Engines of North America: The Baldwin RF-16
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- A video essay discussing the Baldwin diesel work horse, The RF-16. All information and pictures have their sources linked directly below.
Background music: Springtime by Jeff Babko
Works Cited
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“Baldwin Locomotive "Sharknose" Cabs ROSTER.” www.the diesel shop.us, The Diesel Shop, 30 October 2020, www.thediesels.... Accessed 25 September 2021.
“Baldwin RF-16.” locomotive.fandom.com, Locomotive Fandom Wiki, locomotive.fan.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
“Baldwin "RF16" Locomotives.” www.american-rails.com, American Rails, www.american-r.... Accessed 25 September 2021.
Byerly, Fred. “Pennsylvania RF16 #2012.” www.american-rails.com, American Rails, www.american-r.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
Cupper, Dan. “Monongahela Railway, The Biggest Little Coal Carrier.” www.american-rails.com, American Rails, 21 September 2021, www.american-r.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
“Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad Company.” www.elsrr.com, Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad, www.elsrr.com/. Accessed 29 September 2021.
Everhart, Gary. “NYC 3820 - New York Central "Sharknose."” www.rrpicturearchives.net, RR Pictures Archives, 1 June 1955, www.rrpicturear.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
“Horn for RF-16 Sharks.” www.trainsim.com, The Train Sim, 7 June 2010, www.trainsim.c.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
Komanecky, John. “Baldwin RF16 ROSTER.” www.the diesel shop.us, The Diesel Shop, 9 December 2006, www.thediesels.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
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Patterson, Steve. “PRR RF-16.” www.railpictures.net, Rail Pictures, 2 November 1957, www.railpictur.... Accessed 26 September 2021.
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Is their an engine you’d like to see? Tell me via this comment and I keep it under consideration. Please follow these rules: one engine per person per video. If you say an engine more than once, it’ll be rendered null and void. If you mention an engine I’ve already discussed, it’ll be rendered null and void. Good luck and may the best man win.
@LegoMan66 a lotta train to process. Sounds cool and thanks for the request
Csxt 5203
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Eventually I will cover the model that 5203 was part of. Most likely I will not be covering a specific engine in these video essays unless I say otherwise.
How about doing a video on the Alco C415 switcher? Always loved the looks of those units even though they were not very successful
I saw a video on 12/9 that was shot in Escanaba. It showed one of the Locomotives being moved. It was in rough shape, but was definitely a Sharknose! Very exciting!
I saw that, too! I'm gratified that at least a couple survived. Hope to see them moving under their own power someday!
Yep they are getting restored!
Aside from the classic and excellent nose on these engines, I like the appearance of the trucks with the heavy steel, and the venting at the upper sides of the car body. All of these design elements work together in a visual harmony. Hopefully the last remaining units will get a restoration.
Yeah. From back when aesthetics actually played a part in the design! Modern stuff just looks so bleah.
RF-12 #1216 was spotted in Escanaba, Michigan yesterday. There is a CZcams Video.
czcams.com/video/dsqYL3Gxe34/video.html
Just watched a video last week showing one of the E&LS RF-16 being moved to Wells, MI in the UP.
Somewhere in rural Pa. there sits an RF16 B unit being used as a tool storage shed.
Or at least it was there years ago.
Define rural Pennsylvania.... I'm in north west PA... and I've got 3 weeks of vacation... lol
Im going to be honest that the RF 16 could never be mistaken for anything else. There are no other sharknoses
Will you kindly consider doing a review of The Baldwin DR-12-8-1500/2? (known informally as the Centipede). Although being a very unique and interesting locomotive. Surprisingly there is not much information, interest or appreciation for this very distinctive and legendary locomotive. Please do consider my request when you can find time and thank you. By the way I love the channel so keep up the great work. Oh one more thing. Just wondering if you've ever thought of making your videos just a little bit longer? Maybe 7 minutes or so. I think it would offer a chance to go a little more in depth with detail and make your audience a bit more captivated.
I have been considering covering that engine because I always thought it looked cool.
Also I will most likely keep Engines of North America 2-5 minutes, however I do have plans to make longer train videos. I’ll let you ponder and you’ll know next year.
Jason Asselin posted a video a couple of hours ago about one of the heritage units being moved, check it out! :D He also livestreamed one part of it.
Jason Asselin posted a video on the second that they moved one of them to the B&O museum
1205 and 1216 (ex NYC, ex Monongahela, ex Delaware & Hudson) wound up on the Michigan Northern Railway in 1978. Mechanical issues took one out of service. They were purchased by a collector and moved to the Escanaba & Lake Superior RR where they were stored inside for years. Vandals stole the builder's plates and the units were moved inside. The E&LS became very railfan unfriendly after that incident and who could blame them?
Most distasteful that sounds. A shame to such a unique locomotive.
The sharks sure were unique looking too bad they were so unreliable. The sharks and the centipedes probably sealed the fate of Baldwin in the diesel industry
Convert them to electric and built a B unit to serve as a battery pack, nothing’s impossible fellows…..
@@mshum538 blasphemer! Not everything needs to be batteries or electric.
I always thought as a kid that they were mishandled EMD F series that were badly put together. Then I saw them being called Sharknose in model railroader. It took me a decade to realize that they were Baldwin models. Now I feel so silly.
No need to feel silly. You were a kid, and no kid knows EVERYTHING.
Though a lot of them THINK they do......
@@davidandrew477 That's okay, most meats are plastic wrapped anyway!
Enjoyed the video you put together
Thankies
@@ironhorsehistorian9871 Thanks Michael and Thank you very much for replying to my comment. I would love if you could take a quick look at my page and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I have a new video out now. Hope you like and share.
Saw your channel. Thought it was pretty cash money👍
Sadly, only two remain. Both are destined for museums.
Though good pullers, Baldwins were notoriously unreliable, which explains their poor sales and Baldwin's early exit from the diesel market. They depended too much on outside suppliers, like Westinghouse for electrical equipment, De La Vergne for prime movers, and Hadley, Ryder & Pedersen for general equipment layout and stress analysis. Their engineering staff was inexperienced and slow to adapt from generations of steam engine design to the new realities of diesels.
...In addition, Baldwin chose to equip their locomotives with proprietary MU (multi unit) connections that
would not MU with Alco and EMD's common system thereby losing the interchangeability of their locomotives with those of the other manufacturers. I believe some of the railroads that owned Baldwins
did MU conversions to make them MU compatible with the other makes.
Well I’m hindsight that was pretty stupid
That and the long nose made front coupling connections somewhat challenging depending on what was coupled to it... basically it was the length of pull, you had to watch minimum radius curves and switches... 2 things that had to be a pain in mine operations.
I remember a 'Trains' magazine article years ago by a retired NYC man that said that for every 1 hour of maintenance an EMD unit would need, an ALCO would need 1 1/2 hours, a Baldwin would need 3 hours, and a Fairbanks/Morse would need 4 hours.
Very Nice presentation! Love these engines 🚂💨
:D
Looks like something out of an old science-fiction movie.
That's ONE way to look at it. Personally, I prefer to remember a time when there was an effort to make things aesthetically pleasing AS WELL as functional.
one of my faves :)
Superb. 💙 T.E.N.
SMS Line should take one and fully restore it to operational condition.
Not bad, i would just expand and give a bit more history. Other than that great job
This is one of my older videos, nevertheless thank you for your observation and rest assured I’ll be posting more soon
Love to have something like that over in the uk,there are No American locomotives over here
It was a fine looking locomotive, that "shark nose". Too bad they did not sell better nor survive in service longer.
It’s all about the technology and the Benjamin’s if you get my drift
@@ironhorsehistorian9871 sad but true Michael, 1205 is my favorite and i hope to see it a museum some day….thank you….ms~~~
The 608A was never a reliable prime mover. Not like the 567 was. It wasn't even as good as the 539T...
They are locomotives,the engines are within the locomotive,that is all.
... get a life
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE OF THESE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL!!
HOWEVER I HAD THOUGHTS OF MODERNIZING ONE USING
AN CATERPILLAR 3608 INLINE ENGINE WITH GENERAL ELECTRIC TRACTION ALTERNATOR AND
TRACTION MOTORS!
THIS WOULD BE GOOD AT 3,000 HORSEPOWER!
BUT I AM NOT KNOCKING THE LATE INLINE BALDWIN ENGINE,
EITHER! I DID MANAGE TO BE AROUND BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVES A BIT BEFORE THEY DISAPPEARED!
BALDWINS BAD SIDE WAS THE WESTINGHOUSE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT!
SOME OF THE LATER BALDWINS WERE BUILT WITH GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPONENTS BUT I NEVER HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO BE AROUND THEM!
WAS TOO BAD THAT TOO FEW WERE PRESERVED AND KEPT IN WORKING ORDER!!
WHY ARE YOU YELLING AAAAAH!?!?!? lol
@@ironhorsehistorian9871 NOT YELLING
I HAVE USED TEXTING EVER SINCE IT WAS INTRODUCED TO CELL PHONES!
THIS WAS DUE TO TINY KEYBOARDS AND TINY VIEW SCREENS SO USED ALL CAPS!
AT MY AGE NOW IT MAKES IT EASIER!!
BUT BACK IN THE EARLY DAYS NOBODY WAS TRYING TO BE THE
TEXTING POLICE!
Just being funny dude it’s all good lol
Hands down one of the most beautiful locomotives ever built! Here’s what I would do if I had one of these and a $100 mil lotto scratch off: I would gut it so that nothing of the antiquated equipment remained. Then I would re-engine it with whatever EMD 710 would fit-along with the associated traction motors (AC jobs). I would modernize the cab, make it look like an RV. It would be equipped with air conditioning (gotta have that-along with a cool sound system). It may not be an original when I get through, but there’d be no other locomotive like it anywhere!
the 4-4 sucked,,, that was the end
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Do you mean the B-B wheel arrangement?