Shark nose diesel's had an iconic brute look about them and IMHO sexy, but the D&H livery paint scheme was just down right gorgeous on them as well as on all their other engines, PA's, Alco's, etc..
At 10:25 Marv Davis is shown on the engineer's seat. He started with the D&H in 1941 as a locomotive fireman, and was the Chief Road Foreman of Engines for the entire railroad when he retired in 1976. I knew him after retirement, when he moved to Florida.
This is really well done;great pics and that deep rumble of the prime movers.Must have been quite a show around the D and H during the mid 70's;would have been awesome to be trackside...
Jay, This is the best RR slide show I have ever seen. Adding the sound of the actual prime mover makes every slide come alive. The cab shots are even better. I could swear that the sleepers were advancing in one view and retreating in another as it felt like they were disappearing at the edge of the wind screen. because of this I subscribed and gave it a "like". Bravo !
Thanks for your efforts, never thought I would get to hear what they sounded like and the slides are great. They are #2, my favorites are the PA's.....
Thank you for sharing this fantastic slideshow of these rare diesels in action and hearing what they sounded like is perfect. Its unfortunate only two Baldwin Sharks exist. No six axle versions (along with the Babyfaced types) survived either. I'm just glad these two still exist, even if they are locked away.
They are in Wells, Michigan, locked away in a shop. Thieves broke into the shop and stole the original builders plates and other things. Owner is so pissed he locked them away, signage on the property says railfans are not welcome on the property. Ruined it for us good railfans. 1216 is stilloperable, 1205 had a crankcase breach and is dead.
From 2/62 to 1/63 I was a New York Central diesel inspector assigned to Sharonville Yard. The Baldwin sharks were frequently operating out of there north to Columbus, Ohio and west to Indianapolis, IN. I rode them many times and they had great pilling power. Their control system was different (air throttle) and so they could not operate in consist with either EMD or ALCO power. There was a pretty stiff grade going north out of Sharon Yard and the Baldwin's really did a fine job starting a heavy train on the hill.
in the summer of 1978, i was on the mich. northern(at grand rapids?)where they stored these 2. 1 was runable, the other had its prime mover pulled out laying on pallets covered with tarps. they looked good. the story goes, 1 of them hit snow covered crossing, snow shorted out/burned up the traction motor. i was able to get inside both of these engines,,,with permission.
I'm delighted the D&H saved these locomotives and that they've made it further into preservation. D&H was an all ALCO road at the time which made the four PA's a fairly logical, if superfluous choice. Why the Sharks? They required a whole other set of parts and had to be expensive to maintain. What a shame D&H didn't grad a few Trainmasters and C-Liners!
Those engines wound up here in Michigan in 1976 and were used and abused by the Michigan Northern Railway for a short time. There is a story in Trains magazine about them having trouble trying to assist a train up Northern Michigan's, Elmira Hill and something about burning up the traction motors on one unit. My cousin has that issue if you are interested in the date, I would have to get ahold of him. Then ended up in storage, after being purchased by the Escanaba and Lake Superior in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and never ran again as far as I know. Search Google for The Baldwin Sharks In northern Michigan and you will find more info. Nice collection of photos you have there!
Thank you for the comment. I actually wrote an extensive article on the sharks in TRP Magazine.. Maybe it is the same one. I also created the models used to select the paint scheme for the sharks but that is for another video..
I read recently that the Escanaba and Lake Superior briefly ran 1216 the year they arrived. They were then stored outside at the E&LS shops at Wells, MI until thieves stole the builder's plates. E&LS refuses all inquiries about their status. There's even a rumor that they were both moved to an undisclosed location to protect them from possible harm. Owner claims he will donate both, along with a spare prime mover, to a museum upon his passing. BTW, 1216's traction motor is reported to have shorted out while on plow duty backing through deep snow at the wye at Walton Junction, north of Cadillac, MI.
OK. On Sunday, July 31, 1977, the two Sharks were still in D&H service because on that day three friends and I chased them out of Whitehall on a freight to Rutland VT--they were moving VERY slowly--until the photons vanished finally and we gave up. The next day Sterzing got the ax--he was fired at Albany--and the rumor was they never ran in freight service again. OK, D&H people--for years I've been trying to determine if this turn from Whitehall to Rutland and back July 31-August 1, 1977 was indeed their Last Run which would mean we got the last shots of Sharks running in service on the D&H. The Sharks were sold months later to that railroad in Michigan (the ownership had railfan connections I read somewhere which is why that line was willing to acquire two "problem children" which was why Stertzing got them for the D&H in the first place. Word was they looked great on the outside but the insides were a mess and the crews hated them as poor performers.).
Thanks for the info.. I would guess that they never ran in service on the d&H again.. I played a role in the paint scheme selection and was in Colonie when they painted them D&H. (See some of my other posts on You Tube RE: the sharks) At that time they were OK except that the 1205 had a leaky crankcase due to a crack that was constantly needing attention.It was tough to keep a weld together on a cast steel crankcase that was always rocking and shaking.. I rode them in pusher service and they acquitted themselves quite admirably. .. They were just really old units that needed a lot of attention but they did perform work for the railroad..
There is a story out there, advanced by a former D&H mechanical employee - that the Sharks were purchased in error - that when they looked for another set of cab units for renewed and upgraded ADIRONDACK , they sent someone to go look at the Sharks and the fellow who did this assumed that the large vertical air tanks inside the rear of the car body were part of a steam generator.....and it was not until after the sale that they realized these were not steam generator pressure vessels - but air tanks....nore were these passenger units. That in turn led to trading off D&H freight RS3's to get the two boiler-equipped RS3's from the B&M that filled the bill for the Adirondack power need. I know the D&H fellow quite well and do not think he would be passing an untrue story. Bob
@@navarch1182, Mr. Sterzing was looking at a pair of former Spokane, Portland and Seattle Alco FA-2's. The price proved to steep and the hunt continued. Enter the Baldwin's and you comments above.
Wow...my first job was as a fireman on the MRY...1969..i also filled in as a hostler at the engine house ...those old shark nose baldwins were not very popular with the old engineers..the ladder was a real pain to climb into them...lol...im looking at a pic of me I found in a history of the MRY hanging out the window on the 1216 as I type this ...they were some tough engines to be able to haul coal around this region ...I spent many nights moving them around for inspection and on road trips but sadly one engineer had it in for them and blew up a few that were put together in our shop by cannibalizing several bought for scrap...leaving only the 1205 and 1216 + a B unit....I left in 1973 and took many great memories with me ...those sharknose I never forgot
I wish the b&o railroad preserved like two of these for their museum along with a em-1 I think that was also meant to be preserved for their museum but for some reason wasn’t
Locomotive #'s 1205 and 1216 are the only remaining examples left of this type locomotive ! The rest have all been scrapped ! 1205 and 1216 have been in non-operational storage for many years at a railroad facility in Wells , Michigan ! Watch Jason Asselin's recent video about one of these locomotives being moved to another building within the compound ! Future plans for both of them are unknown ! Hopefully they will be donated to rail musuems for preservation and possible restoration !
@@ethanlamoureux5306 I recently watched a video posted by "Jason Asselin" on CZcams ! He located the 2 remaining "Baldwin RF-16 Shark Nose Locomotives" at a railroad facility in "Wells , Michigan" ! They have both been stored indoors there since the 1980's ! He videoed one of them being moved from one part of the compound to another building within the facility ! Although "Jason" may live in "Escanaba" ! I never menioned it in my post ! So why did you bring it up ?!
@@jamesmcardle9585 Sorry, I should have said Wells, Michigan, but I automatically think of Escanaba, which is the bigger town that Wells is right next to. My point though was that these locomotives are in Michigan, not Wisconsin. Jason doesn’t live in the Escanaba area, he’s about an hour away near Iron Mountain. Regardless, these are all places in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which borders Wisconsin but is not a part of Wisconsin.
I had a long relationship with the Sharks and the D&H (I even wrote a book about them) and as far as I know they are still locked away in Michgan with one of them in pieces..
Stored inside at Wells Michigan, they belong to the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad, the 1216 was recently moved to another building belonging to the E&LS
Not only did they look good ,, They were better slow speed luggers better than anything out there at the time :::::: On the PENNSY ---- crews picked the sharks over EMD F's on coal and ore trains :::::
Shark nose diesel's had an iconic brute look about them and IMHO sexy, but the D&H livery paint scheme was just down right gorgeous on them as well as on all their other engines, PA's, Alco's, etc..
I got to run these two locos many times, quite different from other engines, over sized wheels too.
Thanks for your service Tom
At 10:25 Marv Davis is shown on the engineer's seat. He started with the D&H in 1941 as a locomotive fireman, and was the Chief Road Foreman of Engines for the entire railroad when he retired in 1976. I knew him after retirement, when he moved to Florida.
This is really well done;great pics and that deep rumble of the prime movers.Must have been quite a show around the D and H during the mid 70's;would have been awesome to be trackside...
They served on the Michigan Northern before they were sold to the E&LS
Jay, This is the best RR slide show I have ever seen. Adding the sound of the actual prime mover makes every slide come alive. The cab shots are even better. I could swear that the sleepers were advancing in one view and retreating in another as it felt like they were disappearing at the edge of the wind screen. because of this I subscribed and gave it a "like". Bravo !
Many thanks for sharing! The sound clips are truly superb!
Thanks for your efforts, never thought I would get to hear what they sounded like and the slides are great. They are #2, my favorites are the PA's.....
Thank you for sharing this fantastic slideshow of these rare diesels in action and hearing what they sounded like is perfect. Its unfortunate only two Baldwin Sharks exist. No six axle versions (along with the Babyfaced types) survived either. I'm just glad these two still exist, even if they are locked away.
Caesar St. John where are they lock up?
They are in Wells, Michigan, locked away in a shop. Thieves broke into the shop and stole the original builders plates and other things. Owner is so pissed he locked them away, signage on the property says railfans are not welcome on the property. Ruined it for us good railfans. 1216 is stilloperable, 1205 had a crankcase breach and is dead.
TheShive 1216 has fried traction motors
TheShive so basically we will never see either of them again
@@DaimosZ apparently just this year they're being donated to a museum, one guy caught video of them seeing daylight for the first time
Beauties. Their rollout back in the day must have been quite something.
A great piece of history and a very unique and beloved engine.
From 2/62 to 1/63 I was a New York Central diesel inspector assigned to Sharonville Yard. The Baldwin sharks were frequently operating out of there north to Columbus, Ohio and west to Indianapolis, IN. I rode them many times and they had great pilling power. Their control system was different (air throttle) and so they could not operate in consist with either EMD or ALCO power. There was a pretty stiff grade going north out of Sharon Yard and the Baldwin's really did a fine job starting a heavy train on the hill.
Well done video Sir. The ALCO PA's and those BALDWIN SHARKS are my favorite Locomotives. Nice presentation for sure..
CaptDeano, I agree. I have always liked them and then when they got the D & H livery I knew that was the best look ever. Sorry about that Santa Fe.
Great! Thank you for sharing. Slowly my knowledge of the D and H is coming together!
in the summer of 1978, i was on the mich. northern(at grand rapids?)where they stored these 2.
1 was runable, the other had its prime mover pulled out laying on pallets covered with tarps. they looked good.
the story goes, 1 of them hit snow covered crossing, snow shorted out/burned up the traction motor.
i was able to get inside both of these engines,,,with permission.
Great video with a lot of information. Joe
Baldwin diesels were handsome.
I'm delighted the D&H saved these locomotives and that they've made it further into preservation. D&H was an all ALCO road at the time which made the four PA's a fairly logical, if superfluous choice. Why the Sharks? They required a whole other set of parts and had to be expensive to maintain. What a shame D&H didn't grad a few Trainmasters and C-Liners!
Great Video !
Those engines wound up here in Michigan in 1976 and were used and abused by the Michigan Northern Railway for a short time. There is a story in Trains magazine about them having trouble trying to assist a train up Northern Michigan's, Elmira Hill and something about burning up the traction motors on one unit. My cousin has that issue if you are interested in the date, I would have to get ahold of him. Then ended up in storage, after being purchased by the Escanaba and Lake Superior in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and never ran again as far as I know. Search Google for The Baldwin Sharks In northern Michigan and you will find more info. Nice collection of photos you have there!
Thank you for the comment. I actually wrote an extensive article on the sharks in TRP Magazine.. Maybe it is the same one. I also created the models used to select the paint scheme for the sharks but that is for another video..
I love the sound of the Prime-mover in these units.
Are there any sound modules by either TCS or ESU?
For fitting into an HO Locomotive.
@@johnchandrav.1823 I know that BLI Paragon 2 Sharks have the right sound, like in the video.
I read recently that the Escanaba and Lake Superior briefly ran 1216 the year they arrived. They were then stored outside at the E&LS shops at Wells, MI until thieves stole the builder's plates. E&LS refuses all inquiries about their status. There's even a rumor that they were both moved to an undisclosed location to protect them from possible harm. Owner claims he will donate both, along with a spare prime mover, to a museum upon his passing. BTW, 1216's traction motor is reported to have shorted out while on plow duty backing through deep snow at the wye at Walton Junction, north of Cadillac, MI.
Fantastic!
While they do look handsome, they also fit perfectly for that industrial image too. The sound these diesels made are very industrial too.
OK. On Sunday, July 31, 1977, the two Sharks were still in D&H service because on that day three friends and I chased them out of Whitehall on a freight to Rutland VT--they were moving VERY slowly--until the photons vanished finally and we gave up. The next day Sterzing got the ax--he was fired at Albany--and the rumor was they never ran in freight service again. OK, D&H people--for years I've been trying to determine if this turn from Whitehall to Rutland and back July 31-August 1, 1977 was indeed their Last Run which would mean we got the last shots of Sharks running in service on the D&H. The Sharks were sold months later to that railroad in Michigan (the ownership had railfan connections I read somewhere which is why that line was willing to acquire two "problem children" which was why Stertzing got them for the D&H in the first place. Word was they looked great on the outside but the insides were a mess and the crews hated them as poor performers.).
Thanks for the info.. I would guess that they never ran in service on the d&H again.. I played a role in the paint scheme selection and was in Colonie when they painted them D&H. (See some of my other posts on You Tube RE: the sharks) At that time they were OK except that the 1205 had a leaky crankcase due to a crack that was constantly needing attention.It was tough to keep a weld together on a cast steel crankcase that was always rocking and shaking.. I rode them in pusher service and they acquitted themselves quite admirably. .. They were just really old units that needed a lot of attention but they did perform work for the railroad..
There is a story out there, advanced by a former D&H mechanical employee - that the Sharks were purchased in error - that when they looked for another set of cab units for renewed and upgraded ADIRONDACK , they sent someone to go look at the Sharks and the fellow who did this assumed that the large vertical air tanks inside the rear of the car body were part of a steam generator.....and it was not until after the sale that they realized these were not steam generator pressure vessels - but air tanks....nore were these passenger units. That in turn led to trading off D&H freight RS3's to get the two boiler-equipped RS3's from the B&M that filled the bill for the Adirondack power need. I know the D&H fellow quite well and do not think he would be passing an untrue story.
Bob
@@navarch1182, Mr. Sterzing was looking at a pair of former Spokane, Portland and Seattle Alco FA-2's. The price proved to steep and the hunt continued. Enter the Baldwin's and you comments above.
Wow...my first job was as a fireman on the MRY...1969..i also filled in as a hostler at the engine house ...those old shark nose baldwins were not very popular with the old engineers..the ladder was a real pain to climb into them...lol...im looking at a pic of me I found in a history of the MRY hanging out the window on the 1216 as I type this ...they were some tough engines to be able to haul coal around this region ...I spent many nights moving them around for inspection and on road trips but sadly one engineer had it in for them and blew up a few that were put together in our shop by cannibalizing several bought for scrap...leaving only the 1205 and 1216 + a B unit....I left in 1973 and took many great memories with me ...those sharknose I never forgot
Thanks, I could read stuff like that all day!
I wish the b&o railroad preserved like two of these for their museum along with a em-1 I think that was also meant to be preserved for their museum but for some reason wasn’t
I think both units are in the UP of MI
Beautiful locomotive where can you see one live? Any museum have one?
No the last two in existence are in terrible shape stored somewhere in the mid west
Locomotive #'s 1205 and 1216 are the only remaining examples left of this type locomotive ! The rest have all been scrapped ! 1205 and 1216 have been in non-operational storage for many years at a railroad facility in Wells , Michigan ! Watch Jason Asselin's recent video about one of these locomotives being moved to another building within the compound ! Future plans for both of them are unknown ! Hopefully they will be donated to rail musuems for preservation and possible restoration !
Escanaba is not in Wisconsin! Just because the Upper Peninsula borders Wisconsin doesn’t mean we’re a part of it!
@@ethanlamoureux5306 I recently watched a video posted by "Jason Asselin" on CZcams ! He located the 2 remaining "Baldwin RF-16 Shark Nose Locomotives" at a railroad facility in "Wells , Michigan" ! They have both been stored indoors there since the 1980's ! He videoed one of them being moved from one part of the compound to another building within the facility ! Although "Jason" may live in "Escanaba" ! I never menioned it in my post ! So why did you bring it up ?!
@@jamesmcardle9585 Sorry, I should have said Wells, Michigan, but I automatically think of Escanaba, which is the bigger town that Wells is right next to. My point though was that these locomotives are in Michigan, not Wisconsin. Jason doesn’t live in the Escanaba area, he’s about an hour away near Iron Mountain. Regardless, these are all places in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which borders Wisconsin but is not a part of Wisconsin.
I subscribed.Joe's train world videos 😎😎😎🙂🙂🙂
Still exist at Wells MI indoor storage on ELS. Don't run .
How did you get the sou d track? Great!
I actually rode them when they were in service on the D&H and recorded audio from inside and outside the cab
any of these critters still in one peice?, I liked the carbody style, close behind the P.A.'s, shame the motors were a high maint, sore point.
I had a long relationship with the Sharks and the D&H (I even wrote a book about them) and as far as I know they are still locked away in Michgan with one of them in pieces..
stored inside upper Mich at Wells .ELS RR
Wish theyd restore them both and get them back on the rails
What's there status as of now ?
Railroad,Preserver,2000 they’re in a shed which has kept them safe except 1205’s broken traction motor and 1216’s 2 broke cylinders
TrainFan119 *1205 has the broken cylinders, 1216 is the one that has broken traction motors.*
Outlaw _01 sorry my bad
Whats the current status
Stored inside at Wells Michigan, they belong to the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad, the 1216 was recently moved to another building belonging to the E&LS
Such a sad ending for them. Drat.
Since a lot of railroads were getting out of passenger service, maybe a set of FP7s would have fit the bill better...
I think the whole point was to simply get some historic and rare units for PR purposes... They are the last existing examples of this diesel model..
@@jaywinn481 I thought the point was to get usable units with boilers for passenger service-- then-- try to get historic units.
@@tombarnes7196, Mr. Sterzing tried to acquire a pair of S, P & S FA-2's. The cost was to high.
The dislikes were from real sharks
Not only did they look good ,,
They were better slow speed luggers better than anything out there at the time ::::::
On the PENNSY ---- crews picked the sharks over EMD F's on coal and ore trains :::::
Reduced to pusher service, how humiliating. I'll bet she wished those railfans hadn't been there to see it.
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