The story of the D&H Sharks (Slideshow with authentic sound)

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  • @Sugarmountaincondo
    @Sugarmountaincondo Před 4 lety +11

    Shark nose diesel's had an iconic brute look about them and IMHO sexy, but the D&H livery paint scheme was just down right gorgeous on them as well as on all their other engines, PA's, Alco's, etc..

  • @thomaslampkins8799
    @thomaslampkins8799 Před 3 lety +12

    I got to run these two locos many times, quite different from other engines, over sized wheels too.

  • @Toledo1940
    @Toledo1940 Před 6 lety +5

    At 10:25 Marv Davis is shown on the engineer's seat. He started with the D&H in 1941 as a locomotive fireman, and was the Chief Road Foreman of Engines for the entire railroad when he retired in 1976. I knew him after retirement, when he moved to Florida.

  • @mta224
    @mta224 Před 3 lety +3

    This is really well done;great pics and that deep rumble of the prime movers.Must have been quite a show around the D and H during the mid 70's;would have been awesome to be trackside...

    • @strobx1
      @strobx1 Před 2 lety

      They served on the Michigan Northern before they were sold to the E&LS

  • @debbiemilka2251
    @debbiemilka2251 Před 2 lety +1

    Jay, This is the best RR slide show I have ever seen. Adding the sound of the actual prime mover makes every slide come alive. The cab shots are even better. I could swear that the sleepers were advancing in one view and retreating in another as it felt like they were disappearing at the edge of the wind screen. because of this I subscribed and gave it a "like". Bravo !

  • @douglasdownie2587
    @douglasdownie2587 Před 7 lety +3

    Many thanks for sharing! The sound clips are truly superb!

  • @randywike1463
    @randywike1463 Před 4 lety +3

    Thanks for your efforts, never thought I would get to hear what they sounded like and the slides are great. They are #2, my favorites are the PA's.....

  • @KevinCNYC1991
    @KevinCNYC1991 Před 7 lety +5

    Thank you for sharing this fantastic slideshow of these rare diesels in action and hearing what they sounded like is perfect. Its unfortunate only two Baldwin Sharks exist. No six axle versions (along with the Babyfaced types) survived either. I'm just glad these two still exist, even if they are locked away.

    • @150ERS
      @150ERS Před 7 lety +1

      Caesar St. John where are they lock up?

    • @TheShive
      @TheShive Před 7 lety +2

      They are in Wells, Michigan, locked away in a shop. Thieves broke into the shop and stole the original builders plates and other things. Owner is so pissed he locked them away, signage on the property says railfans are not welcome on the property. Ruined it for us good railfans. 1216 is stilloperable, 1205 had a crankcase breach and is dead.

    • @wisconsinandnorthwesternra8381
      @wisconsinandnorthwesternra8381 Před 5 lety +1

      TheShive 1216 has fried traction motors

    • @DaimosZ
      @DaimosZ Před 5 lety +1

      TheShive so basically we will never see either of them again

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 Před 2 lety

      @@DaimosZ apparently just this year they're being donated to a museum, one guy caught video of them seeing daylight for the first time

  • @kittymuffins6484
    @kittymuffins6484 Před 4 lety +4

    Beauties. Their rollout back in the day must have been quite something.

  • @105C09
    @105C09 Před 4 lety +2

    A great piece of history and a very unique and beloved engine.

  • @tutkodon2240
    @tutkodon2240 Před 2 lety

    From 2/62 to 1/63 I was a New York Central diesel inspector assigned to Sharonville Yard. The Baldwin sharks were frequently operating out of there north to Columbus, Ohio and west to Indianapolis, IN. I rode them many times and they had great pilling power. Their control system was different (air throttle) and so they could not operate in consist with either EMD or ALCO power. There was a pretty stiff grade going north out of Sharon Yard and the Baldwin's really did a fine job starting a heavy train on the hill.

  • @captdeano5715
    @captdeano5715 Před 4 lety +2

    Well done video Sir. The ALCO PA's and those BALDWIN SHARKS are my favorite Locomotives. Nice presentation for sure..

    • @debbiemilka2251
      @debbiemilka2251 Před 2 lety

      CaptDeano, I agree. I have always liked them and then when they got the D & H livery I knew that was the best look ever. Sorry about that Santa Fe.

  • @OregonRailfan83
    @OregonRailfan83 Před 5 lety +3

    Great! Thank you for sharing. Slowly my knowledge of the D and H is coming together!

  • @jeffreymcfadden9403
    @jeffreymcfadden9403 Před 7 lety +4

    in the summer of 1978, i was on the mich. northern(at grand rapids?)where they stored these 2.
    1 was runable, the other had its prime mover pulled out laying on pallets covered with tarps. they looked good.
    the story goes, 1 of them hit snow covered crossing, snow shorted out/burned up the traction motor.
    i was able to get inside both of these engines,,,with permission.

  • @joestrainworldvideos3977

    Great video with a lot of information. Joe

  • @richardgordon8110
    @richardgordon8110 Před 6 lety +7

    Baldwin diesels were handsome.

  • @PRR5406
    @PRR5406 Před 4 lety +2

    I'm delighted the D&H saved these locomotives and that they've made it further into preservation. D&H was an all ALCO road at the time which made the four PA's a fairly logical, if superfluous choice. Why the Sharks? They required a whole other set of parts and had to be expensive to maintain. What a shame D&H didn't grad a few Trainmasters and C-Liners!

  • @stanleydomalewski8497

    Great Video !

  • @bobozo389
    @bobozo389 Před 7 lety +9

    Those engines wound up here in Michigan in 1976 and were used and abused by the Michigan Northern Railway for a short time. There is a story in Trains magazine about them having trouble trying to assist a train up Northern Michigan's, Elmira Hill and something about burning up the traction motors on one unit. My cousin has that issue if you are interested in the date, I would have to get ahold of him. Then ended up in storage, after being purchased by the Escanaba and Lake Superior in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and never ran again as far as I know. Search Google for The Baldwin Sharks In northern Michigan and you will find more info. Nice collection of photos you have there!

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 7 lety +5

      Thank you for the comment. I actually wrote an extensive article on the sharks in TRP Magazine.. Maybe it is the same one. I also created the models used to select the paint scheme for the sharks but that is for another video..

    • @johnchandrav.1823
      @johnchandrav.1823 Před 4 lety +1

      I love the sound of the Prime-mover in these units.
      Are there any sound modules by either TCS or ESU?
      For fitting into an HO Locomotive.

    • @officialpennsyjoe
      @officialpennsyjoe Před 4 lety +1

      @@johnchandrav.1823 I know that BLI Paragon 2 Sharks have the right sound, like in the video.

    • @glasshalfempty887
      @glasshalfempty887 Před 3 lety +1

      I read recently that the Escanaba and Lake Superior briefly ran 1216 the year they arrived. They were then stored outside at the E&LS shops at Wells, MI until thieves stole the builder's plates. E&LS refuses all inquiries about their status. There's even a rumor that they were both moved to an undisclosed location to protect them from possible harm. Owner claims he will donate both, along with a spare prime mover, to a museum upon his passing. BTW, 1216's traction motor is reported to have shorted out while on plow duty backing through deep snow at the wye at Walton Junction, north of Cadillac, MI.

  • @railroadingrambler218
    @railroadingrambler218 Před 5 lety

    Fantastic!

  • @officialpennsyjoe
    @officialpennsyjoe Před 4 lety +2

    While they do look handsome, they also fit perfectly for that industrial image too. The sound these diesels made are very industrial too.

  • @thomasrengel5577
    @thomasrengel5577 Před 6 lety +5

    OK. On Sunday, July 31, 1977, the two Sharks were still in D&H service because on that day three friends and I chased them out of Whitehall on a freight to Rutland VT--they were moving VERY slowly--until the photons vanished finally and we gave up. The next day Sterzing got the ax--he was fired at Albany--and the rumor was they never ran in freight service again. OK, D&H people--for years I've been trying to determine if this turn from Whitehall to Rutland and back July 31-August 1, 1977 was indeed their Last Run which would mean we got the last shots of Sharks running in service on the D&H. The Sharks were sold months later to that railroad in Michigan (the ownership had railfan connections I read somewhere which is why that line was willing to acquire two "problem children" which was why Stertzing got them for the D&H in the first place. Word was they looked great on the outside but the insides were a mess and the crews hated them as poor performers.).

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 6 lety +3

      Thanks for the info.. I would guess that they never ran in service on the d&H again.. I played a role in the paint scheme selection and was in Colonie when they painted them D&H. (See some of my other posts on You Tube RE: the sharks) At that time they were OK except that the 1205 had a leaky crankcase due to a crack that was constantly needing attention.It was tough to keep a weld together on a cast steel crankcase that was always rocking and shaking.. I rode them in pusher service and they acquitted themselves quite admirably. .. They were just really old units that needed a lot of attention but they did perform work for the railroad..

    • @navarch1182
      @navarch1182 Před 5 lety

      There is a story out there, advanced by a former D&H mechanical employee - that the Sharks were purchased in error - that when they looked for another set of cab units for renewed and upgraded ADIRONDACK , they sent someone to go look at the Sharks and the fellow who did this assumed that the large vertical air tanks inside the rear of the car body were part of a steam generator.....and it was not until after the sale that they realized these were not steam generator pressure vessels - but air tanks....nore were these passenger units. That in turn led to trading off D&H freight RS3's to get the two boiler-equipped RS3's from the B&M that filled the bill for the Adirondack power need. I know the D&H fellow quite well and do not think he would be passing an untrue story.
      Bob

    • @henryszubielski8601
      @henryszubielski8601 Před 2 lety

      @@navarch1182, Mr. Sterzing was looking at a pair of former Spokane, Portland and Seattle Alco FA-2's. The price proved to steep and the hunt continued. Enter the Baldwin's and you comments above.

  • @thomaskeene7327
    @thomaskeene7327 Před 4 lety

    Wow...my first job was as a fireman on the MRY...1969..i also filled in as a hostler at the engine house ...those old shark nose baldwins were not very popular with the old engineers..the ladder was a real pain to climb into them...lol...im looking at a pic of me I found in a history of the MRY hanging out the window on the 1216 as I type this ...they were some tough engines to be able to haul coal around this region ...I spent many nights moving them around for inspection and on road trips but sadly one engineer had it in for them and blew up a few that were put together in our shop by cannibalizing several bought for scrap...leaving only the 1205 and 1216 + a B unit....I left in 1973 and took many great memories with me ...those sharknose I never forgot

  • @Username-ns8qw
    @Username-ns8qw Před 2 lety

    I wish the b&o railroad preserved like two of these for their museum along with a em-1 I think that was also meant to be preserved for their museum but for some reason wasn’t

  • @davidkoehler136
    @davidkoehler136 Před 2 lety +1

    I think both units are in the UP of MI

  • @lindarusso2557
    @lindarusso2557 Před 2 lety

    Beautiful locomotive where can you see one live? Any museum have one?

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 2 lety

      No the last two in existence are in terrible shape stored somewhere in the mid west

  • @jamesmcardle9585
    @jamesmcardle9585 Před 2 lety

    Locomotive #'s 1205 and 1216 are the only remaining examples left of this type locomotive ! The rest have all been scrapped ! 1205 and 1216 have been in non-operational storage for many years at a railroad facility in Wells , Michigan ! Watch Jason Asselin's recent video about one of these locomotives being moved to another building within the compound ! Future plans for both of them are unknown ! Hopefully they will be donated to rail musuems for preservation and possible restoration !

    • @ethanlamoureux5306
      @ethanlamoureux5306 Před 2 lety

      Escanaba is not in Wisconsin! Just because the Upper Peninsula borders Wisconsin doesn’t mean we’re a part of it!

    • @jamesmcardle9585
      @jamesmcardle9585 Před 2 lety

      @@ethanlamoureux5306 I recently watched a video posted by "Jason Asselin" on CZcams ! He located the 2 remaining "Baldwin RF-16 Shark Nose Locomotives" at a railroad facility in "Wells , Michigan" ! They have both been stored indoors there since the 1980's ! He videoed one of them being moved from one part of the compound to another building within the facility ! Although "Jason" may live in "Escanaba" ! I never menioned it in my post ! So why did you bring it up ?!

    • @ethanlamoureux5306
      @ethanlamoureux5306 Před 2 lety

      @@jamesmcardle9585 Sorry, I should have said Wells, Michigan, but I automatically think of Escanaba, which is the bigger town that Wells is right next to. My point though was that these locomotives are in Michigan, not Wisconsin. Jason doesn’t live in the Escanaba area, he’s about an hour away near Iron Mountain. Regardless, these are all places in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which borders Wisconsin but is not a part of Wisconsin.

  • @joestrainworldvideos3977

    I subscribed.Joe's train world videos 😎😎😎🙂🙂🙂

  • @davrober48
    @davrober48 Před 4 lety +1

    Still exist at Wells MI indoor storage on ELS. Don't run .

  • @bobertbobert6442
    @bobertbobert6442 Před 2 lety

    How did you get the sou d track? Great!

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 2 lety +1

      I actually rode them when they were in service on the D&H and recorded audio from inside and outside the cab

  • @billporter1277
    @billporter1277 Před 6 lety +1

    any of these critters still in one peice?, I liked the carbody style, close behind the P.A.'s, shame the motors were a high maint, sore point.

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 6 lety +2

      I had a long relationship with the Sharks and the D&H (I even wrote a book about them) and as far as I know they are still locked away in Michgan with one of them in pieces..

    • @davrober48
      @davrober48 Před 4 lety

      stored inside upper Mich at Wells .ELS RR

  • @ChargerusPrime
    @ChargerusPrime Před 2 lety

    Wish theyd restore them both and get them back on the rails

  • @RailPreserver2K
    @RailPreserver2K Před 4 lety +1

    What's there status as of now ?

    • @TrainFan119
      @TrainFan119 Před 4 lety +1

      Railroad,Preserver,2000 they’re in a shed which has kept them safe except 1205’s broken traction motor and 1216’s 2 broke cylinders

    • @Outlaw01
      @Outlaw01 Před 4 lety

      TrainFan119 *1205 has the broken cylinders, 1216 is the one that has broken traction motors.*

    • @TrainFan119
      @TrainFan119 Před 4 lety +1

      Outlaw _01 sorry my bad

  • @RailPreserver2K
    @RailPreserver2K Před 3 lety +1

    Whats the current status

    • @Rev1Kev
      @Rev1Kev Před 2 lety

      Stored inside at Wells Michigan, they belong to the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad, the 1216 was recently moved to another building belonging to the E&LS

  • @shortythenut1
    @shortythenut1 Před 3 lety

    Such a sad ending for them. Drat.

  • @redbarnz
    @redbarnz Před 4 lety

    Since a lot of railroads were getting out of passenger service, maybe a set of FP7s would have fit the bill better...

    • @jaywinn481
      @jaywinn481  Před 4 lety +1

      I think the whole point was to simply get some historic and rare units for PR purposes... They are the last existing examples of this diesel model..

    • @tombarnes7196
      @tombarnes7196 Před 4 lety

      @@jaywinn481 I thought the point was to get usable units with boilers for passenger service-- then-- try to get historic units.

    • @henryszubielski8601
      @henryszubielski8601 Před 2 lety

      @@tombarnes7196, Mr. Sterzing tried to acquire a pair of S, P & S FA-2's. The cost was to high.

  • @strasburglover2001
    @strasburglover2001 Před 4 lety

    The dislikes were from real sharks

  • @robertswickard8355
    @robertswickard8355 Před 3 lety +1

    Not only did they look good ,,
    They were better slow speed luggers better than anything out there at the time ::::::
    On the PENNSY ---- crews picked the sharks over EMD F's on coal and ore trains :::::

  • @ceejay960
    @ceejay960 Před 4 lety

    Reduced to pusher service, how humiliating. I'll bet she wished those railfans hadn't been there to see it.

  • @ethanmyerrailroad1185
    @ethanmyerrailroad1185 Před 6 lety

    Sigi strasser