Dwarf Fortress VS Rimworld: A Tale of Two Simulators
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2023
- In this video, we play Dwarf Fortress and Rimworld for 4 days and rate each's settlement to determine the winner. We talk about the context, gameplay, and share my thoughts along the way. Thanks for watching!
Soundtrack is sourced from various artists at Pixabay.com
Dwarf Fortress on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/97...
Rimworld on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/29...
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Easter long video??!!?!??
The main difference between the 2 is that Rimworld is a game and dwarf fortress is a simulation.
In Rimworld the game will throw you raids and Curveballs because you are doing so well,
In Dwarf fortress you are in a world that runs constantly with or without you, you could get stepped on by a giant the moment you embark just because that giant happened to be there.
Rimworld have weapons...
@@Ramon_BLUE_OYSTER_CULT both have weapons??
@@Ramon_BLUE_OYSTER_CULT what do you mean by that
You know the experience change a lot from a narator to the other right ? You can have the same experince with a more randomizer event narator
@simiernoe2440 yea you can get the same experience if you put random randy but thats not my point.
Rimworld is a game and anything that happens happens for the player.
Dwarf fortress is a simulation that does not care about the player, it creates a world with people and monsters and allows them to make their own decisions.
I recently embarked and had giant birds kill all my dwarfs 1 by 1, those birds werent there to kill me, they were simulated there before i chose my location.
I love both games, but I feel like there are different focuses. Rimworld is the story of the settlers, where Dwarf Fortress is the story of the settlement.
Very true. I think my favorite rimworld games are ones with only 1 or 2 settlers that I focus on, but Dwarf fortress I just play it like Sim City
I don't know if I agree with this since Dwarf Fortress has MUCH more information on individual dwarfs than you get for Rimworld colonists. You can learn about dwarfs before or after your fort ends, each dwarf gets multiple page descriptions of their personalities, likes and dislikes. I think it's because most people don't bother reading about the dwarfs in their fort and the fact you can have hundreds of them that make it feel like Rimworld has more emphasis on the characters, even though it only feels like that because you usually have much less of them.
Excellent point
@@Xenomorphasizedrandomly generated flavor text does not mean the characters are really more fleshed out. it might as well not exist.
@@Katini_ Normally I'd be inclined to agree with you but "flavour text" is SEVERELY underselling DF's personality simulator. That entire wall of text describing the character literally evolves and changes depending on the experiences of the dwarf. It specifically tells you if a character has been traumatized or evolved and what changed in their personality because of it. The changes to their personality also affects their values, opinions and what kind of work/jobs causes them fullfillment or makes them depressed. A dwarf that see's too much battle may end up loving it or hating violence altogether. A dwarf that's been rejected can become depressed or even MORE flirtartious than they were before.
I think it really comes down to taste. Do you prefer reading about the character development and lives of your pawns(Dwarf Fortress)? Or do you prefer to give them as many powers and upgrades as possible to watch them slowly become superhuman(Rimworld)? The problem with DF is you can have so many characters that it can be easy to lose track of them all and stop caring. But with the amount of colonists I play with in Rimworld, I have the exact same problem.
With Dwarf Fortress, the madness really kicks in later as the numbers build up, the local goblins, necromancers or undead start raiding, and as you dig deeper and start discovering the horrors of the deep. Plus it kind of gets complicated as the numbers build up and you have a couple of hundred dwarves, and the nobility, and so on. Ultimately almost all fortresses end in ruin. But its usually in the most comical way.
dwarf fortress day 4: yay, new yak babies
rimworld day 3: we are screwed
DF is simulator, RW is generator
in DF, everything is simulated, every item crafted by someone, every character born somewhere and the reason you see them on the screen is because they went there for reasons they find important. If you visit your enemies and burn down their fields on fall, they might not make it through winter and you will win the war
RW, everything is generated in a spur of the algorithm because game follows certain equations on making player engaged. So visiting enemy cities and trashing them mean nothing because game will generate enemy party at your doorstep
in the end, RW is rather simple game under the hood, whereas DF is so complex that after 20 years of development the game is still just halfway there
I will always stand by Rimworld being a game that exists for the player to experience whereas Dwarf Fortress is a simulator that the player happens to be in.
Both easily in my top 10 games of all time tho.
14:20 "It's a learning game, and failure is part of the process." Yep, there's a reason why one of mottos for DF over the years has become 'Losing is Fun'. Because when you lose, you take everything you learned into a fresh experience and it builds on itself.
Both are great games. Currently I like Dwarf fortress more in the promise that if I get good, I can someday have a fort of 200 dwarfs.
I just hit 200 dwarves in my personal game, you got this, it just takes some time
something will happen.. things escalade quickly.
This was like a movie. You did a very very good job
I appreciate it! By far the most challenging video Ive made and Im glad it shows
Top notch Easter video and nice challenge!
What an amazing video, keep up the good work!
Both games are in my top 10 all time. The difference is Rimworld makes you attached to your pawns, and in DF you expend the dorfs nonstop lol. I love both in their own way.
Great video man needs more views
you pitted to games against each other but based how good a game is with your skill at playing that game.
Song of Syx every day. Best game I've ever played
Nah man, it lacks so much
I like the ability to control pawns actions directly it helps to avoid annoyances like my floors being covered in gypsum because my dwarves still haven't hauled it after 6 years, but depth of content wise DF wins out every time. Every time I consider going back to Rimworld now all I can think is that I'm going to run out of space and map materials in the first few years and then once I get bored of trading for steel I'll go play something else. It also doesn't help that with Rimworld to have a good sense of depth and progression you need a ton of mods and with mods comes suffering when you discover that one out of your 200+ mods has caused uranium to disappear from the game entirely and now you have to restart.
You have to set the work priorities manually in Rimworld if you want efficiency
Dwarf Fortress is a better game than vanilla Rimworld due to the barebones nature of the base game. This flips on its head with mods where Rimworld becomes a blank canvas to create the experience you want to play.
Aquifers are not so bad, try them out if you keep playing ! Great video Chris!
Any tips? I’ve attempted to set up pump systems but it resulted in massive flooding
@@ChrisCasts for heavy aquifers you can do the double slit method or the aquifer plug depending on how many levels it is, light aquifers are so slow that they are super easy so long as you pay attention to each level. (on a side note the wood stock pile in this fortress has a giant hole to the world) Happy Gaming
The common way is to replace or smooth the tiles that are producing water, keep it tight; and when you think you are through go one more level as they will make water from the ceiling dripping to the lower z
@@TwistedLogicGaming I’m going to try this out, I’ve been wanting to set up an water themed settlement
@@ChrisCasts feel free to ask me if you need help getting something sorted out. I have been playing for a very long time. Cheers !
You had 69 followers so I almost felt guilty to become the 70th. If I could give one criticism, I'd say speed everything up just a touch. Like I literally changed the playback speed to 1.05x and it was a bit easier to listen to. Just my own two cents.
I appreciate the feedback! That's an easy fix that I can totally implement for the next vid
Also thanks for subscribing, it's always appreciated
Doing 5 categories and giving a scale of 0-5 scoring points or ranking then averaging those categories for an overall score is strictly not very good or even statistics. So the idea that the score is informative or conclusive is almost worthless - aggregate scores by many users across many games give a little more information but even then still cannot provide much useful information...
With that said it's an interesting video on two very enjoyable games. The recent graphical version of DF, I'd argue the graphics might be easier to play with and the UI certainly is easier to use, but in my opinion it detracts from the game because the graphics take away from use of imagination to fill-feel-in (!) the gaps... ie a tile-set pack is a better option. Then it's more apparent the depth the simulation has.
I think it's best high-level to describe:
* DF = Simulation: Seed sets off a tree-cascade of cause and effect which sets off ripple effects that combine and clash and interact and then create new emergent outcomes ie simulating a world even before the player starts who then interacts with this system.
* Rimworld = Linear with branching events that lead you off to start a new tree going forwards due to a fork-event that spawned and then dealing with consequences of these eg death of members or their input needs. The game has a tracking system to dictate these depending on what you the player are doing to create the semblance of random events. Obviously UI and graphics are more fine-tuned along with the game more gamified base-builder.
For a lot of people Rimworld will be more instantly enjoyable but long-term DF goes so deep that it rewards more and more the longer you play it.
If you are measuring the settlements: You probably want to measure the enjoyment of how the settlements run, the problems to solve, the flexibility of options available in whatever type of vision you have etc. It's more informative to how the games actually play than a score-card imho.
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I like how Dwarf Fortress doesn't care about the player and just simulates the world regardless, but the interface is so incredibly bad compared to Rimworld. Even people who have been playing for years still have to look up how to do the most basic of things because the interface is so jacked with basic functionality buried in nested menus....
It's honestly hard to play Dwarf Fortress after playing Rimworld, even with the improved simulation elements.
Rates the games based on the settlements in the playthrough, but you built those settlements. You could have built them any way. Every playthrough would have a different review😅😅😅
Df is better in every aspect.
"Things go wrong on day two in rimworld"
*screws things up personally but makes it sound like it's the fault of the game*
Seriously, what kind of review system is this? I am currently playing a game of tribal rimworld, and you got unlucky with the mad creature and raid. Not every playthrough has the same early days, but your entire review is based on 1.5 hours (also, why include the ideology if your playthrough won't? Maybe you should have turned dlc of for this)
And you actually score the quality of the game based on having a bad experience. This review.. wow.. I have seen bad reviews but I hope no one ever uses yours to decide if Rimworld is worth buying, because it is a thousand times more than what you just showed.
Umm... hunger and thirst are all you have to worry about in DF. Everything else is just like rain. Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't.
What you can get done in 2 hours in DF depends on your skill. I can start with a "perfect" start that puts me hours ahead of what you can probably do. Instead of axes and things I bring the ore to make them out of. There's nothing like that in Rimworld.
Also this was painful to watch.
Thank you for the feedback!
Rimworld does have a way to get optimal items at spawn, the scenario editor. I also think that Dwarf Fortress’ greatest challenges at least in my game tend to be enemy attacks like titans and were beasts.
Jesus :D I understand profile picture. Amazing u can play so much better, that was painful to read.
Bit harsh, I really like seeing new player gameplay, yes, sometimes I wanna scream don't do that but other time I can find a cool and fresh idea.
It s not optimal but there is not such thing as a perfect fortress.