Let's Talk About the Fallout TV Show
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Well, it finally happened. We finally got another entry into the Fallout series. And it was pretty good.
In this video, I'll discuss what I had enjoyed, disliked and thoughts on what the future means for the Fallout series.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:47 What I Liked
05:54 What I Wasn't A Fan Of
09:00 Retcon or Not Retcons?
14:12 The Future for Fallout - Zábava
House was trying to play VT for his own reasons. He is no friend of VT.
I love that line of him mocking Sinclair 😂
House also is one of the smartest people in the world. Had he showed disagreement over this stuff and tried to stop them, he probably would have said hi to a bullet by one of the personnel there. They were talking about launching nukes at the world, so what would it matter if someone "had an accident" while there. Vault-Tec were above the law already and had connections with everyone. House would know not to show his hand there and in a defenseless position
@@Deadsea_1993’show his hand’ lmao
In the end, the house always wins
Except for when he doesn’t
@@Deadsea_1993 it still ruins that fact that his knowledge of the bombs dropping was pure calculation- not literal knowledge or warning
@@a-10warthog90 I mean that's what he said, doesn't mean he wasn't just lying, or maybe he did his calculations which said that with or without Vault Tech the bombs would fall. (I think this would be the most likely.)
Why do you keep mispronouncing goosey as "Lucy"?
i didn’t wanna mention it but yeah its Goosey MacLean not “Lucy”
@@classified2430 in the tv show Ella Purnell plays Lucy in the TV show
@@michaelhawkins7389 you havent watched the show have you
@@justdoingwork4072 I watched two episodes and need to watch episode 3 , amazing so far ( my opinion) but yeah Ella Purnell does play Lucy in the show , 😁
but I am sure I will see this Goosey MacLean who ever they are on the show
@@michaelhawkins7389 lol when u do lmk, very VERY vital to the main storyline
I think the serum can prevent ghouls from becoming feral. It not the sole reason for the non feral ghouls, but if you are a ghoul start to experiencing feral behavior, the serum can keep you sane for longer.
And about the bombs, vault tec could have launched a few, but us and china definitely launched the rest.
Yeah I don't know why everyone is really freaking about that. All the ghouls we see using the viles are pre war ghouls and its actually kind of nice knowing that their is some kind of Chem that it leash suppresses turning feral at this point
I agree with the serum part, they don't specify that it was "prewar" drug for ghouls so my head-canon for it is someone figured out that what ever it is was found to delay the effects of feralism and that knowledge isn't exactly wide spread, hell it could just be that someone was "making" it locally at some point.
On the Vault-tec bombing, them saying they WOULD doesn't mean they did, they likely just saw that as an ultimatum incase the drive for war vs peace talks occurred. Also I could see the idea of Vault-tec using nukes being a good "get out of jail" card for them incase their plans for the vaults was going public. Considering that the executives didn't seem ready for the bombs to drop that day it's unlikely they started the bombings that day, they may however had bombs ready to go incase only a few bombs were launched to ensure this was a "world ending" event.
Just person side, the shady sands one was actually annoying, they literally could of just picked another city or moved the timeline to fit with the games.
If Vault tec started nuking themselves, why would China launch nukes in response?
@spareiChan yeah that's whats honestly so annoying about it, the timeline. If they made the year just another decade forward or so it wouldn't be an open and blatant contradiction.
@@J0hnzieits not a blatant contradiction thou. The fall of Shady Sands led to the nuke, it didn't say Shady Sands was nuked in 2177.
Honestly, I just want the NCR to be around still. Shady Sands is gone, but the NCR wasn't just Shady Sands but is a whole nation. Give them a new captial like New Reno or Vault City and the NCR should be able to survive.
Sure except that their entire political system including most important figures are still largely based in Shady, along with a significant amount of resources etc. In real life factions will surrender upon losing a capitol, let alone in a post apocalypse where keeping a society together is many times more difficult.
FNV also repeatedly makes
It extremely clear how inconpetant NCR leadershio is when they arent being nuked. If anything it would be ridiculous that the NCR could survive Shady Sands being bombed, they were barely keeping together in a time of relative peace
While i also want to see more NCR, you have to think about it as a young state. If the capital of the US got nuked in 1880 i dont think wed really be able to just assign a new capital and rebuild from there. Thats the loss of everyone who had an idea how to rebuild, and the loss of any and all institutions which exist to do the same.
@boblionia lol no. In real life factions don't just cease to exist as soon as they lose their capital. The kuomintang lost nanking twice, the taliban lost kabul in 2001 and hamas lost gaza city in this current war. None of these factions ceased to exist as soon as they lost the capital. Even a medieval state, the byzantine empire lost its capital in 1204. Yet parts of the byzantine empire survived outside the city and eventually retook it.
Even if the entire political class was inside shady sands, which is a massive assumption considering everywhere in the ncr has senators, the ncr still has an army which would likely declare martial law to save the republic until a new political class could be established.
@mappingshaman5280 did any of those random and irrelevant historical events involve nuclear fire? Because we're not talking about losing a capital. We're talking about having a capital and everyone in it, and everything collected in that location ceasing to exist in an instant. Comparing a nuke to a political kerfuffle has got to be the coldest take shit I've ever read. And just because you can name drop empires doesn't make your point for you.
@mappingshaman5280 also did you just suggest that the ncr military taking over and declaring martial law would end peacefully somehow?
Of any city to be the hypothetical new NCR capital, I think its most likely to be New Reno, Vault City, Sac-Town or San Francisco. It looks as if the whole of Southern California has been abandoned, The Hub is deep in the south, so I don't think its possible that it would be the new capital.
My big issue is the show basically takes place in LA, when she leaves the vault saint venice beach is in view, making her basically geographically in the Boneyard, which i guess doesnt exist anymore
Shady Sands never should have been that far south tho. It's on the Cathedrals doorstep and makes it a prime target of the Master from the get go.
I don’t think New Reno would get chosen because it’s not part of California proper
San Francisco is controlled by the Shi
Something I haven't really seen be discussed is during the meeting of the ceos discussing how they're going to end the world with Vault Tech, there is a shadowy man in a booth overlooking them. Im assuming this is meant to be the then missing US president and that he is monitoring what they're saying and will report back to the Enclave
unless they are related to the Dunwich Building...might be an elditch helper...
Tim Cain made a good point that perhaps Vault Tec didn't start the war, as Barb wouldn't have sent her daughter to a birthday part the day the bombs drop. Also, I think it would kind of change the main theme of the series from "war never changes" (i.e. factions always vying for power) to "capitalism destroys everything"- which, while certainly an element of the games, is more of a minor or secondary theme at most.
Perhaps. Not to mention House miscalculated the date of the bombs dropping and not having the platnium chip in time to stop all the bombs and missiles from hitting New Vegas and the surrounding Mojave. But I think it still could be possible Vault Tec did start the war if, for instance, Barb was disciplined or even fired from Vault Tec as a result from the fallout (see what I did there? 😅) from her and Cooper’s divorce and his ties to Vault Tec’s ads and promotional campaigns being cut if they discovered he found out about their plans. Either way, I’m excited to see where that mystery leads to next season!
Its not like Barb is the only one in Vault Tec. Even if she said no she could be overruled by someone above her or just out voted by the board of directors if she is that high (I don't think she is the CEO or anything but even if she was a board can overrule her depending on how much power it has in terms of stock and corporate bylaws). I think Vault Tec starting the war makes sense and fits with them pretty well (honestly was my headcannon already that Vault Tec shot first and both sides blamed the other ending the world in the process).
The Fallout games have always been a satire of American capitalism. If you play 1 and 2 as an adult they’re really quite silly and over the top, especially 2. The Fallout world has always been one that was destroyed by consumerism, and even after the bombs fell it’s still the same old guard clinging to power.
Yeah, I think a lot of people have missed that these people are essentially talking about aspirational plans - and even then, "by dropping the bombs ourselves" doesn't necessarily mean Vault-Tec literally loosed missiles DIRECTLY from a Vault-Tec branded missile silo or something lol. Corporations owned the American government by that point, and VT could've easily been lobbying the government to fire their missiles.
But even if that was the plan, it doesn't mean they actually did in the end. A lot of people who knew the war was probably coming were nonetheless caught off guard when it actually happened, and you can now it appears add Barb to that list.
My biggest grip is why was Sinclair at the executive meeting. Sinclair was not an investor and was simply a consumer buying Big MT technology. Big MT was a scientific research facility contracted by the military to use new experimental technology in warfare. Due to Sinclair's connections with big figures in the entertainment industry he was able to land an agreement to purchase Big MT technology. Sinclair was a VICTIM of their experiments. Big MT knowingly released "the cloud" on the Sierra Madre casino and with Sinclair completely unaware of it being their creation went back to big MT asking for a solution. They then supplied him with another experiment the prototype hazmat suit. Sinclair shouldn't be at that executive meeting and the amount of people i see trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.
Yeah, that was definitely very weird, still cool to have a face tho, now I kinda know why Vera preferred Dean instead of him 😂😅
My headcanon is that he bought most of the shares of big mt and then the think tank betrayed him
@@mappingshaman5280My headcanon that the guy there is actually Dr. Moebius.
I think he's only there to have a Big MT reference.
I'm gonna assume that's Sinclair Sr.
.....or the People Eater ....
It was hinted/shown in the series that only Ghouls who start to change need to take the serum.
I loved Vault 4. People were freaking out about the cyclops overseer in the trailer, but once we actually got into the show, it made perfect sense. Even Goosey assuming the worst and over reacting to the point of being exiled from Vault 4 was totally something we the players would experience in a game haha.
Ill admit i was wrong about the series initially, but ill die in the hill of that first trailer gives the wrong impression of the tone of the show. It made it look like a Bethesda theme park comedy.
When a fall of a empire is listed long before its actual destruction
Ie Roman Empire fell after Marcus and not the actual sacking of Rome
Worthless cope. Why is there no date next to the nuke? They cared enough to date the symbolic fall but not the actual destruction of the city? Absolutely laughable.
With the Ghoul Serum my theory is that it's only needed for the Ghouls that are close to going feral, and the others don't need it until they start showing symptoms.
Same thing I think. Both ghouls who we see need it are clearly pre war, and therefore very old
The second ghoul we see said he's made it 28 years since he started to show signs of going feral, and it's obvious that the serum doesn't completely stop it since that ghoul had multiple empty and broken vials near him when cooper' ghoul showed up
@@Jaysin412 He also hadnt had some for some time. We also know that (viles or not) a ghoul can either go feral quickly or take a while to turn, even after the onset of feral...ness. My guess is that he was already pretty much late stage when he started taking the viles, and when he ran out he was done for.
My assumption is, radiation exposure hastens ghoulifcation and drugs don't work that well at all on ghouls. This "anti feral" juice is the equivalent of "Ultra Jet" but for rad away. A violently concentrated dose of anti rads to pull them back from the brink for a minute, but they still soak it up like sponges using it to heal themselves so they always need more.
@@SES77it also effects different people differently, some turn feral quicker due to fast exposure.
To be fair, sawing off that guys head wasn't necessarily an act of violence, she didn't have any other choice if she wanted to get to her dad and he even killed himself so she didn't have to kill him.
And she did get told a few times by then(and even much more by her first real act of violence) how it was up there, how she would have to adapt, how she could not handle it, on how she should go back, ect.
Her first real act of violence was the super mart and all she did was shoot a feral ghoul, at the last second, moments from imminent death. Which even then was minor in terms of morality, but it was a kill and that made everything that came after different, like breaking the ice in a very subtle way.
This show was expertly written. I've watched so many Fallout YT creators takes, so many complaints, and I can't agree with any but 1. That's when "The Ghoul" fought the 2 BoS in power armor in the dark, utilizing a ghouls ability to see in the dark, but the power armor helmets had flashlights on them, you could literal see them but they were not turned on lol.
But that's more of a blooper than some kind of plot hole or bad writing really. They did everything right and just goofed on that one small issue.
She really didn't want to saw off the dude's head...
After seeing the first "knight" run like a little coward, I'm totally ok with the modern brotherhood soldier being too stupid to remember they have headlamps.
The BoS not turning on their headlamps and getting taken out because of it, kinda just feels like that quirky Fallout humor/charm translated to TV.
There was a few little things like that throughout season 1 that I quite liked
@@Coreisus it shows how far the Brotherhood have fallen that they no longer even have the rank of Paladin. They just slap any idiot who passed basic into power armor, like they did in FO3. Boom! You're a knight now.
@@BrianAtlas-no8el That's true, but it doesn't make it an act of violence. It's reminiscent to violence, but lets be real, the guys dead. By the definition of the word violence that was not violence.
Violence is only possible from living being to living being.
The Fall of the Roman Empire is a hotly debated topic among historians. When a date is given, more often than not they're referring to the beginning or acceleration of the process. In History, "Fall" is often referred to as a process and I think that's what they're alluding to.
In 2277 you had the First Battle of Hoover Dam, the consequences of which we experience in NV. You also have the reelection of Pres. Kimball. I argue that that classroom board is referring to their understanding of when Shady Sands began falling as the political and economic center of the NCR. It doesn't invalidate NV, it actually contextualizes a lot of what we experience. Regardless, it's clearly a mystery they put in on purpose to drive discourse and prep for season 2.
Finally, Keep in mind that we're talking about a date written on a chalkboard in a classroom for vault-dwelling, traumatized survivors. That doesn't make it an absolute fact because the character that wrote it isn't infallible.
The fall of Rome isnt really debated much, the Germanic tribes that were invading for 200 years were appeased by Rome to settle and serve Rome on their border. Unsatisfied, Rome's own army consisting of mainly Germanic tribes began to raid and destroyed most of Greece before moving to Italy to topple the city of Rome. Meanwhile the eastern part of the empire based in Constantinople maintained the status quo after defeating the Germanic tribes
I'm wondering whether the Brotherhood of Steel has a whole has doubled down on the religious themes and styles, or if it's just a Chapter like the first season of the Mandalorian, where we saw a bunch of Mandos who were pretty different to what we were used to and weren't sure what that meant for the whole group, and then in the 2nd season we found out they were just a conservative section of them.
Also they mentioned that they got a message from the Brotherhood in the Commonwealth, and assuming their Elder isn't just talking out of his backside, which isn't impossible, then that means that either the Brotherhood or the Minutemen ending is canon for Fallout 4.
My understanding is that the west-coast BOS was much more like this, consider they would be remnants remaining from the fail of the west-coast command being active again would have lead to conflict with the NCR. My view on it is likely following the collapse of shady sands (got my beefs with that) the BOS came out of hiding likely after being in contact with the east-coast BOS now reasserting command of the remaining chapter across the country.
Given that the airship used in the show is NOT the Prydwen (while the west-coast did have airships, afaik they all were destroyed long ago) I would very well assume that the BOS used resources from the commonwealth to build a new airship. The original was built using a rare working fusion reactor and they were able to gain access to that tech during their endgame events in FO4. Since the beryllium core isn't used to run a fusion reactor but to START a big one they could easily have salvaged the reactors from the institute to build more airships. The fusion core is basically a mini fusion reactor (though in game they act like batteries) that can be "started up" with a moderate power source and should (by lore) have enough fuel to last for hundreds of years and provide 60KW of power (assuming these are the TX-28 designed for the T-51b and later the upgraded T-45). The beryllium agitator one the other hand, it's a jumpstarter for basically a giant fusion cell...
My guess is the BoS was a winning faction considering they were able to send the prydwen to the west coast
considering that the Minutemen are the first faction you meet and are fully customizable by the player, I think it goes without saying.
Tbf the more I think about the BoS the more I’m convinced that it’s destined to happen they become a theocratic cult. Real parallels to WH40K tbh.
@@renaighyeah the bos ending us probably Canon. Bethesda wouldn't dare undermine the bos boyscouts.
How did Mal Davers survive to the events of the show? As in, was she cryo or ghoul or something like a stasis chamber like house? I must have missed it
I don't think they explained it, but personally I don't think shes dead. I think that her character has a lot more going on than what we first see of her
She was a spy against Vault-Tec and she was a high ranking Vault-Tec member. "Was she a Ghoul". No, she still is a regular Human. My guess is she got in a pod, was released, she fled and betrayed the mission that she never believed in and then settled at Shady Sands. She is a prominent NCR figure and even has a cult at Vault 4 that worships her.
Probably cryo as shown in Vault 31
Not sure but she is commonly referring to as a witch so I would assume that has a part in it
@@gbrlsdoubt Vault 31 is where she would’ve been if she did survive cryo. There are other places across the Wasteland with cryo beds and chambers that kept those frozen that weren’t necessarily owned by Vault Tec nor in the vaults. Remember the end credits silhouette shots too in the final episode that advertised cryobeds in the Tops in New Vegas? If cryo is indeed how she survived, I don’t think it’s out of the question she found or perhaps possessed a bed or chamber to slumber in when the bombs fell and for a time after.
Honestly I think Vault 4 was my favourite part of the whole series. It perfectly encapsulated so many of the feelings that made me fall in love with these games. Getting totally absorbed in some unexpected side-quest, stumbling across a weird situation that gets more and more unsettling as you go. When you take action doing the thing you think was right, you find out things were more complex than you ever thought. Then some ridiculous shit happens and you go on your way.
Yet another banger from yaboii. I think that the ghoul serum is needed if a ghoul had been further exposed to the radiation of a wasteland. This explains why Eddie Winter didn’t need it, and why The Ghoul did need it, as he was exposed to radiation constantly when he was on the surface.
I'm thinking the ghoul juice is a new invention as this is the furthest into the future we have ever been. Shady sands being blown up, this happenes all the time in the games. Even as players we get to nuke areas in multiple games. Nothing lasts forever.
The Ghoul serum is definitely new and it seems it keeps radiation at bay from parts of the brain that will destroy it to the point that they become feral. The Ghoul knew his friend was out of time and chose to mercy kill him to feed on him and end his suffering too.
The thing about shaddy sands is: we always had the choice.
If the “standard” ending no settlements are ever destroyed
Gonna copy my previous plot problems here, cause I'm lazy.
Problems in the lore and setting.
1. What you said already, that the Fall of Shady Sands doesn't really jive with the New Vegas story line. There's no really any good way to go about it, they just bungled it up. It could be that the "fall" was something like "Shady Sands was corrupt, and the people knew that it had fallen" kinda stuff, but that's just.... yeah.... It's not good, and I'm not really hopeful for the showrunners to be able to save that, and they're going to just ignore it.
2. The waterchip being destroyed was never brought up again. The people at Vault 33 are going to die.
3. If the Vault 4 scene about the survivors of Shady Sands revering the "Flame Mother" was anything to go by, the people at the observatory and the raiders in the episode 1 were NCR survivors. Why would the survivors from Shady Sands be such.... degenerates? They didn't know how to use utensils, they didn't undestand what drapes were, nor did they could be called uncivilized. Another plot hole there
4. The T-60 power armors are cast steel armors, not welded. You can see that they are cast, and what Cooper said about them having a weakness is just BS. Even if it was welded, the problem was noticed already in the T-45 model, and the people at West-tek knew about it, as it was brought up in the show. The problem should've been fixed in the T-51b model, and support this claim, the T-51b model was the armor that enabled US to push the chicoms back to their mainland, and kick their asses over there. So, if the T-51b had the same problem as the T-45, then how did the US push them back to their mainland?
5. One of the biggest problems that I noticed was that how in the hell did Hank get to New Vegas? He has to come from the west, so there are few problems there. If he comes from the north, along the 95, he's going to run in 80s and White Leg territory. A lone Vault Overseer will get wasted quite quickly there. The route from 95 is still the most likely ONLY IF the Courier 6 is real and canon AND he sided with NCR or Mr House. This would mean that the White Legs are weakened, and I bet that the 80s have gotten their fair share of missiles/troopers to deal with, but in the case that the Courier 6 sided with the NCR, there should be NCR soldiers along the 95. What if a man running in the Brotherhood power armor comes near NCR troopers? They're going to shoot at him, so it's.... not very likely that he'd survive that either. So, what about the I15 then? Well, it's the main NCR route to New Vegas, so again troopers spot a man running in Brotherhood power armor, and he's dead. "Well, what about just straight through the western wasteland?". Nope. There's the Divide, and he's NOT going to survive that.
What I see in this tv show is a bunch of screenwriters and showrunners, who are not actually fans of the IP. "If it sells, it's good" must be their motto. Next season is going to be the make it, or break it, for this series. It's a 6/10 at best for me.
Perfectly put. As a massive fallout fan who absolutely loves the lore, tnis show was such a disappointment and it breaks my heart when i see people giving them a pass for it. As it, its fine to take a turd on the lore and then blame the fans for getting angry
@@DragonZombie2000it was a good show idk why people have to get so worked up about a few minor plot errors
The waterchip could be used as a plot point in season 2 to make more people leave the vault
@@primary2630Because fallout is a lore heavy franchise. Every detail matters and fans care about consistency in their favorite fictional world. When writers start throwing that stuff out of the window for the sake of an interesting story it just makes everything feel flimsy and expendable. Who knows what else they might fuck up? Who knows at what scale they'll fuck up next?
for point 5 it's been clearly shown that a house victory occured and that the NCR's influence has been greatly reduced, so much so that "shady sands" has almost no troops stationed in their former "capital city". It wouldn't make sense for him to come north as that means he'd have to walk literally all the way around through probably stationed NCR territory to get there. Coming south from the long 15 makes more sense as that is the most direct route from where he walked from.
For me stating that the fall of shady sands started in 2277 is in reference to the Folley that the NCR’s imperial adventures in the Mojave.
It looks like they’re going with the yes man or Mr. house ending. This would be extra painful for the NCR to stomach as they have lost a lot of troops in the region. There could be political backlash, we know President Kimble was it the pockets of ranch barons basically.
It's far simpler if that's just a typo.....or the refugees can't really tell time correctly.
I wonder too if they’ll make the ending in the Lonesome Road DLC canon where the Courier, together with Ulysses, nukes both the Bear (NCR) and the Bull (Legion). The destruction of the Divide cut one of the two main supply and transport routes the NCR had going to New Vegas, and having the other one nuked, together with the Legion’s (who were equally overextending themselves) would’ve prevented any further supplies or reinforcements from coming into the Mojave. Ergo, making the fight at the Second Battle of the Hoover Dam against the Securitrons and any faction allied to House or the Yes Man exceptionally difficult to counter.
Something I think the show did really well was not revealing all the details right away and letting the world building slowly reveal itself over the course of the season. There's clearly a lot going on in the story that we the viewers aren't aware of yet so it's hard to say where we're going plot wise in season two. It also means if season two ends up being an absolute stinker, season one will still stand pretty strong on its own.
We do see a deathclaw skull.
Wait for season 2
I think Mr House's ending is likely the ending they will pick as canon. Aside from Caesar he is the most interesting faction leader in the game, so much so the writers put him in the show already, so they will probably want to bring him back.
Im torn. On one hand i liked the show enough im no longer just going to assume theyll ruin everything they touch...on the other, i want them to stay as far as possible from my precious Legion because they likely wont make them complex at all.
I lean towards House or even the Yes Man. If the Legion was still around, I doubt the Brotherhood would’ve set up their airbase came we see in the show in a location equivalent to the Bonneville Salt Flats, considering that was Legion territory by the time of New Vegas. My guess is like the NCR in Southern California (if they still exist further north), the Legion collapsed and withered off into remnants, raider gangs, and/or tribes across the Southwest.
Now that a Season 2 is confirmed . It allows for much speculation .
As a fan of the games I'm glad it went well and revitalisaled interest .
Considering Amazon is responsible for The Grand Tour and Clarksons Farm . Let's hope they invest in the show and give it they same respect and budget it deserves .
@decimusvitae I hope so too . There's so much to draw on they don't need to 'enhance' it with woke ideology .
Its got people back playing the games again too , and with a new , if somewhat glitchy update.
I'm still trying to figure out why Hank. A prewar vault tech employee would be going to new Vegas, and not vault 0 in Colorado where the rest of the vault tech employees were.
Ghouls have been characterised as junkies, maybe every drug has varying effects of feral nullification, the serum The Ghoul uses just so happens to work well enough for him.
Ghouls and the fev vials I believe in the fo Bible long time ago, were humans lightly affected by fev which was most people I suppose in light light light amounts. That stopped their cells from degenerating. I think that’s what they’re trying to go off of, having to keep taking bits of fev. That’s why super mutants wouldn’t attack ghouls was the old “lore”
The show doesn’t make VaulTec dropping the bombs as cannon…..It just showed that VaulTec was willing and or planning to drop them….Someone else (China/US/others) could have launched the first bomb before VaulTec was able to….Many Vaults were not ready and it doesn’t make sense that VaulTec would hurt themselves by dropping the bombs prematurely
i can confirm, i know 4 people (myself included) who either revisited or just started one or more of the games. i also know several people who at least plan on it in the near future
Moldaver did say that Hank came to shady sands so maybe he had a part in the fall of shady sands then once rose stilll didn’t want to return he decided to bomb a year or a few later
I think Shady Sands fell precisely when the show said it did, at least the start. And the reason it wasn't talked about in Vegas was because the higher ups in the NCR was keeping that information from the rest of them to keep morale high in a dwindling war effort.
And then when it got nuked they figured it must have been House and sent the rest of their West coast troops to Vegas for an all-out assault.
The show makes it out to seem like Hank MacLean dropped the bomb cause he was butt hurt about his wife like... wtf no, I don't believe it. Much more reasonable that Vault-Tec bombed the NCR because they were in Vegas trying to annex it and knew that it would start a war with House.
And now that Hank has seen that the NCR forces in the West coast are still almost non-existent, it should mean that they fell in Vegas and so he goes to check and hopefully talk to the still existent Mr. House to get some help combating the BoS since they just got their hands on cold fusion which is a huge threat to the NCRs plans.
Though by the look of the ending scene and credits my guess is that they mostly destroyed each other and the legion took the opportunity to kill off the weakened survivors, or they all got fkd by a bunch of deathclaws, idk lol.
I think Lucy cutting off the head is perfectly normal for Fallout, think about it your main character pretty much starts killing people soon after leaving the vault.
Literally though went to go save the minutemen just after visiting our old neighborhood, it's a everyday occurrence in the wasteland.
it's been a hot minute since i played FO4, but can you share any opinion you have on the brotherhood of steel flag ship PRYDWEN being in the show? noting 1 of the possible endings of FO4 being to side with the institute and destroy the brotherhood, thus destroying the ship along with it. does this technically mean that the brotherhood "winning" in FO4 is now the canon ending of the game? again, forgive me if i have covered something that might seem obvious, but i haven't gotten around to playing FO4 again yet, just want to hear (or read) your opinion on that
Respect to you sir for admitting you was wrong. Unlike most people on youtube.
That is why he is my favorite fallout lore channel ❤
I believe everyone involved in making the show really worked hard to make it as good and as faithful to the games as possible, I really enjoyed it both as someone watching just a tv show and as someone who's played the games
I could not get behind Maximus as a character or actor at all, until a friend said he may be an "idiot savant." The Ghoul and Lucy are both great. The Armor having jets on their hands when they have jet packs is...a choice. I think the NCR collapsing is the most disappointing part of the plot. The attention to detail with the esthetic, clothing, and food were just perfect. I still am confused if it was raiders or NCR troopers that attacked the vault in Episode 1. They acted like raiders but now that we know Moldaver association, it is all confusing.
I think she just hired raiders. She left them behind and doesn't care about them.
@@primary2630 That seems uneeccessary especially when she clearly cared for the safety of Roes children yet is willing to let a Raider bone / murder Lucy? A pro trooper could be like …. “ stay here don’t go outside I have orders.”
@@Vandelberger Did she, though? Or did she only pretend to care when it was advantageous for her?
The hand jets look less stupid than the jetpack at least
@@Vandelbergercalling NCR troopers "professionals" is a HUGE leap. They were illiterate farm boys whos first real gun was slapped into their hands by the quartermaster.
I think the ghoul serum is something that was discovered between the events of the show and NV, after all we do see characters in the games researching ghoul feralisation, for example Doctor Barrows, so it isn't surprising that they might have discovered a way to delay ghouls going feral in that time. This also doesn't ret-con the idea that some ghouls turn feral more slowly than others etc.
It does ret con ghouls as a whole turning them into irradiated zombies that can only be killed with head shots for some reason. Not to the mention even the show can't decide if they need water or food to survive since "the ghoul" was buried under ground for a year without provisions. Plus how did he have enough serum for a year? The serum serves as a mcguffin for "the ghoul"
@@NS_Voice It did change ghouls a little bit but ghouls have always been able to regenerate with exposure to radioactivity, if we assume that the serum contains some kind of radioactive properties or FEV or something, it isn't that weird that they can regenerate after taking it. Honestly the lore around ghouls can be kinda inconsistent in the games with some ghouls surviving for long amounts of time without food or water such as Billy from fallout 4. With "The Ghoul" however, he had multiple IV drips attached to him when he was buried which were presumably keeping him alive and preventing him from going feral.
@Maxthekillbot he was still buried underground for a year. Those iv drips would run dry within a week without constant refill, let alone 12 months. If he was awake as well, his mental condition would've been incredibly unstable as studies have shown that extreme isolation like that would lead to extreme psychosis.
@@NS_Voice When we first meet The Ghoul, one of the guys digging him up says that "Dom Pedro" digs him up every year to cut pieces off him then buries him again, so it would make logical sense that they would keep him alive and refill the drips.
Regarding the Enclave, the fact that a guy running away is immediately targeted by every council member and bounty hunter in the area or whatever happened there, implies that they dont have much power outside of their facilities. Maybe it would have been a better time to do a side west coast West-Tek(to align with the board meeting perhaps?) based Institute villain, but considering the Enclave could be any government based location in the country, having sporadic well armed facilities isnt too much of a stretch imo
I definitely agree that it could have been located in a unused location as to avoid nearly all of these potential issues, but you know they gotta do lil fan service and reference farming in the biz
I am pretty sure the creators of the show has said that whatever happens in the TV show is seperate from the game.
The ending shootout was my biggest gripe with the show, gunning down so many BoS while struggling to kill Maximus in ep2 was very jarring.
Walton Goggins and Matt Berry are awesome casting choices though.
6.6/10, enjoyed it mainly cause I was expecting the Halo treatment
I thought it was because the ghoul had regained his memories
@@manofnomuscles5496 Nah it's just poor writing
@@manofnomuscles5496don’t matter, you don’t one-shot that many paladins, you don’t load your gun in front of that many paladins, and you definitely don’t shoot one and make a one liner in front of that many effing paladins
@@codyschwarz5155 I thought those where knights and the shows version of the brotherhood was clearly incompetent which is why the elder wants to split the brotherhood
@@manofnomuscles5496 the show never uses the term paladins, which is what they would be in-game. Regardless, the Ghoul one shot several power armored soldiers but couldn’t kill Maximus in ep2 despite shooting him like 5 times
love that goober Thaddeus
Hes wonderful
They did the NCR dirty. Also it seems New Vegas is in ruin (if the illustrations are accurate) which could mean varies things.
Makes me think that the yes man ending was cannon, and if our character died, new Vegas fell to ruins
I think the NCR and civilization being destroyed is not necessarly a bad thing for the story they just fumbled it
I don't think it was their intention, probably CGI for New Vegas was created at the last moment and made out of existing assets due to lack of clearity if the season 2 will be greenlighted.
They didn't do it dirty at all. My guess is the Second Season will be NCR heavy an explain what happened since FoNV. People forget that the NCR wasnt actually doing so hot in FoNV and a loss at Hoover dam likely would have been the final nail in the coffin. Hell a victory at hoover damn likely would have been a nail in the coffin.
@@SES77 Kind of a cop out. Bethesda seems to want to keep the world in metal tin roofs and poverty forever.
They couldnt get nukes right lmao
Ground bursts look cooler than air bursts.
Haven't watched it yet, so with no spoilers please, is it worth watching and is it faithful to the fallout universe.
Been looking forward to this one.
8:20 who is blud swinging at 😭
The fall represents the beginning of the decline of the NCR such as the war against the legion, corruption, etc. An arrow means that happened AFTER the fall. Like how when talking about the fall of the roman empire you start with what lead up to it then you would have an arrow pointing at a burning city.
Tks-Mantis pointed that out as well
Yeah I don't buy it, it seems weird not to include an exact date for when it got sploded.
See I can agree with that but then putting no date on the explosion is weird design wise
@@freezafeesh9251it was done like that to prevent making any ending canon
@@MttkRaimon Alright bro 🤣
I don't think they necessarily said you need the serum to stay sane from the jump. Makes more sense if its only necessary if one starts to go feral (which may or may not happen based on a variety of factors as its pretty clear that most ghouls do go feral if the game is to be believed) so if symptoms arise it becomes necessary but otherwise you're good. At least that's how I interpreted it.
My only minor complaint was the lack of energy weapons.
I didnt like that weird ballistic pistol that looked exactly like a stockless laser rifle from 4. A knight should have a laser gun.
I dont necessary think that having to take a serum wont make a ghoul turn. Its possible he was to the point to turning and someone gave him the serum and he learned it can extend his lifespan (from turning) for a short period longer. It could just be like a health potion for his brain against the degredation against his synapses and such. It seems like they might be harvesting the serum from other ghouls? So it might just be their blood from non turned ghouls that have a ton of life left.
I dont remember anyone ever saying that every ghoul needs the serum to not turn. I believe its just some of them that know they are beginning to turn and know of this temporary cure.
Maybe im wrong though.
man I really liked the show way more than I expected
My assumptions based on the trailers, the director interviews and the reputation of Amazon after Rings of power led me to believe this would be dog shit.
But im having to eat my words, it's actually really really good. Not perfect, has some holes here and there, and I'm worried how they'll handle New Vegas. But id be lying if i said i wasnt enjoying it almost the entire run-time.
I think the serum is a new invention/discovery that just pushes feralization off slightly but if the ghoul isn’t already turning feral then it doesn’t need them:
The only way to enjoy the show is to ignore all the non Bethesda lore/games
New Vegas retcons a bunch of 1&2... or are you talking about just 1&2 because even those are totally consistent...
I think "fall of Shady Sands" is when it stops being the capital, and thus loses most of its importance. It then gets nuked a while after 2nd battle. With how zealous the survivors are, I think that's a good explanation that doesn't counter any other lore (that I know).
Anyone else noticed that serum Thadeus received that healed his leg? My guess it probably is the mysterious serum from Fallout 4.
Seems like it was implied to be some sort of ghoulification gas or something. no idea
My implications was he was given a hit of hydra
@@Slop_Doggmaximus saw him heal and took a guess, the brotherhood seems to keep the squires in the dark about a lot of things, so he probably didn't know wtf he was seeing
It had a hell of a lot of radiation to turn him into a Ghoul in that short of time. Plus the doctor laughed when Thaddeus said "You're giving me coordinates to that place ? It has a hell of a lot of radiation there". The doctor laughed and patted his shoulder and said "Oh I wouldn't worry about that my boy". Thaddeus then looked at his foot and began to worry. It wasn't until he pulled the arrow out of his neck and the wound healed where he was like "Oh shit. I really am turning into a Ghoul"
@@Deadsea_1993was it ever implied that ghoulification gives you wolverine healing powers?
As someone who played the original fallout game as a kid, it was strange to watch it become the videogame franchise it is now, and even more alien to see it as a Netflix series. It's kinda cool but also in some aspects it's warped into something completely different that don't always translate the d material well
Amazon, not Netflix
9:16
I actually have a theory that since it’s stated in universe that brains only last around 200 years or so now all the prewar ghouls need this medication to keep their brains “alive” and keep from going feral
Whats your thoughts on Matt Berry being the robots
And a thing that I found rather odd is that in new Vegas the only building that's still standing is the lucky 38 so they definitely had a lot to explain and besides everyone gives a vault ideia exepct for Mr house so yeah he probably wasn't a fan of exploding the world
Was it better than I expected? Yes, substantially so. But I expected it to be akin to a harsh beating and instead it was merely a slap to the face.
Fallout is an abused franchise
Thats exactly my thoughts having just finished it. Its like whiplash.
Your first point you made about vault tec dropping the bombs is what I personally have believed this whole time and was happy I got an answer to it. But I just had a thought after you said “coopers wife probably didn’t know when they would be dropping” made me think. What if vault tec didn’t drop the bombs on themselves? (U.S) what if vault tec didn’t drop ANY bombs. I can’t remember correctly (correct me if I’m wrong) but I believe there was a terminal that said china shot first. What if vault tec hired someone to make china believe they dropped bombs on them so that the US government would launch their entire arsenal on them in response to china shooting first? Just a small thought I had
The "fall" might be referring to the fact that the NCR is in an all time low as the NCR president believe they could take whatever they want because they won against the legion in the first battle, and for so, he send a lot more troopers to almost just die in the Mojave as it was consider the Mojave campaign the same as how the US was handling the Vietnam War back in the day, and we all know how it ended.
Sure, the word "fall" could have been a better word like downfall or the beginning of the end or something instead of that because it is very ambiguous, but yeah, the NCR was struggling very bad even by winning the first battle, our boy chief Hanlon said it himself that they were now dealing with things in Baja instead of keeping an eye on the legion and their advances.
The bomb must have happened after 2281 as the mother of Lucy is ghoulify and strapped into a chair for what like 19 years? Sure, she looks very decayed but so are plenty of the ghouls and we still need to see how old is maximus as he was a kid when the bombs drop, remind you he is a squire at the beginning of the show and they are mostly young people who begin as squires (almost to like 16 at best), so thinking that the bombs fell after 2281 there's still a chance for 15 years to have past from that event that that kid can grow a little older to what we see in the show.
And finally about house, it seems like he was on board with all but they must have given him a date, because in the game he says that he miscalculated the production and distribution of the platinum chip and so, was left with all he had in preparations of the bombs as he knew they were coming but maybe because of a hurry he miscalculated the arriving of the chip and then the bombs fell, besides, his calculations were not that correct either, he believed that they war would have began in 2080, he was so close tho; why the that date? Because in the game he said that in 2065 he began to calculate when the war might start and he came up with that date but he never predicted how many bombs where there and how much he could have protected the city because it wouldn't have mattered if the chip would have come earlier; is almost the same situation the courier has if he/she decides to take yesman, if you don't upgrade the securitrons the anarchy rises and everything runs very bad and even with that if you destroy the bunker beneath the fort the courier will still struggle to maintain order in the Mojave, so, yeah, our boy house was most likely to be in a hurry to prepare himself with the end of the world and besides he had the same plan as the enclave as they wanted to gather the people in the vault to go to another planet to colonized it and begin again, so did house but with wastelanders, wonder where he could have gotten that idea? :)
I feel like they did mess up something there since Lucy before realizing the truth says her mom died in the plague of '77. Curious to see what they'll do with that plot point in a second season.
@CreepyRapper wow, really? I forgot about that, imma re-watch tho ;)
how have i never thought about a nyc fallout setting, make it more spooky and dark like metro imo
I'm sorta mad about THE THING but I think it was an all around fantastic show and I'm eager to see where they take the story next.
I believe this might just be my own Cannon. 2077 the fall of Shady Sands refers to the first battle of Hoover Dam as their commitment into the Mojave is the moment where the ncr's ideals we're pushed too far. The bomb was dropped after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam probably in 2182 or 2183 I did see in one of the Fallout wikis this is how they explained it.
New sub here, enjoying your videos! Just a side note on Lucy becoming so savage so quickly, i thought it was funny, its how quickly the player character has to get savage in the game :)
This took place over the course of a year...
9:33 yeah
There’s a few things
The TV show added
I think it’s pretty good
Like I still think
Either they go with the same people or eventually, you could have a TV show of each vault
With different actors
Would be interesting as well.
I was waiting only this video
I still feel the nukes being launched by VT should not have been made apparent or canon. One of the reasons it was always up in the air is because so many factions had legitimate reasons. When we go for the winter armour in F3 its clear the Zetans tried to start the war. VT are part of the enclave who were already in power and winning in Alaska with boots on the ground in China and soon to take the mainland based on the dlc so it made little sense why they would have launched. Then theres the FNV with the incredibly anti-gov house I can't see him siding with VT otherwise there would be move vaults in the mojave. I have yet to watch the series so don't know if they mentioned any androids yet from the commonwealth but we know the institution had its feelers out west back then. I also do not get why the NCR is portrayed as falling. Its corrupt etc but as a model of pre-war US it likely should have outlasted ost if not all factions. I also do not know if the shi got a mention. I personally think who dropped the bomb should have remained a mystery as the series is trying to make you think, instead its just corporate greed. The ghoul drug thing, as long as its later explained is just one delay tactic is fine. Its understandable why they didn't cover the missipi since in the canon its under the rule of some Dragons hopefully you understand the faction I refer to which was confirmed in the fandom and F4. Another question is if we are going to the Mojave how will vault 22, the great khans, cesars legion, big empty, zion canyon, etc will be portrayed if its just 8 episodes I doubt much will be covered to the extent it needs.
There are indeed a few things that are surprising... like the apparition of a brotherhood of steel flying ship (prydwen, not prydwen... if prydwen then the institute lost), the communicating vaults and the ghoul serum. That one really surprised me the most, never heard about it, that create a new lore. But in your video that you publish way before the tv show (that I saw too), you said they all will turn ferhal ultimately, and even if we never heard about it, we need to not forget that the tv show is the further in fallout timeline. So prewar ghouls might got the their time limit. Also, in your video, you said Dr Barrows was trying to come up with a cure... So maybe he found one ? or an half working one. Specially Dr Barrows was supposed to be in fallout new vegas. So it not totally a retcon... it might even be totally legit and we will have an explanation. For my perspective, I think the show grow slowly and I started to really get into it from episode 6. But that's because till then it was a bit too straight forward, took some time to build the dark atmosphere I know from the games
People cry about the changes in power armor on the show. Lets not forget the BOS have been using power armor for the past 200+ years and probably have the ability to create and/or modify power armor to their needs. The face plate makes sense. Instead of taking the helmet off and exposing your entire head to danger you can just raise the face plate up. The jet pack. They downsized it so its in the arm section instead of lugging around a huge pack on your back, which could also make for a nice target. But why wasn't this changed in any games? Don't know, don't work for Bethy or Obsidian. But from a survivalist point of view you adapt and you adapt things to your needs. Hell Diamond City guards adopted baseball gear for light armor. As for the ghoul cure, people have already explained that which is what I thought. Its a new creation invented by someone to help a ghoul is in the first steps of the feral stage to prevent it from happening.
I thought the "serum" was clearly just RadAway since it's the same color and in IV bags like what was hooked up to Cooper while he was in the grave. Maybe radiation heals ghouls physically but damages them mentally, maybe being out in the waste and ingesting irradiated food and water increases slowly the process of becoming feral which is why it's shown Cooper eating and drinking very little solely for energy as ghouls do not need to eat or drink to survive. Billy and Eddie would be safe from feralization for at least a long time since they were exposed to very little to practically no radiation after becoming ghouls. Also I don't think Vault-Tec literally dropped any bombs but were show very capable in doing so if the war didn't escalate.
Im loving the show, it's not entirely what i expected, I watched the 1st season of the Mandalorian and thought the entire time, "this would be an amazing idea for a Fallout show, just going around helping people, doing jobs for monetary gain and upgrades." The Fallout show is way more narratively driven than I would of thought, I actually really like the "side-quest" like events like the Super Duper Mart and Vault 4 which I guess are more considered "detours related to the main quest." Maybe there will be more stuff like that in season 2 since the story is established now, Im just glad there's finally video game related media that not only get's the source material right but actually has engaging story and characters where you don't need to know anything about the source material to enjoy it but if you do it makes it even better.
I hope the show makes people go and be hyped for the battle of Helios One, SODAZ been cooking. Because honestly yea it does take liberties and such but somehow looks more faithful then the show itself. Who would win a billion dollar company or some dude from Korea.
Sure... I would think people would care about the one by Zack Finfrock, the dude who made nuka break (you can watch it on youtube). Do you think amazon made this themselves? They gave money to kilter films... like amazon does for almost everything. They aren't a billion dollar company. Do you really know how nothing works?
Boneyard might be the only real retcon, but you be more surprised how long that place lasted 50 years later after Fallout 2
Copper is noticeably stronger and less ghoulish looking than the rest of the ghouls we see in the series and that too could be an indication as to why he takes certain drugs in order to stay from being feral
The show said that Shady Sands was the NCR’s first capitol. implying that the NCR is not completely destroyed and already have a new center for everything with many locations that could be the second capitol including Vegas possibly, but let’s wait till season 2 for bigger confirmations
It’s quite obvious Vault-Tec and likely the Enclave too had something to do with the bombs dropping and now it’s good to know that at least Vault-tec did it and the Enclave likely knowing at the beginning of episode 1
This show is a 10/10 for me. I thought it was amazing and enjoyed it 100% all the way through, instant classic. Polished up a bit and a increase in budget; season 2 is gonna do great. I see this as a long running show with at least 3 seasons, if they want to continue live action fallout I think after that they’ll move to a new cast and setting for a different fallout story but we’ll see.
I had fun watching this show. It is a rare thing to have *fun* watching a TV show. I love the Fallout TV adaptation and I can't wait for future seasons.
I feel like tje NCR moved its capital to San Fransisco and kinda just cut off southern california. You cave to remember, california is HUGE. We only saw pretty much 2 counties worth of CA in the show.
Arroyo might be affiliated with the NCR? If so, they could have moved there as I believe they are more prosperous than Vault City or even New Reno, besides they are place in Oregon which is up north of California, I wouldn't be surprised if they extended to there as well.
Still, is just a consideration
@@TheinvisibleTV19 yeah exactly, I'm starting to think the next game will take place in the pacific northwest as well, so the NCR might be a big player in that
The House Always Wins
My headcanon on the ghoul serum is that it is used once a ghoul feels like he is becoming feral.
I'm pretty sure that was the actual intention.
I think she was supposed to be like 10 when shady sands fell, and like 18-22 when the show takes place, so that gives enough time before the show takes place to have shady sands be nuked
So you are just making stuff up and pretending that you read it somewhere. Nobody has said how old she is or how old she was when shady sands fell. You can say that you are speculating but not like you actually have any actual knowledge because you don't.
@@thomgizziz literally just google it lol
i honestly dont mind the changes to the world and how it works (ie ghoul serum and shady sands) if they just said its not canon to the games and let it do its own thing
As if the games left each other alone. 3&NV screwed with 1&2 and 4&76 screwed with all of them... People couldn't decide what was cannon before the show comes out and now suddenly there is one true cannon to rule them all? Cant even get straight answers out of people about what cannon it is breaking. Half the time they are making baseless assumptions and the other half it is things that aren't even decided cannon in the games.
The funniest thing is that the louder the person is about the changes the more likely they haven't watched the show and they are calling everybody NPCs and say they are just parroting the party line -- when they haven't watched the show and are watching youtubers and listening and repeating things blindly...
I was after that first sentence of you description about if it was good, most things these days are 50/50 so I was cautious ... brb.
I wasn’t into fallout before the show and now I’m like 40 hours into new Vegas
Also the opening scene with the bombs was incredible, I hope they show more in season 2
I think the serum its rad-away, so radiation isnt the factor that turns them feral
I actually hope that the timeline in the series is correct, because it means that this fallout universe is a parallel to the games, similar but not identical, and therefore both can exist at the same time
10:20 it could also be a placbo/fad... Which would both be grimdark and funny.
They didnt necessarily confirm vault tec started the war, just that they planned to. Two things that point to this not being the case.
One: barb howards daughter was not in a vault when the nukes went off. Her characters entire reason for being so pro vault tec was to ensure her family would be safe. She wouldn't want her daughter to get nuked.
Two: mr house. Mr house was at the meeting. Mr house had also planned for the platinum chip to arrive at him for the 24th october 2077 which suggests that either this day or a day after it was the planned day for the great war. However obviously the bombs dropped on october 23rd 2077, which suggests either vault tec betrayed him, or someone else launched them entirely. But if vault tec betrayed him, why did hank go to new vegas, where mr house would be absolutely pissed with anyone involved with vault tec?
The retcon with the ghouls I feel could just be explained that the radiation works different for each individual and some ghouls may need the medicine or not. Kind of like how ghouls look different for each games
Why arent you screeching that any change even if it isn't 100% the way you think it is means they have ruined the whole series and the show is the worst thing ever?
@@thomgizziz Heheh lmao, maybe cuz I don't have encyclopedic knowledge on the games and I'm not die hard on the franchise
It's a good show imo. My only two major problems with it was as you mentioned the weird location of shady sands and the CG for the New Vegas wideshot showing 0 of it's surrounding territories like westside or camp mccarran. Other than that it felt pretty fallout-y, and generally kept the spirit of the series. Though it does remind me of Bethesda's proven writing style of post-apocalypse in a post-post apocalyptic world. Without the NCR it just feels like a land of decentralized city states with a minor faction here and there, no real nations trying anymore.
Didn't have the best expectations going in and the show was genuinely a great watch, no complaints here
I just assumed the vials were Rad-X or Radaway
I'm not fond of the portrayal of the brotherhood, no elder or laser rifles for starters, and they just come off as a lot more inept and cruel.
That old guy was the Elder
@@mysticwraith6667 supposedly that was an elder cleric, however they only every refer to him as cleric
Maximus was exactly Finn from Star Wars.
I still can't get over the Nuka Cola retcon / redesign. The rocket bottle is everywhere, and to me it's uglier than it was... Did they ever have a reason for the change in the cannon?
Are you AltShiftX?? Sound exactly the same
Vault 4 was a sidequest :D
Vault Tec didn't have to be the ones to launch a nuke at LV. Could have been the Chinese as part of their nuclear response.
All Vault Tec needed to do was spark the war and the Countries would do the rest that's what Vault Tec was doing so they could solidify the need for them and their vaults
Most important question about fallout universe answered at last... and I knew it... I knew it was vaul-tec fault! ^^
Wasnt ghouls needing drugs already established in F3 or FNV?