A 'Retro' PC Handheld with Keyboard // AYANEO Slide Review
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- The AYANEO Slide is a new Windows handheld with a Ryzen 7840U processor. In this video, we review the AYANEO Slide's design, thermals, and gaming performance.
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timestamps
00:00 - Intro / Retro Unboxing
02:47 - Specs
03:20 - Price
03:37 - AYANEO Slide vs. GPD Win 4
07:53 - Size Comparisons & Build Quality
11:08 - Sliding Mechanism
12:07 - Ergonomics
13:27 - Power Consumption & Benchmarks
14:50 - Slide vs. Win 4 Thermals
16:02 - Performance Testing / Thoughts
The device in this video is a media prototype and was provided to me for this video. If you decide to buy this product, I will not make any money. The company also did not provide me with any financial incentive for this video.
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I feel the sudden urge to dive into analog media after that unboxing experience. First stop, Walkman.
Oh yeah
Answer: no it isn't worth it
Yes it is@@onion_____
Never go Nakamichi. Just, too much for the benefit.
I think it's cool if I had the money to spend id definitely buy it. life is better when you have things like this coming out.
I think the official definition of retro is ~20 years old, so we're definitely entering an era where the PS2, NGC, Xbox, GBA, NDS and yes, also the Sidekick, can be considered retro, kinda scary.
Oh god hl 2 is retro and the ps3 is retro how old am i the ps3 is considerd retro in stores.
@@Manhackarcadeisfun PS2, not PS3 - we're not quite there _yet_ :P
@@Yuzuki1337 Yea but in some places they consider it retro for some reason. I think in 4-5 years it will be in retro but my favorite game of all time hl 2 is 19 years old and still looks decent nowadays man i will need to cal half life 2 retro next year.
@@Yuzuki1337ikr😢
@@Manhackarcadeisfun Maaaan, we're gonna love these conversations aren't we? 🤣
"Hey what's your favorite retro game?"
"I dunno man, HL2 or maybe GTA San Andreas"
*visible eye twitch*
At some point they'll already have made all possible handheld designs, and they will only be able to refresh old models
Honestky i like the choices like a dual screen is mot.some6hing i thought i would want until i saw it just sidh yhey could get the prices down a bit more
@@kontonce89the clamshell handheld PC looks awesome to me
Conceptually I'd like a dual screen handheld, but the renders they've shown so far look almost like bad AI renders, the layout just seems so haphazard.
Thats why Legion Go was such an interesting product to me cuz its so different
I think a PC with slide mechanism could be considered retro, since it does give me nostalgia.
I am a Japanese who used to love Sony products, and they have created few devices in the early 2000s with this kind of slide mechanism, such as Vaio U, mylo and CLIE VZ-90.
Not sure if the video tape packaging is an hommage to Sony (since Sony created Betamax and not VHS), but I would definitely like to know why AYANEO chose this packaging.
Psp go for me is particularly nostalgic
The Sidekick is definitely a retro device at this point, but I wouldn't think about it in the same breath as a VHS tape, despite both being in use at the same time. That said, while the Slide's layout is similar to the Sidekick, it's stylings are completely different so it seems to be a bit of a stretch IMO, to say that this device is designed after it. I definitely hadn't thought "Sidekick" when thinking about the slide until you mentioned it at any rate.
That's the really messed up thing about time and having a lack of age. To us who experienced it in real time the VHS and the sidekick were in two completely different eras but, to these kids, they think they were popular at the same time.
@@lordnikonx ehhh, I mean the era of the VHS was coming to a close when the sidekick was around, but DVD was still insanely expensive at the time and most people were still watching/using VHS
@@Yixdy I guess that's fair. I just vividly remember watching a 6 year old watch and rewatch a DVD of Finding Nemo daily until it was unplayable, the year I had my Sidekick 3.
Cell phones were a 2000 thing and VHS tapes were an '80s and '90s thing so ya DVD was what we watched movies on in the 2000s.
I didn't even know that the Lord of the rings came on VHS tape until many many years later when I saw it at a thrift store because of how I knew when Lord of the rings came out. I was alive at that time and remember it.
Slide is 00s 2002, VHS is 80s-90s. DVDs 95-00s, Blu Ray 06- digital
the design of this looks amazing, they should just keep it as is for a couple gens and just upgrade internals
Hey Taki, next time you make a ‘Q&A’ video, please include a section on your table backgrounds! They’re always so aesthetically pleasing and somehow match perfectly with the device and background color. Really beautiful stuff.
Thank you for reviewing these wonderful devices that I can't afford! 😂
I really want one, so I guess you've given me a long-term goal. They are great machines and you are an excellent reviewer 😁👍
I've ordered a GPD Win Mini, which I'm pretty hyped for, but I'm so glad there is lots of competition in this space. We've come a long way in handheld pc gaming. 🎉
That being said I’ll be very interested to see how the Aya Neo Flip compares when it’s finally out for review.
I personally do think the GPD Win Mini is the better choice. The 7in, 120hz screen in a smaller form factor is a big plus for me. The price is also identical. Although really it comes down to personal preference.
Am ordering mines on February fr especially since it has lte Wi-Fi to go outside with
I wanted to like the Mini so much, but the portrait screen kinda ruined it for me. Also, the heat in the DPAD-ABXY area, even with the new shell, isn't too comforting. I grabbed a $500 Win 4 in the latest sale, here's hoping I didn't make a huge mistake
The win mini is sooooo amazing ur gonna love it
I had the original black and white T-mobile sidekick, that was in 2002 so I'd say yeah, anything over 20 years is retro at this point (when it came out I was 22, boy do I feel old)
Damn, the lack of a headphone jack makes this a far less attractive handheld. All “premium” handhelds require a headphone jack, period. Valve just changed the game with the Steam Deck OLED.
What the absolute hell i didn't even notice that at first, why on earth would they do that? It costs so much money and they just have to stop giving us a simple headphone jack just because? unbelievable...
@@CarbonPanther I was so surprised I looked up the cost of a simple analog preamp to get an idea of cost of integration for Ayaneo. They’re $3 USD. It’s beyond me why they would omit that but we’re talking Ayaneo here, the same folks behind the Pocket.
You’re old man. Welcome to the club. Looks like that’s the demographic they are aiming for with this product. I’m intrigued.
You were the one that finally convinced me to go with the Win 4 and I've never thanked you. I've put hundreds of hours into it at work and in hotels and love it just as much as the day I received it. If I ever replace it, it will be with the refresh. They nailed it.
How do you like holding it?
@3dtheking I prefer heavier devices and find the form factor comfortable for long sessions. I often play it for 3-4 hours at a time with no issues. It does get quite warm but it's nothing that bothers me.
@@Platypus_Farts you don't have like a grip thing attached to it and how you play with the screen up or down what model you have the 6800u or the 7480u
@@3dtheking 6800u and no grip or any attachments
@@Platypus_Farts what made you go with that model
That's a premium unboxing experience.
those springs form the backside were so satisfying
This looks like a good future for handheld gaming. too bad of its pricing though.
Just say you are broke...
my guy doesn't know average wage and cost of living.
must be nice to get everything you want from your parent's pocket.
@@Tyretes Here its crazy. And for this amount of money, i think it might be better to get the steam deck
@@Tyretes my parents are probably more broke than you are my friend, I am blessed to have a company that makes me plenty of money.
@@derekrosas1593Do you call your employees broke too?
the number of backers for Ayaneo Slide is less than 180. The ayaneo slide was leaked around the same time as the GPD win 4 back in 2022. The handheld PC is now everywhere, with a wide range of designs and almost identical CPU performance. I think that more customers are looking forward to the launch of the Ayaneo Flip KB/DS or other handheld device.
Whoever wanted a handheld pc probably got it past 1 year so unless you’re collector there is little motivation to get this…
@@wafflicious359I feel like the main motivation for non-collectors would probably be that the slide is alot smaller than the "more popular" handheld gaming computers, with a big selling point being the screen tilt that gives you more flexibility on how you grip it.
That’s the best one they teased everything else look like a gimmick
The design of the GPD and the touch sensor is a big + for me.
And then the headphone jack. Lacking sucks on the slide. Bluetooth isn't an option for gaming
looks like vita 2 pro :D
More interested by the flip. But I'd love a modern gaming phone to be made with a sliding keyboard/controls.
Reminds me of the sony vaio mini handheld from 2006! that PC was painfully slow so good to see it re-invented!
That conclusion said it all and 100% agree with what you said that AYA are both a hardware and software company. They definitely took that stance for long enough so they need to be held accountable if now, they decide that fixing a software aspect such a refresh rate is not their "problem". Great video Taki, loved every second of it, thanks!
This one's what I was looking for.
dope review
I’m sure if it was easy to do, then these pc handheld companies would do it more often, but I wish we saw more bezeless screens like the Aya Neo 2 or maybe even just extremely small bezels like on the GPD Win Max 2.
I was waiting for him to mention VHS tapes when he kept mentioning cassettes because at least here in the US, that is exactly what most of our old VHS cases and tapes themselves looked like, hah! It's a great branding idea.
This looks like a awesome little device
Reminds me of The T-Mobile Sidekick from back in the day!!!
If this came out earlier, I would have gotten it instead of the Geek 1S. It all comes down to how much you value the keyboard, and hate on-screen keyboards.
It was interesting to see that the heat is around 50 degrees on both sides of the device as well. The geek 1s is mostly on the right side.
I like this. I didn't have the sidekick, which this definitely resembles, but I had a motorola droid. I wish the keyboard never went away.
So I used to have a sliding nokia with that spring loaded style of slide up motion. The problem was (and this is why I'm a little more hopeful for the longevity of the gpd win 4...) the stop or catch for the sliding screen snapped as a result of usage and caused the screen to quite literally fly off. Don't get me wrong it seems satisfying but my god that stopper needs to be bombproof....
The design really reminds me of those old MOGA controllers for phones. The color schemes are nearly identical, and the d-pads look similar enough.
I would love for them or some other company to make clamshell competitors to the GPD Win Mini.
they are
Very nice. I can't help but imagine how dual trackpads would be instead of the keyboard, though.
i love the look of the GPD Win 4 mainly because it looks so much like a PSP, now THAT is retro looking, i wish i held off to get it but rushed out to an Ally RoG Z1 extreme.
Still think the Ally is the better choice between these
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 yeah i agree, its more powerful too if you get the z1 extreme version that i have, its going to be pretty strong for the next 3 years i imagine.
I was interested in this but they took way too long to release and I wanted a 7 inch screen at the very least. I ordered a win mini instead and that seems to tick all the boxes. The next ayaneo product I'll consider is the pocket s if they don't take too long on that one before something else is announced.
the sidekick we are nostalgic about does a swivel open not a slide
They really went all out for retro with a VHS tape lol. The only retro look for me was the box.
I have the Win4 6800u and was looking forward to this in comparison to it, but i think its too late since the GPD Win Mini is retailing soon and i think that's a better device.
Price isnt really a factor where im from since we dont have a Steam Deck available locally and all resellers sells em at above ROG Ally Z1E pricing. So that pricing is a standard here, but for around that price - same also for the majority of other products - i will opt for a better product or at least a better package. But in all honesty, im just waiting on the next apu chip. Its not really an upgrade if you have a 7840u or Z1E. Appreciate the hands on impression on this as usual, TQ.
So the Steam Deck price is resold with a huge price increase, but niche products like GPD or Ayaneo retain the original price? Where do you live?
@@ctrl_x1770 Malaysia.
Not saying the chi-devices retain their prices, but the resellers dont mark up the prices that much. Usually abit more when you consider the addition of import taxes. Also on the plus side, we can directly order those thru indiegogo. When the original steam deck released, some resellers were marking up the 400dollars model up to 600dollars- and some people actually bought those.
Yes the tmobile sidekick is retro especially the first iteration. Kinda looks like a sega gamegear as well with the curves
no headphone jack is a deal breaker
I agree but I found a fix for mine. If you don't actively need 2 USB C ports at all times, you could just use a USB C to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter in one of the USB C ports. You would still have one left for charging. This is what I do with mine. Works great.
Not my kind of device but really glad we have so many options in the handheld market 👌
I'm surprised that Ayaneo is not advertising the dual USB4 ports more. I have been using the Legion Go as a desktop with my eGPU and I am wishing I had more RAM. The Ayaneo Slide 32GB would have been a better option for me for productivity.
I returned my legion GO and got one of these for this exact reason
@@OsoreShirazuwhen does yours arrive. The problem is these only have 60hz screens
Man i remember the days where all I wanted was the latest Sidekick. would save all my money for one. Sidekick LX. good ol days.
Yes the side kick is indeed retro. That shit was popular in 2005 my God I'm old
Awesome I’m making a Santa wish list.
Great review. What was the first game with the boat? (Sorry if people asked already 😅)
I absolutely love the design of the ayaneo slide, but i am very skeptical of the durability of the screen. I saw loose wires connecting to the screen when you were showing the mechanism.
I'm looking forward to the Flip DS. But this one does look nice
Absolutely Fam, Soon As It's In The 20 Year Plus Mark Its Retro Now. It's Like Asking Was A NES Considered Retro In In 03/06. Time Be Moving Fam 😭
Can't fault them for the packing presentation. I like the retro theming here.
I would love to buy this thing
But like it’s not out yet right? Isn’t it still just on pre-order on indiegogo?
The pricing isn't that bad when you consider that the ROG ally also costs 699 and the 512gb oled deck costs 549usd.
This is a more specialised product too. although probably less polished.
The problem for Ayaneo in Europe is, that in Europe all prices already include taxes. When you import a Ayaneo product, you have to add customs to the total price which - depending on the country you live in - makes it a lot more expensive than first anticipated.
So while a ROG Ally costs 678€ (including taxes), the cheapest Ayaneo Slide costs ~640€ plus (in my case) ~160€ taxes plus fix costs for customs handling.
Ayaneo should really have a sales platform that ships from within Europe to avoid all that.
the retail price is so much worse than the early bird price
@@neumi569 Try droix, I'm pretty sure they are located in London and sell handhelds from GPD, Ayaneo & ayn. Don't know if it's cheaper though as I am American.
Once we get localization of handhelds around US. The Chinese market would either get pushed out of the market or forced to lower prices to compete imo. Steamdeck is the best example of selling a product at a low price with all of the replacement parts readily available at a low cost, that's a very hard market to compete with
I was about to purchase the GPD win series but heard about the bad customer service support etc for a 800-1500$usd product.
I think it would have been better if the screen was facing towards the keyboard and only became visible when you opened it kinda like a Gameboy advance SP or an old flip phone.
for anyone curious, the floating design of the ayaneo slide screen is necessary to allow for that screen pivot when open, it's also why it uses that spring assisted click into place sliding mechanism to make sure you don't accidentally start pushing the screen closed when pivoting the screen, which wouldn't cause damage per se but would be annoying to happen.
Looks nice, but I'd still get the refreshed GPD Win 4. But the issue I have is the exorbitant cost. They're cool and all, but in the EU, the cheapest one I found was 1000€. Compared to the 400€ Steam Deck, that's a bit too much.
Amazing packaging
Eagerly waiting for the flip ds
The one thing I’d love the Steam Deck to have is a physical keyboard. I wouldn’t mind a slide design.
Just plug one in
Same. Put me down for a Steam Deck with a slide out keyboard design. I'm sorry, but I can't trust these OEMs. They really have a poor history of support.
@@AverageUser-yeah that's definitely the same. Carrying a whole ass keyboard like an idiot.
We always get excited for these new handhelds just to continue playing the same games we’ve been playing. I like the increase horsepower of the slide. But I have an Aya Neo 2 fully maxed out with an 8 Tb M.2 SSD. Will my gameplay experience change all that much with the Slide?
You're definitely older than you think you are. As a 36 year old who owned two Sidekick 3's (not even the Slide that came out later), these kids today think that tech is retro.
I'm 18 and I don't even know what a sidekick is
@@gumiho_celestethe sidekick came out back when smartphones weren’t really smart and the iPhone hadn’t set the precedent of what a smartphone could be. The sidekick was the most successful IMO “smart” phone until the iPhone took over
@@gumiho_celeste like a blackberry for kids
I need that damn clamshell DS PC
I’m 26 and consider the sidekick retro . Even years after it was phased out I got one just for the nostalgia
what were the games he was playing earlier ? They looked iteresting
I think this is the best size for me. Hope everyone follow this trend to make 6 or maximum 7 inch display. Just move to 1:1 controller size for better ergonomic.
I like the industrial design, just hard to justify the price when there are so many options out there
That articulated screen would help me with wrist/hand numbness. When I hold handhelds while laying down it causes my elbow and wrist to pinch my blood.
These Aya Neos look pretty clean but I can't convince myself to get something with no official store page like the Deck or Ally/GO at Best Buy
Before the t mobile sidekick reminds me of a Nokia phone post the Communicator era. And a certain Sony Vaio.
You should've compared it to the win mini, because of the keyboard and the screen angle
Not bad, currently looking to get a Legion Go and want to see if I can do a 32GB RAM mod, not sure if I want to bite on the 32GB Slide. They should paint the springs to match the color if the case tho. Edit: No 3.5 jack? pass. Very bad decision!
Hopefully someone made better dpads for the Go.
Why does Aya refuse to support high refresh rate displays? Seems like everyone is jumping on that, even Valve with the 90hz on the OLED deck. Once you use high refresh rate displays it's really hard to go back. And honestly it's not even about gaming, but even navigating interface and UI within windows. IT's just a smoother and more premium/pleasant experience.
Exactly I’m not going back to 60hz anytime soon
Looks like the old 1991 Sega Game gear! Juat added 4 buttons instead of the 2 but the shape is exactly the same! Looks pretty good! I still have an OG game gear with the top slide in tv module amd long TV antenna lol
White one is just a PSP shell with a slide screen and keyboard!
No headphone jack is a dealbreaker, what were they thinking..
The third position is inspired by the Nokia N97. AYANEO featured it during the announcement
Not having a headphone jack is a huge loss
Anything 20 yrs old is vintage or retro, but I would argue tech products are throwbacks after less time.
When sidekicks were first popular in the early 00s, using AIM or yahoo messenger on the device was a new, cool thing. Definitely a throwback nowadays.
Cell phones design sensibility is also a special case. Most devices essentially look the same as one another anymore so anything from the past that looks different than a rectangular slab feels like a "retro" design throwback.
Another way to think about vintage-ness is to think about what experience with the device a young adult today might have had. A 20 year old in 2023 might only have memories of a sidekick if their older siblings had a later model in 2010-ish!
I just need solid state battery to make its way for the masses in handheld
80-90whr with this formfactor and ryzen 7840u shud be perfect for 4-5hour gaming otg
The tmobile sidekick was a proto smartphone. I think any phone that came out before the original iphone is a "classic" in my mind.
ayaneo could cover the spring on the back of the LED, or just paint the spring to black.
I wanted this over the gpd 4, but the joysticks are a deal breaker. Damn it!
What is wrong with the joysticks? They are hall sensor
@@datageekz8446 they're smaller, like the switch sticks, and seem quite sensetivr even when lowering the sensetivity. I prefer full size joysticks and don't even use Joycons on the Nintendo switch
Same man. I absolutely hate the off-placement of the right joystick, causing my hand to cramp up with my thumb reaching so far down for shooters. I would’ve bought this device immediately if they prioritized the joysticks for accuracy & shooters
I thought 'Sidekick" as soon as I saw it. Maybe I'm old too. I used to have one.
I don't really care for the retro aspect the device is supposed to have, on the contrary. But the VHS style box looks cool. A Jack connector would have been cool, right now I'm looking into finding a decent USB-C headset that's focused on music reproduction and not on communication.
Hey man, what was the first game you were playing in this video?
Do you know anything about the possible date of pocket dmg?
I'm not a big fan of the exposed metal wires sticking out of the back. I doubt that is going to last for a long time from regular use.
Waiting for the double screen one
I can't find the gpd win 4 that has the 7840U did they get sold out or something
Really interesting, in real time, to see the, ergonomics of these things get refined. In the end, it's you humans who use these things. Also, minor nerd cred (old) for the random c-cassette.
Just a sort of improvement, I wonder if you could include the 3Dmark benchmark (etc) scores of similar devices you've tested. 2896 doesn't really mean much.
What game is Taki playing at the start of the video?
Do you know anything about AyaNeo OS? Are they still working on it or they gave up on that idea? They promised it will be released this year...
I saw it in person in 2022. It looked like it was done at that point. They went back to the drawing board after that and it's dead/in development hell.
They made a "retro-handheld" without a headphone jack? Good job AYANEO.
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They went all the way back when movies have no audio.
1. Is the visible cables at the back when opened up due to being a prototype or something?
The "wiggleness" of the screen when closed would be irritating to me as well.
2. Is there a dedicated button or a way to map a button to xbox guide/steam menu button? Not talking about win+g which open up the gamebar, but a button that can be used as steam menu button when in big picture.
Really miss that and a 40Hz mode on my air plus.
And i hope they separate game library portion of aya space 2 from the tdp/controller configuration tool similar to the design of AYN 's LCC.
Aya space 2 take as long if not longer to launch counting from after entering windows than my entire Odin 2 from fresh boot. 😂😂
Best to wait for a refresh/new SKU next year with updated chip, can monitor for hinges/sliding mechanism issue as well.
Guys help me choose, should I go ROG ally or the slide. I’m leaning more towards the slide, but I just saw there’s no back buttons. Plus I think Asus will support the hardware longer
no headphone jack? good lord
I agree - that’s my deal breaker.
Was interested, but the exclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack killed it for me. Clicked out at the mention of that. Loved my Win 4. Oh well.
I hope it is more sturdy on the final product
The T-mobile Sidekick came out 20 years ago Taki, we're just old.
Do you think 32gb of ram is over kill? I’m thinking of getting a win4 but 16gb of ram idk what to get 32 or 16
I dont know if this will happen with windows pushing arm chips to desktop machines but as long as battery isnt lasts long handhelds are always going to feel unfinished to me.
I think the design is much more reminiscent of the Google G1 (first android handset on T-Mobile). The slide and click seems almost identical. I never had a sidekick, so I'm probably a bit biased.