that their perception is spherical, they would be a one dimensional being, unaware of distance & directions (since all directions are identical to him), hence some level of idealism. & also exploring the Nature of the predatory animal if we literally remove his body (& not just mask his senses), at what point would the wolf, for instance, stop having the nature of a wolf (to prey on sheep) if we remove his different body parts shy of death. He wonders what body part exactly has the wolfiness, since none has it, then it must not be in the body, it must be beyond the body, i.e. the soul.
I think Prof. Sayyid Husain Nasr, (Iranian born) but living and working in the US since the 80s, would be an interesting person to invite, as would Prof. Dr. Sajjad Rizvi (Exeter, UK), esp, since the latter is a specialist on Saaddruddin Shirazi, the Islamic Philosopher the West is only now starting to grapple with. The French scholars Henri Corbin first introduced him to the West.
Yet another name is Prof. Saiyad Nizamuddin Ahmad who has published a critical Arabic edition of Ibn Arabi's 'Fusus al-Hikam' (Bezels of Wisdom), an absolutely fascinating book! Would love to know more about that.
I would love to have Prof. Nasr come on but I don't think a lot of people will accept that unfortunately
@@stevenv6463 why not?
@@lambert801 Shiaa alertttt
That's an excellent episode 👏 professor Adamson is a well informed and nice speaker, please let's have more episodes with him to talk about other Islamic philosophy figures and ideas.
A little anecdote: Ibn Sina recounted that he was so talented that in his early youth he had no need for teachers and relied entirely on self learning. One day he found Aristotle's book of metaphysics, he read it from cover to cover without understanding anything of it, then with patience he reread it but still understood nothing, then he read it again and again until he involuntarily memorised the whole text of the book without understanding it so he left it thinking that there's no good in trying to understand it.
One day he was sitting with some book sellers and one approached him with a book, when Ibn Sina asked the seller about its subject he replied that it was metaphysics, Ibn Sina shunned but the seller begged him to buy it because its scribe was in need of money, so he bought it eventually.
When he opened it he found that it was Al-Farabi's commentary on Aristotle's metaphysics which he wrote to explain it for the readers, by reading this book Ibn Sina finally understood Aristotle's metaphysics which made him so happy that he gave a lot of charity to the poor to thank Allah for making him understand it.
Do u know what the thumbnail painting called ?
That's why ibin sina lost in theology and become ashari وانكار الصفات desirable name's of Allah
@@rainman7769 Ibn Sina was Asha'Ri?lol man
@@ahlulaql he was ashari Ismaili Shia all together what selly replied
@@TMNmedia I think it's called "Evening Prayer Cairo" by Jean-Léon Gérôme.
Your interview style is fantastic. You ask the questions the audience is thinking of. Great job
He is a very famous Prof. in Germany. Well done for inviting him.
another absolute gem of a discussion, Paul. thanks for the upload👏
Brilliant discussion! Loved every moment!
I'm a great fan of Peter Adamson. Read many of his books.
such a beautiful interview .. thanks so much for sharing it brother ...
Paul your channel is an endless source of lofty intellectual discourse. Jazakallah my brother.
Great watch, thanks for a great episode, really appreciate your work Paul, please keep up the standard in which you do your work, an absolute gift to humanity you are Paul. A great level of work, highly academic for those who enjoy this type of learning.
Been following his podcast for a looong time, I highly recommend, especially the early episodes, glad he made an appearance here! Thanks Paul!
You should rename this to "Discussing Ibn Sina" :D
Amazing discussion as always brother paul!
Great THANK YOU to both of you! Best regards from Zurich.
Many thanks!
I respect this researcher a lot, because his studies in the field of the history of philosophy in the Islamic world are very inspiring.
Nice discussion. Worth listening
JazakaAllahu khayr
Checked out his website from your link - seems interesting. Thank you brother Paul. Maulana Rumi was also from Afghanistan, and was a Persian speaker and eventually lived in Turkey. This is a common pattern for the Muslim scholars of that age.
Peter, Thank you for making Ibn Sina accessibe in this discussion. I will look for your books. Paul, Thank you for this engaging discussion, Your questions clarfified many poiints. May God Bless you both.
As a muslim who loves history, philosophy and kalam, I bought and read 2 of his books. Great author and looking forward to some more books from him.
Kalam is not from the right methodology of the religion of Allah
@@tunnelv1sion898 What exactly do you mean
@@nanashi7779 Maybe , in on the words, Islam has no need for it, never has and never will. We should not waste time and delve into the foolish subject that is “Philosophy” . Why? We have Quran and Sunnah, and this will suffice for us just as it always has and always will. Philosophy is deviant subject and full of utter nonsense. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) wrote at length refuting the views of Ibn Rushd in this book and explaining that esoteric interpretation of Islamic texts is flawed. These discussions appear in his two significant books, Bayaan Talbees al-Jahamiyyah and Dar’u Ta‘aarud al-‘Aql wa’n-Naql.
@@gogreen_0 That only holds weight if you believe philosophy in all scenarios replaces the Qur'an and the Sunnah and there's nothing else to it
@Speak Easy ok, that's your Imam, Ibn Taimiyyah not ours. My Imams, Imamul Haramayn al-Juwayni, Abu Hamid Al-Ghazzali, Fakhruddin al-Razi, and other Ash'ari ulemas were and are great mutakallimun, they're like the philosphers for us the majority of Sunni, Ash'aris and Maturidis. When studying aqeedah in Ash'ari and Maturidi style, we Sunni will always be given examples of the aqeedah and thought from the Mu'tazila, Jahmiyya, Qadariya, Batiniya (Ismaili), Rafidhi (Shi'i), mujassimah, mushabbihah, philosophers that's against Sunni creeds and others so that we can avoid the wrong creeds from entering our hearts and ways of thinking.
this episode is a jewel Paul .. God bless you
Wonderful as usual
love how the familiar "hello everyone welcome to ..." starts as the title is still there in the beginning
This is an extremely insightful interview
Fruitful Conversation 💚
Excellent podcast
Brother Paul this is an interesting video. It very much reminds me of some educational videos by a young sh abdal hakim murad in New Mexico USA. Please invite him to do another video on your channel on this or any other areas of his expertise
Nice guest, friendly and obviously interested in his subject. Though the volume was a bit mismatched with Paul whose audio was much louder.
Thanks. Very useful insight into Islamic Philosophy subject and leading figures - Cena, Kalam, Avicenna etc to make sense of the Quran and existence of God/Allah running parallel to Christian concepts. Thomas Aquinas cited. God bless.
Hi Paul. Could you provide a list of philosophers and books referred to in this talk. Thank you.
It was one of the exceptional discussion on Ibn Sina that I have ever watched. It really brought me in tears about Afghanistan which gave birth to people like Ibn Sina, Rumi, Jami, Fakhrudin Razi and many more but now it's the battlefield of International forces and terrorism.
Both Rumi and Ibn Sina are from the same city (Balkh)
The founder of the Taliban, Mullah Umar, said:
"Allah has promised us victory, and Bush has promised us defeat. We will see which promise is more truthfull".
Today Allah has fulfilled his promise.
@@GalaxyS233 you should be educated first. The founder of this terrorist group is US. You can have a look on Hillary Clinton' speech. Your lenses being shaped by Foxnews. Read in depth.
@@GalaxyS233 talibans enduring belief in Allah and their resolve never to give up is the reason no power on earth could defeat them. it has seen them through trying circumstances when most of the world ganged up with all their might and conspired to write them off as just a bunch of talibs.
Ibn Sina was born in Afshona, in modern-day Uzbekistan. Jami was born in Jam which is in present-day Iran. Razi was born in Rey, a city we now call Tehran (the capital of Iran).
Interesting, one point I will make is that the Greeks got their knowledge from the Kemit or from Egypt, yes even their philosophy they didn't get it out thin air, the Greeks studied the Egyptian mystery system. The lecture is okay, but we must understand whatever philosophy that Muslim scholars may have been taken from Christian or Greeks sources, Islam placed that philosophy under a Islamic microscope. The result was some good and some bad. Muslims must always check whatever non Muslim "authorities ", say about Islam under the test by consulting with Muslim authorities and scholars.
Paul is the 21st century Ibn Taymiyya & Ibn Rushd combined Ma Sha Allah
Paul is Paul
Another great show from BT. Can I suggest you invite a shia scholar as I don't think you have had one yet on the show. This is importance for balance and to get another perspective. I would recommend Dr Shomali, Dr Farrokh Sekaleshfar, who is also well versed on the topic of the eternity of creation, or Sheikh Bahmanpour.
Great suggestion!
Salam Paul, consider diving into the Moriscos topic (Spanish Muslims after the fall of Granada) . I think there's a lot to unpack there and relevance as well due to the persecution of Muslims happening now in China, India, Burma etc.
Jazakallah. I like this sound better 😁👍🏼
what a coincidence..... before this video popped up on youtube...I had downloaded some of Peter Adamson's book.😅
Fascinating
I think you should bring him again to continue on Islamic philosophy trajectory post Ibn Sina
Beautiful program, thank you Brother Paul and Professor Adamson!
Tus is within the borders of today's Iran/Persia but it belongs to the historic region of Khorasan same like Avicenna's ( ibn Sina) Balkh. Today's Afghanistan incorporates a good part of Khorasan but not all of it.
Thank you again for exposing me to this fascinating subject. I took one philosophy course in college. It was not my favorite. But, as with so many things, subjects formerly uninteresting have become fascinating.
It seems to me that fundamental to all talked about here is the assumption that time is linear. Science has proven that time is not linear. It is relative by nature. That fact, coupled with the accepted notion that we exist in a process that is eternal in the future direction, suggests to me that eternity in the past direction is more likely than is a finite past.
What are professor Adamson’s personal beliefs? Great discussion
Kind suggestion to try to bring Ahmed Javid on your podcast ( not to be confused with Javed Ahmed ghamdi saheb ) to discuss Iqbal’s thought and Islamic philosophy.
Wo angrezi bol lain gay? 🤔
Would love to hear ghamidi Sahab too
@@mhdhashaam973 problem is same he too can't speak English fluently enough
@@usmanzahid6118 seriously 😂 ? He's living in America now for years.. Bhai wo hmari tarha hi parhe likhy hn, unho ne madarse se nhi parha
@@usmanzahid6118 aur Hasan ilyas ko bhi bulaya jaa sakta he
can anyone tell me what book they talk about at 15:45? didn't quite catch the name
Boethius’ “On the Consolation of Philosophy”
Thank you brother Paul for your postings. My take on this one is that we should really see bn sinna's work as arabic/persian philosophy. But islamic phylosophy, is made clear to us by Allah in His revealed final message the Quran. And this is clear and easy to understand when we put some efforts towards just that.
In fact since we have the quran why should anybody waste his/her time delving into some other means to knowing the creator. The definitions within the quran should surfice. Time is very precious that we dont waste it in ilm kalam that does not add value to our general quest of being among the successful in the hereafter.
Peace
Would be more pleasant with less ads
Paul kindly also invite Khaled Hossain Nasr
Great topic, Can you make an episode about ibn hazim
Rumi was also from Balkh, Afghanistan.
Congrats 🥳👏
What can you bring to this world in this moment on time better than this?!
About Avicenna being Persian:
What I think professor missed here is that 'Persian' doesn't only mean someone from Persia, it also means someone belonging to the Persian ethnicity. To this day, ethnic Persians constitute the absolute majority of the population of Balkh, Herat, and Kabul. The people in these cities consider themselves Persian, speak the Persian language, celebrate Persian festivals and practice Persian traditions. They don't live in Iran, but they're every bit as Persian as the Persians of Persis (southwestern Iran, where Persians originated from).
Can someone please suggest a channel/series dedicated to Islamic history? I really want to know the history from the Prophet to all the 4 Caliphs. Please suggest.
Check out Rashid Adnan
At last...the most important expert about islamic philosophy is here .... hopefully next in my list Frank grifel and John hoover
I have some doubts in my faith that draws me away farther and farther from my religion.
It's sign of Faith
Please add Arabic translation for mobile
should edit the audio first
Can you make an episode about why muslims rejected the philosophy of Averroes and followed ibn taymiyyah extremists ideology
Wut
Bro ibn taymiyah used philosophical arguments
Can you quit with the lame ad hominems?
@Gostavo Gostavo
averroes’s books were burned because he was the first enlightenment thinker who said follow our brain and logic instead of corrupt imams
In the muslim world he is very unpopular but in Europe he is considered as the father of secularism
ibn taymiyyah said the mongols are not true muslims and we should fight them ( even though the mongols converted to islam )
He said that science like physics and chemistry are haram
Technically he was the founder of modern day terrorism ideology
@@12gmkk29 Go troll somewhere else.
Fact not Fiction
The Christianity never ever Flourished
Islamic philosophy means avoiding evil and doing good but this is so hard for everyone.
Can Ibn Sina's philosophical arguments be influenced/supported by the following Quranic verse?
Quran 24:35
Sahih International: Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.
Ibn Sina never skipped even a single obligatory prayer in his life
And he doesn't follow the Ismaili creed of his father and brother.
Ibn Taimia was highly influenced by Moses Ibn Maimon, the Jewish Philosopher, and strangely enough his followers, namely Wahabists and Salafis have always been trying to hide this fact. Perhaps because he is very controversial in the sense that he believes that God has a body(حاشي لله) forgetting the essence of Tawheed and that is:ليس كمثله شي. So when we talk about Ibn Taimia we need to read all his work to try to grasp what path he takes.
Islam didn't hide any of the other religions we worked with. The Christian, Muslims and the Jewish people worked together all the time. We know this.. you need more information.
Subhaanallaah
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Great topic but would have been better with some representation, there are many great Muslim scholars who have better grasp on this subject.
I listened to him number of times he goes on and on and on and on on the “arabs” and “arabic” (he either has an issue or he is inventing one!)
Without sect of tezile, philosophy in islamic geography cannot be understood
This talk is not about philosophy in the Muslim world; it's a talk on Avicenna.
so god creates and mantains everything by choosing to do so at all times. He does not exert himself by doing this nor can anything cause him to do something as he is perfectly content. Remember God knows what we do not know and simply we cannot fully grasp in this life what god is in all his glory, that is only an honor God bestowes to those who are in the highest levels of paradise, and even then God would still be beyond our comprehension as certain knowledge is only knowable by God himself.
Good. Next up, invite Hasnain Naqvi, Sajjad Rizvi or invite Khalil Andani once again to talk on Islamic Philosophy. It's a good time that you start having Islamic Philosophers who are practicing and critical too. Adamson, as he agrees, is more of a historian of Philosophy.
No thanks.
Agreed 💯
@@ishmammohammadadnan1525 What's the problem with having actual constructive scholars of Islamic Philosophy on channel when you can have historians of Philosophy?
@@IslamicPhilosophers Unfortunately you're that ignorant to get it.
@@IslamicPhilosophers exactly
I personally reckon that the word philosophy originates with the name yusuf, ie prophet yusuf alayhissalam, be he safe. Thus meaning فعل يوسف, fael yusuf. Since the word philosophy according to it's etymology means love of preventing youth from being arrested and jailed.
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the philosopher is the one who practices philosophy in his thought not the one who talks about it
Plzzzzzz invite , Sheikh imran Hossein
Lol
Psalms 147
19. HE DECLARES HIS WORD to JACOB, HIS STATUTES and RULES to ISRAEL.
20. HE HAS NOT DEALT thus with ANY OTHER NATION; they DO NOT KNOW HIS RULES.
Praise the Lord!
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ* *محمد رسول ﷲ*
Wow
Wow indeed
8:22 There is nothing strange about this Mr Adamson, today thousands and thousands of inventors and scientists who work and teach in the west, their names aren't even included in the credits, and I do mean many, from the Middle East to North Africa to Indonesia. You hear university so and so has discovered x y z but the individual(s) who discovered it is Muslims, unless you dig real deep, you wouldn't know who carried out the study or who did the discovery.
There are doubts of ibn sina being muslim.
I think i have gained some brain cells 😅. Complex stuff. Ofcourse we wouldn't be able to understand god in totality. In quran it says there is nothing like god. In first place how do we even comprehend something that is totally unique, which we have no experience of it?
Apakah Ibn Arabi seorang Panteis?
Panteisme Dalam Islam
42.Asy-Syūrā : 11
فَاطِرُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۚ
Pencipta fitrah (faathir, merujuk kata ROBB pada ayat sebelumnya, 10) sang langit (yang jamak) dan sang bumi (yang tunggal)
جَعَلَ لَكُمْ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ أَزْوَاجًا ۖ
Dia (sang bumi) telah menjadikan (ja'ala) bagian milik kalian dari jiwa-jiwa (jamak) kalian pasang-pasangan (jamak) dan binatang ternak pasang-pasangan (jamak).
يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِ ۚ
Dia (sang bumi) menurunkan (keturunan, mengijinkan, memperingatkan) kalian di (wilayah) nya (bumi)
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ ۖ
bukan sesuatu yang seperti dia (bumi)
وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ
dan dia (sang bumi, adalah) sang pendengaran sang penglihatan
Banyak orang memahami soal Ketuhanan dalam Islam di mana meletakkan Allaah sebagai suatu Dzat yang Wujud/Yang Eksis/Yang Ada dan berdiri sendiri DISAMPING wujud lainnya. Kekeliruan ini soal terjemahan dan ketelitian terhadap penggunaan kata-kata dalam teks-teks suci karena ada kata: Allah, ROBB serta berbagai kata ganti kecuali penggunaan kata ganti bentuk ganda dan jamak (bagaimana dengan kata ganti Kami?) serta pasti berjenis kelamin mudzakkar (maskulin ).
Ada pula yang melarang untuk membicarakannya (hanya untuk dipercayai/diimani tanpa mempertanyakan,) sebab dikatagorikan sebagai ayat mutasyabihat yang bila ditakwilkan* akan sesat. Padahal ayat mutasybihat itu yang dilarang adalah mencari-cari takwil untuk membuat fitnah (larangan bukan pada dzatnya melainkan terhadap suatu perbuatan). Selain itu, ayat mutasyabihat bukanlah ayat- ayat muhkamat yang digunakan sebagai pembentuk aturan (berbicara dan bertingkah laku - kelakuan): haram (yang dilarang) dan halal (yang diperbolehkan).
Ketika membicarakan soal Teologi dalam Islam, pasti akan membahas soal yang mutasyabihat (atau ayat-ayat yang dijadikan serupa/penyerupaan, baik dalam sifat/karakter perbuatan atau sifat/karakter fisik). Karena inilah maka para alim ulama' dapat mengkarakteristikkan Allaah yang bukan berarti mendefinisikan Nya/membatasi Nya.
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*takwil تأويل berbeda dengan tafsir تفسير meskipun sama-sama berusaha memperjelas suatu pembicaraan (kalam) dalam Al Quran. Tafsir berusaha menguak arti dari suatu kata menurut berbagai jenis keilmuan lahiriyah (syariat) dari segi kebahasaan menurut pemikiran berdasarkan banyak faktor yang tampak nyata ada pernah atau sedang terjadi dalam suatu masyarakat penggunanya. Sedangkan takwil sebagaimana Nabi Yusuf, as. menafsirkan mimpi. Di mana pengalaman ghaib dikemukakan sebagai pernyataan yang akan terjadi. Ini willayah propetik atau kenabian, suatu ramalan (prophecy). Dalam Katolik, prophecy dirumuskan sebagai: hal yang akan terjadi di masa datang atau di masa lalu yang tertutup dari pengetahuan manusia. Yang berbeda adalah Nabi Yusuf, as. tidak sedang berusaha memahami kitab suci kala itu (bukan dalam rangka menafsirkan kitab suci).
Mutasyabihat dimaksud adalah seperti yang dilakukan Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dalam pengakuan kenabiannya, yaitu: ia adalah sebagai Al Masih yang dijanjikan sekaligus sebagai Imam Mahdi yang dinantikan dengan mendasarkannya pada ayat-ayat Al Quran. Pengalaman ghaibnya disandarkan pada Al Quran kemudian dinyatakan bahwa terhadap dirinyalah ayat-ayat tersebut ditujukan. Jika ayat itu bersifat untuk umumnya orang (baik sebutan mukmin atau kafir) hal itu bisa terjadi pada siapapun. Permasalahanya, apakah hanya terjadi pada satu sosok individu seperti Mirza Ghulam Ahmad tersebut atau bisa juga terjadi pada sekelompok individu?. Seperti yang terjadi pada beberapa kelompok sekte yang mendakwakan bahwa yang diluar kelompoknya adalah yang dimaksud sebagai orang-orang kafir atau orang-orang musyrik dalam Al Quran. Dari sini, dampaknya banyak sebagai suatu implikasi dari pembentukan suatu aturan. Contohnya: Larangan melakukan sesuatu yang terlihat secara lahiriah sebagai tindakan menyembah/melakukan sembah (sebagai model ibadah) di hadapan suatu benda, seperti pohon, batu, dan sebagainya.
None of his books are published in German. That’s sad. 🇹🇷🇩🇪
the unseen is those non existent things that only God has full knowledge of just like what he wills into seen existence he has full knowledge of.
His ethnicity was turkic
That was interesting! There is huge potential for new ideas, in order to help the world, in Iranian philosophy where Islam refined!!!not that one Arabs came to the world and ISIS is one the consequences of those ideas...👌❤
Philosophy in the Islamicate is the correct term. Persian is a language, not an ethnicity. Ibn Sina never said he was a ‘Persian’. None such thing.
Persian in Avicenna’s time was in Arabic script, heavily influenced by Islam and Arabic words.
Aalam e Misil.
Essence that exists or not exists: Schrodinger’s Cat!
If philosophers wanted to know how god acts the only way is to get into shoes of the god.
Otherwise they need confine themselves to elaboration of what god himself told.
I request you to talk about the limitations of human thinking.
That’s a terrible way to talk about Allah the Most High.
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I am sorry if you felt annoyed but the philosophical framework are for how a human mind symbolises the god function.
Its just my understanding.
They are not talking about Allah (SWT). Allah has clearly explained his attributes in surah number 112 Al ikhlas. Allah is the only true god.
Please respond on Jordan Peterson's accusations on Muslims 😂😂😂😂😂
Who is Jordan Peterson
@@mrchips7024 Lol
@@ishmammohammadadnan1525 lol why? I don't know who is Jordan Peterson.
Is jordan Peterson is boy or girl?
@@mrchips7024 Lool
@@ishmammohammadadnan1525 why lol😡?
May be he is a boy because he has son at the last of his name like PeterSON!
YOU NEED
COLIN TURNER
MUHAMMAD GHILAN
JAMIE TURNER
PONDERING SOUL
Hamza Yusuf
Mohammad Ghilan is nice
WHO INVENTED PHILOSOPHY???
[Leibniz's contingency argument for God, clarified]
Exhibit A:
Ten whole, rational numbers 0-9 and their geometric counterparts 0D-9D.
0 and it's geometric counterpart 0D are:
1) whole
2) rational
3) not-natural (not-physical)
4) necessary
1-9 and their geometric counterparts 1D-9D are:
1) whole
2) rational
3) natural (physical)
4) contingent
Newton says since 0 and 0D are
"not-natural" ✅
then they are also
"not-necessary" 🚫.
Newton also says since 1-9 and 1D-9D are "natural" ✅
then they are also
"necessary" 🚫.
This is called "conflating" and is repeated throughout Newton's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic.
Leibniz does not make these fundamental mistakes.
Leibniz's "Monadology" 📚 is 0 and it's geometric counterpart 0D.
The Egyptians, Syrians, Greeks, Mathematicians, Plato (the Good on 0D-3D pyramid) and don't forget Jesus and John all speak of the Monad (number 0, geometry 0D, quantum SNF).
0D Monad (SNF)
1D Line (WNF)
2D Plane (EMF)
3D Volume (GF)
We should all be learning Leibniz's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic.
Fibonacci sequence starts with 0 for a reason. The Fibonacci triangle is 0, 1, 2 (Not 1, 2, 3).
Newton's 1D-4D "natural ✅ =
necessary 🚫" universe is a contradiction.
Natural does not mean necessary. Similar, yet different.
Not-natural just means no spatial extension; zero size; exact location only. Necessary.
Newtonian nonsense will never provide a Theory of Everything.
Leibniz's Law of Sufficient Reason should be required reading 📚...
His comments on Ibn Sina are not correct. Ghazali was born a little after Ibn Sina and that's why he wrote against what Sina and Farabi wrote. Not becuase Sina was such a giant. Infact Ghazali called him a Kafir. How does that show any respect for Sina?
This is all still the continuation of how Muslims just copied stuff from Aristotle or discussed what he wrote. All trying to show how Muslims didn't have a mind of their own.
Really disappointing.
As subki called ibn Taymiyyah a kafir. Just because Shaykh x calls Shaykh y something doesnt mean shaykh y is that.
@@Hamza00011 I never said. All I said Sina isnt a giant. Ghazali didn't write against him because he was a giant. Ghazali didn't consider him such.
@@DWAGON1818 al-Ghazali also claimed that whoever curses Yazid is himself accursed and that it is encouraged to say "rahmatullahi alayhi" after mentioning Yazid. The same Yazid who ordered the massacre of the Prophet's family and killed the men of Medina (including veteran Sahaba such as the Ansar and Muhajirun who fought at Badr) and r*ped the women.
@@diyar3219 yazid did not rape anyone. And go read why Ghhazali wrote that. He wasn't promoting murder. He was being cautious of what actually happened. However if he did say what he said in the tone you mentioned then he is wrong. We don't accept everything from anyone other the Prophet(pbuh)
@@DWAGON1818 Yazid didn't personally rape but his army did since he ordered the siege and massacre.
Islam and philosophy? Or is it the philosophy of Islam? Does the most perfect and absolute of religions need philosophy? Is it possible to do philosophy under the canons and restrictions of Islam?
Has been done. Came into the West thanks to our ancestors as well.
What do you mean by philosophy? As we define it as the construction of arguments based on reason that’s not necessarily derived from the scriptures in other words natural theology.
Quran always encourage us to think ponder and reflect. Scripture also has element of interpretation; which could differ from person to person. As long as our ideas don't directly conflict with it, i don't see any problem with it.
Depends on how you view Islam and its restrictions.
@@lambert801 Said Euthyphron in Plato's dialogue: " Does God approve of the Good, or is Good whar God decides shall be?" One deciding and interpreting Islam tells me more about that person, and not about Islam.
When Paul says "Why would a Muslim think this way??" This is essentialism. Muslims can't be essentialized, and therefore one can't ask "How could a Muslim think that". Many Muslims don't see the Qur'an as containing truths wholesale, but containing ideas.
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There is no philosophy in Islam, not in Islam but in all religions, because the truth is known and there is no room to doubt in it or raise a question.
You'd be surprised.