Western Front Tank Warfare 1944 - WW2 Documentary Special

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  • čas přidán 7. 12. 2023
  • Indy takes a look at the armoured beasts battling it out on the Western Front. On the German side we have vehicles like the long-serving Panzer IV, the sleek and modern Panther, and the obnoxiously heavy King Tiger. These are arrayed against the American stalwart, the M4 Sherman, and British tanks like the up-gunned Firefly, Cromwell, and Churchill.
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Komentáře • 428

  • @WorldWarTwo
    @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +366

    Thanks to Chieftain for taking the time to help us with fixing this video! No one does tanks better than him.
    Check out his channel here: www.youtube.com/@TheChieftainsHatch

    • @davidbrennan660
      @davidbrennan660 Před 5 měsíci +6

      No ones fits into them or gets out of them quickly better in a “ Oh my tank is on fire!” kind of way.

    • @CannibaLouiST
      @CannibaLouiST Před 5 měsíci +1

      why are sweden, mongolia, turkey, afghanistan, ireland, spain, saudi arabia and argentina highlighted on the map?

    • @eriksolie4999
      @eriksolie4999 Před 5 měsíci +12

      They are all "neutral" countries @@CannibaLouiST

    • @shawnjohnson9763
      @shawnjohnson9763 Před 5 měsíci +7

      ​@@CannibaLouiSTProbably because they were all neutral.

    • @InternetDarkLord
      @InternetDarkLord Před 5 měsíci

      18:20 So I guess you will never mention the Ratte, if it was even a serious design in the first place.

  • @sliceemup2772
    @sliceemup2772 Před 5 měsíci +867

    Shout out to this team for recognizing that they made errors and reproducing the episode. The commitment to quality is outstanding.

    • @TimZandbergen
      @TimZandbergen Před 5 měsíci +8

      If they had outstanding commitment to quality, they would have done their responsibility in the first video, not only when people call out their mistakes.

    • @jasonfrench5995
      @jasonfrench5995 Před 5 měsíci +137

      ​@@TimZandbergenWere all human and we all make mistakes, These guys do a mammoth task in work and research, all mistakes happen. It's better to address them, fix them, and tell people you were wrong and make it right.

    • @Matteo_Danieli
      @Matteo_Danieli Před 5 měsíci +104

      ​@@TimZandbergenAre you for real?
      Do you know someone that has always done everything without a single error?
      So toxic

    • @fire304
      @fire304 Před 5 měsíci +12

      Agreed! Bravo Zulu to the Time Ghost team!

    • @RAD1111able
      @RAD1111able Před 5 měsíci +53

      ​@@TimZandbergenYou must be so bearable to people you interact with.

  • @spidrespidre
    @spidrespidre Před 5 měsíci +232

    Just a pure coincidence that this episode is 19 minutes 44 seconds long

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +101

      I didn't even notice till this comment, strange coincidence for sure!
      - Jake

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 Před 5 měsíci +258

    This is why you guys are the best WWII channel on youtube. You take the time to go back and fix mistakes. You guys rule!

  • @Eravel
    @Eravel Před 5 měsíci +75

    The fact that you and your team were willing to take down an old episode in the name of due diligence and commitment to quality is, frankly, inspiring. Thank you for all your work!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +3

      Thanks for watching!
      -TimeGhost Ambassador

  • @patton3338
    @patton3338 Před 5 měsíci +34

    Really impressed by your willingness to admit the mistakes, and actively working to fix them.
    A strength of character far too rare in the modern day.

  • @Beowulf_DW
    @Beowulf_DW Před 5 měsíci +86

    This team hardly ever ceases to impress me in just about everything you all do. Thank you!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +9

      Thank you very much and thanks for watching!

  • @dr.victorvs
    @dr.victorvs Před 5 měsíci +15

    Glad you got your tanks fixed. It's hard to get parts, sometimes. You have my tanks.

  • @marcress
    @marcress Před 5 měsíci +93

    There is one advantage of the 75mm gunned Sherman M-4 that is seldom recognized. It had a short gun barrel which allowed the tank to move more easily through thick forest and built up areas. This maneuverability gave its crews the ability to move onto the opposition's flanks to get those good shots against their tanks.

    • @jamesseiter4576
      @jamesseiter4576 Před 5 měsíci +18

      I agree with the Chieftain. It was the best tank of the war.

    • @gregbailey1753
      @gregbailey1753 Před 5 měsíci +13

      And easy to ship by rail and sea.

    • @jeghaterdegforfaen
      @jeghaterdegforfaen Před 5 měsíci +2

      That's a thing in an old Clint Eastwood movie, Kelly's Heroes.

    • @onylra6265
      @onylra6265 Před 5 měsíci

      Good thing the Germans were totally ignorant and inept at warfare, and never realised this astounding truth every World of Tanks player knows and tailor their tactics accordingly!
      It's just a historical fact that allied tankers were overjoyed at being forced into armored knife-fights because of their hopelessly inferior range... If they were lucky.
      You've only got one life chum - this shit is not a videogame, and war is about more than logistics.

    • @sidetracknick3984
      @sidetracknick3984 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Another reason the 75 was preferred was easy/faster loading. This is why the IS-2's sucked compared to IS-1s, in my opinion. The 85 on the IS-1 could put more rounds down the range faster with an adequate round for most jobs, just as the 75 sherman could.

  • @WWFanatic0
    @WWFanatic0 Před 5 měsíci +27

    It's so refreshing to see content creation where mistakes are rectified. It's easy to get things mixed up now and then, especially with the sheer length and volume of a channel like this. So many others would just let it slide or make a note on the original if that. Props to you guys for the reupload and production quality here!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +3

      We appreciate the kind comment, thank you!

    • @JarodFarrant
      @JarodFarrant Před 22 dny

      @@WorldWarTwo since there’s a film about Pattons Panthers(761st tank battalion) I was wondering if you make a special mention of that battalion other black combat units from the USA because I believe they deserve more recognition.

  • @kearki
    @kearki Před 5 měsíci +37

    Strongpoint : "I am a strongpoint ! Nothing can change me."
    Petard : *launch 13kg of explosive*
    Not-so-strong-point : "Understandable, have a great day."

    • @Kevin-mx1vi
      @Kevin-mx1vi Před 5 měsíci +10

      A school friend's dad served in Normandy and witnessed petard mortars being fired at German bunkers. Apparently, the blast they created was phenomenal, and I remember him telling us about the crew of one bunker surrendering because even though none of them were injured or killed by the first shot, they were so shaken by it that they simply didn't want to be on the receiving end of another !

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo2001 Před 5 měsíci +19

    Might have wanted to point out that the Allies had heavy tank losses, especially to mines (if memory serves 25% of write offs were to mines, but due to high survivability of the crews they quickly jumped into new Tanks. It was amazing how the Allies were able to get such massive numbers of armor and vehicles across the channel especially without a good port until Antwerp was opened but very late in the war. It was the abilityto build logistic vehicles in massive numbers in terms of ships and specialized carriers and trucks, as well as armor recovery vehicles, that created the Allied Western Front juggernaut.

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 Před 5 měsíci +3

      The History Guy did a video about the hurdles overcome to deliver the B29s on time.
      You are correct the people of that time moved mountains.

  • @ocelot3607
    @ocelot3607 Před 5 měsíci +20

    I have to give tremendous props and thanks to the team for going the extra effort in not only recognizing and admitting the errors, but then going further and re-releasing this episode with help from The Chieftain! This is exactly why I love this channel and all the content you produce. I'm super grateful that the concerns were listened to and you took action!
    I'll continue as ever to watch all the videos you guys put out until the very end of this war. It seems so close yet so elusive!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Chieftain was a great help to us with this one! Thanks for watching.

  • @1stukrainianfront
    @1stukrainianfront Před 5 měsíci +43

    This channel never disappoints, beautiful descriptions and accurate information. Props to realising mistakes and improving on them. Great as always!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +5

      Thank you very much for watching, be sure to check out The Chieftain who helped us out with this one if you haven't already!

  • @nathanielokkonen643
    @nathanielokkonen643 Před 5 měsíci +29

    I watched you guys since the beginning. You’re the best and keep doing what you’re doing

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +4

      Thanks for the lovely comment, and thanks for being with us for so long!

  • @thomaswilloughby9901
    @thomaswilloughby9901 Před 5 měsíci +18

    Well done, kudos to Indy and the entire crew and the Chieftain!

  • @NickRatnieks
    @NickRatnieks Před 5 měsíci +11

    Great concise episode with the precision of the Chieftain keeping it rolling along and hitting the target.

  • @Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
    @Bullet-Tooth-Tony- Před 5 měsíci +14

    The tank combat in the Western front is so underrated. During the Battle ‘Operation Epsom’, the British had a concentration of Panzers facing them that was only second to the Battle of Kursk. Seven and a half armoured divisions inc 3x SS and the Panzer Lehr *on a front of just 62 miles* compared to over 600 miles on the Eastern front.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve Před 5 měsíci +2

      Absolutely true! There were more tanks per square mile between Caen and Bayeux during the Battle for Normandy than at Kursk. People just don't realize how grim that fighting was. The heaviest, most concentrated tank warfare of WW2!

  • @neilwilson5785
    @neilwilson5785 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Correcting errors is a noble activity. Only fakers and authoritarians refuse to do it. Great respect for the updated video!

  • @JaimeWulf
    @JaimeWulf Před 5 měsíci +4

    As soon as you said "The Chieftain" I was even more sure of accuracy... TY...

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      He sure knows his stuff! Thanks for watching.

  • @tysonfreeman3682
    @tysonfreeman3682 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Thank you so much Indy. I think the tanks are one of the most disputed arguments of which side had the best tanks in all of ww2.

  • @JohnSmith-jj2yd
    @JohnSmith-jj2yd Před 5 měsíci +7

    Bravo to the team for taking the feedback onboard and producing a great video. Very few channels would've done this; this is why you're one of the best channels on CZcams! Bravo! 👏

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching this one!

  • @garychandler7632
    @garychandler7632 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I appreciate your dedication to accurate telling of history on this channel. Letting us know you got it wrong in another video and then releasing the corrected version I know wasn't cheap. That's why I'm a member of the Time Ghost Army. I've been watching Indy since The Great War series. I know its not just Indy but he is the face of that franchise and this for all intents and purposes. Much appreciate the HOURS of entertainment.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks for being a member of the TimeGhost army Gary, and cheers for watching!

  • @cleburne1863
    @cleburne1863 Před 5 měsíci +2

    You guys are a class act for taking the time to redo this. Bravo.

  • @elbeto191291
    @elbeto191291 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I'm kind of an WW2 armored vehicle nerd and I really like that you took down the previous video and improved on it to better reflect on the armor used by both sides. Kudos TimeGhost!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Big thanks to Chieftain for having a look at this, and a thank you to you for watching!

  • @rafaelrmaier
    @rafaelrmaier Před 5 měsíci +5

    Really appreciate you guys recognizing the error, going back and correcting the video! You rock!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      And we appreciate the lovely comment!

  • @user-iw8pg8kq2q
    @user-iw8pg8kq2q Před 5 měsíci +4

    Remember, no one makes a perfect plan. But WW2 in real time comes pretty darn close.
    Also, war is hell! So my grateful tks 2 Indy, and everyone else connected 2 the Time Ghost Army.
    Merry Christmas 2 everyone, and a happy, and safe New Year.😊

  • @thomasknobbe4472
    @thomasknobbe4472 Před 5 měsíci +2

    All writers, even the great ones, need an editor. You just happen to have an entire fanbase. So glad you were able to fix this, with the help of the Chieftain, so that we could enjoy it without the occasional wince. This won't stop the Sherman-haters, but it puts its status in 1944 in balanced, accurate context. Which is what you do best. On to Berlin!

  • @ssgtmole8610
    @ssgtmole8610 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you Time Ghost Army and Chieftain!

  • @Jetiiluigi
    @Jetiiluigi Před 5 měsíci +5

    Holy crap I was looking for this episode! I thought I was insane and imagined it!

  • @silvermikeGA
    @silvermikeGA Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thank you for redoing this episode. I remembered the first release and thought it was not up to your typical quality. Never easy.

  • @Maus5000
    @Maus5000 Před 5 měsíci +7

    A couple pieces of interesting Panzer minutia for the coming Bulge fighting and the last part of 1944 in general
    The Bulge fighting will see the deployment of a small number of Jagdpanzer 38 "Hetzer" with their main guns replaced with flame throwers. Hitler personally approved construction of 20-30. They will not prove effective and this will be their only deployment I am aware of
    Also in the offensive Tiger Ausf B will for the first time be used with a substantially new track. The Tiger B's first track design was composed of alternating "shoe" and "connecting" links. The original connecting link was composed of multiple different parts hinged off the same pin(s) and was propelled by an 18 tooth sprocket. This arrangement proved prone to uneven premature wear on the sprocket wheel, and common failure of the flimsy connecting links. The second track design merged this connecting link into one large solid unit, and removed every other sprocket tooth, bringing it down to 9. This track was acceptable, but soon we will see the introduction of the improved type. This new design will discard the alternating links idea, and simplify it down to a single link and pin. The 18 tooth sprocket will return, at first in its original form for the field trials in the upcoming offensive, and in 1945 in a new form with wider tooth bases.
    November saw Krupp present a far reaching series of proposals to the Reichs office of armored vehicle design to re-arm the panzers i na variety of ways. These included : fitting the PzKpfw IV turret to the JgPz 38 "Hetzer" chassis, fitting the PzKpfw IV hull with a new improved design of Panther turret, making a tank destroyer on the Panther chassis with a 12,8cm gun in a rear casemate similar to a Ferdinand/Elefant but with sloped armor, re-arming the Tiger B with a 10,5cm gun, and re-arming the Jagdtiger with a 12,8cm gun with a longer barrel. Virtually all of these proposals were thrown out immediately. The German school of armored vehicle design is out of touch with the situation on the ground and led by independent actors pulling in different, often self-serving directions. Such is the Third Reich

  • @revolrz22
    @revolrz22 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I was a critic of your last video on this topic. I'm still wondering if the researcher (or researchers) behind it were okay. It all came off as some sort of poorly-researched, last minute essay for a high school project. This iteration is far superior and much more fitting for the standards of this channel. You guys have done a bang-up job, and I am thoroughly impressed that your team actually went through the trouble of correcting the mistakes.

  • @huma474
    @huma474 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Much better video than the first version. Great job adding the updated content !

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Glad to hear you enjoyed the new and improved version, thanks for watching.

  • @thunderK5
    @thunderK5 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Thanks for redoing this video, TimeGhost. Your commitment to accuracy is admirable.

  • @sfs2040
    @sfs2040 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This sounds exactly like a Chieftain video in disguise! Well done getting the best in the business to check your work guys!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks for watching!
      -TimeGhost Ambassador

  • @Soundbrigade
    @Soundbrigade Před 5 měsíci +2

    Tanks a lot of a deep dive into the Western fields of tankery!

  • @ltdannichols
    @ltdannichols Před 5 měsíci +1

    You actually cared enough, and spent the money, to reproduce more accurate quality.....Gentlemen and Ladies of Timeghost, I applaud you with sincere appreciation and respect. No one else does what you do.

  • @rodeastell3615
    @rodeastell3615 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks to Indy and all involved.

  • @kenoliver8913
    @kenoliver8913 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The king of the WW2 battlefield was a tank - ANY tank - that was actually makes it to the battlefield in working order; the Sherman was probably the most reliable tank ever made and that is a very underrated asset. Also one thing glided over here is that quantitatively the most devastating destroyer of German tanks on the Western Front was not an antitank gun, whether on an armoured vehicle tank or towed, but Typhoons and Mustangs, enabled by allied air superiority.

    • @Dreachon
      @Dreachon Před 5 měsíci +1

      Aircraft performed abysmal in the role of tankdestroyer, they were nothing short of crap at taking out tanks.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Před 4 měsíci

      @Dreachon
      Indeed. Only about 5% of all German tanks were taken out by air power including carpet bombing such as Goodwood.

    • @Dreachon
      @Dreachon Před 4 měsíci

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Exactly, aircraft were one of the worst weapons when it came to takin out enemy tanks.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Dreachon
      Yes, notoriously inaccurate.

  • @iamnolegend2519
    @iamnolegend2519 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It’s commendable that you admit your errors and correct them. Well done gentlemen.

  • @darylc9332
    @darylc9332 Před 5 měsíci +3

    As always, great videos. Merry Christmas to one & all, along with a Happy New Year.

  • @chrisedwards4403
    @chrisedwards4403 Před 5 měsíci

    Fantastic insight guys - I can but imagine the research that goes into this. Top work. 👍🏻

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you guys for making the effort to reupload the video after correcting the errors. A shoutout to Chieftain for helping out too!

  • @ablackghostmyguy3741
    @ablackghostmyguy3741 Před 5 měsíci +2

    LETS GO this is why i love the timeghost team, they recognized the problems and fixed them not to mention they bring on the chieftain to help

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Happy to hear you enjoyed this version!

  • @MrGreenotwo
    @MrGreenotwo Před 5 měsíci +1

    Again thank you all for all the amazing work you do in keeping this History alive. Great video as always WW2 crew.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks for the sweet comment and thank you for watching!

  • @bigwoody4704
    @bigwoody4704 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Excellent compilation thank you,I knew about the the 75s/76s but the order theywere used and different purposes with different loads is explained very clearly.Also was sketchy on the Cromwell and it's place in the fray made sense to use that with the flame thrower as the thick armor would have protected the crew from certain incineration with a direct hit.These units still needed the faster Shermans(Fire Fly for protection)

  • @jasonmussett2129
    @jasonmussett2129 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Love these specials. Happy Holidays to the Time Ghost team☃️🎅

  • @JonathanWrightSA
    @JonathanWrightSA Před 5 měsíci +7

    Contemporary analysis of the Panther based on functionally restored versions suggest that there was not anything really 'wrong' about the transmission per se. Rather, it was poorly used and overly abused by inexperienced drivers, producing unnecessary and excessive wear and tear. If you use anything wrong enough, it will explode or break.

    • @Maus5000
      @Maus5000 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Restored vehicle analysis would be based off of a sample of entirely later Ausf A and G machines. I do believe that by 1944 the Panther's reliability problems were largely solved, but the Ausf D is documented as having serious final drive and transmission related issues; in February 1943 the entire production run to that point was recalled for overhaul in an attempt that did apparent little to avert the experience at Kursk which taints the Panther's reputation to this day. Whether that Kursk-performance reputation is truly deserved is also up for debate though

    • @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
      @BlitkriegsAndCoffee Před 5 měsíci +2

      Which analysis are you speaking of?
      The French used the Panther for twice as long as the Germans ever did, and they *hated* the damn things. With the engine and final gear always cited as to why.

    • @Maus5000
      @Maus5000 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@BlitkriegsAndCoffee You made an excellent point in your other comment about the minimal spare parts production to maximize completed vehicle output. How much did this play into the aging French fleet's performance? I would imagine they were very long in the tooth by then; my first instinct is to take the French experience with a grain of salt when trying to draw conclusions about the Germans'.
      Then again, were any of the Panthers 'new' like the REME ones? As I recall those REME ones had some weird manufacturer error? Though I may be mistaken on that, not to digress entirely...

    • @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
      @BlitkriegsAndCoffee Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@Maus5000 Some were built by the British post war using German technicicans and factories, the rest were salvage from the 100s that littered the French countryside.
      While I'm sure parts were an issue, the French also got to operate them with experience crews, plenty of petrol, and operated them during peacetime conditions. They had many advantages when using them over their German counterparts.
      And despite all that, they were still only able to get 150km out of the final drive.
      The best collection of information on French Panzers that I'm aware of is the Paper 'Le Panzer 1947', but google is failing me at the moment. It more or less comes to the same conclusion as the internet in that he armor and gun were great, but it was plagued with reliability and repair issues. (along with some more interesting notes like how a Smoke Grenade along the engine deck would light the tank on fire)

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Před 4 měsíci

      @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
      The French only had As and early Gs and lacked the ability to properly maintain them. Plenty of GERMAN reports that counter the French report, with reports of 1,000km before the final drive broke.
      1st Panzer Division on the Eastern Front in March 1944 for example.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent work Indy & team. Thanks to Chieftan for being the subject matter expert.

  • @mohammedsaysrashid3587
    @mohammedsaysrashid3587 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Well done. Episode, thank you for sharing .

  • @ToddSauve
    @ToddSauve Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you Chieftain for combing through the script to assure its accuracy! And thank you Indy and the whole Time Ghost team for putting these programs out for us to consume! We enjoy your efforts a great deal! 👌😏💖

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +2

      We appreciate the lovely comment, thank you so much!

  • @Jarod-vg9wq
    @Jarod-vg9wq Před 5 měsíci +4

    Yes! Love your specials!

  • @onekill31
    @onekill31 Před 5 měsíci +3

    When Indy talks about the pros and cons of both 75mm and 76mm within 4:00 - 4:25, I just remember that Sherman in the first Company of Heroes game. The M4 Sherman tank there has the 75mm as a default main gun and you can upgrade it to M1A1C 76mm if you want it. The 75mm has a blast radius which can decimate infantry and weapons support teams but it has an okay damage to heavy-armored vehicles. This is where the 76mm is needed. Once you upgraded it with 76mm, its armor penetration increases but it has a lesser damage to infantry though it has a different way to counter infantry units like it has a .50 Cal M2HB Browning Heavy Machine Gun.

  • @finlayfraser9952
    @finlayfraser9952 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Indy, the Ferdinand was never deployed in fighting on the North West European front. The survivors from the Eastern front, post Kursk, saw some action in Italy as mobile blockhouses, and I believe a few ended their days in Hungary. Not nit picking of course!

  • @toron8418
    @toron8418 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great job as always.

  • @edmundcowan9131
    @edmundcowan9131 Před 4 měsíci

    As always amazing detail that is rarely found in books. 👍

  • @alisilcox6036
    @alisilcox6036 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Kinda knew you would do this and im really glad. This channel isnt *just* youtube, its education - with a commitment to academic rigour even some academics on youtube don't reach.
    As i said in the initial community post, i would love to see an analysis of the errors made and why. This isnt because i feel you as a channel have anything to answer for or correct, but because its a fadcinating opportunity to learn about the traps and mistakes that can exist in research (especially when youre a generalist or youre approaching a specific discipline or subject as an expert in another where greater expertise exists).
    If you were to do this, I'd love it, and I'd imagine we would see no reference to who specifically was doing the research or the workings of the channel aside from regarding research. Id also completely understand if a video like that- "how honest historians make mistakes" might present too much of a minfield or be viewed outside the scope of the channel.
    In terms of honesty and rigour, this video is enough - id just like to see this analysis as an interesting discussion and an opportunity to educate.

  • @HeadOfBusiness
    @HeadOfBusiness Před 5 měsíci

    This channel is absolutely amazing. Thank you for all the hard work.

  • @alankjosness2093
    @alankjosness2093 Před 2 měsíci +1

    My father fought in the Second World War as an artillery observer with the 67nd Armored Field Artillery Battalion. The unit was primarily in combat from March 1942 in North Africa to Germany in the early spring of 1945. The unit's primary weapon during those years was the M7 105mm Artillery Motor Carriage, (adapted from the Sherman's frame and later nicknamed "Priest" by the British). According to Dad's recollection, the M7's agility brought the 62nd into some pretty hairy scraps - including a second wave landing of observers on Omaha Beach on D-day morning. I bring this up because, while your program is generally quite informatve, the M7's and other artillery units contributions to our defeat of the Nazis goes largely ignored.

  • @kellyshistory306
    @kellyshistory306 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Glad you guys redid the video.

  • @jerradray1674
    @jerradray1674 Před 2 měsíci

    What a great channel, new to it. WWII buff myself, 30 years old and show my kids these videos to inform them as well as entertain. Theyre into it lol Tanks alot

  • @shawnr771
    @shawnr771 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you for the lesson.

  • @bencejuhasz6459
    @bencejuhasz6459 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Congratulations,it was a superb episode!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Shout-out to The Chieftain for helping! Thank you for watching.

    • @bencejuhasz6459
      @bencejuhasz6459 Před 5 měsíci

      @@WorldWarTwo It was an excellent idea to ask him for help. The previous version was problematic to say the least.

  • @jakoverslept3096
    @jakoverslept3096 Před 5 měsíci

    great job updating. Im a big war thunder and i love tanks so this episode is awesome.

  • @KVW22
    @KVW22 Před 2 měsíci

    These videos should have way, way higher view counts. Very well done, and very much appreciated, please keep up spectacular work like this.

  • @davidmehling4310
    @davidmehling4310 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Have a copy of the game Panzer Leader from 1974 and almost all the vehicles in this video are represented in there by counters. Values assigned to each tank are somewhat abstract to simplify the game, but represent attack, defense, speed, and range. I can see correlation between those values and attributes in this and other videos such as firepower, armour, engines, and crew quality

  • @yes_head
    @yes_head Před 5 měsíci +1

    Mr. Moran (the Chieftain) has a great presentation about why the Sherman was the best tank in Europe that's highly recommended. Like many I was skeptical at first but he makes a great argument for the Sherman when you take ALL factors into consideration.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Except it wasn't the best tank. There was no best tank. Each country had different requirements.
      The Germans would have fared worse with Shermans.

  • @FirstStrikeSabre
    @FirstStrikeSabre Před 5 měsíci +1

    I wasn’t really paying attention, just playing CZcams in the background.
    When you got to talking about Sherman guns, I was thinking “hey it sounds like they’re using the Chieftain as a source”
    As it so happens lol. Just classic Chieftain Sherman talking points.

  • @callumgordon1668
    @callumgordon1668 Před 5 měsíci

    Great episode. Errors revised. This is likely better than the episode you intended to make. Very commendable.

  • @renegadeleader1
    @renegadeleader1 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I'd love to see you do something like this with a special on aircraft.

  • @DropB3arZ
    @DropB3arZ Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks for fixing this video, the 1st had some glaring issues, as I pointed out and noticed you seemed to have mentioned re the Centaur

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo2001 Před 5 měsíci +3

    The Maus humor was unexpected and hilarious.... Squeak!!! LOL. Good one.

  • @DesertAres
    @DesertAres Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks for a great video. Am surprised the Firefly was not mentioned more. It was an up-gunned terror of a tank that blinded it's own crew temporarily if they didn't blink while firing it and set fire to many hedges and undergrowth in front of it while firing.

  • @divarachelenvy
    @divarachelenvy Před 5 měsíci +1

    you all have integrity... Well done..

  • @Eonian
    @Eonian Před 5 měsíci +3

    19 44 long, nice

  • @guusandveronieterwoorst6378
    @guusandveronieterwoorst6378 Před 5 měsíci +2

    just wondering, but in the war against humanity series quite it was said that the strategic bombing did not have effect. but now it is claim that tank production got hampered by bombing.
    great episode, as always

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards2457 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Close air support is worth a 'special' of its own. Specialist Fighter Ground Attack (FGA) were were well integrated in an efficient system with experienced Fowrward Air controllers (FAC) in a revolutionarily effective system.... by later 1944 this was neccessary as combat fatigue had taken a toll and as it was 'end war', neither infantry or armour wanted to risk advances without it on call.

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain Před 5 měsíci +3

    I would have added one thing: You mention that the main weakness of American armor in Normandy was the inexperience of the crews, by the time the Allies are approaching Germany this is no longer the case. At the Battle of Arracourt in September of 1944 experienced American forces are turning the tables on well equipped but inexperienced German Panzer formations.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Před 4 měsíci

      @MakeMeThinkAgain
      Arracourt was an anomaly. The Americans then got next to nowhere for the next six months, with even a retreat in the Ardennes.

  • @daviddura1172
    @daviddura1172 Před 5 měsíci

    always interesting and revealing

  • @blueboats7530
    @blueboats7530 Před 5 měsíci

    In the first version I got snagged hard on the bad reference to GMC... so glad to hear that go by smoothly now

  • @whtghst8105
    @whtghst8105 Před 5 měsíci

    I wait with bated breath for each new episode, thanks men for your in depth account of ww2 and the little things that made the allies victory.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you for your kind words and continued support!
      -TimeGhost Ambassador

  • @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
    @BlitkriegsAndCoffee Před 5 měsíci +5

    Well you can definitely tell Chieftan's fingerprints all over this script. Its more or less a rehash of several of his talks, and contains many more obscure technical details about tank improvements than the Eastern Front one. (Especially the Sherman part, which is longer than the discussion about all the other American tanks combined)
    I really don't like how the modern speakers have started lumping the Panther and Tiger together and calling them rare. Tigers were rare, Panthers were as common as Panzer IVs, and a Plurality by the time of the Battle of the Bulge. Zaloga also notes that the 76mm was seen as a disappointment by Tank Crews, as it had a weaker HE round, no smoke round, and still couldn't punch through the front of a Panther at combat ranges, with a group from 3rd Armored outright refusing the upgrade initially despite seeing more tank on tank action than just about anyone. Regardless, Allied Tankers consistently overcame their opposing counterparts through better use of combined arms and superior numbers.
    For the Gemans, Panzer Brigades weren't the answer in the West. Commonwealth and American forces has far more anti tank weaponry spread among their divisions and could whittle down the counter attacks far more effectively than the Soviets. Training was also a major issue for the Germans. Allied tankers noted the decreasing quality of German tankers, and how routinely they began making mistakes. German armor designed for the eastern front suffered heavily in the west, where the terrain forced combat to be at much shorter ranges, and eliminating the Germans primary advantage. Finally, the endurance on these tanks just wasn't there. Germany had kept production high by basically eliminating spare part production, and German tanks were notoriously difficult to repair in the field. Often German armored assaults would create fantastically lopsided local breakthroughs against the Allies only to be enveloped and abandoned a week later. The ideal weapon for video games and selling books, late war german tanks were fantastic at winning the battle only to lose the war.

    • @Maus5000
      @Maus5000 Před 5 měsíci +1

      An excellent comment, thank you for adding this. I am also dismayed about the frequent downplaying of Panther's deployment (numerically speaking) in particular. I wonder if this is related to the common fixation to call it a "heavy tank" and in this way also lump it with the Tigers

    • @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
      @BlitkriegsAndCoffee Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Maus5000 In my opinion, the reasons the Panther remains such a controversial German Tank is because weight wise it is a Heavy Tank, but the Germans tried to use it the same way you would a Medium Tank. This in turn means that people tend to call it whichever one bests suits their argument at the time.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před 3 měsíci

    Nicely done video

  • @mgway4661
    @mgway4661 Před 5 měsíci

    Love you guys. Cheers 🍻

  • @Nekrosmas
    @Nekrosmas Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thumbs up to the fixed episode!

  • @KrazyKupo
    @KrazyKupo Před 5 měsíci

    Great work, only possible goof I still noticed was a minor one of talking about the Archer but showing footage of either an M10 or an Achilles though that's probably more because footage of Archers is quite rare. Possibly because they were so sneaky, or just embarrased that their gun was on backwards.
    It's quite interesting that a lot of conceptions and stereotypes are now being challenged about WW2 armour though it makes it understandably tricky to be accurate in a summary/overview video.

  • @Significantpower
    @Significantpower Před 5 měsíci +6

    Little fact about the Crocodile tank, the crews got bonus hazard pay, as they were liable to be beaten or worse if taken prisoner (compared to other tankers who were mostly treated acccording to international law). The Germans HATED flame tanks.

  • @dansmith4077
    @dansmith4077 Před 5 měsíci

    Great video

  • @janlindtner305
    @janlindtner305 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Terribly good episode.👍👍👍Merry Chrismas too you all❤👍🤟

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Merry Christmas!
      -TimeGhost Ambassador

  • @firingallcylinders2949
    @firingallcylinders2949 Před 5 měsíci +14

    Kind of stinks the Pershing rolled out so late. We only have a very small sample size of combat. The M26 was a really cool heavy allied tank.

    • @Significantpower
      @Significantpower Před 5 měsíci +3

      It saw more action in Korea, performed well when the terrain allowed.

  • @mrgunn2726
    @mrgunn2726 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Quantity has a quality all its own!

  • @bobperrine6193
    @bobperrine6193 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I met a man who fought in the panzers on the Easter front in a Tiger. He said they would kill 10 Russian tanks while a 100 would go around them.

  • @rickglorie
    @rickglorie Před 5 měsíci

    Good you kept the not-so-strong-points joke in. Didn't notice errors in the first round, good job you came back though.

  • @george217
    @george217 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Are you guys going to do anything "special " for the Battle of the Bulge?

  • @imagremlin875
    @imagremlin875 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love this channel.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks so much for watching!
      -TimeGhost Ambassador

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket Před 5 měsíci

    Kudos to the WW2 'gang' (Indy et al) to admit mistakes and bring in an 'expert' to help re-tool a video.
    👍

  • @UncleJoeLITE
    @UncleJoeLITE Před 5 měsíci +2

    Things are closing in...

  • @Conn30Mtenor
    @Conn30Mtenor Před 4 měsíci

    Props to the "This Tank is Too Small For Me" Chieftan.

  • @InfiniteDroidArmies
    @InfiniteDroidArmies Před 5 měsíci +2

    Bravo World War Two team!