Portable Smoke Machine for Cosplay and Props!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Adam and Norm unbox the Smoke Genie portable fog machine, a handheld device that puts out a surprising amount of haze and thick fog for photography and filmmaking. This production unit shows refinement from a 3D printed prototype we previously tested, and Adam shows how this example of miniaturization in practical effects technology can be an awesome tool for prop makers and cosplayers.
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Thanks for watching! - Věda a technologie
Hey Norm and Adam! Seems like we have survived the drop test! :D
Also, we are aware of the "Vape Mod" in the comments section, we'd be happy to give some context here!
1) Our tank is designed to make continuous smoke of over 60 seconds, without pausing in between.
2) Our heating coil can last 3-6 months of regular use without needing a replacement.
Currently no Vape tanks in market can do any continuous smoke over 15 seconds, even if you mod it. It won't work without burning the coil.
That's why we built our tank from the ground up, and mass produced it ourselves. the Development video is on our kickstarter!
Anyways, so happy to see you guys enjoy using the SmokeGENIE in your work! Looking forward to the future content ideas!
This gives me the thought that the biggest remaining improvement would be to eliminate the noise. Perhaps a smaller silent motor that actuates a pair of syringes so that one is constantly drawing smoke, and the other is expelling it.
"1) Our tank is designed to make continuous smoke of over 60 seconds, without pausing in between.
2) Our heating coil can last 3-6 months of regular use without needing a replacement."
Both are easy to achieve with little effort.
@@xzendon The noise isn't a fluid pump, it's for air, not sure why they don't just use a fan.
czcams.com/video/emGJF1PzQjs/video.html
"Currently no Vape tanks in market can do any continuous smoke over 15 seconds,"
Yet from your own page "DO NOT spray smoke beyond 10 second bursts in the highest intensity."
@@mfx1 so make one of your own.
Oh cool there is someone in the room besides Adam, he did a good job the past two years doing everything solo but it's nice to see the classic tested back with a camera person also!
It has been like this for a long time.
I prefer just him. The rest of the crew is cringe.
The remote is a game changer. Nice distraction techique.
omg could you imagine a devil or even death cosplay with that thing holy cow. like have it on the calf of your costume pointing down with a switch for when your walking you can leave smoking footprints...
That is a great idea.
1:55 Adam’s like, “It has to be a least a couple thou’ shorter than the prototype” 🤣
That's basically a "mod" style vape rig with a fan built in! I had a roommate that was deep in the vape mod rabbit hole, with the same batteries and similar digital display screens. I had a thought about using them for something like this, but didn't have the means to put it into practice 🙃
Hey thanks for the comment! Yea the basic idea itself is very simple, up till the point when you want to make continuous smoke. That's when the RnD journey starts to go Berserk (where we were 4 years ago.)
No vape technology can do continuous output of useable smoke for over 15 seconds. Even if you rig it. The heating coil will burn.
Our chamber is the only design in the market that you can run for minutes until the tank is empty. This is something we are still quite proud of after all the breakthroughs we made.
Things start getting really difficult when industrial design, fail safe mechanisms and mass production was involved. All of that aside, we are still DIY Makers at heart though, and we always encourage others to have fun with DIY if it's not their professional work.
You should challenge yourself someday and try to put something to market! It's a reward experience in many ways.
@@pmi_gear I appreciate the words of encouragement, thank you!
The issues you described were certainly part of what stopped me dead, as my knowledge was second hand, and my focus at the time was the in school portion of my auto mechanic apprenticeship. I didn't have any brain left for extra knowledge at the time, lol
That being said, I have rediscovered this channel and the one day builds, which are setting the cogs in motion again. Who knows, maybe one day I'll have something on this channel!
Same here! I wanted to quit vaping, as I had already quit smoking, but I really liked the “smoke” part of it all. I kept thinking “if I could just have a vape with a fan I could get the smoke, without having to inhale it.
I ended up quitting vapes a while back, and now I just bought an “insect fogger” that uses propane and mineral/baby oil to make fog. It produces fog at a rate more akin to a stage style fog machine. Well see how it works. It was only about $60. Much cheaper.
@@pmi_gear OK so what EXACTLY about your tank design makes it so special? This information can't be secret as you've patented it and by definition patents are in the public domain but it seems to be virtually impossible to find any details of your patent at all.
@@mfx1 Hey Martin
Actually, our patent number is laser etched on the bottom of every chamber we ship, so all customers are free to look up and study the technology behind the chamber design.
We saw your other comments in many replies. Honestly, from your comments we can’t tell if you are trying to say A) our chamber is made/copied from store bought parts, or B) you can easily replicate our achievements. Certainly we are not going to doubt your abilities, so we will just focus on A.
Let’s just start with some common grounds here. Nothing is going to deviate from the concept that we are using a heating unit to vaporise a mixture of PG / VG formula (you made this whole other point confusing between what makes an “ingredient” and what makes a “base”, but that’s besides the point.)
The meaningful difference begins when you try to design the method how the fuel gets fed to the heating coil, according to different power levels of the coil output. If the rate of flow is too slow, you get a burnt coil. If the rate of flow is too fast, you start spraying unreasonable amounts of liquid. Either way that’s a fire hazard on set.
It took us 4 years to design a solution into the chamber that could dynamically adjust the flow of liquid according to variable power modes, for long periods of time (minimum of 30 seconds).
This allows us to offer “continuous modes” on 3 different regular intensities that can go on until the tank runs dry, plus two extra high intensities that you can do on short bursts. This concept is part of the patent we have secured and published in CPO, and also ongoing for our international patent.
(There is a second patent we have that has to do with our airflow, but that’s also besides the point.)
You tried to used that to say we are inconsistent, but as others have point out, you missed the fact that we are talking about continuous modes on our default settings (power levels 1,2 and 3). Levels 4 and 5 are burst modes that will trigger a time out.
These information are included on our user manual, which users can freely access and download on our product webpage.
To conclude, if you think any store bought vape tank designs can make continuous spray on varying power levels, you are welcome to try and make our offering obsolete. As makers ourselves, we respect well-designed engineering over anything else.
Loved seeing the wheels turning in both their heads. Take a couple seconds to appreciate how cool the device is, and already thinking ahead to what can I do with this?
2:34 I tend to leave on the sticker layer on as a scratch protector, & it makes me think it last longer that way. :)
Absolutely, the sticker takes the first couple of hits guilt free whilst you're getting used to your new piece of kit
Yea, and when you peel off the protection you get a nice new clear screen. Lol
"Everything is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough" --every theater or av tech ever.
>>magic
What a lovely little device. Can think of all kinds of uses. Thanks, Adam & Norm for that fun demo, thanks Joey for great videography & editing.
It's awesome to see you get back to filming with a crew. Thanks so much for putting up with all the hassle of filming yourself Adam, but I'm really looking forward to the direction you'll be able to take things now that you have those resources again!
Ok, talking about the cost of this unit, Norm says, "previously, when you had to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars..." and yet, even the "basic" kit here costs - wait for it - hundreds and hundreds of dollars! It's undeniably cool - and it's great that there's a remote and a tripod mount - but it's still a significant investment, the "basic" kit going for nearly $500 (which doesn't include batteries) plus shipping.
I am a long time fan...I love when Adam and Norm are together! Great chemistry...would love to see more videos like this one!!! You guys really are awesome together! Keep up the great work and I promise to keep watching!!! Steve from Chicago
Smoke is great, it made me thing about a joke we did on a college when he was testing a new PCB design. We put some straws under the PCB and another college blow some cigarette smoke. The panic was hylarius.
Always like to see when both parts of the Tested channel come together.
Plus I have small remote control with 4 buttons and they are set on different smoke make. From full power to really small amount smoke like barley smoke. I like it.
That is an interesting juice mix. Normally you would have to run the fog through a chiller to get it to cling to the floor for that long. Very cool!
Ah, that looks so cool! Basic version is still out of my price range, but hopefully it'll come down in a few years' time, or I'll be able to afford it.
You can look at the MicroFogger, which starts at $140 USD. The previous version was reviewed by InCamera here: czcams.com/video/kIxM-PW4rJ8/video.html
It's obviously smaller and lower capacity than the Smoke Genie, but it's a lot cheaper and you can use a remote control either via the $30 dongle/remote or $190 higher-end unit.
Come on. All that crap easily accessible from AliExpress for up to 50$. Vape tank and battery holder, simple air compressor and run’n’gun
@@guspaz the deal breaker about microfogger is the battery. It charges for like 6 hours to get like 15 minutes, and if the battery breaks your machine is toast. You’ll probably need to buy a new one every 6 months
So happy to see Norm and Adam together! They did good solo videos. but it is just great to have them do a show and tell!
gosh this makes life so much easier for those of us with freaky props n cosplays!! im so excited!
Oh good. I was literally looking some info for this earlier today. Glad you guys are talking about this.
I want one! I have no practical use for it, but I WANT ONE! 😸
This is awesome!! ive made units like this from scratch before for cosplay, but having a product actually machined that can be ordered instead of spending days on designing and hand cobbling one together is so great
That being said, it is well out of my price range and ill stick to making my own
Very nice machine! I was actually tinkering with making a handheld smoke machine myself to use in a physics lab setting at a high school. We do have a standard mains powered one, but we don't always need to have so much, or wanna be able to direct it better.
Totally with you on removing the protective film on plastics. Bugs me when people don't remove the film. I've had some people leave it on so long that it's bonded to the display. You can barely read the display through the haze. Removing the film is the ceremony of claiming the device belongs to you.
Ha ha! I always have a big internal struggle about it.
I really want to see what the actual limits are for the machine. Like can you build a literal smoking jacket and have multiple tubes spreading the smoke out within the jacket?
Thanks for asking! We actually did something similar for a music concert: the lead singer wore a harness and had smoke came out of her costume the whole song. We had that in a post on our instagram account!
@@pmi_gear is it possible to get different colored smoke with this machine?
@@pmi_gear Bit of a late response. What's the possibility of attaching a hose or whatever to the top and making it go for example all the way up to a mask, would the hose need to be a special one for something like that?
Great for visualizing air flows! Potentially very useful for locating leaks in air ducts, and for air leaks in building enclosures. Since green building standards (and even codes in some areas) now require that houses actually be tested to measure air leakage (no more drafts!), this tool would be a great help to energy raters and other home performance and building forensic professionals.
There's already products for that specific task, at a fraction of the cost.
@@thomasbecker9676 Yes. But they don't work well, and they don't work reliably. They drip, they leak, they don't have enough force to get the "smoke" to the right location. (Ask me why I know this-especially the leaks that happen when you bring them on airplanes and the cabin and/or cargo hold pressure changes!) This device would be a big improvement, at less than 50% of the cost of the current device used to track airflow in labs and other critical environments. $500 is expensive compared to "the dragon puffer" and the "industrial" grade version of that toy-grade device... but very inexpensive compared to the $1,000+ cost of a similarly reliable and versatile device used in evaluating lab flow hood and biosafety cabinets.
@@LewHarriman Yeah, I doubt that industry would adopt this.
@@LewHarriman that’s a cool thing to know! Thank you for valuable industry insights! We would be happy to explore how to serve this market better.
Hi Adam!
When he dropped it, I felt like I was watching Linus tech tips.
The way he whips things around at full speed without being careful, like he was doing with the arm when it was attached, is very Linus-like.
Why, do you think Tested is being paid to give it a good review?
The SmokeGENIE is not yet available at Lttstore
Would be cool tho
@@thomasbecker9676 haha
There is also the microfogger 5 pro which is quite nice too ! 😀😊
That's pretty cool.
I have one just yesterday received. And it is pretty small and new model. Just no additional attachments.
this would be so cool for Boba Fetts Jetpack :)
So cool!
Watching this whilst waiting for the livestream . Cool AF guys 😎
I use model train smoke oil, I don’t have to inhale it and it makes a really good cloud. For blank firing guns a few drops along the barrel means after your first burst smoke is ripping off like that scene in Saving Private Ryan.
This is literally a vape mod with a built in fan. I dig it! Anyone who vapes would be using this like a natural. Hell, anyone who vapes and does photography has already used their mod for smoke effects.
I've always used a model boat smoke generator. It's small, runs off battery and uses sewing machine oil. It even smells like real smoke.
I used to add a bit of Eucalyptus oil, get for fires in model railroad scenery in set in Oz. Timber Tramways etc.
Pretty neat.
As a magician and prop builder I am always on the look out for smoke devices. This one seems pretty robust due to the size. (I have access to a few that are smaller with similar output for stage use.)
I made a portable system for my wife's Scarlet Witch costume. The smoke comes out of her sleeves and is back lit to make it look like her chaos magic. The triggers are in her boots , one controls the fan and leds the other the smoke. ;)
The amount of 'dude's in this, you know Adam is giddy.
That's awesome! I wonder if they could make a smaller version that has the batteries and control in a separate pack with a thin cable going to the emitter assembly. That would open up an entire other world of possibilities!
This does seem like an awesome product. Reliability and versatility means a lot when doing any kind of production, vapes will not give you either of those.
"vapes will not give you either of those." Done properly they will, I used one for a genie lamp on a panto run with no issues.
czcams.com/video/emGJF1PzQjs/video.html
I wanted Adam to blow the smoke off the table so Norm would say "Adam!"
I have a flute, made in Japan late 70s. Tthe case has a label still covered over.
When I bought it I just dint have the heart to take it off if its been on almost 42 years.
Use it on the D.r Strange costume. Run a tube through your arm so that it looks like the steam is coming of your hands. Then maybe find a way to color the steam with lightning? It would look awesome
In a commercial space, I've set off smoke detectors even with small units, so be careful...make sure you don't set off your smoke alarms, causing the fire department to show up.
...or on a theater stage - always tell the techies that you are using smoke or someone will panic during your show and run to turn the alarm off before it gets to be expensive.
Peter McKinnon is gonna love this.
Ideal for a gost rider cosplay
That’s a smart design, and I want one 👍
Great content, as always. One thing that I noticed though is the audio compression is very crunchy today. Either bad mic placement or something else is going on. It sounds pretty bad in places.
The taped shut ghost trap is in itself hysterical
Norm Chan is the best name I've ever hear in my entire life haha yes!
Norm seemed a little freaked out to have camera men working cameras for him again.
I have to get one of these for model kit photography. This is perfect!
O.... M.... G.... My ideas for Halloween this year.... Girlfriend got me a video projector and now this.... Too many ideas not enough time to write them all down. Wow
This is very cool, and certainly more than just a vape mod, but it's feels like it's much more intended for theatre or photography than for cosplay. Sure, there are ways to make it work, but it's not intended to be integrated into a costume or prop's control system.
As a droid builder, my first thought was "R5-D4 bad motivator!" But my second thought was "Nope." For the droid, I need something that I can trigger using the DROID's remote control in conjunction with the rest of the routine, which basically means something I can activate with either a servo or an Arduino-type microcontroller. Being able to run it off the existing battery would be convenient, and of course the protective carrying case isn't needed if it's all inside the droid.
This is still a great thing to have exist, and I hope it does well enough that PMI or someone like them decides to offer a "just the guts" version for those of us who want to stuff it inside other devices.
Anyone who vapes saw that smoke sit on the table and immediately thought “DO A TORNADO!”
Adam, I am getting into cosplay and I want to make feathers, I've seen ones made out of paper, and some out of foam but I been told the Best is fur? Would you talk about making feathers and what is the best material to use?
Love the Show!!
Cool video. Does the smoke have an odor? Is it okay to breathe?
There's really no particulate matter that's safe to breathe.
Finally they review a vape
i shoved the guts of a full size party shop fog machine into a nerf gatling gun. hooked it to a small 12v on an inverter that i carried in a bag. it didn't have enough power to get the machien started, but you could warm it up at a wall outlet and then have enough juice to keep it going for a bit.
this almost like my vape, which makes sense considering its the same tech with an added fan. very nice use of a preexisting tech thats been repurposed.
The entire time I'm watching this, I'm thinking of how to implement it into a suit to cosplay the Phantasm from "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm".
the two Cosplays I think of with a Portable Smoke Machine are the Phantasm from Batman Mask of the Phantasm and The Foot Elite from TMNT 2003.
5:09 the money shot
inverted vape with a blower, nice gadget
Might be fun walking around as a smoke surrounded Blackbeard.
Nice to see Adam opting for a budget version of another way to get escorted out of a convention. (That's sarcasm, the basic kit without a battery is almost $500)
should do one on the poi/flow arts accessories.
Do they have different smoke formulations for different desired traits?
It'd be nice if it had a contact closure input. So you could wire it to a physical switch or use a microcontroller to control it. I guess you could hack it and PWM the fan and heating elements.
Any idea how long this can run??
I'm working on a Spirit Blossom Riven and would love to add fog to my sword
2:40 savour the peelies
Would be nice if they just made a version with the 510 thread instead of a battery box so we could make it fit any form factor.
I don’t need one. But, I WANT ONE!
pretty cool that fan is a bit loud.
when we needed smoke for a high school production in the 1980s we timed how long a cold toaster took to burn some toast and started it at a set point in the script so it burnt on cue .
then 2 mins later you would hear whispers go through the audience when they smelt the smoke and started laughing!
Was the fan as loud as it seems in your video?
what is the best Refill brand i can buy if my 100ml Refill Cloud Formula run out ?
@ 7:12 Tell me I'm not the only one that instinctively put their hands up to their face Kevin McCallister style.
I suspect that we'll also find these in tents at burning man 🤣
Oh dude. Fill it with hash oil and we're good to go. OK, just kidding. It is a super cool product but still a bit big to build into many cosplay costumes, especially for the ladies, who often wear very form-fitting armor and prosthetics. A custom vape mod is still the best way to go, at least for the moment. Nice to see Norm again.
Vapers: "heavy breathing"
"Make it blow smoke wherever you want"
*immediately moves it to butt level
I’d forgot about Norm!
What are you with the Smoke in the place
“Had to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollar previously” promotes $460 base kit
Live in small town Western Australia how would I go about purchasing one of these smoke machines please
Does it have a pulse option?
This would be much more useful for cosplay if the battery pack was connected to the fan/smoke generator unit by a standardized cable that could be easily swapped out.
What happened to the suit from "The Martian?"
I like the ones from Wasteland Industries. Very small, light and a lot cheaper
I'm reminded of a scene from Beetlejuice where his clothes are smoking. Although I could also see something like this with a dragon costume.
All smoke machines are vapes but not all vapes are smoke machines
Do you think this could be attached to my boot so it billows out from underneath my costume?
The MicroFogger 2 is a cheaper alternative at $160, the one in the video is about $350, and the one Adam alluded to that is the industry standard micro fog machine called the Tiny S/Tiny FX is like he said about $1000. These are all basically just high end vape units with pumps to push out the smoke, and the MicroFogger 2 does this at a fantastic price point…
Microfogger can't do half the smoke of what this does, and can only make like 5-10 seconds of smoke each time. Also the batteries die all the time.
I'm currently looking to do a pumpkin for Halloween based on the marvel villain Jack-o'-lantern, and this may actually be perfect
And then I found out the price and had a coronary
I'm totally that person who waits to peel the film from new products.