The Most Lethal Factions in Fallout New Vegas
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- Which Fallout New Vegas faction is REALLY the best? Let's take a look and see if we can start to have a better idea of what group is going to be Nevada's supreme overlord in the coming years, pitting factions of deadly killers against each other to see who comes out on top.
00:00 Intro
00:44 New California Republic
03:51 Caesar's Legion
07:03 Brotherhood of Steel
10:25 Boomers
14:10 The Strip
17:05 Skirmishes Rundown
19:01 Battle for the Best Faction
25:15 Outro
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I took a look at the strongest NV factions but who would be some of the weakest? 🤔
(trick question its the powder gangers)
Followers of the apocalypse? Maybe the kings excluding rex?
@@captaindodobeard3993 The followers of the apocalypse aren't weak. Try to walk into the building guns blazing without power armor or explosives and they will cut you into butter.
Can u show ur modlist
w pfp btw
React to some of theneosypher’s and yaboiii’s videos to get why I like the legion👌
It's really telling that the NCR's problems are directly addressed by a few NPCs that say that what they have in the Mojave is basically their third best. The real elite troops are fighting and defending the rich Brahmin barons back in California and are nowhere near the Hoover Dam. I wonder what would happen if the actual top of the NCR was around for the events of New Vegas
i hate the brahmin barons for that
You know what thsose elite troops do come into the Mojave, right? The 'power armored troopers' are Heavy Troopers. The Baja Vets arrive as well.
@@accountname9506me when I spread misinformation in the comment section
@@accountname9506the heavy troopers are glorified tanks, they aren't dishing any damage or moving much
Utter slaughter of NCR's glorified units, if they were to be led by General Oliver...
The supposed "small" NCR force argument is quite BS... Mojave expansion is the main focus of Kimball, overseen by his nepotic friend and they care about the land so much that they continue shifting fresh recruits with barely any training to the front... That doesnt sound like someone who does not possess manpower problems would do.
Funny how every squad you put together loses to a really pissed off mailman.
Well, battle-hardened mailmen don't always win, but they make sure the battle is long, as a certain mailman named Alfons Flisykowski would know.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 as a certain mailman named Ted Kaczynski would know
Another quirk of the Securitron Mk IIs is that they have "in-built repair systems".
I installed a few mods recently attempting to realize that by giving Securitron Mk IIs passive regeneration.
The more busted of the two mods allowed them to clear Quarry Junction with a small squad solo.
The less busted of them still mamaged to wipe out Camp McCarran and the buffed up Sentry Bots (strafing animations so they can fire while dodging) I had placed there.
To note the weakest passive regeneration mod I used gave the Securitron MK IIs 3hp per second.
Other notable mods would be Physics' Based Ballistics to give travel time and bullet drop to bullets and speed up missiles.
That's it.
Though not really a faction, I would really like to see Mobius’ roboscorpion army against the strip or even see Elijah’s theoretical army of holograms.
hologram army would be weird because theyre literally invincible unless you shoot the projector which i think the AI doesnt know so obviously they'd win
theres a fallout new vegas ending to dead money where you team with elijah, he literally solos the entire mohave and it isnt even close, noone can stop the fog or the "ghosts" and only the courier and elijah are left, you can look up the video on youtube
I think it might be worth comparing NCR before and after the Veteran Ranger reinforcements. Great video!
Veteran rangers + heavy troopers yeah.
“I tried to play the role of a b-29 bomber by using a Farman on the NCR before the fight broke out”
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The only faction I'd say could go on the list would be the super mutants of Jacob's town/black mountain after Tabatha is dethroned. Super mutants and nightkin are tough invisible and have some of the best heavy weapons in the game
Id say they're pretty bad, main problem is that they cant reproduce
Another advantage Super Mutants have is their speed. Melee attackers close the distance very quickly, and being aided by both mini-guns and missile launchers makes them difficult to deal with. It's the combination of combined arms, durability, speed, and stealth that make them so dangerous.
They simply dont have the population to take the mojave.
@@coopergrow3722 maybe but it seems likely that the population would be somewhat close to the bos base at hidden valley
@coopergrow3722 they could if all the other factions were fighting eachother
I feel like the Legion was a bit under powered compared to the NCR. It would be more fair to have 1x Centurion, vet Decanus, prime Decanus, and Vexillarius, then 2x vet Legionaries, 3x prime Legionaries, 4x rec Legionaries. If they still suck u can add 5x Legion Mongrels or have a situation where the Legion is defending the fort, and then add 5x Praetorian guards to even the odds. Overall great video vro I would be interested in watching a part 2 :)
I agree, too many NCR power fantasy fans
The NCR has to have the bigger number to make it lore accurate. Call them boring but their sheer number is what makes them hold off the brotherhood and the legion even after getting crippled post helios one.
@@weirdbro6597 I def agree but the 2 vet rangers kinda was overkill compared to what he picked for the other factions. The Legion has alot more variations in their troops so it woulda cool to see them in these fights.
Lore accurate NCR if they didn’t send all their best troopers to the middle of nowhere instead of the Mojave
Chasing ghosts in Baja California
That's not an AA gun on the dam, its an artillery piece.
In the game it’s AA
@@Leavemealone670 Yeah, my bad. I just double checked and the game refers to it as both. While I suppose a Howitzer could fire specialized AA flak rounds, you'd probably have better luck just handing your troops shotguns and telling them to try their best for all the accuracy an artillery would have.
I believe it’s an AA gun because as part of the Arizona Killer quest you can program the gun on the Hoover Dam to shoot down Kimball’s vertibird as it departs c:
Great video but the setup of the NPC battle portion is a bit crazy. The NCR should have at most one vet ranger and/or one heavy trooper. The legion also didn’t get a single regular veteran to help them, and also were outnumbered heavily. They have a massive number of Veterans who are not here, who have far stronger firepower. The whole point of the NCR losing the mojave is because they are stretched too thin while other factions could choose their engagements wisely. Putting twice as many high level NCR troops as everyone else and then declaring them the strongest faction isn’t fair.
Otherwise the video was well made but your anti-Legion and pro-NCR bias heavily influenced it, unfortunately.
Very well spoken comment 👍
@@billy-ol2cdagreed!
this was really interesting! i think the results of the battles would be VERY different if the AI was good. it also makes me think a RTS game based on new vegas would be totally radical..
You might want to look into the OWB mod for hearts of iron 4.
It themes the entire game around fallout and let's you play through these what if battles to your heart's content
Actually Cl Moore at Hoover Dam was supposed to have Very Evil karma. It’s restored in the JSawyer mod
Didn’t she execute Brotherhood prisoners?
@@Independent118 let’s not talk about the good things.
I think we can safely say the most dangerous faction is the Mojave Express, given the damage and destruction wrought by only 2 of its employees.
ulysess is an ex-employee, so it all comes to 1 actually
Legion? Bad weapons? They have cowboy repeaters all the time. Almost every time I find a small legion camp or squad at least one of them has something like a .44 or a 10mm smg. An NCR patrol of 4 is lucky to have a single service rifle. Their standard issue arm should be changed to the single shotgun for how many of them I've seen.
Feel like lore don't add up to in-game experience, here a few reason:
- Lorewise, the recruit legionary only use throwing spear and machete as that all they get issued, i doubt the legion would have enough engagement that almost all lowly ranked soldier have captured firearms for their personal use. The legion allow their troops to use capture enemy weapon.
- Hockey pad isn't bullet resistance, a 22 LR have a good chance of penetrating it, and most of the NCR use 5.56 and 9mm as standard issue (Service rifle and 9mm pistol).
wrong.
Lorewise
"Guns are not uncommon but they vary in quality" and thats coming from Colonel Moore. Probably the only competent NCR officer in game next to Hsu.@@spookyengie735
@@spookyengie735legionnaires don’t really have standard issue equipment beyond their armor and machetes. Guns aren’t uncommon even among lower ranks like recruits but they’re usually poorly maintained as confirmed by Moore. So it’s probably fair to assume maybe 40-50% of recruits have some kind of firearm they were either issued or found on the battlefield and kept. Primes and above probably all have some kind of firearm.
@@ShimmyFr Which is why i said it kinda doesn't make sense how they a manage to find so many firearms. Another added point as someone who work in logistic in the military, how are they suppose to supply ammo for this legionary to use their gun, i doubt they would capture many round that can regularly use in combat. The logistical nightmare of keeping up with irregular firearms is a very real problem legion have to face.
The legion hit squads always have good firepower, but I don’t think that’s supposed to be anywhere near representative of the legion’s equipment, those are very much the elite soldiers which the courier happens to be able to wipe out with ease. Besides them, not many legionnaires have particularly strong arms. There’s just the ones around the fort, who are again elites, not the common troops in the desert.
I feel like including the legion hit squad would have been interesting, also the boomers sell combat armor etc too, so having them not wearing vault suits would be interesting
Yes!! The boomers definitely have access to heavier armor, most just don’t wear it day to day. In a confrontation they would definitely be pulling up with combat armor, like what Raquel wears. There are even some that I’ve seen wearing power armor, but I’m sure that’s a rarity
Honestly this video makes me wish for an RTS Fallout game in style of Warhammer 40K
I mean it ain’t that type of rts but there’s hoi4’s old world blues mod if your ever interested
Once again. Another great video.
You forgot the part where the ncr is spread like crazy
18 guys is not that unrealistic
If the ncr was planning to defend or attack any specific landmark they would have the numbers to back it up, but caught off guard they would most certainly be very paper thin on troop counts
Well yeah, General Oliver consolidates a significant portion of the NCR army under his command to the Hoover Dam, causing significant manpower shortages at pretty much every other post and causing major problems for places like Camp McCarran (Fiends), Forlorn Hope (Nelson Legion), Mojave Outpost (ants on the road), etc.
The NCR can't bring any more forces from California to supplement their Mojave forces until near the battle for Hoover Dam itself, when the Veteran Rangers and the Heavy Troopers are finally dispatched from their previous posts (Baja and Northern California ranches respectively); until then, the NCR in the Mojave is limited for what they can use and as such suffers tremendously. Meanwhile the entire Legion is basically present at the Colorado, with both Caesar and his top Legate, Lanius, commanding their forces in the area. As such, there aren't many Legion troops diverted elsewhere across their territory, and so they can afford to dispatch Legion parties to raid as far inland as Nipton, sowing havoc and despair the whole way.
Unfortunately for the NCR, there is basically no way they can win in the Mojave without the lobotomized murderhobo mailman that is the Courier dealing with the problems that their manpower is simply too overstretched to deal with. If they were to withdraw their forces from their other campaigns out west for too long then Congress and the local governments of their federal states would become uppity and cause political turmoil until they get their way (hence why the Vets and the HTs only arrive when the battle is due), which is disastrous to a country bound by laws and susceptible to gridlock like the NCR. The Legion meanwhile can just do whatever because they don't have the right to complain or cause problems within a senate when Caesar decides he wants to go and butcher thousands of people.
That said, I don't think Caesar's Legion could ever get any further west than the I-15 since an actual invasion of the NCR proper would cause a state of emergency and a deployment of the entirety of the NCR's military-industrial complex to defend against an invasion.
tl;dr, the NCR is a state with an army while Caesar's Legion is an army with a state.
he literally did say that
I felt like rambling
15000 people in the ncr, and i have to deal with everything
Another Lune classic
This was hella cool 😎 Really interesting and what interests me is how the fights turned out is kind of how popular each faction is. Maybe some numbers could be tweaked, but honestly I think the generalization was probably accurate.
It would be amazing to place the fights in different locations for a different video! Not for any supremacy but to simulate certain battles. Like a "Could (faction) defend their home base?" Video. The boomers would probably fare much better then but each faction does have very different base setups and locations! Could make for some interesting battle simulations!
Fun vid! Love it!
Would love to see something akin to an all out attack, something like Legate lanious vs 15 securitrons vs 20 rangers, etc, a best hits of the factions forces
This was fun!
Amazing thumbnail, Great Vid.
I love this video...
Really great vid. My only gripe is that you said there was roughly double the Securitrons as there were Boomers/BoS, and the fight probably should’ve been stacked accordingly.
Yeah I was kinda caught in a situation of not knowing what to do, if I double securitron numbers then they’d likely have 10 or 8 which would make the boomers (and BoS via stun locking) just a complete non entity in the skirmishes so I just accepted that wouldn’t really line up with the research I did LOL
@@ClLuna love the honesty lol
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"...and members..."
WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF GREATNESS, WE WERE THIS CLOSE
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"If you see some guys wearing football gear, do like the Romans do and send some lead their way."
I mean very cool video, if only a chapter of the brotherhood can do a very good fight i can't imagine what the full force could do
Hi, How did you do the "observation mode"?
Alright, now it's time for you to simulate the entirety of the NCR and Legion war within New Vegas and see how far Legion could actually push in-game!
What's funny about the Boomers is that during their pilgrimage they were way better at defending themselves compared to the Brotherhood at the start of the war. The lore says that under Roger Maxson, they would kill 2 raiders that attacked them for every 1 member they lost. However the Boomers could kill over 40 "savages" for every 1 they lost, and still decided that was unacceptable.
I've never seen a problem that could not be solved with enough High Explosives.
@@alreadyblack3341idk man, I don’t see how shoving a stick of dynamite where the sun don’t shine would cure AIDS.
How exactly did you get the population numbers?
Nice vids you Made Here, can you make a vid about honest heart
The most dangerous faction is the courier(with 100 turbo 100 phsyco and an anti material rifle with explosive rounds)and veronica with pushy
My only suggestion would be how much ammo each faction has as well as quality of the weapon, yes NCR are the biggest and strongest faction but is stretch tin from resources and troops which factions like the Legion take advantage of them hence why Legion use melee alot plus Caesar himself say guns jam or break down alot, granted that might be his logic because alot of his war where against tribes and raiders but it be interesting to see how that would work out considering fallout is meant to have very few resources left plus it be great to see some melee fights lol
In that case the legion would also be weaker. They use weapons they find or capture, that means that the common legionarie that's armed with guns have very few ammo, because most of their weapons are looted from bodies, that usually will be carrying a small quantity of ammo, not including it would be difficult for the legion to supply them ammo because of the great variety in weaponry their soldiers have.
A militaristic army... yeah thats kind of what an army is.
What visual mods are you using?
Desert Natural Weathers + Realism Redux addon, Tale of Two Wastelands and Simple Interior Lighting Overhaul!
You should've given some boomers grenade machineguns, it's their true best weapon that's on multiple NPCs.
The brotherhood military is probably smaller than 500 because of children and non militant personel
I feel the ncr troop count is a bit too high, yes we do see a lot of ncr and in lore they’re massive but I feel it’s inaccurate because I think most of the ncr force is back west and what we see in game is not their main force
The engine can’t take the amount of npcs that are supposed to be in the game. The engine is fallout 3 from 2008. Its too old.
@@antoine121 *1999
remember that the boomers was never trained for combat outside defending
Veronica is a member of the Brotherhood of Steel
Eastern BoS vs Western NCR would be a legendary war
FO3 Brotherhood was not a bunch of turds Aqua Pura was for the whole wasteland. Deff good dogs
Who do you think would win in a lore fight? The game factions aren't really comparable to the lore versions(securitrons not being able to regen health despite having an auto repair system for example)
I’m not exactly sure, there’s a lot of variables but I think that the Boomers having the only operable offensive air craft in the Mojave of a major faction is a huge benefit. I think with well timed/strategically utilized explosives they could put in a ton of work. Otherwise I’d say that the ncr has the most potential with proper strategy and counter forces akin to that of Caesar’s legion leadership and espionage.
Tldr boomers or ncr depending on the situation and how they utilize their advantages (in no way, shape or form objective just going off vibes)
@@ClLuna I personally believe that the legion or the strip would win. The securitions based of dialogue sound like actual threats (general Oliver at the end of the game is probably talking about the securitons before the upgrades meaning that the securitons before that were still threats despite how weak MK1s are in game. The legion has Legate and was winning until the courier stepped in (unless you choose the legion) and in every encounter I see between recruit legionaries and NCR soldier the legion always wins.
im a simple man, i see "new vegas", i watch 🤷🏾♂️😂
This is a very good and maybe even informative video!
Im really confused by your number estimates.
Where did they come from ?
NCR following the footsteps of old world democracies is unlikely to recruit 1% of its population for its armed forces, thats for sure.
Legion on the other hand ? Given what we know from Raul, Arizona was filled with raiders, much more so than settlements.
Legion defeats the raiders and tribals and forces them into their armies, with no exceptions. They might be very well throwing like 40% of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado population at you.
To be fair they did lose a lot of their veteran forces at the first battle of Hoover dam, and because his army routed he initiated the original Roman act of decimation lining up his entire army and merking every tenth soldier.
@@Sumoniggro Thats is not the case...
Graham got burned for the failure, no decimation order was made on the entirety of the legion...
Ever since their defeat the legion conquered and assimiliated 16 tribes more boosting their numbers, extensively.
@bobafett9348 It is worth noting that pre-war California had 2.5ish times as many inhabitants as the four states controlled by Caesar combined. The NCR probably still controls multiple times more citizens than the Legion. It's also unlikely that the legion would have a 40% conscription rate as they are far to technologically underdeveloped to support such a large army with food and equipment. The Soviet Union for comparison never conscripted more than 15% of its population at any given time during the war and they required a lot of American aid not to starve.
@@maarten1115 The thing with legion is that they dont neccesarily need to support their army as much as the NCR.
They are marauding survivors, each one capable of foraging for himself. Thats why legion does not suffer from similiar logistic problems to the NCR.
The most dangerous/Lethal faction in New Vegas Is probably Big Mountain. Now idk if you'd count them as a real faction since it's just the Think tank and their experiments, but holy hell are they scary. All you need for proof is the cut ending when The Think Tank wins. Sure the ending was cut, but not because the Think Tank couldn't do this if they got free, but rather because Bethesda said no letting the bad guys win. It's goofy I know, but they essentially defeat all the known factions in New Vegas. House, NCR, Legion, Brotherhood, etc.
Here is the cut ending in case you guys never read it.
In the decades following the Battle of Hoover Dam, the Big Empty remained a desolate stretch of wasteland, where few travelers dared venture.
{Curious, this is odd...}In time, however, a strange blue field began to grow, slowly spreading across the Big Empty.
Lightning-blue fields of force danced on the horizon, like electrical storms.
People whispered of "floating spheres," flickering like a rainbow of torches in the desert like Old World wisps.
{Cold, curiosity changes to doom}Then communities began to vanish.
Goodsprings was crushed beneath bizarre hexcrete blocks that stacked to the sky. The inhabitants of Primm winked out, flesh-fried into X-ray silhouettes, their arms raised in surrender.
A satellite fell on Jacobstown, beaming a kaleidoscope of bright blue equations into the deranged Nightkin minds, driving some berserk, paralyzing others.
Black Mountain Radio began broadcasting a strange staccato static as hordes of giant man-eating battle Brahmin began to swarm from its peak.
Camp Searchlight became a garden of giant carnivorous plants, and the Colorado river... "shrugged" one day, drowning several communities as its contours adjusted themselves.
The Gomorrah became home to a particularly virulent vegetation-based STD that grew like a fungus within victim's genitalia until their bodies burst open like pods.
The Legion East were systematically brain-scrubbed and rebuilt so that all the inhabitants believed they were in ancient Rome... on the moon.
...and the human cattle of NCR were re-educated into believing they existed in perpetuity in a nation-wide version of someplace called "Tranquility Lane."
In the end, no one was sure who had cracked the Dome of the Big Empty, although it was clear someone had been playing with forces they did not understand.
Throughout all this, the Think Tank was industrious, confident these experiments were all for the best, the results of the data they obtained - incredible.
They marveled that {emph}all of this had been waiting for them to come along and experiment since the war.
{Knowingly}Humanity certainly was persistent, no matter what experiments, nuclear holocaust or otherwise, it inflicted on itself.
The Think Tank already made a MASSIVE hit on the mojave with cazadores and nightstalkers breaking out of Big Mountain. If they could do stuff outside of BM they'd just win against anyone and anything. In the Elijah ending he can take over the Mojave just with the technology in the Sierra Madre. Imagine that with all the BM tech
That Boomer Kill to Death ratio is some Hearts of Iron 4 levels of lopsided.
20:08 well they weren’t outnumbered 15:1 so yeah
Ncr might have had too many of the higher level troops, if you cut down the veteran and heavy troopers and add more standard troops I think it would be more reasonable proportions and might come out more balanced.
Most deadly faction: Mojave Express
I'll just say this, in fallout 3 half of the brotherhood members are form wastlanders or former .
You make the NCR unreasonably op. In the lore theres like 20 of the heavy armor dudes total, giving them 2 is just insane. 2 Veteran rangers is also kinda too much considering how they are soon to die out. you also completely underpowered the legion. their entire thing with combat is numbers (and tactics but you can factor that into something like this) so the should get like double the troops they have here
say what you want about firepower, but the mojave bos possesses the ability to make people do yes man
5:32 If you talk to Colonel Moore at Hoover Dam, she claims that the legionaries are bigger and stronger on average, and that there are "2 times as many legion troops for every NCR trooper." or that last quote may have been from Chief Hanlon, I don't remember lol. Some of the biggest pieces of legion lore come from NCR characters, which is surprising more people seem to miss these important pieces of lore, given that the average NV player kills every legion NPC they come across, lol. Although I suppose a fair number kill NCR guys just as much so... Yeah. New Vegas brings the worst out in people lol
The brotherhood of steel could hit the NCR hard but they wouldn’t be able to hold territory cause sitting and defending while being picked off one by one.
However they could go on the offensive like the legion and spread the NCR out too thin so whenever they meet the brotherhood will crush them.
One the brother hood don’t have the numbers two they already went to war and they lost across the board terribly. Losing something like 7 bunkers.
@@antoine121 the brotherhood could pull it off and were initially successful. However, their long term strategy wasn’t sustainable cause of the denial of recruitment.
Like the legion they could spread the NCR out too thin to the point of ineffective. They would have to be on the move a lot instead of holding up in seclusion in bunkers or like Helios.
@@brotherjay4614 Bro lore wise they don’t have the numbers. All these what ifs go out the window when the brother hood dont have the numbers lol
@@antoine121 this has happened irl with real world examples of smaller better equipped forces winning wars. The strategy of the brotherhood was bad as it resulted in war of attrition which the NCR would win as the lore showed that. Brotherhood did horrible decisions like Helios One. They thought their tech and knowledge would be enough but their strategy was terrible.
A bunch of boomers (literally)
A bunch of giga boomers in power armour🇺🇸 and a handsome nerd.
A bunch of technophiles that refuse to come out of the basement
Bureaucracy and taxes
A bunch of incels
Elon musk
80’s wrestlers with miniguns and schizophrenia
Chicago residents with Dynamite
Easy pete
a bunch of crackheads
Enclave reaments
Imagine if the Brotherhood sent more people in the bunker this time. They would have won against the NCR easily.
Not really unless the NCR unit stayed the same size, there is a reason the NCR beat the BoS in a war in California.
@@Sumoniggro That's in California. But there is more Brotherhood member on the East coast.
@@16ktsgamma What I meant was although the BoS was much better armed and armored the NCR used their advantage of numbers, so if you increase the amount of BoS members in a battle you would also have to proportionally increase the amount of NCR soldiers, otherwise of course if you give the BoS more units without giving the NCR more units the BoS would win but it wouldn't be lore accurate.
@@16ktsgamma As for the east coast brotherhood, Lyon's brotherhood would be seen as heretics because they are not the BoS but power rangers while the outcasts actually represent the BoS, and fallout 4's brotherhood makes absolutely no sense, they go from being nearly obliterated to having the prydwyn and Liberty Prime (who is absolutely based) and not go get revenge on the NCR.
@16ktsgamma no theres more bos on the west coast. All chapters originate from the west coast which suggests the west coast has peopke to spare. Also remember that airship the east coast has? The west coast had multiple of them, and they gave some to a chapter they sent east composed of people they didn't even like. The fact the west coast bos can just give away airships to a chapter they dont even like suggests that either a: they already have more and the capability to use them or B: they have the capability to produce more
Where the enclave at?
how could you not include the kings.....
love your new nightstalker pfp heheh, is it your fursona? I know a lot of people have those but i don't want to make assumptions
nightstalker fursona is kind of ridiculous ngl
@@AlqhemyA wdym?
Long comment ahead:
This is my personal opinion about this topic, focusing primarily on the resources that can be obtained within the Mojave and delivered into the Mojave (like the case of the NCR and the Legion). Outside of the Mojave, the NCR would be overwhelmingly powerful. No faction, including the Legion, would stand a chance against them. The NCR is so much more developed than any of their enemies that a one-on-one fight with them at full strength is practically a death sentence.
Here is how I estimate the strength of each faction in New Vegas based on my understanding of the lore (including some of the smaller factions; I probably could make a video out of it if I ever stop being lazy):
- The NCR is obviously the most powerful faction in all of New Vegas. They have the numbers to overwhelm their enemies, the weapons to out-arm them, and the supplies to outlast them. The NCR's greatest strength is the industry they have back home and the manpower they can draw upon. People tend to forget that the NCR can produce massive amounts of firearms to equip their soldiers and ammunition to keep their rifles blasting. Being able to equip their soldiers with Service Rifles and body armor is a tall order for a post-apocalyptic nation like the NCR. The Service Rifle's capacity is no joke; 5.56mm rounds can do a lot of work. The NCR has multiple specialized military units like Rangers, First Recon, and Heavy Troopers, allowing them to exploit the battlefield far more efficiently than the Legion could. The NCR's biggest hindrance is its citizens' support of the war, which directly keeps the NCR from further escalating the conflict to the point where they can use all their forces to take over the Mojave.
- The Legion is likewise the second most powerful faction in the Mojave. They have the second-highest number of soldiers, just behind the NCR. They have better tactics for desert warfare (mostly due to the NCR also handling civil administration). Their weak point is that they don’t have a large manpower source to draw upon, unlike the NCR. The Legion is already very mobilized (especially since we know Lanius has to scrounge troops from eastern Legion territory to muster forces to take Hoover Dam, risking losing the east to rebelling tribes). The Legion's standard equipment leaves a lot to be desired; the average Legionary only has basic sports equipment as armor, which perhaps can withstand one bullet at most but is completely useless against any decent firepower. Their weapons severely lack range, forcing them to close the distance, otherwise risking getting wiped out. The Legion doesn’t have much in terms of specialized units, minus the Frumentarii, who are spies and not exactly combat-oriented. Centurions are commanders, Praetorian Guards are just guards with extra steps. Elite Legionary units are on par with NCR Rangers in terms of arms, but the average soldier is far underequipped. Logistics is rarely touched upon for the Legion, but you can imagine that keeping up with the mismatched weapons Legionaries capture and the food and supplies to sustain a large army would be pretty hard for a nation like the Legion. I truly doubt the Legion has the capacity to manufacture large quantities of firearms or food to sustain their entire army for a long campaign.
- The Brotherhood of Steel is probably the third strongest, mostly due to their superior training, equipment, and tactics. The Brotherhood's simulation training really helps them come out on top as walking killing machines. Their tactical superiority allows them to outperform their foes even when greatly outnumbered. The downside for the BOS in the Mojave is they are pretty much stuck to one bunker, running on a thin stockpile of supplies with no real way to produce much more. They also suffer from a severe lack of manpower. Their capacity is short-lived, but they can pack a punch against the factions of the Mojave.
- The Strip (including the Family army) benefits from New Vegas's economy, allowing House and the families the capacity to purchase a large arsenal of weapons to sustain their great army. Mr. House's Securitrons are a great asset to their army, but they are limited in number and probably require a lot of resources to produce, even if they can be fabricated. The three families can probably muster a moderate force of mobsters to secure regional areas, but they pose no real threat to the big two.
- The Great Khans are up next. They have a pretty impressive arsenal for their size. The Khans suffer majorly from a lack of manpower after losing a large portion of their population in battles against the three families and at Bitter Springs. They also live in one of the most inhospitable places in the Mojave.
- The Boomers are a powerful bunch boasting impressive weaponry and firepower. They lack numbers but have a huge arsenal of armaments that can last them a long time. Their stock is slowly dwindling but will probably last at least a decade at the current rate. Their biggest downside is their refusal to accept outsiders. Their number will slowly decrease, and their munitions stockpile will run dry. Additionally, towing howitzers across the wasteland isn’t exactly easy or quick and can be easily intercepted, making them a poor mobile force.
- The Fiends are lower than the Boomers due to having basically no tactical superiority over any faction other than other raiders. They rank higher than other raider gangs because they have access to moderately decent weapons and are pumped up on chems.
- The Powder Gangers, Jackals, and Vipers are just disorganized raiders. The Jackals and Vipers are technically more organized and better off than the Powder Gangers but are still a far cry from their heyday.
The NCR having the means to just take over the Mojave with ease but not doing so because of low public support is a myth. They dedicated all of their available forces to the Mojave when the campaign was popular and still had to resort to underhanded tactics to defeat the Legion and were incapable of fully conquering the region, which was why it grew unpopular in the first place. Citizens began realizing that the Mojave was a unwinnable meat grinder because the NCR had almost no allies in the region.
The Legion collect tributes and trade with merchants for food.
@@ShimmyFr - Why would it be a myth that the math and basic lore dump by so many NPCs in the game explain why the Mojave isn't the NCR's main priority? Clearly, they didn't dedicate all their available forces if characters like Cass or Hanlon tell you that the NCR is holding the bulk of its forces in California to defend Brahmin barons. Hanlon stated that the bulk of the elite Rangers are in Baja "chasing ghosts," which could mean either wasting time or dealing with remnants since Baja is a recently annexed territory. Navarro and the northern campaign also haven't ended. Another point is that the majority of the NCR soldiers in New Vegas are freshly recruited or conscripted instead of the well-trained troops kept back in California to defend Brahmin baron NCR cities, as stated by Cass, Hanlon, and a few others. The NCR does control the majority of the region. People in California don’t know what happens on the front lines. The reason the war is unpopular now is because too many soldiers die in a campaign that the people in California consider unimportant, similar to how Americans felt about the Vietnam War.
- Regarding the food supply, collecting tribute and trading for food doesn’t answer anything regarding logistic. The Legion has only existed for 34 years at the start of New Vegas. Considering it took time to conquer 86 tribes and establish towns and cities over the course of 34 years, the Legion being able to supply a force that size with the poor industry and agriculture it has is a miracle. You're asking a nation of probably barely over 50-80k people to support an army probably in the 15-20k range. Arizona was a shithole before the Legion, according to Raul, meaning that Arizona was extremely undeveloped due to the raider problem. The Legion cleaning it up would not allow it to instantly bounce back and produce large quantity of food in 34 years. We don’t know how many subjects (non-slaves) the Legion has. Assuming a large portion of them work in agriculture, they can probably make enough food to support 30% of the Legion army without starving themselves. Tribes of the Legion are assimilated with males either killed or forced to join the army, and women doing manual labor. Food is a logistical nightmare for the Legion no matter how you look at it. Even the NCR attempted to set up the sharecropper farms to diversify their supply to avoid straining their supply line.
@@spookyengie735 That dialogue doesn’t actually exist. I checked all of Ranger Ghost and Cass’ transcripts. Ghost makes no mention of the NCR intentionally holding back the majority of their forces or the Mojave not being a priority, and Cass actually backs up my point by saying that the NCR is just incapable of holding the region and the only reason they try is because of greed.
The Veteran Rangers being sent on a wild goose chase in Baja is simply because Kimball and Oliver want the NCR military to shine this time, not the rangers. The NCR don’t actually have anything else notable going on that requires their attention. The veteran rangers are wasting time “chasing ghosts”, we have no evidence of the NCR expanding northward, and the BoS-NCR war is practically over. I don’t know what you mean by the Navarro “campaign” (it was a battle) not being over. The NCR/Brotherhood already won that battle decades ago lol.
The only “better trained” troops being kept back in NCR core territory are the heavy troopers, which are a specialized division and far from the bulk of the NCR military. The reason why recent recruits are poorly trained and equipped is literally just because the NCR is struggling to replace casualties on the front lines and their war machine can’t keep up with demand, so they’re forced to give fresh conscripts the bare minimum. That says nothing about their priorities. If anything it shows they put enough value in the war effort to waste so many lives just to keep control instead of giving up.
Not really. They have plenty of military outposts, sure, but they haven’t actually annexed much of the Mojave. They just control some strategically important points, but the Mojave is largely independent and actively hostile to the NCR still. The war is unpopular because the NCR have made little progress in 4 years and Vegas is bleeding the NCR dry of caps. Funding being tied up in the Boneyards is only a recent development due to their lack of success, but the current administration is still prioritizing the Mojave because Kimball’s re-election and Oliver’s position as General hinge on winning the war. House states this verbatim.
By the end of the game once the heavy troopers and veteran rangers arrive the NCR is literally fielding everything they possibly can to defend their claim and would still lose to the legion without courier intervention. There’s really no evidence for the NCR using only a fraction of their power for the entirety of their 4+ year occupation. The campaign was initially extremely popular. It lost favor because the NCR made almost no progress despite the money and lives spent. They’re on the losing side of the conflict because of incompetence, an inability to make allies in the region, and the Legion being persistent, not because they just held back lol.
@@spookyengie735 Arizona and New Mexico were very hard to live in due to raiders, but we know that independent townships that would logically be able to produce their own crops were established long before the legion ever civilized the region. Raiders probably acted as parasites to these larger agricultural communities and made trade between settlements near impossible, which stunted their growth; kind of like Shady Sands in 1. I think it’s safe to assume the Legion have many of these kind of non-tribal communities under their umbrella that ballooned in size after the Legion pacified the region, and perhaps new ones formed as well with the influx of settlers and trade. Legion logistics are a problem as mentioned by Lanius but the game never really highlights it as so catastrophic that they’re on the brink of collapse because of food shortages. Whether that’s realistic or not is debatable, we just don’t know much about legion lands before and after they were conquered.
doesent the mk2 have auto repair systems
Yep
it doesn't
Legion is a bunch of unarmed builds
Two veteran rangers is a bit much,
Honestly 1 vet, 2 rangers, and like 12+ troopers seems more realistic, veteran rangers are not numerous and they are spread out doing different missions they only even come to the mojave late, and the NCR's idiot leader underutilized rangers intentionally for his own ego(Yet still has them as his bodyguards lol)
Rangers carry the ncr a lot!
Difficult Pete’s faction is the most lethal best not get it wrong
he got dynamite
300.
Massive armies are a problem on their own in terms of outfitting and feeding them. You don't have as much investment in training them - so most of them are gonna end up cannon fodder. 300 Spartans took on an army at least 5 times that size; and won - Pyrrhically, because of superior training/tactics and environmental positioning.
The BOS has a numbers/ideology problem that if they were a little less puritan about; they'd actually solve. You ONLY need people with similarly militaristic mindsets. Not an actual bloodline of military service. You're not going to find that very likely in the wasteland, it's a very limited supply. So they've become as much a cult as anything else, or a sect if you prefer. Because they raise what children they've managed to have (though how the fuck the MC never actually gets to HAVE kids BETHESDA...) to believe the same bullshit they do. Which is again, erosionary to their cause in the long term. They have the tech, and they have power armor so they COULD be a dominant force in the wastelands; but they'll NEVER hold any territory they conquer for the same reason the NCR won't. They're spread too damned thin.
The Legion: IF we lay aside the distaste for their views, and the antiquated treatment of women - they are a strong faction that has a survival first mentality that would in time help the wasteland. The problem being for them the same as it was with Roman Culture from which they are adapted. No one likes being conquered. No one would be consistently loyal without fear of death - so they will eventually end up with several possible versions of their own Spartacus. They do have the structure to hold territory, but again expansion is the same problem as guarantee of loyalty.
Mr. House - He doesn't win in my playthroughs, that's all I'm gonna say. A Howard Hughes reference that really ISN'T his own faction frankly. He is not going to be a credible leader of a damned thing, could not actually hold territory and his best feature is the strip. Which is basically the Roman Colloseum. Whoopie. He might profit from and distract people in their misery, but to actually lead them to any kind of better future... no. He's basically a man who should be dead, and an army of asshole robots.
Yes Man; not a perfect solution by any means, because it just gives YOU the robot army. But at least you've been the one getting shit done for the wasteland. For your own aims of course, just like everyone else. But hey, I happen to like being the one in charge. If I'm doing the work, I'm nobody's donkey. I get the profit at the end.
The Great Khans: No. Drug peddlers and a badly organized faction at best. They do not and never will have their shit together as a unified tribe with ONE leader, who don't infight. They are useless. Same as the Powder Gangers, the Fiends, the Boomers. All of the Casino gangs, and the cannibal assholes. They're there for flavor. Not practicality.
I think the fallout world would have much more people in it. If the games weren’t held back by the ps3/360 and then Bethesda horrendously bad engine.
Vegas in real life is much bigger than 4 casinos.
i dont wanna be thaat guy but,,,fisrt
Why is he promoting someone elses social media lol
The legion was implemented in the game horribly in my opinion. It makes no sense the biggest threat to the NCR have worse equipment than any faction in the game besides freeside thugs. If Caesar really did conquer 86 tribes surely he would have figured out leather football padding and throwing spears don't cut it.
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I think the NCR was too overpowered here. You showcased each factions raw power well, but this is showing that the NCR makes good use of all their soldiers, which they don't. I would have removed the heavy soldiers as they are almost never fielded, removed one veteran ranger for how rare they are, and maybe one standard ranger as well. I might add standard troopers to make up the difference and make one a Sergeant to lead the squad.
I would maybe even leave NCR at second biggest squad just for the fact that they are too spread out to muster as large a force as Caesar's Legion, who are smaller but less spread out. Good strategy could be represented in these battles by having more people, as the strategic Legion would only take battles they thought they could win.
I'm sure the TV show will waste no time retconning these factions as either comedically incompetent, or as the new evil for Lucie 'n' Pals to defeat. Look what they did with the NCR already
The legion is doomed to fail
How
@@gglel2629hyper militarism if they don’t defeat the NCR outright they will slowly die do to the lack of tech, and Industry while Caesar their leader and one of the only smart people in the legion is slowly dying do to a brain tumor and Legate lanius his succesor actually hates the legion and only follows it do to his loyalty to Caesar and the opportunity to kill
@@gglel2629caesar is dying and Legate Lanius hates the Legion and only works for the legion because he is loyal to Caesar
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The only way for it to survive long term would be a radical change in its philosophy and operations.which is what I imagine Caesar’s desire was if he could conquer the ncr but yeah I think Marcus said it best the legion is doomed to fail
COPE harder profligate
True to Caesar
Makes me always wonder why the legion was so powerful in lore, their equipment is BS
Superior strategy, tactics, discipline, trainin, morale and subterfurge pave the way to their victories
why would the NCR bother putting up an anti air gun at Hoover Dam? They're fighting cosplayers wearing hockey pads
Remember when Caesar's Legion lossed at hoover dam? Remember that Caesar is at deaths door. Yeah, let's forget all that. There's are many reasons why NCR owns most of the Mojave.
Sure cope as the legion without courier intervention is on the verge of encircling hoover dam by taking camp golf, camp forlorn hope and bitter springs
Enclave remnants ez sweep
4:20 your modern progressive views don't really apply to lawless wastes, does it? This is not a right critique to a society wanting to establish order in post-apocalyptic world.
Then how come the early NCR conquered so much territory through diplomacy?
@@romanusplayz-wx7ow That NCR no longer exists.
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So will the legion after Caesar dies. Caesars legion is fascist and will collapse in due time due to Caesars reliance on building a cult of personality instead of an actual civil administration and services. Betting on you conquering a city and only doing all that while you suffer dying of a tumor is not a smart idea
When every other faction doesn't care about gender or sexuality, it is.
I would think that anti-slavery even in an apocalypse isn’t necessarily a “progressive” ideal. That’s just basic humanity and not everyone would lose theirs.