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Guilliman, Lorgar and Angron from "Betrayer" - A 40k Dramatic Reading
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2023
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Whenever Angron doesn't just scream and starts spitting hot bars.
_and starts spitting hot bars._
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More like a little temper tantrum, as can be expected from a crybaby.
@@anirecapped. I found the Ultramar spy
@@anirecapped. He's right though. The Emperor is a tyrant: Jaghatai thought so. Angron thought so, plenty of other primarchs thought so. Compared to many contemporary human civilizations, he was a regressive tyrant. I don't care if he was some sort of psychic godlike entity, he can kiss my fucking ass when he takes away human liberty.
The Emperor is also hypocritical. He's said and done so many hypocritical things that I don't even feel the need to cite specifically one to get my point across.
He's the only option in the modern setting because he made it that way. Not because there weren't other options.
@@inwit594Yeah, that was also that option where humanity destroys itself or remains splintered and wrecked by xenos. If a united imperium struggles against something like the Tyranids, how do you suppose divided worlda would hold up ?
@@lapantony Divided? That is partially what turned up and ended with half of the imperium's elite army starting the horus heresy.
Despite the interventions that happened with chaos in the primarchs maturation, it in the end depended on emperor and his closest advisors' decision making into how to improve the predicaments that had fallen onto their expensively designed generals.
In many cases he had failed.
The Nucerians made Angron a slave, but when he joined Chaos, he chose to be a slave
I’m surprised angron actually talked instead of “AHHHHHHHHHHH”
angron used to spit the most truth out of all the primarchs.
angron was literally the most woke of them all, hes scream of freedom like william wallace, makes him the most woke and real primarch
@@npc1172 Not at all, Vulkun spits the truth.
@@Khorne__ I mean considering he was the only primarch to be a fucking slave his whole life it makes sense.
@@Khorne__ lol the woke don't call for freedom. The woke are as fascist as they come. Get real..
While Guilliman certainly is right about him still being a slave, Angron kinda has a point here lol. Given all he went through, why would he stay loyal? He was screwed from the start and Big E didn't really help those matters...
I think Guilliman understood Angron's rage after this monologue of his. Yet he didn't understand what it really means have Nails in skull. He didn't understand, how Angron could bear all that hate all this time and didn’t at least try to throw away his hate and past away. Actually, I really didn’t understand, why people just didn’t try to motivate him like "how many guys like you are right now force to kill just for scum's entertaiment in pits? How many guys are forced to kill their friends and fathers? How many guys are forced to have nails in their skulls? You know how many? Thousands and milions, and they are waiting for you to free them"
Guilliman is someone who looks to the future, who tries to make things better. What disappointed him especially was not just Angron rebelling but WHY he rebelled.
Angron is not rebelling to make things better for anyone. Angron is not rebelling due to 'morals' . Angron just hates the Emperor and wants to kill him and burn everything he built.
If the Emperor had built a literal paradise on earth, Angron would burn it down not because he objected to Paradise but because the Emperor built it.
The issue is that by accepting Chaos he's joining the side that directly caused his predicament and will have him be a slave for all eternity
@@Aravaganthus Clock it!
Guilliman was genuinely hurt here
In Dark Imperium, the Emperor says Mortarion can still be saved. But fuck that, he doesn’t deserve mercy or redemption. Angron does.
Mortarion only accepted Nurgle to save his sons from eternal suffering from Nurgle's rot
Whether he "deserves" it doesn't matter. It is impossible.
The butchers nails can't be removed without killing him, and he wouldn't allow them to be even if they could.
Demonic ascension also can't be undone. Not by any means I'm aware of.
And let's not forget that HE ordered the nails be put into all his warriors and wiped out entire worlds with these warriors.
He may have been forced to do terrible things, but the choices he did make when he had the freedom to do otherwise were just as bad.
He can not be redeemed.
@@wailmerpailhe’d already decided to be a traitor though.
Listen here at least Mortarion tried to save his sons that is why he fell , Angron? Angron killed his sons first then gave them the nails . If anyone needs redemption is Mortarion , Angron can rot in the 8 hells of the skull God.
@@kagato23 Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Mortarion's and Angron's reasons for despising the emperor very much alike? I mean like, Angron was born and raised as a slave, Mortarion was born and raised just to be tortured. Both led rebellions. Angron's failed miserably and was on the very brink of being snuffed out until the emperor saved the day. Mortarion's was at its final stage, pressured by the emperor to finish the job or he'd finish it for him, stealing Mortarion's lifetime achivement.
But heres a question regarding the original poster mranderson: Why does Angron deserve mercy and redemption but not Mortarion? Mortarion fought the same if not arguably worse oppresors than Angron did. He was adopted and raised by one of the tyrants but still saw what was wrong and led a rebellion against his own adoptive father. Whole reason for joining the traitors being he saw in the emperor what he saw in his adoptive father, a tyrant. Which you cant really deny considering the tyrants of Angron's homeworld was spared and allowed to continue what they were doing soley because they accepted to join the imperium.
Angron in the meanwhile is simply mad and joined the traitors just because the emperor wouldnt let him die. Noble, sure. But stupid- and as Robute claims: Childish. Angron could best be described as a angry teen upset their parents wont let them go to a party.
I love Angron but cmon. The only time he says anything coherent its him complaining he couldnt die with his brothers and sisters.
Mortarion on the other hand- when serving the imperium. Were so disgusted by tyranny that when he found pocket empires that treated their people like cattle he would refuse their option to surrender just so he could destroy every bit of evidence of their existence. Getting him in deep shit with the emperor.
Bottom line is: How can you blame Mortarion for turning traitor when he spent his entire life fighting tyrants just to be forced to serve a tyrant when the Emperor came around? (Shame nurgle got to him.)
worst part is both Angron and Roboute are right
Meh robuste was acting hypocritical.
Calling culture that just refused the emperor as heretical culture even if all they want is not be turned into slaves
It’s the least damage but using the word honor just doesn’t work for the emperium.
Specially since they mostly conquered human worlds
@@dumbidea1007 To us they both come off as right/ understandable, but to someone observing in universe, Robo G, is a cold A hole. EVERYTHING Angron said is true , and RG, just goes "Yeah that sucks, move on bro. ". Its easy to win the marathon when youre plopped 1cm from finish line , and that is what RG got. Angron said it "I died the day the emperor took me , and left my men to die to"
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h that depends on the "someone" doing the in-universe observing. RG's final rejoinder "too spiteful to prosper" hits home in a universe that brought humanity to the brink of extinction. The Imperium is about ensuring humanity's survival. Measured against the goal of species survival Angron's personal agonies, while moving, are petty complaints. RG had it better than Angron, but that doesn't mean he had it easy. Sure he had a loving foster father, but he also had to watch that loving father die at a traitor's hands. Instead of giving into rage over that injustice RG worked to make his world a better place. I would not say Angron ever had that option, and I cannot blame him for what he became. That said the moral difference between destructive rage and constructive justice is embodied in these characters, and that is a difference we cannot ignore.
@@theodoremccarthy4438 @user-yf4gx4rf8h Great!! Then just allow me to show up to your place with my lads and then sla****er everyone you ever held dear to your heart and then give you this grand and lofty speech about how you had an awesome life and you do not know anything of honor because of it. I'm sure it will sound like honeyed lullaby to your ears.
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h Please never procreate.
I've never seen 40k brought to life like this. Best dramatic reader I've ever heard. Bravo.
I highly recommend checking the following channels: A Vox In The Void, Warrior Tier, The Amber King, and Baldermort. Vox's performance as Angron in Warrior Tier's latest video about the Primarch was just as good as this, if not better.
Angron sounded spot on to me. That was great. I often wonder if, now that Guilliman is awake and looking out at the wreck that the Imperium has become, and is hearing the nonsense legends and myths about himself and his brothers and the Emperor, if he thinks back to this encounter with Angron. Maybe looks past the hatred and listens to his words and thinks "...Angron was right. Even in his madness, with the Nails eating at him, he was right." and mourns a brother he barely knew because of the divide between them
Angron hates that he is a slave. From one master to another, from one struggle to another impossible one. Horus Heresy is a given. A god sent. The irony is, he is still a slave in the end.
blame lorgar, in an effort to "save" angron, he sold the soul of his brother to khorne
@@saco_wea7905 well...
u do know what happens to the soul of mortals once they die in 40k, right?
@@finalboss5966 well yes, but we are talking about the soul of a primarch, it´s not like you can devour the soul of a god easily.
just ask ferrus manus or sanguinius or clongrim
@@saco_wea7905 i am actually not that well informed on the matter. Have a spare time to enlighten?
@@finalboss5966 ok. you know how the primarch were created? the emperor not only use his ADN and the ADN of erda, he also use warp energy to give them power, meaning that the primarchs are in some way warp creatures and not mere powerful mortals.
the huge example of that is corvux corax that in his adventure to hunt down lorgar he became a mutant crow, but he revealed that this is his real form.
Both have valid arguments.
Nope, only GMan. Angron comes off as just a super salty little karen.
@@anirecapped.only one salty here is you covered in G-man’s salty seed.
@@rayscott1667 Wow!! How mature!! Everyone can see who's covered in whose salty seed, lmao.
@@anirecapped. you tired hard on that one. Maybe next time
@@rayscott1667 Learn to speak proper English, mor*n.
Robot Guiltyspark had the perfect counter. Angeon isn't lying but he is too wrapped up in his hurt to grow past it and become something new.
Lorgar was a fool, I have nothing to say about him, and Angorn is a slave who has lost his future. Unfortunately, Angron was an easy prey to fall into chaos. The butcher's nails drove him into madness, he constantly remembered that his brothers were dead, and could his brothers be saved? Most people would say yes, but the Emperor was a visionary. If he could do this, be sure he would do it.
No-one understood Angron.
You can tell by how they speak to him. Not Russ, Not Lorgar, Not Guilliman.
There was no reason for loyalty, no cause to dream of the future and nothing to persuade him from the only thing he wanted.
Russ in characteristic fashion tried to teach a man who didn’t care if he died about brotherhood, yet understood none of Angron’s.
Lorgar tried to manipulate him with dreams of revenge but Angron didn’t really want revenge. Just a way to die fighting.
Guilliman waxed poetic about dreams of empire and the future to a man forced into the present. A man who could not dream and would never live to see such.
Sounds like the Loyalists tried to offer him something they value. If Angron didn't value it that's his prerogative but they did offer and he did reject. I don't know a lot about HH lore but I'm sure there other Primarchs who felt they weren't understood and didn't try to destroy civilization because of it.
@@vulkanofnocturne
Ha! No, neither of them was an offer. Both were a rebuke based on what they thought was their purpose.
Russ did not convince Angron on Gehenna in part because Russ is utterly awful at diplomacy, but fundamentally because he couldn’t comprehend that Angron didn’t care if he died, more than that, wanted to die.
Guilliman’s petulant rant about Angron stems from how he categorically cannot comprehend that Angron would see the Imperium as his enemy. Guilliman is the epitome of what Angron would categorise as a high-rider, someone who has never known the hardship of slavery, only ever knowing what it’s like to rule from above and why those below would hate him.
He thought of the Imperium as a bastion of civilisation where Angron saw where it was built on conquest.
The fact he was never understood is why they could never get through to him. Why nothing they could ‘offer’ or teach ever swayed him.
Angron was a man with such simple yet unattainable wants. He wanted his family back, and to join them by death in combat. To die fighting as they did, as he swore to them he would die with them. A promise that went unfulfilled from beyond his power to change.
To all others devoted to a sense of purpose his rationale was unthinkable. Every one of them, every Primarch but him had that aura that awed others, respected them instinctually, at the same time all but a scant two were born and bred to conquer, to lead armies and empires.
Angron did not. The pretty words of a glorious future meant nothing to a dead man, less when it all had the same markings of tyranny he spent his life suffering the yoke of.
As he himself said, without the Nails to distract him with pain and slaughter he would be a better man, one who would likely try to cleave the Emperor’s head off for his crimes, both against him and against all those forced into his Imperium.
Angron needed no convincing to join Horus’ rebellion even if he had little to respect for him either because he owed the Emperor nothing but revenge. And he was fine with tearing down the Imperium because it was the legacy of the Emperor’s tyranny, it was a system built in his image, shackled to his wants.
An empire of high-riders and their slaves, the former to be cast down, the latter to be put out of their misery.
But perhaps most importantly, this was his last chance to emulate the death he wanted, fighting great odds against a slaving tyrant just as he wanted at Desh’ea, only for Lorgar to force him into eternal servitude in a misguided sense of duty, to drag humanity into ‘enlightenment’ by force and deceit if he had to.
The other primarchs, barring perhaps Konrad Curze at the end, had ambitions, dreams and wants for the future. They did not suffer as Angron had to the point where all they wanted was to die. None of them had been forced to live the life of a slave at the whims of sadistic masters to the point that freedom was worth any cost.
When death is a relief and freedom is worth everything there is no promise of empire that means anything.
Angron didn’t set out to destroy humanity in its entirety. Just the latest in an endless line of empires that trampled him underfoot, maybe they could start again without high-riders and he could get the death he was denied.
Angron was a pathetic chaos slave who couldn't move on. There is no way to understand it because it has no meaning
Shit I didn’t realize you did 40K stuff, I’m very glad to have subscribed during the game awards stream.
Beware the wrath of a kind man.
Man... how far Angron has fallen.....
Pretty sure that was his last day as 'himself'. When he could still form coherent thoughts and sentences. When you could catch a glimpse of who he was supposed to have been, under the pain of the Nails and the horrors of his youth.
When he became a daemon prince.
THANK YOU LORGAR!
"If our position were switched, would our fates be different? Will you have my life, and you mine?"
Would Roboute, the man of logic, structure, order, and stability have weathered the pits of Nuceria? Would Angron, born to take the suffering and pain of others onto himself, have truly prospered under the loving guidance of a noble foster father?
Great dialog. Fantastic reading. Genuinely makes me respect Angron in a way I never have before.
Lorgar: waiting akwardly for his turn to speak while doing cheering hand gestures for angron
Fire as always bro
Lorgar: Imma let you two cook....
40k lore is insane,humans traveled an colonised the stars only to be cut off from one another to create their own cultures an religions over entire lifespans to be united again under the emperor. What a backdrop
Sometimes Angron makes me forget that he forced his son's to endure that same mutilation ... 😢
The conversation between Kharn and Argel'Tal where he admits to feeling nothing at all at the sight of his gene-father is heartbreaking ... they took the Nails in hopes of being closer to their father 😢
Angron should be angry at the very forces he now serves. Had they not been scattered, they'd gave grown up together, loved and protected 💔😭
Angron deserves his revenge
Lorgar be like 😶
Angron talks about honour, when he has non himself. Angron talks of freedom, when he is not only enslaved by his past and sold not only his soul, but the entire legion that looked up to him to Chaos. If he had wanted to die as a warrior and be freed of his supposed servitude to the Emperor than he should just go alone and die off by fighting against some orks. Too spiteful to learn. Too resentful to forgive. Too bitter to explore his options. I may pity his fate, but I don't condone his actions.
Angron is correct that he got a much worse hand compared to Guilliman.
Guilliman got the best adoptive parent among all primarchs while Angron got the nails.
But that is not an excuse, other primarchs had similar start (Corax, the Lion etc) and not everyone turned traitor and not all of them decided to take their anger on their legion.
Angron was a slave of the high riders, he then became a slave of his anger and finally became a slave of a chaos god.
PS. Perturabo also got a nice start like Guilliman but he is still a manchild so i think it's safe to say that you can still be a dick even with a good hand.
Angron could have been saved and redeemed if the World Eaters had focused on safely removing the nails instead of replicating them. Kharn doomed his Primarch in his blind obedience.
Angron can cry about his slaved life but he is forgotting about Corax as he lived as a Slave too and manage to free his world
Corax did have to nuke five cities to liberate his home world.
But he did free the slaves and rebuild a functioning society from what remained.
Angron would not have and could not have done that.
this is extraordinary!
AngryRon was and still is a professional victim. Eff him, its so easy to hate the bastard... This shows how amazing the writing is. Not like Roboute never faced adversity... The biggest Irony is that Roboute ended up proving AngryRon wrong multiple times both during and after the Heresy.
Bro has zero empathy in him, is it really Angron's fault for ending up on Nuceria, being enslaved, having half of his brain twisted into the butchers nails? He's doomed to end up like this, he's a tragic character - because he's a shadow of what he could have been, the empathetic primarch who eases the pain of others.
This is one of the bust scenes in the whole 40k setting.
Angron gave big blue the biggest dressing down in the whole setting and all big blue as to say is empty platitudes
RG was completely right though and I find the idea of people agreeing with Angron that a 'priveleged' person can no nothing of courage and honor disturbing.
Angron is right!!!
Angron did nothing wrong